Talk:Irish migration to Britain

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"It does not seem to reflect the massive second and third generations of people of Irish descent in Britain"

Speaking as a fourth-generation Irish-Briton, yes, it doesn't. That's because the second and third generations pretty much assimilated, interbred and suchforth. Morwen - Talk 07:47, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I've removed this whole section of the article due to POV and, as there are no sources for who might have suggested that people were "confused" by the question, weasel words. Valiantis 00:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Matt Busby

I deleted the (a Roman Catholic) beside Matt Busby I don't think it's relevent as I believe he was mostly of Lithuanian descent there may be some Irish, but I'm sure he's one of the Lithuanian community in Scotland famous sons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elitejcx (talk • contribs) 22:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] POV

The Scotland part has a lot of POV banter in it, I'm going to slap on a POV template, sentences like:

with banners deemed to be imflammatory by some, and attended by a minority who are intent on tarnishing the good name of the organisation.

Looks like someone has copied a lot of this straight from the Orange Order website Superdude99 16:17, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I've reworked the section to deal with most of the POV stuff, and pulled the NPOV tag. Various facts are flagged as requiring citation. Mtpt 19:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UK-government figures flawed

It also needs to be said, that the census figures have a big drawback - in as much as they only show where people where born, not what kind of people they are. In Wales the largest foreign-born group are those born in Germany. But only a minority are Germans - most of them are born to British service-men while stationed there. Or in the case some parts of London, most are Jews who with a British passport now would not class themselves as German. Agathoclea 14:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary; the 2001 Census allowed people to describe their ethnicity as Irish regardless of place of birth, so it shows "what kind of people they are", and not where they were born. Martin 02:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

This is all rather confusing. In the article it says that 1.2% (England and Wales) classify themselves as Irish, but 1.4% are Irish born. Bill Tegner 09:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Famous British Irish Names

This is an odd list. Is it supposed to be one of Irish people now in Britain? Or people who (claim to) have Irish ancestry? If the latter, it would go on for page after page, even if one were to include only "famous" people. Bill Tegner 14:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not too sure if Ralph Fiennes should be included. He did live in Ireland for a time, and briefly attended Newtown School in Waterford, but he lives in England and he's English by birth and parentage. Bill Tegner 09:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, I've removed his name on grounds of factual inaccuracy.Indisciplined 21:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Diana, Princess of Wales had Ango-Irish roots, though her grandfather, E.M. Burke Roche, Lord Fermoy. Burke and Roche are very Irish names and Fermoy is in County Cork.Millbanks 10:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Spike Milligan wouldnt be to happy with being a 'notable britan' no matter the purposes of this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by mike82.45.205.254 (talk) 23:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2001 Census

There's a very interesting article in today's Irish Times. It's by Brian Walker who holds the Chair of Irish Studies at Queen's University, Belfast. It comments on the 2001 census and its surprising results in the context of the Irish in Britain, and goes on to say that Jim Callaghan's father was not Irish as is commonly supposed (he changed his name when he joined the Navy, "to escape his family") but adds that John Major's grandmother was Irish. I won't delete J. Callaghan and his daughter Margaret Jay from the list (or not yet) because it might be contentious, but I'll keep the article to hand. Millbanks 22:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Self Classification

In yesterday's Irish Times there's an article by Rosemary Behan. She describes what she calls "a horrible exercise" when joining her local library in Newham, London. "I was forced to fill out a form to declare my ethnic origin. Being half-English, half Irish, this was particularly meaningless. The tickable boxes included "White English" or "White Irish".......Exasperated, I simply wrote, "I don't think of myself in these terms and left it at that"" Millbanks 08:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British in Ireland

The 2006 census in the Republic of Ireland showed that 2.7% of the population had been born in the UK. That is a substantially higher percentage than the number of people in Britain born in Ireland. But the figure must be approached with caution. For example, 48% of the British born people in Ireland referred to themselves as Roman Catholic: a very much greater percentage than the number of Roman Catholics in Britain. This seems to indicate that a substantial number of British born people in Ireland are themselves of Irish extraction and moved to Ireland because of the improved economic climate. Millbanks 09:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Irish in Wales

From the article "There is little historical connection between Ireland and Wales. In 2001 there were 20,569 people in Wales (0.7% of the population) who had been born in Ireland."

Nonsense! Saint Patrick was Welsh for God sake! Irish pirates took many Welsh people as slaves so there was contact.

The Norman settlers in Ireland came from their Welsh baronies.

So although there may not be many Irish people living there now, there are plenty of historical connections. 213.162.125.117 (talk) 11:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

You are quite correct. There was extensive Irish settlemeny in Wales in the Dark Ages; the ruling dynasty of Dyfed was of Irish origin and Ogham inscriptions are probably more common there than anywhere else outside Ireland. There was also extensive Irish immigration into Wales in the 19th century. The 0.7% figure simply reflects the fact that there was little Irish immigration into Wales in the 20th century. The statement "There is little historical connection between Ireland and Wales" is entirely wrong. Cantiorix (talk) 13:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)