Talk:The Pale
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[edit] Old discussion
The term the pale also appears to be used to describe British territories in Ireland... and what about the phrase "beyond the pale"? The Anome 11:12 23 May 2003 (UTC)
The remarks regarding the English spoken in the Pale compared to the Cork accent are frankly grounded in little historical facts.Irish probably was spoken in parts of the Pale in the 19th century as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diarmuidh (talk • contribs) 13:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Irish was very widely spoken in the Pale well into the 19th century. See John O'Donovan's Ordnance Survey Letters for Meath, for instance, where O'Donovan went around the county talking to the natives in Irish and asking them the names for all the places and the origins. It is specifically from these interviews in the 1830s that An Uaimh is the established name for Navan in the Irish (there was a bit of conflict between versions until that). Also, Meath County Council did a commemorative book on An Gorta Mór 10 years ago and it went in depth into how the famine did much more damage to the Irish speaking north of County Meath than to the more English speaking south of the county. Furthermore, the last native Irish speaker in Iniskeen, on the borders of Co. Meath but in Monaghan, only died in the 1950s. His name was Dónall Ó Con Fhiacla (given in some sources as 'Dónall Mac Con Fhiacla', and pre standardisation as 'Mac Confhiacla'). Lastly, Irish was spoken in north Louth well into the 20th century, where it was in reality Ulster Irish. PS: Read Colm Lennon's book on Richard Stanihurst for the latter's description of English spoken in the Pale in the 16th century. It was an archaic form which Stanihurst was very proud of, believing as he did that the English spoke a less English language than people like himself. 86.42.77.166 (talk) 19:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Page moved from Pale
See Talk:Pale. Andrewa 02:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- I have archived the old talk page for this article at Talk:The Pale/Archive 1.--Srleffler 03:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Suggested changes
The article needs more information on dates, in particular when the Pale was established, how long it lasted, and what happened to end it.--Srleffler 20:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
It could also use some information on modern use of "The Pale" to refer to the area around Dublin. I gather that this term is still used, colloquially.--Srleffler 22:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ireland Centric
I really think this article should be moved to the Dublin pale or something similar.
Though the Irish pale was the most famous one as the disambig page mentions it wasn't the only one. The Calais Pale was also fairly significant and is deserving of a article.--Him and a dog 16:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
