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articles		 Importance
Top High Mid Low None Total
Quality
Featured article FA 5 6 10 5 26
A 1 1
Good article GA 5 4 16 8 33
B 29 166 254 290 739
Start 17 302 1543 5412 1 7275
Stub 29 817 11887 5 12738
List 10 73 359 442
Assessed 57 517 2713 17961 6 21254
Unassessed 2 1 7 10
Total 57 519 2714 17961 13 21264

Welcome to the assessment department of the Ireland WikiProject! This department focuses on assessing the quality of Wikipedia's articles related to Ireland. While much of the work is done in conjunction with the WP:1.0 program, the article ratings are also used within the project itself to aid in recognizing excellent contributions and identifying topics in need of further work.

The ratings are done in a distributed fashion through parameters in the {{WikiProject Ireland}} project banner; this causes the articles to be placed in the appropriate sub-categories of Category:Ireland articles by quality and Category:Ireland articles by importance, which serves as the foundation for an automatically generated worklist.

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[edit] Frequently asked questions

How can I get my article rated? 
Please list it in the section for assessment requests below.
Who can assess articles? 
Any member of the Ireland WikiProject is free to add or change the rating of an article.
Why didn't the reviewer leave any comments? 
Unfortunately, due to the volume of articles that need to be assessed, we are unable to leave detailed comments in most cases. If you have particular questions, you might ask the person who assessed the article; they will usually be happy to provide you with their reasoning.
What if I don't agree with a rating? 
You can list it in the section for assessment requests below, and someone will take a look at it. Alternately, you can ask any member of the project to rate the article again.
Aren't the ratings subjective? 
Yes, they are, but it's the best system we've been able to devise; if you have a better idea, please don't hesitate to let us know!

If you have any other questions not listed here, please feel free to ask them on the discussion page for this department.

[edit] Instructions

[edit] Quality assessments

An article's quality assessment is generated from the class parameter in the {{WikiProject Ireland}} project banner on its talk page:

{{WikiProject Ireland| ... | class=??? | ...}}
Featured article FA
A
Good article GA
B
Start
Stub
???
Needed

The following values may be used for the class parameter to describe the quality of the article:


Template
Disambig
Category
List
NA

For pages that are not articles, the following values can also be used for the class parameter:

Articles for which a valid class is not provided are listed in Category:Unassessed Ireland articles. The class should be assigned according to the quality scale below.

After assessing an article's quality, comments on the assessment can be added either to the article's talk page or to the /Comments subpage which will appear as a link next to the assessment. Adding comments will add the article to Category:Ireland articles with comments. Comments that are added to the /Comments subpages will be transcluded onto the automatically generated work list pages in the Comments column.

When a "yes" is inserted into the "image-needed'" parameter the page will be listed in Category:Ireland articles needing images.

[edit] Quality scale

Article progress grading scheme [  v • d • e  ]
Label Criteria Reader's experience Editor's experience Example
Featured article FA
{{FA-Class}}		 Reserved exclusively for articles that have received "Featured article" status, and meet the current criteria for featured articles. Definitive. Outstanding, thorough article; a great source for encyclopedic information. No further additions are necessary unless new published information has come to light, but further improvements to the text are often possible. Tourette Syndrome (as of July 2007)
Featured list FL
{{FL-Class}}		 Reserved exclusively for articles that have received "Featured lists" status, and meet the current criteria for featured lists. Definitive. Outstanding, thorough list; a great source for encyclopedic information. No further additions are necessary unless new published information has come to light, but further improvements to the text are often possible. FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (as of January 2008)
A
{{A-Class}}		 Provides a well-written, reasonably clear and complete description of the topic, as described in How to write a great article. It should be of a length suitable for the subject, with a well-written introduction and an appropriate series of headings to break up the content. It should have sufficient external literature references, preferably from reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy (peer-reviewed where appropriate). Should be well illustrated, with no copyright problems. At the stage where it could at least be considered for featured article status, corresponds to the "Wikipedia 1.0" standard. Very useful to readers. A fairly complete treatment of the subject. A non-expert in the subject matter would typically find nothing wanting. May miss a few relevant points. Minor edits and adjustments would improve the article, particularly if brought to bear by a subject-matter expert. In particular, issues of breadth, completeness, and balance may need work. Peer-review would be helpful at this stage. Durian (as of March 2007)
Good article GA
{{GA-Class}}		 The article has passed through the Good article nomination process and been granted GA status, meeting the good article standards. This should be used for articles that still need some work to reach featured article standards, but that are otherwise acceptable. Good articles that may succeed in FAC should be considered A-Class articles, but having completed the Good article designation process is not a requirement for A-Class. Useful to nearly all readers. A good treatment of the subject. No obvious problems, gaps, or excessive information. Adequate for most purposes, but other encyclopedias could do a better job. Some editing will clearly be helpful, but not necessary for a good reader experience. If the article is not already fully wikified, now is the time. International Space Station (as of February 2007)
B
{{B-Class}}		 Commonly the highest article grade that is assigned outside a more formal review process. Has several of the elements described in "start", usually a majority of the material needed for a comprehensive article. Nonetheless, it has some gaps or missing elements or references, needs editing for language usage or clarity, balance of content, or contains other policy problems such as copyright, Neutral Point Of View (NPOV) or No Original Research (NOR). With NPOV a well written B-class may correspond to the "Wikipedia 0.5" or "usable" standard. Articles that are close to GA status but don't meet the Good article criteria should be B- or Start-class articles. Useful to many, but not all, readers. A casual reader flipping through articles would feel that they generally understood the topic, but a serious student or researcher trying to use the material would have trouble doing so, or would risk error in derivative work. Considerable editing is still needed, including filling in some important gaps or correcting significant policy errors. Articles for which cleanup is needed will typically have this designation to start with. Jammu and Kashmir (as of October 2007) has a lot of helpful material but needs more prose content and references.
Start
{{Start-Class}}		 The article has a meaningful amount of good content, but it is still weak in many areas, and may lack a key element. For example an article on Africa might cover the geography well, but be weak on history and culture. Has at least one serious element of gathered materials, including any one of the following:
  • a particularly useful picture or graphic
  • multiple links that help explain or illustrate the topic
  • a subheading that fully treats an element of the topic
  • multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article
 Useful to some, provides a moderate amount of information, but many readers will need to find additional sources of information. The article clearly needs to be expanded. Substantial/major editing is needed, most material for a complete article needs to be added. This article still needs to be completed, so an article cleanup tag is inappropriate at this stage. Real analysis (as of November 2006)
Stub
{{Stub-Class}}		 The article is either a very short article or a rough collection of information that will need much work to bring it to A-Class level. It is usually very short, but can be of any length if the material is irrelevant or incomprehensible. Possibly useful to someone who has no idea what the term meant. May be useless to a reader only passingly familiar with the term. At best a brief, informed dictionary definition. Any editing or additional material can be helpful. Coffee table book (as of July 2005)


[edit] Importance assessment

An article's importance assessment is generated from the importance parameter in the {{WikiProject Ireland}} project banner on its talk page:

{{WikiProject Ireland| ... | importance=??? | ...}}
Top
High
Mid
Low
???

The following values may be used for importance assessments:

[edit] Importance scale

The assessment team have developed some criteria specific to Irish articles as guidelines for deciding the importance of articles being assessed. Different criteria tables have been created for different topic groups as shown below.

Article importance grading scheme guidelines
Label Criteria General Irish biographies' Historic figures, presidents, politicians Entertainers Sports people
Top High probability that non-Historians would look this up. Limited to the top 5–10 biographies. Must have had a large impact outside of their main discipline, across several generations, and in the majority of the world. For instance, Joyce, affected people in many other countries besides Ireland and for several generations. Members should not give this rating to any biography without first getting Project approval from the other members. James Joyce Eamon de Valera U2 Barry McGuigan
High Must have had a large impact in their main discipline, across a couple of generations. Had some impact outside their country of origin. Robert Boyle Garrett Fitzgerald Rory Gallagher Roy Keane
Mid Important in their discipline. Bram Stoker Pat Rabbitte Neil Jordan Stephen Roche
Low Subject is notable in their main discipline. Henry Kelly Edward Guinness Ciaran Bourke Peter Lawrie
Article importance grading scheme guidelines
Label Criteria Cities, towns and villages Mountains, Lakes and Rivers Roads Public Transport
Top High probability that general readers outside Ireland would look this up. Well known outside the country and important in the life and history of Ireland. Members should not give this rating to any biography without first getting Project approval from the other members. Dublin River Shannon The M50 Ryanair
High Regarded as very important within the country, perhaps not well known abroad.

Counties or County Towns.

 Sligo Lough Ree The N7 road Dublin Bus
Mid Local or regional importance in Ireland. Towns with over 10,000 people which are not officially Cities or County Towns. Lower importance national roads. Bray River Suck The N62 Luas
Low Towns and villages of importance within a county or even just a locality. Geographical features that would be well known to people with an interest in the topic only. Regional and local roads. Dungarvan Sugarloaf, west Wicklow The R747 Abbeyshrule

[edit] Requesting an assessment

If you have made significant changes to an article and would like an outside opinion on a new rating for it, please feel free to list it below.

Archived requests


  • Ballykinler Could someone please review this article. I have added some information and belive it may now be upgraded from a stub article. GDD1000 (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Updated assessment to Start-class but, references need fixing. they should not be incline links to external sites, but proper references that show up in the reference section - some are rather dubious as verifiable sources. ww2censor (talk) 20:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I have added two pictures to the site for further reviewing. If you'd be kind enough to let me know which links you think are dubious I will do some more work on it. I am currently in the process of tidying up the references as requested. I am a new user and wasn't aware of this until today - my apologies.GDD1000 (talk) 17:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Mullinavat I have put alot of work into improving this article. adding areas on economy and enhancing those on traansport. I also cleaned up the history section. I think i should be moved up from a starter wiki . Please review it!
    • It's already assessed as Start/Low and that is about right. It certainly is not a B-class. Needs delinking of non-full dates and common and duplicate words per WP:MOS. Several words are capitalised that should not be. Decent job though. ww2censor (talk) 02:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Frank Harte - I have given a lot of information from a variety of sources on this man who is revered by many traditional singers and surely should be rated highly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seamasmac (talk • contribs) 07:54, May 17, 2008
    • Already assessed as start/low. ww2censor (talk) 20:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
  • North West 200 The North West is one of the largest tourist attractions in Ireland. Should it not be rated higher because of this?
  • "Brown Eyed Girl" article was rated as stubclass by SeoR with WikiProject Ireland on April 22, 2008 when it already had been rated previously by WikiProject Songs and WikiProject Northern Ireland as "start". The article contained much information plus an infobox with Image, audio sample, 26 references and almost 12,000 bytes when it was demoted, so to speak. I'm also a little amazed at the low importance level given the song (perhaps one of the most popular and played songs in of the last 40 years- in the US at least) and it is also in the Grammy Hall of Fame, but I don't know what criteria is used for rating importance in Ireland. Will someone please review it again and check over all the ratings given the Van Morrison articles already by SeoR. Note the album, Wavelength given a rating of B-class. — I'm not saying that's wrong but it makes the stub-class "Brown Eyed Girl" rating a little more inexplicable. The album Astral Weeks rated #19 by Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Albums of All Time and also in Grammy Hall of Fame is also rated as "low importance" (?) Thanks, Agadant (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC) From acclaimedmusic.net: many listings with the album Astral Weeks in the best of album categories. - [1]
Additional information: For comparison to Stub-class rating of "Brown Eyed Girl", here are some articles that are rated as Start-class — (Davy Francis and Francis Harold) -Agadant (talk) 20:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I'll answer for a start, and on the general point first. There are a huge number of Van Morrison articles, including what seems to be one on every song. I believe myself that this is out of line with WP and general encyclopedic norms (most songs should probably be discussed in more general articles) but as I am firmly of the inclusionest persuasion, I have not marked for deletion, but rated what I find. The ratings for WP Ireland are based on the importance to the topic Ireland, and in that regard, I suspect almost all songs, albums, etc, are Low - this still means they are notable, and as I said, I think that to assert that most songs are even notable is dubious. So, I stand over rating Astral Weeks on importance.
On the specific quesion of Brown Eyed Girl, I will check for error, or slip of fingers when using the script, as 12k does sound like Start class indeed. And I rarely dispute the ratings of qulaity by other projects (ratings of importance often do not relate), so I would have tended to respect WP Songs, for example. SeoR (talk) 13:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction, Ww2censor. In fact that article is a contender even for B-class, so I can only put the stub marker down to a slip of the fingers, apologies. SeoR (talk) 13:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing this issue and in reply to the question of the no. of songs listed under Van Morrison: No - not one article for each song, he's written hundreds and it's not out of line with WP or encyclopedic norm either. The songs have mostly been chosen for popularity, critical acclaim or importance on innovation such as - Listen to the Lion. If you compare just one list of rankings of song-writers, such as the most recent and important - 100 Best Living Songwriters - Van Morrison at # (20) on the list, Morrison's number of song articles Van Morrison songs - 97 song articles (probably a third of which are already written cover version song articles) is certainly in line with others on the list such as # (16) David Bowie - David Bowie songs - 200 song articles, # (18) U2 - U2 songs, 116 song articles - # (23) Elton John - Elton John songs, -113 song articles, Bob Dylan has 169 song articles, etc...It's difficult to adequately state a rebuttal without unintentionally sounding brusque and I do feel a bit odd arguing the importance of one of your own countrymen, not mine. Thanks, Agadant (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
The difference between B-class and start-class is rather a wide range and I tend to only classify as a B article which really are quite extensive and I don't think Brown Eyed Girl is at that stage yet even though SeoR seems to rate higher than I do. It may be necessary to review our criteria for importance of Irish music and come up with a consensus but in the overall aspect of the WikiProject Ireland, unless it is exceptional and important over generations then a low-importance is all songs like this are likely to get for now. Do remember that both the class and importance are subjective ratings. ww2censor (talk) 05:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I do know that every thing on Wiki is subjective but we all have to try to rise above most of the time or we shouldn't be contributing. All right, I give up on "BEG", but I still say the album Astral Weeks should be a somewhat important article for Ireland WP. Here's an article published in your own Dublin newspaper recently making my case - Junk obscures our greatest treasure Agadant (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) Now you are making a case for Astral Weeks to be uprated from a low rating, but this assessment is about Brown Eyed Girl! Note that the NI project rating is also a low, so there is consistancy for you in that regard even if you disagree with it. As I stated above, perhaps there is a need to formulate some consensus guidelines for Irish music ratings but that may happen elsewhere within the assessment group, of which a few editors, of those usually active, are unavaiilable right now. BTW, this is a request area and not a discussion page. ww2censor (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Points I have to make and then I'll be on my merry way: (1) I originally mentioned AW on this page also. (2) I wrote to you on your talk page and you didn't answer me. (3) The only ratings on Astral Weeks are WP albums = TOP and WP Ireland = LOW........ Thanks and my talk page is available.....Agadant (talk) 19:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Myles Keogh Over the past few months I have made a number of additions to this page - vastly improved - and feel that it could progress to GA. If not, would like to know what further is required.
    • Assessment requests are not really the place for article advise, though I suggest you incorporate the trivia section into the main text where appropriate and the inline external links should be turned into inline citations instead. You should probably add an infobox and possibly check out the GA review page to see if it complies with everything there, if you have not done so yet. ww2censor (talk) 05:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Kilkenny County Council - I have removed the redirect to the Kilkenny article and started with informaton and sections. At the moment I would just like an importance rating and know if anyone else is working on other Local Goverment in Ireland articles.
    • Updated from stub to start and rated as low. I am not sure about including current office holders is a good idea because they will be outdated at the next election and who will update them then? ww2censor (talk) 12:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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