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[edit] Small additions

Just added the Supporters Society UCC link, in attempt to get something organised for next year. Excellent wiki article, nice stats from corkcityfc.ie! -Gav

[edit] Tabulated Records

I've taken the liberty of editing the records: not the records themselves! but rather i've created tables to aranged the records into 4 columns, and reduced the ammount of white space in each record. the result is that the article is about 1.4 the length it once appeared, leaving more room for more detail :)--Gav 21:52, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

  • These tables look awful and the mix of colours doesn't help. If I get the chance I'm going to clean it up but feel free to do it yourself --Dodge 11:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Well sorry dodge :p i just stuffed them into a table as a quick edit since before my edit the page was 90% a list of records. --Gav

[edit] Cleanup

Someone who has a better knowledge of the club more then myself really needs a once over on this article, it a miss match of coloured tables of various kinds, as well the history could be written in a way so that it looks less like the one on their web site an more like an article not a just miss mash of stuff. I also had to remove the heros and villains section, it's just to POV to even be considered for this article, folks this is not a fan site this is an Encyclopaedia, if you want an idea of what this article should and has the potential to look like, i would take a look at the various EPL articles, like ones for Arsenal F.C., or Liverpool F.C. and others, Arsenal what should be strived for. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Size

The article was approaching Wikipedia's advised page limit, so I have broken the content up into other pages to get round this.

That's good, but it's standard good practice to post your plans on the talk page *before* making wholescale changes like that! So that others can contribute.
Personally - while moving and creating a "History of football in Cork City" is possibly an OK idea - I think that some of the other stuff may not be appropriate for an individual article. You may find that some of the new "table of X" articles will be flagged with "not enough context" or some other {{cleanup}} tags! I think there may have been other or better ways to resolve the "article is too big" issue. Guliolopez 16:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Also - FYI - The WP article size standard is a guideline and not gospel. It should not be interpretted as an immediate spur a "cull" parts of the article. See Arsenal F.C.. This is a great article, (which happens to be "oversized") and doesn't suffer from some of the issues that the Cork City article does. Personally I think we should probably have just had a concerted effort to summarise some of the "season summaries", and "tidy up" some of the tables (which were probably a bit overpopulated with every available stat) rather than moving everything to their own articles. Guliolopez 16:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Rights lads I'm reverting all of these changes. I'm going to remove all the coloured tables and have basic text for most sections. I strongly suggest a Cork fan rewrites the History into one brief article rather than a season by season guide, particularly when that is available (almost word for word) on the Club's official site [1] Dodge 18:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Template

  • I've left the template on this page so people can have a look. I'm going to do the european section similar to the way I did it at St Patrick's Athletic F.C. I don't thing the article needs all the info on the records page. The official website give it all Dodge 19:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Cork City Football Club
The Club | Season Placings | European Competition
League Records 1985-2005 | Turners Cross
Manager Records | Football In Cork City
  • I've nominated Cork City F.C. In European Competition for deletion as the info is now in the main article. Will nominate the other articles as we fix them up. Dodge 14:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Just in case people don't know. All the articles in the Info box above (bar the Turners Cross one) redirect to the main article now that myself and Guliolopez have tidied up the articles and merged the info into the Cork City page. I see no reason why the template can't be left here for history's sake. Dodge 11:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To Do List for Cork City Page

  • Get brief history instead of season by season from club website Done per "History rewrite" below Guliolopez 12:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • European Records added to Record section Done Dodge 19:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Expand "Football in Cork" into its own full page Done See Football League of Ireland in Cork city Dodge 11:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • General tidy up Done (Moved the multiple tables/lists with varying colours/etc to single standard template & moved images for layout) Guliolopez 11:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • followed by deletion of some pages in that infobox above. Done Redirect pages to main article. Leaving the box here, as its not a template Dodge 11:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd prefer if a fan wrote the history rather than a Pats (me!) fan remove that year by year thing Dodge 16:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Unless no objections, (and until someone can think of something better) I am likely going to (at the very least) summarise the awful and impenetrable "year by year", "blow by blow" section into a decade by decade history. That should go someway to improve this article. Guliolopez 19:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I say go ahead. Once you've put down the template. I'm sure we(the Irish football people) can edit it. Good luck Dodge 19:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
OK - Per above, I've summarised the "year by year" headache into a "decade by decade" summary - reducing the original ~2300 words to ~1400. Summary draft is here. I'm not sure it's quite slim-line enough yet to replace the existing history, so I'd welcome any help/feedback on further summarisation before I move it to the main article. Guliolopez 19:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Have edited your draft. Don't think we need to know about every League cup or Munster cup failure, also removed the list of Friendlies. Does any other club list frindlies in its history? Good work though Dodge 00:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History rewrite

Per above, Dodge and myself have completed an (exhaustative) effort to summarise the "history" section of the main article. See Cork City FC - History (Draft). Further comment/edits from other editors welcome before it replaces the current text. Guliolopez 10:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capacity

Ive updated the capacity of turners cross to 13,000.If any one can get an exact capacity that would be great. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.101.222.28 (talk)

Hi. From where does the 13,000 estimate come? I may be mistaken, but I understood that (even with the new "Shed End" stand), Turner's Cross capacity remains around 9000. To my understanding, capacity for each part of the ground is:
South/DonnieForde 1900 +
North/DerrynaneRd 1200 +
West/SaintAnnesRd 2800 +
East/OldShedStand 1500
= Total Seated of <7500
Accounting for (at a maximum) ~1500 "standing in the gaps between seated areas", the total capacity remains ~9000
See [2] or [3] Am I missing something? Where does 13,000 come from? Guliolopez 01:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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