Talk:Black Donnellys

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Isn't the linking of "stormed" to Home invasion a little anarchronistic, not to mention unnecessary?

[edit] Relation?

Well, my grandmother was of Black Donnelly Decent, she died about 10 years ago though. Do you think any relation Mom-*Smiling Nervously* "Nah, impossible!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prophicyofwiki (talk • contribs) 00:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stagecoach?

I was under the impression that the Donnellys owned a stagecoach at some point? Escheffel 04:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I recall reading that they had a stagecoach company, perhaps with more than one coach, in a paperback book called The Black Donnellys. I'm not sure whether or not that was the book by Thomas Kelly, as cited in the main article. Josh-Levin@ieee.org 14:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I read that in a paperback book called "The Black Donnellys - The Outrageous Tale of Canada's Deadliest Feud" by Nate Hendley. So, if it's that book, it's not cited on the main page.Cookiedog 20:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cromwell & Whiteboys

The section on the origin of the term blackfeet is historically simplistic, often wrong and their is little or no evidence to support many of the claims made in it.

(1)"Cromwell's forcible injection of Protestants into a solidly Catholic society -- with the explicit intent of expelling the Catholics -- aroused strong anti-English and anti-Protestant emotions..."

Cromwell's forces were in ireland to continue the English Civil War. While Cromwell certianly had anti-catholic beliefs, his primary concern in Ireland was to rout the loyalists to the Crown and their allies in Confederate Ireland which he saw as a threat to the revolution. Protestant settlers had been planted many times before Cromwell's arrival, the actions of his troops brought the plantation saga to its apex (after the events catholics owned under five percent of Irish land).

(2) "...culminating in the formation of the Irish secret society called Whiteboys around 1761, named for the white robes they wore."

This is clearly not the case. The issue culminated in the battles of the Boyne, Aughrim and the Treaty of Limerick. The period after the Boyne was marked by the rise of the Protestant Ascendancy and the affect of the penal laws on the catholic majority. The Whiteboys and other groups like them more likely arose out of this reality. Much of the anti-catholic social order was quelled after Catholic Emancipation in 1778.

(3)"This split sections of Irish society into three classes: Catholic Whiteboys, Protestant Orangemen, and Blackfeet."

There is no evidence of this whatsoever. The major classes were the landowning Protestant Ascendancy. The Protestant tenant class and the Catholic tenant class and the Rising middle class.

(4)"Blackfeet were Irish Catholics who refused to adhere to the rigid Whiteboy code and were severely mistreated by the Whiteboys for their perceived treason."

The whiteboys were one of the more prominent secret societies in 18th and 19th century Ireland. These groups who were generally found in rural areas rebelled against the local establishment. Irish society changed rapidly during this period as pre act of union industrialisation began and the Inclosure Acts changed the fabric of rural society. Various taxes, tithes, penal laws, anti-British feeling and vindictive landlords helped drive many to arms. The so-called Whiteboy code was a reaction to this stratification of society, particularly the rise of the tenant classes, and which generally pushed for a return to the pre-inclosure system of commons. This agrarian unrest was not unique to Ireland and it is important to remember that the whiteboys were one of a number of agrairan anti-establishment groupings in Ireland of that period (others being the Defenders, the Peep O'Day Boys, .

As for the term Blackfeet there is no evidence to support that its use was widespread, if at all.

(5) "The term Blackfeet was often shortened to Black Irish, meaning Irish that were free thinkers and did not adhere to the strict Catholic v. Protestant didactic."

There is absolutely no evidence to support this. The "...strict Catholic v. Protestant didactic" was much reduced in late 18th century Ireland thanks to catholic emancipation and the rise of the United Irishmen.

I'm of black donnelly ancestory...and the story you've got is wrong wrong wrong!!! they're rolling in their graves!!!