Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/archived removal requests 3

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This is an archive page for featured picture status removal debates. These debates are closed and should not be edited. For more information see Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates.

• Archive 1 (2006)
• Archive 2 (2007)
• Archive 3 (2008)

Contents 1 Retained 1.1 John Edwards 1.2 Wildfire 1.3 Warsaw Ghetto Josef Bloesche-edit1 1.4 Joey in pouch 1.5 Monarch butterfly 1.6 Coconut shy 1.7 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 1.8 Nodding Pincushion Protea Flower Bud 1.9 South Africa Apartheid 1.10 The USS Akron (ZRS-4) Airship flying over southern Manhattan 1.11 Marine da nang 1.12 Green turtle 1.13 Jet engine 1.14 Agassiz statue 1.15 Petrified Wood 1.16 Air Force One over Mt. Rushmore 1.17 Veined leaf 1.18 Coyote 1.19 Eiffel Tower 1.20 Mechanical mouse cutaway 1.21 Rolling thunder cloud 2 Replaced 2.1 Bird beaks named 2.2 Mustard Edit 2.3 Big Ben Clock Tower 2.4 The Roman Baths of Bath, England 2.5 Colibri thalassinus 2.6 Nuclear weapon 2.7 Mercury 3 Delisted 3.1 Meissner effect 3.2 Lower Yellowstone Fall-1200px.jpg 3.3 Mccoy Tyner 1973 gh.jpg 3.4 Love or duty 3.5 Cerro de la Silla 3.6 Caterpillar feeding 3.7 I-80 Eastshore Fwy 3.8 Prokaryote cell diagram.svg 3.9 Bunch of grapes 3.10 Challenger (STS-51-L) Explosion 3.11 FA-18 Hornet breaking sound barrier (7 July 1999) 3.12 Tram interior 3.13 F1 car 3.14 Millennium Bridge, London 3.15 Koh Samui 3.16 Fisherman on Lake Tanganyika 3.17 Reichstag flag 4 Other 4.1 Image:High Resolution Solar Spectrum.jpg 4.2 Image:Kimi Raikkonen 2007.jpg

[edit] Retained

[edit] John Edwards

Reason

Image is hopelessly noisy, basically NOTHING is in focus. Way oversampled also. Half of him is coverered in razor-sharp shadows (which is the only thing sharp in this pic). The american flag in the background is barely identifiable as such- the white balance leaves its 50 (52 if you count the strangely double-image ones) blots and long smudges light and dull. The composition is terrible; he's cut off on the left and theres a giant gap between the end of his arm and the right of the image (where his fingers end nobody knows because his overexposed fingertips fade right into the grey of a flag stripe). The sinkers are: the worst-case lighting conditions and the focus on the giant blur that's probably a microphone.

Nominator

ffroth

• Delist — ffroth 03:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• keep only been and FP for 4 months - I don't think the standards have changed significantly since it was promoted. de Bivort 03:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • But it should never have been promoted in the first place :[ The standards haven't changed, but the image doesn't satisfy the standards of 4 months ago. --ffroth 16:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. Not particularly encyclopedic and the lighting is what led me to oppose in the original nom. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-01-03 14:50Z
• Delist Lighting is the big drawback; for a politician there must be better photos out there and plenty of chances to get a better shot. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 23:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. I can live with motion blur on the hands. The head is in reasonable focus. I might be inclined to delist to avoid systemic bias in the elections, but unfortunately, that's not one of our criteria. Samsara (talk • contribs) 23:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delist I don't mind the out-of-focus flag background, it's a nice effect and perfectly recognizable. The entire composition is excellent. I just don't like the way the light is falling across his face. As I said in my original oppose, there should be a lot of public domain photos of candidates to choose from. --Bridgecross (talk) 18:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I disagree with all of the nominator's points and the exaggerated tone of them in particular. Lighting, focus and composition are perfectly fine and the rather high contrast (which amounts to the only legitimate niggle, IMO) is way less important a factor here than the power of the image itself. --mikaul^talk 23:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The composition is just fine as it is, and the quality is pertty good (full ack mikaul!). --Dschwen 02:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I don't see any problems with this, I don't understand the what the nominator means by 'way oversampled' this was taken with a 6.3 megapixel DSLR, considering the resolution, it was likely downsampled or cropped, there isn't any evidence of interpolation, the noise is acceptable Thisglad (talk) 08:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I think its fairly dynamic and the light isn't terrible. -Fcb981^{(talk:contribs)} 13:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - I think ffroth might need a lie down - his face, hair and microphone, while not perfectly in focus, are very very close. "the giant blur that's probably a microphone" - to be honest, WTF? This is a reasonable picture. To be honest, we're not trying to accurately illustrate the entirety of John Edwards' body with this image, so I doubt that his legs and right elbow are going to add much to picture, especially as they're clad in a plain blue tracksuit. I can also quite clearly see the all of the ends of his fingers. Tried using a different monitor, ffroth? —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 16:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and I echo the sentiment of some of the folks above that the tone of the delist nom was inappropriate, bordering on UNCIVIL. Matt Deres (talk) 03:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Agree with above. Almost borders on trolling, I'd say... --Janke | Talk 20:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 04:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wildfire

Reason

I feel that the composition isn't really good enough for FP, and the quality doesn't seem good enough either: blurry, low detail. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Nominator

-- Anonymous Dissident^Talk

• Delist — -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Voted almost unanimous keep on June 25th last year, when this larger version was uploaded. Even though it has faults, it's unique enough to keep as a FP. --Janke | Talk 07:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. I don't think the standards have changed much since June 25th or even since the original nom. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-01-08 13:59Z
• Keep per above. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep composition is very good, considering the rarity of this event. Same goes for quality. This is one of the more striking pictures I have seen of a wildfire. Clegs (talk) 06:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep great composition, plus drama! Wildlife huddled in a stream to escape surrounding fire. As for the focus; I cut a little slack for shooting a wildfire at night. I doubt there was a tripod handy. --Bridgecross (talk) 16:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Rare and unique shot. No higher res version can be found. Jumping cheese 01:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Hasn't this been an attempted delist several times for this image? Still meets FP criteria enough to be a featured picture, a great shot, very good composition. Cat-five - talk 08:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Just looked up the answer to my own question, as far as I can find the original was put up for delisting and replaced with teh hi-res which is what's up for delisting now for essentially the same reasons the original was put up for delisting. Cat-five - talk 08:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Awesome image, besides being encyclopedic. --Sharkface217 03:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep This image has won prizes outside of WP and has become one of the most recognisable wildlife images in the world. That is, it has become notable in its own right, not just for its information content. Let me write a stub about it. Samsara noadmin (talk) 13:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Kept . --jjron (talk) 08:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warsaw Ghetto Josef Bloesche-edit1

Reason

Deleted at COM:DEL. Already delisted. MER-C 03:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. I re-uploaded to en-WP. This is PD in the U.S., but is ineligible for hosting at Commons. howcheng {chat} 17:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Investigating further, this seems to have been re-uploaded by someone else as Image:Stroop Report - Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 06.jpg. howcheng {chat} 18:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Are there any objections to this being refeatured? It seems a little small... MER-C 06:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep --Fir0002 02:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Conditional keep. Grumble, grumble I was going to say delist and renominate, but when I looked at it fullsize I seem to remember supporting the original nomination (I don't guess anyone can easily find the link to that?). So keep, provided Howcheng (or someone) can confirm that this is basically the same as the version that was originally promoted; if not I think it should be delisted and renominated. --jjron (talk) 08:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • This is the same version that was originally promoted. I am an admin on Commons, so I was able to view the deleted file, which I then downloaded and reuploaded locally. The version that has been uploaded by someone else will probably need to be deleted from Commons, since it's not PD in its home country (Germany). howcheng {chat} 17:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
• Too historically valuable not to keep --Hadseys (talk • contribs) 16:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delistbecause it doesn't meet the minimum size requirements, and the subject is not dynamic enough to overcome that. Keep. Thanks for the hi-res version. Not to be a nit-pick or anything, but it could do with some clean-up. I can't do it, though. But I think that it is now good enough for an FP. Clegs (talk) 17:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Its a little boy about to be shot dead after the warsaw ghetto uprising, id say it was plenty dynamic, perhaps a little too much so
• Delist as per Clegs. Thingg (talk) 21:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Again, find me a better shot of the subject and prove to me that this is not the best WP has to offer and I'll change to delist but until then people have to stop giving size higher priority than the best to offer principle. Cat-five - talk 08:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per Clegs. Thisglad (talk) 11:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This is one of the most famous photos of the second World War. Much effort have been made to identify the people in the photo. It's one of those rare documentary photographs with a "perfect" composition (YMMV). A resolution that meets the FP requirement would be better, but "exceptions to this rule may be made for historical or otherwise unique images" Wikipedia:Featured_picture_criteria. Zarniwoot (talk) 00:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
• FYI... This really is a famous photo. I've seen it in many Holocaust books and websites. You can buy posters of the photo on one site. Some sources claim that he boy is Tsvi Nussbaum, but the Wikipedia article suggets that he might not be. --User101010 (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I've written to the site where this photo comes from to request that they release a small number of high resolution public domain images for Wikipedia, and offered to provide full credit and an outgoing link to their site in return. Also, I've been searching the Library of Congress for other free images of the Holocaust. Haven't found any yet. I'd welcome other leads and sources for material on this very important subject. Durova^Charge! 21:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • This image was contained in a report compiled by SS commander Jürgen Stroop who was in charge of the Nazi troops during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It was seized by the U.S. government after the war and used as evidence during the Nuremburg Trials against him. It's thus public domain in the U.S. by virtue of being seized enemy property. howcheng {chat} 17:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

• • • The original ( the only one existing copy) of Jürgen Stroop report was transferred to the property of Polish State by US- Army authorities , just after Nuremburg Trials.This original is now in property of Institute for National Rememberance in Warsaw (Poland). The first publication of all photos from this document was made in Poland in 1946. The author of all photos is unknown - and for the reason he was a member of Stroop commando ( with nationality unknown - it was Germans, Latvians, Russians, Ukrainians) he is from the beginning in prosecution for participating in genocide and for this reason he will never in fact be disclosed personally.

According to Berne Convention art. 5. [1] in any case of anonymous works the law, shall to be in effect is the law of country of the first publication of photo.

For the reason - the country of publishing is Poland , the regulations of Polish copyright law are in effect. See Template:PD:Polish in Commons

Best regards: Andros64 (talk) 10:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• • FYI, I have uploaded a high-resolution version of the photo:Image:26543.JPG.
• Keep as high resolution version. Image size is no longer an issue. Durova^Charge! 07:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Just for the record, I found the original nomination here. It's clearly a Keep (the only reasons for delist were to do with size, but that's now not an issue), but it's no longer in any articles - does anyone know what it was in before this all happened? Can we get it back in an article before closing this please? Also does someone feel like giving the big version a straighten and crop to bring it into line with the small one? --jjron (talk) 09:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Kept . --jjron (talk) 09:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Awaiting placement back in an article (and straighten and crop of large version). --jjron (talk) 09:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I replaced the old version with the new, hi-res version in Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Spikebrennan (talk) 19:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

All done; back in articles, back in original places in FP thumbs and Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History, FP count incremented. --jjron (talk) 12:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Joey in pouch

Reason

no longer meets size requirements, tight crop & extensive JPEG compression artifacts Thisglad (talk) 12:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Nominator

Thisglad (talk)

• Delist — Thisglad (talk) 12:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep in fighting the good fight against unreasonable retroactive application of size guidelines to old images per my previous arguments on the subject, and because there is no evidence that this still isn't the best that WP has to offer which is the main point not it's size, so me a better shot and I'll change my vote. Cat-five - talk 08:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The errors caused by compression was another listed reason if you look above, particularly in the bottom right corner, easily visible at 100%, not what you would expect as the best wikipedia has to offer. Thisglad (talk) 09:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, I still think it's some of the best WP has to offer. Minor compression artifacts don't change that and while bigger would be better... the size is quite reasonable for the subject. gren グレン 10:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep until replacement found I really don't think that this should be taken down without a suitable replacement. --Sharkface217 03:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. It's a unique image, can't find this easily. You try pointing a camera in a kangaroo's pouch and see what she says. Samsara noadmin (talk) 13:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep; per gren.—DMCer™ 07:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 02:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Monarch butterfly

Reason

It seems to have been replaced by a more recent promotion that shows the same subject in pretty much the same way and is a higher res, especially on the subject.

PS: If it's of any interest, the existing FP was not mentioned at the recent FP candidacy.

Nominator

Samsara (talk • contribs)

• Delist — Samsara (talk • contribs) 12:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. There's no law against multiple FPs of a single subject. Clegs (talk) 03:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Clegs. —αἰτίας •discussion• 18:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Clegs. Juliancolton (Talk) 16:26, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Clegs. DiligentTerrier • talk |sign here 18:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Kept . --John254 04:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coconut shy

Reason

Coconut shies barely visible, irrelevant signs in the background, tent cut off on all sides.

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 00:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Hopefully it will stick this time. I nominated this for delisting awhile back and it got kept despite my protests. It is also tilted un-ENC among other things. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 01:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. It captures the garishness well, but doesn't illustrate anything properly. Matt Deres (talk) 01:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment According to the image description page it has already been delisted "This was formerly a featured picture." --Fir0002 02:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • That's been picked up from Commons - see here. --jjron (talk) 07:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist: per nom; it's also on the small side.—DMCer™ 04:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. I can't believe I've never even noticed this amongst the FPs before. --jjron (talk) 07:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per my thinking during previous delist discussion. de Bivort 22:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Signs in the background are fantastic. This guy is an original, they don't make them any more. Essential funfair atmosphere. Samsara (talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Whether the coconuts are visible is somewhat irrelevant given that this picture is also included in Funfair, which does not deal with coconuts. Samsara (talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • It's only encyclopedic for Funfair because it's a coconut shy, in which case the visibility of the coconuts is pretty crucial. Pstuart84 Talk 23:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Incorrect. It's encyclopaedic there because it's a funfair stall. Whether it's coconuts, cans, balls or airguns, candy or raffle, irrelevant. It is a funfair stall. It conveys a lot (npi) about what a funfair stall is, and how it's run. Samsara (talk • contribs) 12:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Well thanks to Pstuart84 for mentioning the delisting candidacy this time. I'm not that bothered whether this picture is delisted or not, since I gave up on illustrating Wikipedia over a year ago, when I got tired of folks in the Featured Pictures arena getting too hung up on irrelevant technicalities, such as marginally blown highlights, horizons off by < 1° and most especially I got tired of ever increasing demands for more and more pixels even though they are unlikely to be of any benefit to Wikipedia (even should a print edition one day materialise in the never never). I only noticed the last delisting suggestion on this picture months after the event, but was nevertheless disappointed to see that many people in FPC were still hung up on these sorts of anal considerations rather than trying to encourage the best illustrations for the widest range of subjects.

Now I've a lot more respect for this delisting suggestion since it is trying to focus on the content. However, I should note that many of you seem to be a little confused as to what a coconut shy actually is. A coconut shy is not the coconut, nor is it the cup and stick that the coconut rests on, rather it is the whole stall in which that game takes place. It doesn't specifically include the stall owner, although all coconut shys would have one and they could be seen as an integral part of the illustration. A useful analogy would be an illustration of a bowling alley which ought to show the bowling lane, just as much as the pins.

On another note, I tend to see this picture as an example of salvage ethnography (and I recall helping ensure that we had a number of examples of Edward Curtis illustrations for The North American Indian as FPs). Travelling showmen largely live their lives apart from the rest of society and have their own subculture. It is a lifestyle that is in decline and I wouldn't be surprised if has essentially disappeared in the next 50 years. Already the last bare-knuckle boxing booth has closed in the UK when its owner died of old age a couple of years ago. -- Solipsist (talk) 14:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• • I don't generally like quoting wikipedia on wikipedia but: "A coconut shy (or coconut shie) is a traditional game frequently found as a sidestall at funfairs and fêtes. The game consists of throwing wooden balls at a row of coconuts balanced on posts. Typically a player buys three balls and wins each coconut successfully dislodged. In some cases other prizes may be won instead of the coconuts." So maybe a better analogy would be a picture of the outside of a bowling ally being used to illustrate bowling in general. See, at least according to our article, Coconut shy is the game. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 05:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Come on Fcb - if you insist on analogies, at least let them be accurate. If this were a bowling image, you would see the pins, they would just be small within the frame that also shows the lanes and ball returns and shoe rental desk. de Bivort 06:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
      • • Right you are, I didn't want to lose dramatic flare by saying an image showing shoe rental, arcade, bar... maybe you get the idea. ;-) -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 23:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
      • And of course, you might want to check who wrote the article on the coconut shy and much of the article on the Aunt Sally too. -- Solipsist (talk) 07:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
        • Ok, well I know little about coconut shys but maybe if you, someone with more knowledge about it, thinks its in order, the beginning of the article should be revised. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 23:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist – As per my comments from the previous nomination, main problems being the coconuts are hardly visible, and the tent is cut off. Centy – reply• contribs – 21:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist for the same reasons I gave in the previous delist discussion: This isn't a good illustration of a coconut shy. The subject of the photo is clearly the man, and the coconuts themselves are partially obscured and hidden in a sea of distracting "other stuff." Also, the red channel is blown in several areas -- I'm not referring to the lightbulbs. -- Moondigger (talk) 05:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per Moondigger Clegs (talk) 00:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. Not encyclopedic. Cacophony (talk) 01:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The article is encyclopedic for funfair (as an example of a traditional coconut shy).. and also for the article coconut shy - deceptively, despite the name the coconuts should only make up the small part of the picture that they do here. shas^Yarr!/_T|C 10:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Good color, composition OK. The image is striking and captures the atmosphere of the fair and carnival games. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 03:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, because it's used in funfair... which is more than just that specific game but the whole atmosphere. gren グレン 12:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The delist nom breaks my heart-- this has always been one of my favorite FPs. I agree that it's encyclopedic for Funfair. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist - Per above --ZeWrestler ^Talk 23:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

No consensus MER-C 08:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

Reason

Nominating to delist and replace with restored version.

Nominator

Durova^Charge!

• Delist and replace — Durova^Charge! 02:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. Seems like we're substituting the scratched up historical photo look for the crappy grainy photo look :[ :D\=< (talk) 04:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace per nom. Nice job on the restoration. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
• Opposeper :D\=<, they call me a sucker, but I like some scratches on historic photos.D-rew (talk) 02:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. While cleaning up scratches, you repaired the front woman's stocking run, and removed two lapel pins from the coat of the woman behind her! The cosmetic cleanup and sharpening removed detail and added digital artifacts. I strongly prefer the original, scratches and all. --mglg_(talk) 18:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
  • One of the things I consider when doing these restorations is the historic and economic background. Stockings, for instance, were in very short supply during World War II.[2] It was highly unlikely that a Jewish woman in the Warsaw Ghetto would have had access to a high demand luxury that caused store riots even in the United States. At high magnification the contours of that mark are consistent with photographic decomposition rather than than a socking run. All other details were examined with equal attention to context. This particular discussion is taking surprising turns. Compare to Commons:Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Stroop Report - Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 06b.jpg. Durova^Charge! 19:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
    • I have no doubt that your judgment about what features are or are not likely to be real is excellent, and I'll happily assume it to be superior to mine. I hestitate, however, to take it as obvious that your judgment is infallible, or that no qualified future Wikipedia viewer would reach different conclusions. Therefore I suggest that it is prudent to leave such judgments to the viewer, by maintaining any documentary image in a maximally documentary condition, free of all but the most basic processing. As for the overwhelming support this image received at commons, that appears to pertain to the image in general – which I think most of us agree is stellar – not to the pros and cons of this particular edit compared to the original. --mglg_(talk) 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Accuracy and historicity certainly are legitimate concerns with image restoration. A Holocaust museum uploaded the current version at my suggestion when the previous version was up for deletion due to size issues. It wasn't until a month afterward, when another Commons editor asked me to restore it that I undertook the task. A lot of tough restoration decisions get made at 300% or 500% or 700% resolution and the questions you raise are the same questions I ask myself. With restorations I always link from the restored file to an unrestored version, along with a description of the changes. That candid approach addresses issues of fidelity. Durova^Charge! 02:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Kept . --John254 00:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nodding Pincushion Protea Flower Bud

Reason

The image hardly passed the nomination in the first place, the description was changed few times (my fault) and the image is nothing special.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Nominator

Mbz1 (talk)

• Delist — Mbz1 (talk) 04:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and note that perhaps some should heed some of the essays here, rather than being hasty. Can't see any reason to delist this one. - Peripitus (Talk) 05:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

  Please believe me, Peripitus and everybody, my nomination for delisting has nothing to do with any comments by any user and no it is not WP:Point. It is my honest opinion. Yes I took this image, yes I supported it, but now I've changed my mind about FP images in general. I believe that only very special images should be getting FP status and I just do not consider this image of mine to be a very special one.It might have been more special, if at least it was taken in South Africa, where the plant comes from,but it was taken in San Francisco Botanical Garden. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 06:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw signs of a fuse blowing. A strong cup of tea may help. This picture, as found in the consensus here and the one on commons, is clearly FP material. Well taken, well composed, good looking specimen - Peripitus (Talk) 11:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

• I am sorry, if it feels this way, but please believe me there no fuse blowing. The flower is a common one, very easily reproduced and that's why the image is not special enogh to be FP IMO. Once again I am sorry, if it feels as I am disrupting Wikipedia.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep A good image that still deserves the title. Some maturity for a change, Mbz1, would be nice. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 05:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Chomp, chomp :D\=< (talk) 12:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I think Mbz1 does some great work around here, and I don't want to get caught up in any Wikidrama. While this may be an easily reproduced image, I really don't see how it could be improved upon. Encyclopedic and high-quality, definitely deserving of FP status. faithless (^speak) 05:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 08:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] South Africa Apartheid

Reason

Although this is very encyclopedic, the image is very small, and it is not very sharp at all.

Nominator

- Milk's Favorite Cookie

• Delist — - Milk's Favorite Cookie 20:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom, pathetic size. It's a tough cut though--even if you were able to see the shadows of the raised letters, it wouldn't be much more enc.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 00:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist. Can someone with a good camera snap a high-res shot of this on their screen? :D\=< (talk) 04:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Per nom--CPacker (talk) 06:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
• Suspend nom. Neither the creator/uploader, nor the original nominator have been notified of this delist nom. --jjron (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC) OK (and it's had some results). --jjron (talk) 13:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Done and Done. Thanks. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 18:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I can provide a slightly larger version of it; I may have time to do that today. Other than that I cannot do anything except to state that the historical nature of the photo may be seen as outweighing the finest standards of image quality. --John (talk) 18:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment, I am not particularly invested in the outcome----but, do we have reason to believe that there is a higher resolution version around? gren グレン 00:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Update I have uploaded a slightly larger version; I do not currently have access to the original print I scanned it from. Again, if you are so minded, you may consider the historicity of the photo to outweigh the technical faults. John (talk) 05:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I presume that the sign is no longer there, so, with the larger version, (and with the request to John to upload a larger copy if he ever he gets the chance) I don't think that delisting is appropriate. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 21:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep High enc and historical value, new size and sharpness are adequate for subject. Mfield (talk) 21:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep per above --Mothmolevna ( © ® ) 13:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep As said above about the historical value outweighing the minor flaws in quality --Mifter (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The size has improved (Thanks John) I will go close my nom now. Thanks, - Milk's Favorite Cookie 19:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Kept . --- Milk's Favorite Cookie 19:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The USS Akron (ZRS-4) Airship flying over southern Manhattan

Reason

Too small, doesn't add much information of USS Akron or its history. If it is thought to be valued for its image of Manhattan panorama of early 30-40's, then there is already a much bigger and cleaner FP.

Another Manhattan panorama

Nominator

Mothmolevna ( © ® )

• Delist — Mothmolevna ( © ® ) 17:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Just too small and too low in quality. It has EV in that it provides a sense of scale for the airship (the largest in the world at the time, iirc), but that doesn't make it a featured picture, just a good one for the article. Matt Deres (talk) 21:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
• Suspend nom. Neither the uploader, nor the original nominator have been notified of this delist nom. --jjron (talk) 16:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC) OK. --jjron (talk) 13:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Done 1 2 3 --Mothmolevna ( © ® ) 21:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/USS Los Angeles (ZR-3) Airship flying over southern Manhattan shows that I am actually not the original nominator of that image, although I was notified by Mothmolevna as being so; you can see from the archive of nomination discussion that I nominated a different image and it was replaced during discussion by this one as nominated by User:ScottyBoy900Q - Bevo (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Kept . --jjron (talk) 15:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Quorum not met.

[edit] Marine da nang

Reason

Oddly compelling picture but it's not used in any articles and it's a bit small by featured standards.

Nominator

Guest9999 (talk)

• Nomination cannot proceed until original uploader and/or nominator is notified (for the third time in about a week). I've even added a note to that effect to the delist template since last time, still to no effect! --jjron (talk) 06:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Original FPC nom here, previous delist nom here. --jjron (talk) 06:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry I thought I had informed the original uploader[3] five minutes after I made the nomination[4], should have looked at the log. Guest9999 (talk) 18:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• Must admit I missed that 'dead' edit on the original uploader anyway, I actually only checked the FPC nominator's talkpage as it wasn't created by a Wikipedian. All good now. --jjron (talk) 06:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

• Responding to the 'small' issue, I've gone to the source and re-uploaded the original (after cleaning up dust and scratches). Its a bit soft, but since this is the original (at least as far as the National Archives is concerned), this is as good as its going to get. My vote is for a Keep, anyway. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 17:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• I'd now have no problem withdrawing my nomination if the image can be placed in a suitable article. Guest9999 (talk) 18:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I've left a message on the Vietnam War talk page asking one of the editors if they can find a home for the image. Lets see what happens. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist the reason it isn't used in any articles because its encyclopedic value is limited, it's just a portrait snapshot of an unidentified person and it doesn't illustrate any particular activity of the Vietnam war (not even the 1965 landing at da nang), except maybe showing what a uniform of that period looked like, there are 1000s of images like this considering the popularity of photography among American military personnel that served in that war.Thisglad (talk) 22:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Added to the article Military camouflage, in the U.S. section for the vietnam war. That satisfies the needed article requirement. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Looks good. ^8thstar 00:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Resolution is good and since it is now used in an article I see no reason to delist it. As far as I can recall, when this became a FP it was used in several articles. - Darwinek (talk) 22:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Interestingly I noticed that contrary to standard procedure it was never listed which articles the image was used in in the original nom Thisglad (talk) 08:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

You may want to go and look at some other noms from 2005 - try the month this was originally nominated for example. Back then listing the articles was not standard procedure, that only came in later; some people mentioned it in their reason, some didn't. --jjron (talk) 03:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Per Darwinek--CPacker (talk) 01:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Darwinek makes a very good point. I don't see a reason to delist. Spencer^T♦C 16:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep there is nothing wrong with this picture. Clegs (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, good clarity. MrPrada (talk) 05:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 06:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Green turtle

Reason

because I like this image better

Nominator

Mbz1 (talk)

• Delist — Mbz1 (talk) 18:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Can't agree with you there. Swimmer in the background of alternate image is distracting. Kaldari (talk) 19:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

  A swimmer could be removed, but IMO a swimmer adds to the composition of the image and clearly indicates that it is not an aqurium shot.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• Kepp - dunno, I actually like the current featured better. The one you suggest looks a little empty. diego_pmc (talk) 19:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per above. crassic!^[talk] 02:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The beautiful habitat of the Hawaii waters says a lot about the species. And no distraction of the swimmer as per Kaldari.  Jingshen  16:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

• May I please just point out that I believe that turtles cannot care less about "The beautiful habitat of the Hawaii waters". The thing is that turtles do not feed on live corals. The turtules feed on sea grass as is shown in this image of mine . I do see turtles swimming by corals more or less often, but only because they are passing by from their resting (basking) ground to their feeding ground and back. I've noticed that more and more turtles feed closer to their resting ground without swimminng over corals. Here is the image, which I took from shore. You could see a turtle in a very shallow water probably feeding on sea grass and other turtle resting at the rock at the right hand side of the image.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for that extra info. is better than this image in terms of the feeding. But the FP in question has a better illustration of the environment that those turtles live in - amongst the corals.  Jingshen  02:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

• Info only. Just some information that people might find helpful in making their judgment. Original nomination for FP. and Commons nom for POTY here  Jingshen  03:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC).

• Thank you for bringing these links up. I should have done it myself. It is interesting to review them after so many months, but once again turtules do not live among corals. They only swimm by and rarely rest under corals . BTW may I please ask what do you think about these two images and (the second one was taken not to illustrate a turtle, but rather to illustrate Total internal reflection). Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Wikipedia is not a place to advocate your personal views. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 05:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• I wish I knew what you are talking about, what personal view of mine I am advacating. I believe we are having a very polite discussion what image of mine represents green turtle and they natural habitat better. May I please ask you to be more specific and tell me where exactly you see me advocating my personal views that I would not repeat this mistake in the feature. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I withdraw the nomination. Thank you all for the comments and for the votes.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Kept --jjron (talk) 08:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jet engine

Reason

Was replaced in jet engine by a more complete diagram (see Talk:Jet engine#Image:Jet engine.svg) and is no longer used in any articles.

Nominator

howcheng {chat}

• Delist — howcheng {chat} 16:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral - I would rather improve the current featured. It's a lot better looking, and understandable. diego_pmc (talk) 16:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment The term jet engine encompasses more than just turbofans, which is what user:Wolfkeeper is looking for on the talk page of jet engine. This image is specifically a gas turbine jet engine, rather than a turbofan engine. If a turbofan is a more representative type of jet engine than a gas turbine, we can use the turbofan. A while ago, I asked wolfkeeper what was wrong with the image and what he was looking for, but I can't quite understand what he needs. I'd be happy to draw a turbofan if he can tell me which FAA diagram to base it on. This image, though, is a good depiction of its type, and is not incomplete. It is aesthetically pleasing and technically competent, and it can add a lot to articles like gas turbine or turbojet. In fact, I'll add it to those articles now. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 23:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Jeff Dahl. NauticaShades 22:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep very well done and high enc. Cacophony (talk) 03:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Jeff Dahl. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep no reason (yet) to delist. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-04-29 15:14Z

Kept MER-C 05:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Agassiz statue

Reason

I actually really like this image, but the EV just isn't there. Right from the original nom it's been struggling for a place in an article. It was promoted after being shoved into San Francisco earthquake, but it's not there any longer. I can't really think of where it would really be valuable.

Nominator

jjron (talk)

• Delist — jjron (talk) 07:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom + tilted and unsharp. Mfield (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. crassic!^[talk] 03:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist this does not illustrate anything very noteworthy since there are better pictures of the earthquake damage Thisglad (talk) 05:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and info A slightly different crop of this picture has been in place in Louis Agassiz for at least the last year. I've switched it over to this version since it's substantially the same image but higher quality. If the editors on that page feel it is useful, then I'm willing to give it a pass on the EV, if only for the wonderful quip it affords. Matt Deres (talk) 03:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I considered it for there, but how much EV does this have for an article on Agassiz? It's akin to a trivia section which are discouraged in articles - it's a trivia photo if you like. I can't even understand why there's a statue of him at Stanford when he spent his career in the US at Harvard (and it's never explained in anything to do with this photo). --jjron (talk) 14:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I don't actually disagree with your position, I'm just saying that in a case like this, the fact that it's been used in an article for several months implies that the editors of the article feel it has value, which is (ultimately) the point in deciding whether it has EV or not. Call my vote a "keep vote on behalf of the article editors" or something :-). Matt Deres (talk) 00:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The incident itself is actually famous, and photos of it (possibly this one) are being used time and again in science lectures the world over. It happened to temporally coincide with the overthrowing of some of Agassiz' ideas, which is why the meme got popular (beyond the photo's comic value of a statue of a man with his head buried in the sand). That's enough EV for me. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 14:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Hmmm, I wonder which theories they would be that coincide with this. He's probably best known for his work on ice ages (still a lot of valid work there now), his anti-evolution/anti-Darwinism until his death in 1873 ('overthrown' in his lifetime), and his racial ideas (still pretty popular long after 1906). Still haven't been shown any significant link between this and any content. --jjron (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Actually, acceptance of Darwinian evolutionary theories was not universal at the time of Agassiz's death. It was not until the rediscovery of Gregor Mendel's work on genetic inheritance in 1900 (note the date) that the theory of natural selection gained a mechanism for descent. It was at that time that there was a sea change in biology and Agassiz became identified as part of the "old guard" and unfairly (IMO) mocked for not accepting a theory that (while ultimately correct) was not at all ironclad in his time. Matt Deres (talk) 00:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
      • It was more a case of waiting for the 'old guard' to die out than any lack of acceptance. Agassiz was one of the last reputable scientists with a basically creationist mindset, along with a few other old-timers from there. We see that sort of thing often, not just in science, where new ideas have to wait for the embedded hierarchy to move on before the new ideas are 'officially' universally accepted. Mendel's work provided a mechanism and helped with the then resurgent Neo-Darwinism, but the vast majority of serious scientists had long before abandoned creationist notions (certainly before Darwin's death in 1882, and indeed before Agassiz's death as well) largely due to Darwin's insights, even if they didn't fully agree with Darwin's theories for how it worked. --jjron (talk) 06:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - it's got the wow, i.e. eyecatching. "Hystorical", too.  ;-) --Janke | Talk 08:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - per above ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(shout at me)} 08:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• No vote. I sentimentally want this to stay featured, but it's not really encyclopedic for Louis Agassiz, the only real article in which the image appears. Spikebrennan (talk) 15:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 05:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Petrified Wood

Reason

Quite frankly this image no longer has the image and techinal quality to be considered an FP. The lighting is harsh and I find that the item in the top right-hand corner is distracting. Composition is poor and it just doesn't seem to be an image that we can continue to consider as being featured

Nominator

Booksworm ^{Sprechen-sie Koala?}

• Delist — Booksworm ^{Sprechen-sie Koala?} 17:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Suspend until creator (and optionally nominator since it's by a Wikipedian but wasn't a self-nom, though I think the nominator is long gone anyway) are notified about delist, as per clearly stated instructions. --jjron (talk) 07:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC) Notification done. --jjron (talk) 14:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per reasons mentioned above. —αἰτίας •discussion• 23:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist no wow. Mangostar (talk) 01:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist harsh lighting, not up to FP standards anymore. Spencer^T♦C 19:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist. It has a combination of flaws - composition, apparent sharpness (motion blur? shot without stabiliser?), DOF; lighting is not the greatest worry here. I also think that such a large mineral could and should be shot/uploaded at a higher resolution. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 00:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC) Neutral upon higher res version. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 14:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Where do you see motion blur? And a stabilizer in the scorching dessert sun??!! --Dschwen 20:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
    • There does appear to be some spherical aberration in the top left and (more so) in the top right hand sides of the image. I think that is what PLW was referring to. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 15:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Harsh lighting is a judgment call; the pic was obviously taken in full sunlight in a natural setting. Yes, it's bright, but the strength of the light is natural and helps reveal the detail and colour involved. I don't think what we're seeing here is motion blur, but mostly shallow DOF, which I don't think is terribly important given that the important depth is the depth that's in focus. Delist this one after we get a better one, IMO; it's not embarrassing itself against our other FPs. Matt Deres (talk) 17:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep It's ARIZONA. The light's going to be very bright and harsh by default. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Since the lighting is natural, i don't see it as an issue for de-listing --Kalyan (talk) 04:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Composition. Crop is too tight, angle leaves something to be desired. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 04:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
• harsh lighting is a bad joke, this is the Arizona sun. *shakes head*. It is sharp and has little noise. I'd tend to agree with Matt Deres. You'd have to delist a hell of a lot more FPs if this goes down. Keep. --Dschwen 20:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: I uploaded a new larger version. Which by the way purges and re-renders all resized versions, which look sharper now... --Dschwen 20:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Maybe it wouldn't quite pass today, but maybe it would. Definitely isn't so flawed as to merit delisting.--ragesoss (talk) 20:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Kept --NauticaShades 21:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Air Force One over Mt. Rushmore

Reason

The image doesn't seem to be upto the standards of Wikipedia's FPs anymore. At full size, the image looks very grainy. The plane also looks over contrasted to me and there seems to be white specs splattered over the trees. It's possible for the specs to be fixed but I don't think anything will reduce the amount of graininess the image suffers from.

Nominator

Save-Me-Oprah^(talk)

• Delist — Save-Me-Oprah^(talk) 03:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per general sentiment in previous delist discussion. Pstuart84 Talk 10:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. No doubt this image is amazing and it would be difficult to take another shot just like this. Jared (t)  21:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per not only one, but two previous delist discussions. NauticaShades 21:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per above. ^8thstar 02:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per known flaws, multiple delist nominations, been on the front page three times (once as FA, twice as FP), no big deal, saves us effort in the future. Let's be realistic and pragmatic about this. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 09:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • The multiple delist noms were to keep the image; I don't see what difference it makes that it's been on the front page 3 times; and it's a little condescending to imply that those wanting to keep the image are not being "realistic and pragmatic". Pstuart84 Talk 17:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist each half of the image detracts from the other; no enc value added by having both AF1 and Mt Rushmore in the same shot. Mangostar (talk) 14:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
• weak delist per nom and per Mangostar; two substandard shots in the same frame do not a featured picture make. Matt Deres (talk) 16:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per all the above ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(shout at me)} 15:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per previous discussions.--ragesoss (talk) 20:41, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 12:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Veined leaf

Reason

Low resolution, poor composition (cut off on three sides), reproducible

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 21:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist I had been meaning to nominate this one myself. Mangostar (talk) 22:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Renominate this when a better alternative has been uploaded. Currently, this image does its encyclopaedic job very well. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 08:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• weak keep per PLW; delist this when we get a better one. Matt Deres (talk) 14:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I think this does a very good job of showing the veins in a leaf. With that as it's purpose,a wider crop would just add distracting background. Clegs (talk) 17:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Nominate again when a better is available. crassic!^[talk] 17:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Per Clegs and Crassic. ^8thstar 02:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This picture is quite informative. I would wait to delist until a better picture is taken. NauticaShades 15:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist I agree a wider crop might not help but that just looks off kilter... it will still be used in the articles even if not featured. gren グレン 19:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Even worse cut-off than the one below. There are thousands of badly cut but very encyclopedic pics on Wiki - what makes this special. Motmit (talk) 19:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Because of the crop. It's a relatively easy photo to reproduce. The freddinator (talk) 20:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist As aforementioned, the way it is cropped makes it much less appealing. Otherwise if the entire leaf was shown it would be deserving of FP.-- mcshadypl ^TC 08:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 12:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coyote

Reason

Cut off, especially the ear. Cute rather than encyclopedic.

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 21:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Admittedly, the cut off ear is unfortunate, but the sharpness is excellent, and I doubt this kind of shot would be easily reproducable. --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 10:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist noisy background, subject cutoff in awkward manner. Matt Deres (talk) 14:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Very difficult shot to reproduce (trust me, I am a photographer who takes quite a few animals pics). He had to have been using a huge zoom to get that close a shot without the coyote looking at him, and the sharpness is spot-on. Clegs (talk) 17:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist I'm certain that a better photo could be taken. crassic!^[talk] 17:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Until better photo is taken. ^8thstar 02:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a high quality image, and must have been difficult to take. The crop is somewhat tight, but it does not detract too much from the image. NauticaShades 15:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep despite the cut off ear it is still a high quality image and of course probably quite difficult to reproduce. Cat-five - talk 05:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - the Van Gogh effect is unfortunate, but still a FP. ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(shout at me)} 09:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Cut-off is not an issue, high detail and enc value. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-05-20 18:22Z
• Keep for now. Ideally, we should see the whole subject, but I don't see strong evidence for overthrowing the original decision. Anyway, enjoyed the humour @kennedy! Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Thank you! I'm glad someone does :) ← κεηηε∂γ ^(talk) 13:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist cut-off of the ear is unacceptable for the highest accolade. Also the placement is less than ideal. Does not prevent it being considered a useful enc pic, which has valuable place in articles, until a complete head is available Motmit (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep It's still a very good photo. Andrew₁₈ ^@ 19:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 12:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eiffel Tower

Reason

Very blurry; more notable for artistic lighting than encyclopeidic value.

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 21:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Blurry, but high rez outweighs that. Good composition: artsy lighting, but perfect angle for detail. It isn't perfect, but it is really good. At least until Diliff can be dispatched...--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 01:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep This is one of my favorite pictures. I forgot it was this unsharp, but otherwise, it's very nice, mainly because of the cute composition. Blieusong (talk) 06:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep It's a good photo, but the sharpness is a little iffy for a featured picture. crassic!^[talk] 17:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I don't find sharpness bad at all; it's eight megapixels, and the level of detail in the picture is comparable to recent FPs. Thegreenj 22:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. Mfield (talk) 04:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep a little blurry admittedly but still overall a good picture and fp worthy. Cat-five - talk 06:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist An important and interesting subject gets the dreaded sillouette treatment because someone notices the sky is a different colour at dawn. All detail of the subject is lost behind an awful glare. Delist and take this and others of its ilk out of Wiki articles Motmit (talk) 19:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 12:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mechanical mouse cutaway

Reason

Falls far short of the resolution requirements, and some parts are a bit grainy (the shadow).

Nominator

Reguiieee (talk)

• Delist until there is an SVG version Keep — Reguiieee (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist photo used for mouse is out of focus & not an excellent diagram, just mediocre, it could be redrawn into a much better svg Thisglad (talk) 02:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• Wasting your time This is silly. Go CREATE SOMETHING instead of wrangling to pull stuff down. I don't see history for either one of you - Reguiieee, Thisglad. Is this your job here to be non-contributing critics?! Drama. (The image creator) jk (talk) 05:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Allow me to clarify: I am NOT trying to assert that I know better than everyone else. I am NOT demanding anyone to follow my opinions. This is a democratic process that represents a wider judgment. I am willing to accept my own mistake; please do not insult me. Reguiieee (talk) 11:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Oops. My apologies on the emotion here. It becomes very frustrating, though, when I pour a great deal of effort into this project only to have the work dismissed without a viable alternative. Got something better? I bow to the improvement. But saying something does not meet "a standard" just irritates. I suppose you could say that your criticism is a form of contribution... I am curious what you mean by "resolution requirements" and need a reference here to guide me. I am very willing to improve this image - bear in mind that it did take me about 20 hours to complete. Can you give me a little more detail here about graininess and how you would improve the SVG portion? And, alas, I seem to have misplaced the mouse image file and will have to recreate that entirely. (The image creator) jk (talk) 05:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
      • There was a link in the original nomination to the Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria which explain the "resolution requirements". Criterion 2 states it should be a minimum 1000px in the shortest dimension. While this was probably promoted prior to this requirement, this does fall well short of this 'standard', at only 530 x 436px. Re the graininess, if you look at the photo parts, especially visible in the shadowy area, you'll see that it looks 'speckled' rather than smooth. I think the issue here is more to do with the original mouse image you have used, which is small, grainy, and not well focussed, so not having that is possibly not such a problem, as I think you'd really need a better photo to base it off. I assume you still have the drawn SVG part? If so, would it be hard to combine that with a better quality mouse photo to meet the concerns? You might be able to find a suitable photo on Commons that you could use. Don't know, just trying to help :-). --jjron (talk) 14:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
        • Yep - I found and and added that link to the resolution reqs. The image needs to be refurbished. (image creator) jk (talk) 21:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Fully agree with jk. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • is that a valid reason to keep, perhaps you should clarify what exactly are you agreeing with? Thisglad (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Where is the SVG version, Thisglad? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
      • There can't be... not with a photograph of the mouse... gren グレン 19:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
        • Thisglad seems to be offering one. I think he should provide. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
          • I don't think you understood what I wrote, maybe you should read it again, I did not offer to draw a SVG illustration of the mouse parts depicted in this blurry photograph, although I said it was possible considering we have much more detailed SVG diagrams than this, in spite of the fact that this is based on a photograph, the quality of the photography is not featured quality Thisglad (talk) 08:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
            • I think I understood quite well. Unfortunately, we can't do a delist and replace until we have something to replace *with*. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 09:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep big enough and good enough. I'm not sure how much a larger version would help but I see no reason to delist. gren グレン 11:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. It's perfectly legitimate to vote "delist" without proposing a replacement. Thisglad clearly wasn't offering a replacement, simply that he thought that a better version could be produced. Pstuart84 Talk 15:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • And it is perfectly valid to question the purpose of an exercise that clearly is not improving the encyclopaedia, but instead wasting contributors' time. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
    • (1) If you think it's wasting contributors' time, no-one's forcing them to join in; (2) you can question the purpose but it seemed like you were harassing thisglad for a perfectly reasonable delist vote; and (3) you say it's not improving the encyclopaedia, but the delist process serves to raise the average quality of the collection of featured pictures. There's been quite a bit of goading by users on FPC lately when the spirit can and should be positive and constructive. Pstuart84 Talk 20:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Are you saying they shouldn't join Wikipedia? Are you asking people to leave? Or are you saying we should just abandon the community spirit and leave all the delisting to you, while others slave away trying to create content, that you, our Fuehrer, consider good enough? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
        • Can we retain some perspective here please? I don't think WP:CIVIL is a bad place to start and this Führer stuff is pretty inflammatory. You throw around bold assertions like "an exercise that clearly is not improving the encyclopedia" and resort to cheap insults when someone takes issue with the claim. Pstuart84 Talk 22:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
          • I'm sorry, you're being very keen to defend a questionable practice that you are one of the main protagonists of. You should have expected questions about your behaviour to be raised, especially when you suggest that people should entirely abandon the thin veil that some people mistake for democracy around here. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
            • Could you please identify the "questionable practice" that you say I'm engaged in and my "behaviour" about which you say questions need to be raised? Perhaps you could provide some diffs? Pstuart84 Talk 10:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
              • Your main effort at FPC is directed at demoting images. It seems that you feel elevated when you can find a flaw in something someone else has done. Let me tell you, that kind of attitude is highly injurious. Every time you nominate an image for delisting, a content contributor gets hurt, gets upset, and may end up hating you and others expressing support for the motion. Some of these people will reduce their efforts in content creation. In addition to that, some of those who expressed opinions in favour of an image at its original nomination may feel that the effort they took in judging the image and coming to a balanced judgement is being overturned. Add to that all the people participating in previous delist discussions, if there are any. The individuals contributing to this project are about the only resource that we have. You diss their work, you kill the project. Think about it. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
                • Well we got there in the end. If you think my main effort here is delisting images, then you should look at 2 years worth of contributions, rather than what you've seen in the three months you've been here. There's nothing wrong with engaging in the delist process - standards change and images can be delisted without anyone's feelings being hurt (and there's certainly no intent to hurt feelings). Indeed, you've voted to delist images in the past: [5], [6]. It's part of the project and noone deserves to be harassed and insulted for taking part. Pstuart84 Talk 14:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
                  • The delicate theme of this delist discussion, as I've tried to explain to you, is who is harassing whom. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
• Comment While the specific mechanical issues referenced here are valid (SVG format and resolution), the picture is also listed because of the concept of the image; what it teaches and illustrates. Though I was put off by the insult F-word above, I agree with the spirit of PLW's argument here. Critique takes vastly less energy than creation. It must be done with a great deal of care and consideration and concrete arguments. If you review your contributions to the 'pedia, you might reconsider your focus if you see that MOST of your energy is going toward reducing the offerings vs. increasing them. This is a vast resource for the large community of educators who rely on right-free imagery, for instance, and even marginal work serves a public good. Now let's wrap this discussion and go out and BUILD STUFF! (image creator) jk (talk) 16:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delist This should be a SVG diagram with text labels. It wouldn't be difficult for someone to make vast improvements on. Cacophony (talk) 22:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • My goal in using the numbers was to allow for easier localization. Is it better practice to require the editors in other languages to dig into the image file itself to translate? (The image creator) jk (talk) 05:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Here is another example of this technique:
• Delist If this was being nominated for FPC now, rather than as a delist, I am 99% certain that it would get unanimous opposes, citing the low resolution and dithering. Apart from that, one of the questions I ask myself when looking at FPCs is, "Would I be disappointed if I saw this as picture of the day on the main page?" (I know it's not one of the official criteria, but it is useful). In this case, I'm afraid the answer is a definite yes. Compare it to something like Image:Personal computer, exploded 6.svg which has been nominated above and seems to be going for not featured (0 Support, 3 Oppose). Time3000 (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Apparently still falls under the best WP has to offer and still an adequately good image to be featured. Cat-five - talk 03:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 08:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rolling thunder cloud

Reason

Definitely no longer meets the size requirements and not a very impressive picture.

Nominator

Crassic! (talk)

Previous nominations

1, 2

• Delist — Crassic! (talk) 00:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Please link previous delist discussion. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment And the second one too (which I for some reason couldn't get to link normally). Matt Deres (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep This image is practically unrepeatable. WP:IGNORE would come into play here, I believe. It's too good an image to let the normal size parameters force it into a delist. Not a very impressive picture? You go out and take a more impressive one of a storm. That is one of the most impressive pictures I have seen. Clegs (talk) 12:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. AGAIN, as per my reasons on every other delist discussion. --jjron (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I wouldn't say it was "practically unrepeatable." Matt Deres (talk) 13:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• Yeah, I'd say our image is superior to both of those. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• I've seen nothing with the impact of this though. The cloud over the city gives a stunning indication of the scale of the cloud and storm. Great stuff. --jjron (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Original nomination here FWIW. --jjron (talk) 14:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep--Mbz1 (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist As much as I appreciate the scale and positioning of the shot, I just can't see how it can be an FP when it's no bigger than a large thumbnail. It's disappointing; the viewer clicks on it hoping to get really blown away and is left with a snapshot sized pic. This is a well-defined front, but storms occur every day; someone get Diliff some galoshes or something... Matt Deres (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist these kind of clouds aren't that rare anyway see [7] & [8] which are all in the public domain as well Thisglad (talk) 02:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Haven't seen anything that's better than the image we have. There is a bigger version available if (see LiquidGhoul's comment in the discussion I cited above) if resolution is a problem for others. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • it is upsampled arbitrarily rather than an original higher resolution from the source Thisglad (talk) 01:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep until we can get another image with comparable or better impact. --Janke | Talk 14:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Janke (& others). Still a very striking photo. Pete Tillman (talk) 05:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Not very impressive? Are we looking at the same picture? --Calibas (talk) 06:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - far too small.... but this is a stunning image - Peripitus (Talk) 13:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Per above. ^8thstar 03:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Kept MER-C 08:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Replaced

[edit] Bird beaks named

Reason

Because an earlier version of Image:BirdBeaksA.svg was had items numbered rather than labelled, the herewith nominated image was made an FP to replace the numbered version. However, Shyamal subsequently uploaded an more comprehensive and labelled version at the original place, Image:BirdBeaksA.svg. Since the original concerns have been addressed, and the new version is more comprehensive than Jeff Dahl's branch of it, the trunk should now replace the temporal branch (I hope you can follow) as to FP status. Separa (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Nominator

Separa (talk)

• Delist and replace — Separa (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. Spikebrennan (talk) 19:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 02:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. Clegs (talk) 18:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace Second chart is better. --Sharkface217 02:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Replaced MER-C 02:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mustard Edit

Versions

Edit Noise reduction and lightening of background

Edit 2 Noise reduction only

Unedited Version

Reason

OK in the interests of transparency as per discussion here I'll do a renom. Note this version had already been promoted over the original by MER-C, however this got reverted because some users felt the original had the majority of support in the original nom. So just to make it clear to everyone this picture is already a FP and this nomination is only here to choose between the versions - if you don't think this image should be an FP you'll need to nominate it for delisting

Articles this image appears in

Mustard (condiment) (if promoted)

Creator

Rainer Zenz edited by Fir0002

• Speedy Replace with Edit Obvious improvement Fir0002 09:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment The edit has reduced noise, but I prefer the shading in the original. The edit looks more flat and edited than the original does, and the noise is only in the white background, so doesn't effect the actual subject much. Is there a way to reduce the noise but keep the shading the same. At the moment I think I prefer the original over the edit because of this. Chris_huh^talk 12:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Yeah I could probably do that - I'll try do it sometime today --Fir0002 22:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
    • That looks better, i Support the edit2 without the lightening alteration. Chris_huh^talk 14:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - As far as I know this is not the right place to propose a replacement. And the FP is the original, not the edited version, otherwise nothing of this makes sense -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support original, Oppose edit - The original should have been promoted, not the edit. People may vote in an seemingly inconsistent fashion, but that's no reason to promote an edit that people didn't really consider. -- RM 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

  The original IS FP, now this edit is done, which is why we vote here, and since the edit is better, Support Edit Yzmo ^talk 21:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

  Re: RM "there's no reason to promote an edit that people didn't really consider"... that's entirely the point of this nomination. Consider the edit now! What should/shouldn't have happened is entirely irrelevant --Fir0002 22:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

  I'll admit, I don't know if there is still controversy over this issue, but I prefer the original. Comparing them at the same magnification, I prefer the original's level of contrast. -- RM 23:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment/Weak oppose for the moment - the lightening in the edit seems to have caught the edges of some of the mustards where they come near to or over the edge of the spoon - most obviously the very tip of the bottom left mustard has gone grey-green; less obviously so have the top-left and bottom-right edges of the middle right mustard, and very marginally the top-left of the top-right mustard. I appreciate this is a tricky task, and the error is by no means huge; but perhaps enough at the moment to make me marginally prefer the original, as the shading and noise reduction only affect the background so don't affect encyclopedicity, whereas the errors affect the subject. If these things can be fixed I do marginally prefer the new shading, and getting rid of the background noise is good. TSP (talk) 00:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Edit 2, second preference original - as I say, I'd be happy with the lightening, but the colour alteration to the edges of some of the mustards isn't worth it. TSP (talk) 14:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Replace with Edit (as done in original promotion, and as is standard practice to promote an obviously improved version of an image). --jjron (talk) 07:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support Edit 2, second preference original as per TSP. Samsara (talk • contribs) 18:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Replace with Edit. Better version. Kaldari (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support Edit 2 - Just barely...the lightened one is too much change. pschemp | talk 05:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support Edit 1 --Joopercoopers (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Replaced with Image:Senf-Variationen edit2.jpg {{{2}}} MER-C 08:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Big Ben Clock Tower

Reason

In the recent nomination Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Big Ben on blue sky a reprocessed version of the current FP was introduced fairly late in the discussion. Once the new version was introduced there seemed to be a fairly strong consensus, including from the photographer, to replace the current version with the update, however the original was kept. I'm thus proposing a Delist of the current FP to be Replaced with the reprocessed version. Note this is not a discussion to delist the current FP, only to change the version that is featured.

Nominator

jjron (talk)

• Delist and replace. Note, this is not just a delist nom. — jjron (talk) 14:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• delist and replace, per nom Clegs (talk) 21:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep original. I like the darker sky much more, and especially near the top the original seems a bit sharper. Also if the sky actually was dark blue, no reason to change it just for aesthetics :D\=< (talk) 03:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Waiting for Diliff to drop by, but he says on the previous nom linked above where he offered this version "...I think the sky was actually not quite as dull in the original as it seems (poor processing in the first place on my part, I think)...". He also says here "...it is my preference to replace the old version as I think it is a bit dull and not as representative of the conditions that day.". --jjron (talk) 03:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep original Per above. The darker sky looks much better. —αἰτίας •discussion• 04:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep original. The darker sky looks fine. Kaldari (talk) 17:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist/replace If you carefully read the above comments and the details of the original nom, the reprocessed version is more accurate and truthful. Like the red newt nom from a while back, the fact that the dark sky color is more appealing is immaterial, given that it is false and a result of processing/manipulation. --Malachirality (talk) 19:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • When you view the whole thing in the thumbnail, it's kind of washed out.. the bright stone of the tower really contrasts sharply against the dark sky. The lighter sky sort of blends into it :D\=< (talk) 03:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
• delist and replace the reprocessed version looks much more natural to me Mfield (talk) 13:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace per earlier discussion. --Janke | Talk 06:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep original - I like the darker sky. It makes the golden colour of the tower stand out better. TheOtherSiguy (talk) 00:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep edit The dark background takes away from the overall quality, imo. crassic!^[talk] 22:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delist and replace crassic!^[talk] 01:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delist and replace Looks better. ^8thstar 00:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Replaced MER-C 09:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Roman Baths of Bath, England

Reason

Firstly, yes, this is already a FP, but I was never really happy with the sky (too pale and slightly purple), the colour of the water (too green) or the contrast. I've been going through some of my old work and improving on it where possible, putting more time into it and using new techniques. I think I've been able to improve significantly on the colour reproduction and contrast of this shot. I'm not sure what we eventually decided last time this issue was raised, but I'm proposing that if this version is supported, we replace the old FP with it. From memory, consensus seemed to point towards doing it all within this nomination, but I'm not fussed.

For the record, the original nomination is here.

Oh, and rather than adding a new image, I've overwritten the original image that was not promoted (an edit was eventually promoted). I noticed that Mediawiki seems to be displaying the old thumbnail still. Be sure to load the full image to compare. It should be visibly different, probably even from the thumbnail.

Articles this image appears in

None as yet, but thecurrent FP is in Tourism, Aquae Sulis, Bath and North East Somerset, Thermae, Roman Baths (Bath) and History of Somerset.

Creator

User:Diliff

• Support as nominator Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment please purge the generated thumbnails when doing a comparison between old and new files. Otherwise it is misleading due to the changed thumbnail generation parameters which apply a sharpening filer now. --Dschwen 16:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Wasn't aware of how previously, although I've tried following those steps and I'm still seeing the old thumbnail of the proposed replacement. Hmm. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC) Nevermind, it kicked in and is displaying ok now. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Support replacement. WP:BYPASS. I was talking of the thumbnail of the to-be-replaced version, and I already purged that one :-). I like new version for its better projection (showing slightly more of the buildings) and removal of the grayish haze. --Dschwen 16:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Ah right. Yeah, I could have included slightly more of the building but I couldn't get rid of a parallax-induced stitching error on the arch, and cropped it out instead. ;-) Yeah, some of my old photos do have a bit of a 'haze' - it was my inexperience in squeezing dynamic range out of a RAW file. The result was often poor contrast. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
        • So what are you doing differently now? --Dschwen 16:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support replacement New one is indeed much better - already as a thumb. --Janke | Talk 16:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support replacement New one is great, even looking at the thumb, colours are richer and the definition far greater. Capital photographer (talk) 16:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• I think consensus was to do a "Delist and replace" as I did recently with your Big Ben image. Anyway, I guess it gets more traffic up here... --jjron (talk) 17:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support replacement Replacement is just MUCH better quality. crassic!^[talk] 21:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support Replacement. An improvement on an already impressive picture. NauticaShades 22:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support. A nice improvement on a great picture. Kaldari (talk) 22:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support replacement Much better quality, richer and deeper colors, sharper, etc. The original FP is good, this one is excellent. Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Replace better colours and more realistic --H92110 (talk) 07:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support Replacement And I'm liking the facial hair in your new picture. ;-) -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 16:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support Replacement —αἰτίας •discussion• 23:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support Replacement - no question. Motmit (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. In both the current FP and the proposed replacement, some of the the (upper left to lower right) lines in the building to the left look curved. Is this unavoidable? Spikebrennan (talk) 14:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Not sure specifically which lines you refer to, but yes, any curved lines are due to the projection used. Rectilinear projection would protect the straight lines but distort the view too much. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:05, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I was referring to the "bottom" of the triangular pediment, and the top and bottom of the tiled roof. Your explanation makes sense, though. Support replacement. Spikebrennan (talk) 15:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - I think the colours are too bold, and don't look natural. The original is therefore better in my opinion. 84.69.242.57 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
• Support replace. the new is slightly better than the old, but slightly better is still better. Spinach Dip 02:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Replaced with Image:Roman Baths in Bath Spa, England - July 2006.jpg. MER-C 05:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Colibri thalassinus

Reason

I would like to replace the image to the edited version. The original image is too tight crop.

Nominator

Laitche

• Delist and replace to the edited version. Laitche (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. Edit has a much better crop. Unsigned message by User:Clegs oops :-) Clegs (talk) 20:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace Per nom. Nice shot, by the way. --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 17:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. What they said. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. What Papa Lima says they said. ^8thstar 02:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. What 8thstar says Papa Lima Whiskey says they said. Matt Deres (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. What Matt Deres says 8thstar says Papa Lima Whiskey says they said. Spencer^T♦C 14:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. What... never mind. NauticaShades 15:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace Another pile-on vote. :) This is just a great photo, in either instance. crassic!^[talk] 22:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Be kiss'd and rejoice. What Papa Lima Whiskey was ever so touched they say he said. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 07:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace - Per above, and above that, and above that etc... ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(shout at me)} 09:17, 20 May 2008

(UTC)

• Delist and Replace - What a difference a very slight change of cut makes. Brilliant transformation - it should be kept and put up as an example Motmit (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Replaced with Image:Colibri-thalassinus-001-edit.jpg. MER-C 12:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nuclear weapon

Reason

Fails size requirement, not very informative (and SVG preferred).

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 14:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Happy to replace once there's an SVG version with English labels rather than numbers. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• I have uploaded a version with English labels but every time illustrator opened the original file, there was a slight color change in the gun barrel. Muhammad(talk) 16:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Removed image to simplify this process. Muhammad(talk) 03:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist original, replace with numbered version, Oppose English labeled version. Much better to have the labels in the caption, that way the same Commons image can be used for many languages. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 18:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
  • You're in the wrong place. This is not Commons. This is the English Wikipedia. Thanks for taking note. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Uploaded a version with the gradient preserved (labeled v. 2). Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• BTW, the original version has the components in reverse order. I don't know whether this makes any difference. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

As for the question of the elements being in the reversed order, for an encyclopedia in my opinion it doesn't matter, but amongst purists they now think (as of only a few years ago) that the elements go in the reverse order than the original. See the Little Boy article for more information. --Fastfission (talk) 22:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment On the 4th one - Iranium? That's either a whole new element or a really bad political joke. Mfield (talk) 22:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Ah! This was made a FP almost four years ago now! How our standards have changed, mostly for the better. I'm fine with de-listing it, to be honest. This version is not even used in any articles anymore. If you are going to make a new SVG version with English language, please take care to spell the component names correctly. --Fastfission (talk) 22:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
  • What, because you're so busy helping out? Takes two minutes to download and edit in Inkscape if you're a creature with opposable thumbs. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I changed it. Mfield (talk) 03:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Thanks Mfield. Kudos for stepping in. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 11:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and Replace. I prefer The third SVG version myself. NauticaShades 21:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. I wasn't a fan of the original, but I think the cyan lines are very intrusive compared to the original lines. What do you think? I just can't imagine this one passing today if it were a fresh nom. Pstuart84 Talk 22:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment I agree on the lines, I created Version 5 just to confuse things even more. Mfield (talk) 23:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Looks like it might not be using a web safe font in the SVG versions. Kaldari (talk) 23:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Changed V5 to use web safe Arial instead, the original SVG was in Bitstream Vera Sans which whilst it's a great free font, is far from web safe. Mfield (talk) 23:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace with v5. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 13:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace ^8thstar 20:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace with v5. Teque5 (talk) 04:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace with v5 Mfield (talk) 12:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
• Why does this remind me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail? MER-C 13:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Repaced with Image:Gun-type fission weapon en-labels thin lines.svg. MER-C 08:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mercury

Reason

A larger, color version of the same image is now available. Original nominator notified.

Nominator

howcheng {chat}

• Replace — howcheng {chat} 22:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Replace with edit 1 Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
• Conditional replace with Edit 1 or Edit 2 if cropped to a square like the original photo. (I think a square crop for objects like this would be easier to use in articles.) Thanks for the heads-up, Howcheng. Spikebrennan (talk) 20:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree in principle, although I don't think the crop of the "original" was particularly lucky either. I think the dark side should be fully contained in the frame, with an appropriate margin, so that image is centred on the actual centre of the planet. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
    • What he said. Spikebrennan (talk) 17:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
• Replace I believe the square crop is claustrophobic and not ideal for illustrating things in space. A wider aspect ratio provides more context and is more pleasant to the eye. The wide crop also allows people who use the image (for presentations, in publications) more freedom to present it as they wish. Capital photographer (talk) 13:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm with Capital photographer on this; I can't speak directly for how well the thumbnail fits into the article either way, but I do find the wider shot more pleasing to the eye. YMMV, I guess. Matt Deres (talk) 17:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I'd think that most people who produce presentations and publications would be competent enough to add whichever amount of black space they need around the object, by themselves. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 22:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
• Uploaded Edit1. --jjron (talk) 15:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
• Replace with Edit1. --jjron (talk) 15:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
• Replace I'm leaning towards edit 1, but Capital Photographer presents a good argument.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 16:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Well the original with lots of space is always there. Its not being deleted, and the edit by jjron has a link to the original uncropped image. Muhammad(talk) 11:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and Replace with Edit 1. The crop allows more detail in the thumbnail. NauticaShades 23:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I removed edit 2 as it turned out to be very similar to edit 1. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 08:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and Replace with Edit 1. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 13:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace with edit 1, Though Capital Photographer makes a good point. Spencer^T♦C 14:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Replaced with Image:Mercury in color - Prockter07-edit1.jpg. MER-C 03:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delisted

[edit] Meissner effect

thumb|200px|Meissner effect using a high-temperature superconductor and powerful Rare-earth magnet. "In the late 1980s, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory researchers conducted research into superconductors. The ceramic superconductors are made from a material that has only very low alternating-current resistance and thus dissipates less power. Magnetic forces between the magnet and ceramic superconductor provide a magnetic cushion that keeps the magnet suspended above the superconductor. Liquid nitrogen cools the superconductor to about 77 Kelvin, producing the magnetic cushion." From the Pacific northwest national lab. March 1987.

Reason

Not available with a free license. Copyright status at PNNL website states that documents may be used for non-commercial, scientific and educational use. Papa November (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Nominator

Papa November (talk)

• Delist — Papa November (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - How did this go from public domain to unfree license? I've been going through the history and I'm not exactly sure how that happened. May you explain it first? --ZeWrestler ^Talk 17:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia's image use policy only considers images to be "free" if they are also free for commercial use. This image was produced by the PNNL, and although it is a US federal government institution it states on its website that all its documents are for non-commercial use only. This has been noted previously at Template talk:PD-USGov-DOE. Papa November (talk) 17:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 02:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lower Yellowstone Fall-1200px.jpg

Reason

This was one of those images that originally passed its FP nomination when the criteria were not as stringent as it is now. Please view in full size: There are a lot of jpeg artifacts and noise in the clouds, it lacks sharpness, and it's not particularly strong color-wise. All of these facts are more significant due to the image's size, which is just barely above the required dimensions. Smaller images typically hide sharpness and jpeg issues, but they're just as noticeable here.

Nominator

DMCer™

• Delist — DMCer™ 07:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Did you notify the photographer? MER-C 13:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep listed until there's proof that DMCer has notified the photographer on either his en. or commons. talk page; delist per nom unless photo can be fixed by its creator. -- Mike (Kicking222) 21:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
• Grant 1 year delist protection and extend that to 2 years if the nominator doesn't notify the photographer by signed courier within 8 hours, this is really just unacceptable. :D\=< (talk) 04:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

• Whoa there chief; I've notified him. Honest mistake, I lost track of one too many windows (that can happen when you have 140 tabs open). —DMCer™ 05:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

• • • Don't worry, ffroth is a tad on the humourist side. 140 tabs, eh? thats... a lot o.0: --Mad Tinman _{T C} 23:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
      • And for any budding tab counters using Firefox, here's TabCount for status bar, and Tab Counter for menu bar! Samsara noadmin (talk) 17:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
        • I think when we were going for the 500,000th article on Wikipedia, I had about 100 new article windows open at a single time, and then tabbed between them to save them all at once... I still didn't get it :) — BRIAN0918 • 2008-02-07 16:03Z
• Evaluate different version I'm surprised that old version is still around. A higher res and cleaned-up version is here: Image:Lower Yellowstone Fall.JPG. --mav (talk) 05:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: It's definitely higher-res, but I think the same problems plague this one as well. Why was the smaller one nominated for FP instead?—DMCer™ 08:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delist The new one is just as badly artifacted as the old. I believe all the proper protocol has been followed here, so I'm going to go with Delist. This would never even make it past PPR on today's Wiki. Clegs (talk) 16:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delist easily reproduced/improved. Cacophony (talk) 03:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist, not that exceptional. --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 06:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mccoy Tyner 1973 gh.jpg

Reason

While I think this is an interesting shot, I do not think it reflects the very best that Wikipedia has to offer due to the small size of the image and lack of detail. It also fails to be encyclopedic since it doesn't actually illustrate what this gentleman is doing (if we didn't already know). I have placed a note on the uploader's talk page.

Nominator

Matt Deres (talk)

• Delist — Matt Deres (talk) 02:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. Clegs (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist: Due to its small size. I think it illustrates the activity just fine, as the intent is to portray his expression, but the contrast just looks too artificial and leaves a lot to be desired.—DMCer™ 02:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as FP, res is lowish but otherwise it's a great and encyclopedic image of McCoy Tyner doing his thing. --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

• I can't tell what he is doing. I know nothing about him, and all I can tell is that it's a picture of someone in profile. This would actually fit the definition of unencyclopedic. Clegs (talk) 01:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)C

• Delist per nom. If 'his thing' is being obscured by a blurry box then maybe he's 'doing' it, but I honestly can't see much to recommend this (I'll be honest, I didn't know who this was, and whenever I've seen this in FP I've wondered what he was doing. I had guessed he was a musician, but always thought he was probably playing the guitar behind that blurry box - I had to go to the article to determine that he's probably playing the piano here, and the box is the piano. It's actually a nice, rather artistic, photo, but it doesn't meet most of the key FP criteria). --jjron (talk) 12:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
• Question Why does it have to show him "doing his thing"? This is McCoy Tyner, that alone should be enough. Portraits of notable individuals meet the enc criterion, nothing else required. Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree with that, but I don't think it's a very good portrait as such (despite its artistic merits). If he was clearly 'doing his thing' that may compensate for it not being such a good photo of him, but this sort of falls into a middle no-man's land - it's not a particularly illustrative photo of the man, and he's not clearly doing what he's famous for. The only reason it came up was that this was the reason given for a 'keep' vote. And either way, it is still clearly well outside some other criteria. --jjron (talk) 07:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 11:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Love or duty

Reason

I was rather surprised to find this promoted image in the Archives (nom here). Given I visit FP almost daily, I was surprised an image had been promoted in the last week that I had never even seen. I then found that a few editors had colluded to have this image promoted for Valentine’s Day, and this image had spent less than two days on FPC before promotion.

Sorry, with no offence meant to anyone involved (who I’m sure were all acting with the best of intentions), this is entirely inappropriate. This image needs to be delisted and go through a proper FPC candidacy. Whether it meets criteria is not really relevant; what is relevant is that it has not had to go through the process that all other images do. Let its status be determined properly please.

Nominator

jjron (talk)

• Delist and renominate properly according to requirements. Certain privileged editors are not above the requirements. — jjron (talk) 06:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• No objection if the procedural issue gives serious offense. Durova^Charge! 06:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • No objection here either. Spikebrennan (talk) 22:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC). Is the issue that it was promoted out of its turn in the queue, or that it had only spent two days on FPC? What are the applicable rules for this? (I'm not trying to argue with you; but I took a quick look at the top of the FPC page and at the page that describes FP criteria and didn't see a description of the protocol that you are saying was violated.)
    • Start of the third paragraph at the top of this page: "For promotion, if an image is listed here for about seven days with four or more opinions in support...". If it was up for say five days, and clearly going to get through I wouldn't worry, but two days is a bit beyond it. --jjron (talk) 06:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Gotcha, thanks. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

  Rules can be ignored, especially if there is consensus to do so. MER-C 07:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• So can I ignore the rule that says I have to put my noms up on FPC at all - why I don't just tag them FP and pop them in the archives. Gee, WP:IAR says I can do so. --jjron (talk) 11:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Spikebrennan had a spur-of-the-moment idea that seemed like a really fun and positive thing. I trust he intended it respectfully - I certainly did. If it causes other hardworking editors offense, then by all means take it down and renominate. Yet I'll also ask the other editors here to please head over to the FPC talk page and help compile a list of holiday FP requests so we can do this kind of thing on a long enough time frame that everyone is satisfied. Best regards, Durova^Charge! 23:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delist. I did think I saw something weird when I noticed an FP that I thought had just been nominated to FPC. It's unfair to the others having to wait months for their FP to show up on the main page. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-02-17 05:26Z
• Delist Unfairly promoted. Muhammad(talk) 17:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and renom I didn't like this project either, it was too last minute. Clegs (talk) 19:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• I don't know why we're having a discussion about whether we are going to have a discussion (it reminds me of Macbeth act 1 scene 1) so it's best if we tackle the underlying issue. Is there another reason, apart from process, why this shouldn't be featured? MER-C 07:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Precedent, consistency, fairness... Look, I've seen noms up here (in fact I've had noms of my own) that have had nothing but supports after the first day or two, that have later been shot down. In future, shall I just put them through as promoted once they pick up four supports? You specifically pointed out to Dengero that closing after two days was innappropriate, but had already done the same thing yourself. --jjron (talk) 11:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist. It's more important to enforce fair procedures than to have this listed because if procedures aren't enforced then crappy images can get in or good images can be ignored and the whole system breaks down-- I call this a mistrial. Delist the thing (honestly, why does this even need a delist discussion, just rip that FP tag off since it's not a featured picture; just "rv vandalism") and renom it so we can get this thing featured already, it's a good image. :D\=< (talk) 18:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Delisted . --John254 06:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cerro de la Silla

Reason

Low technical quality, no "wow".

Nominator

Mangostar (talk)

• Delist — Mangostar (talk) 17:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep — I still think it's good. DiligentTerrier • talk |sign here 18:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral — I'm not a regular on FPC and thus can't judge my own picture according to current standards. I can tell you that I don't have a larger resolution version of the picture, so what you see is what you get (unless you want the original version, with more sky and more city). --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 04:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist flat lighting, haze. No inherent barrier to getting a better version (suggest sunrise after rainshower). Durova^Charge! 18:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

• Could you clarify your suggestion? This shot was taken in the late afternoon; I doubt that the lighting would be very good at sunrise from this angle. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 02:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delist Per Durova--CPacker (talk) 20:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
• delist per nom Matt Deres (talk) 01:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Delisted . --John254 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Caterpillar feeding

Reason

Fir's pictures (and our FP bug pictures) have come a long way since this. Very little of the caterpillar is in focus at all.

Nominator

Mangostar (talk)

• Delist — Mangostar (talk) 17:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist — per nom. DiligentTerrier • talk |sign here 18:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep interesting bug, photo isn't that bad... de Bivort 15:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom, though I do agree it's an interesting bug... Matt Deres (talk) 23:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Per nom. ^8thstar 22:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Per Debivort--CPacker (talk) 04:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. Cacophony (talk) 00:50, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. It probably doesn't meet Fir's standards anymore, either.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 02:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep It is nice image.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Overexposed background --Mike Spenard (talk) 02:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 05:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I-80 Eastshore Fwy

Reason

What appears to be excessive noise reduction has left this image smeary. Poor contrast. Such an easily re-takable image should be have much higher IQ

Nominator

Mfield (talk)

• Delist — Mfield (talk) 12:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep It shows the road and cars great.--CPacker (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist. Easily replaceable. Heck, I've got a B/W print of the 405 in LA that works just as well as this. howcheng {chat} 01:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep BigHairRef | Talk 00:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC) I honestly can't see the issues withthis photograph, it's not like you need to be able to see which finger each driver's got up his nose. The picture's plenty sharp enough for me and I'm displaying it on WuXGA monitor, especially when it's going to be no more than a couple of inches across on most screens anyway, it won't be anywhere near noticable)
• Delist This was nominated 3 years ago, standards have changed since then. This could easily be retaken with better lighting. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 14:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per above. crassic\^talk 18:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
• weak keep Not a horrible shot, and I'd feel better about delisting if we had a replacement at the ready. I use the "a better shot could be taken" line when critiquing a fresh candidate, but it seems out of place somehow to use it on a delist - go ahead and delist when the better shot gets taken, y'know? Matt Deres (talk) 22:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
• Weak delist. Agree that it likely wouldn't pass now, mainly for lack of 'wow'. Quality is acceptable (at the low end of). Could definitely be improved on. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 08:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prokaryote cell diagram.svg

Reason

I have created this image who is better than my old version, the new one also covers some issues:

• adding the plasmids
• adding the pili
• a more clear division from the coat layers
• the removal from the mesosome (wich i was told doesnt excist)

I am planing that as soon as this one is delisted i will nominate the new version --LadyofHats (talk) 11:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Nominator

LadyofHats (talk)

• Delist — LadyofHats (talk) 11:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Artist and nominator (I think) both want it delisted; saving me the research time. -- carol (talk) 20:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per original nomination. --jjron (talk) 04:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist. The new one is beautiful. Kaldari (talk) 16:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist As per Kaldari themcman1 _talk 21:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. Spencer^T♦C 17:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Delisted . --- Milk's Favorite Cookie 17:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bunch of grapes

Reason

About as noisy as a jumbo jet at takeoff. Dirt and scratches all over the place. Questionable encyclopaedic value (check its article use). Other issues. (Looks OK at thumbnail though - original nom here; another bunch of grapes FP here).

Nominator

jjron (talk)

• Delist — jjron (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Per nom. — scetoaux ^(T/C) 23:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Per nom. Mottld (talk) 15:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Kinda sad that a skilled amateur can do better then the Department of Agriculture. (It was good enough for government work.)--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 21:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. This image makes me dizzy if I try to focus on the grapes. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 20:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. —αἰτίας •discussion• 23:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Delisted . --John254 23:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Nominated and delisted with the sort of snarky comments that I expect from the Wikipedia. Just one of the many reasons that I quit editing over a year ago. BlankVerse 04:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Challenger (STS-51-L) Explosion

Reason

The suggested image is of higher res and quality than the current featured.

Nominator

diego_pmc (talk)

• Delist — diego_pmc (talk) 09:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
• If you want to replace an existing featured picture, DO NOT CREATE TWO SEPARATE NOMINATIONS - it is completely unnecessary and is a general waste of time. Simply just specify the replacement in the delisting nom. MER-C 13:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, sorry, didn't know 'bout that. diego_pmc (talk) 14:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delist and replace per nom. (I nommed the original.) The replacement has sound, too. Spikebrennan (talk) 02:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delist original Oppose alternative. Essential in terms of encyclopaedic value but both clips are too small and I'm pretty sure that better quality footage is available. Guest9999 (talk) 00:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per Guest9999. crassic!^[talk] 02:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and alternative needs to go through FPC. gren グレン 11:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist and replace. The original was good enough for FP, surely a higher quality replacement is good enough too. If and when something even better becomes available we can delist and replace again. Durova^Charge! 17:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist the alternative is also way too compressed and still relatively low res, they are both sourced to a website that suggests they were uploaded to the internet in 1996 (when dialup internet was the norm) since this is obviously not near the original quality it cannot be featured quality. Thisglad (talk) 14:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Delisted --jjron (talk) 15:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
No consensus to replace with alternative - renominate alt if you want to try again. --jjron (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FA-18 Hornet breaking sound barrier (7 July 1999)

Reason

disappointing at full resolution, ruined by low frequency digital noise and blurred as a result no fine detail or sharpness left. Thisglad (talk) 16:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Nominator

Thisglad (talk)

• Delist — Thisglad (talk) 16:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Please inform the original uploader as required and clearly indicated in the instructions above. Thanks, Pstuart84 Talk 16:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
  • he has been notified on commons, also this had already been done before you asked Thisglad (talk) 17:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I checked his WP account - apologies for getting this one wrong. Pstuart84 Talk 17:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
      • no problem, i think he is inactive anyway Thisglad (talk) 17:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
        • Just interested - why would you notify a WP delist on Commons? I think Duffman has been active here more recently than Commons anyway. May not hurt to notify the original nominator as well, since it wasn't the creator, as suggested in the guidelines - User:ChrisO definitely is still active. I want to vote keep on this because it's such a good photo, but quality is bad; I'd like to see a better version if possible. --jjron (talk) 08:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
          • If an image is uploaded to commons then the commons user is the uploader that should be notified don't you think? Also there isn't any proof that the .en user is the same as the commons user. Thisglad (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
            • For a Commons FP, yes. But for an enWiki FP they should be notified on Wikipedia, unless they don't have a Wiki account. (I know where I'd want to be notified for a delist; if you notified me on Commons it would most likely be gone and forgotten before I ever knew about it). Possibly valid point if you can't identify that the user is the same at Commons and Wiki, having said which I can't think of a single instance where I've seen different people having the same username on Commons and Wikipedia, though I'm sure there must be cases. --jjron (talk) 06:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 17:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom.--Mfield (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Grainy, and if you look at the jet, it's not good. Spencer^T♦C 22:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment If there's a better version available, it's not turning up for me. The photos on the various .mil websites are all versions of this one. A slightly better, though different pic can be found here, but it doesn't have the same visual appeal. This also is slightly better quality and is actually on Commons already. I am beginning to think that planes zipping along at mach one do not an easy subject make. :) This was the best one I found, but it's no great shakes. Matt Deres (talk) 00:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

another reason for the lack of appeal is because it was likely taken with a film camera, which are grainy at high ISO film but the color noise is largely generated by the scanner unlike digital cameras, analog equipment does not have that effect, so this is likely a poor quality scan of a mediocre image Thisglad (talk) 21:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per above. Sure quality isn't great, but it's a stunning photo and widely used, so I'm willing to give it some leeway. Probably amongst the most eyecatching FPs we have. None of the others Matt links to come close to this for composition; I'm also suspecting this subject is not something you're going to snap off on a day at the park. If anyone can show me otherwise I may reconsider. --jjron (talk) 06:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I believe this image cannot be easily reproduced. It must be a very lucky shot, in addition to requiring another supersonic "camera platform"... --Janke | Talk 07:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • for comparison see the 2005 image of the same aircraft model breaking the sound barrier in the same geographic location, and it is obviously not blurred and artifacted to the same degree as well as being higher resolution. The inferior quality of this image is clearly not because of the shooting conditions. Thisglad (talk) 23:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Compositionally I think the original is still the best, but should it be delisted, which it probably will be, I would support a nomination of the alt posted here. --jjron (talk) 08:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• weak delist The composition is beautiful and the thumbnail is stunning, but the full-size shot is just horrible. I can appreciate that it's not easily reproducible, but the fact that I found three alternates in a few minutes indicates that the stunt has been done several times in the past and very likely will be done again. The FPs should be the best that WP has to offer, but clicking on this photo is just disappointing. If there was any kind of historical aspect to this shot (is there?), I would probably switch. Matt Deres (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I don't think it requires another transonic camera platform. A lot of the videos and stills online seem to be shot from the decks of aircraft carriers and other ships, most likely because that's the environment with the most supersonic planes and high moisture environment that will result in somebody capturing a shot of it. If we are going to see a better shot of this phenomenon, I'd bet its from somebody with a the right camera/lens and panning technique on board a ship rather than in the air. In addition, in the right environment this is probably a very repeatable and predictable event, you just need to be in on an aircraft carrier to maximize your chances of seeing it :) Mfield (talk) 16:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Fair enough - so next time you're out on your aircraft carrier and your mate's going supersonic in his fighter jet, can you take a few snaps for us? ;-) --jjron (talk) 08:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Well, from Flickr, to prove that better images exist [[9]], [[10]], [[11]], although not under CC Mfield (talk) 01:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I have added new versions of the images. I have removed the grain, but I myself have doubts about the images actually being better. As for now, I keep myself from voting. diego_pmc (talk) 10:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delist per above. Put FA18C breaking sound barrier 2005 - filtered.jpg through FPC. crassic!^[talk] 02:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delist - Grain is horrible even at 800px wide, colours appear to have been reduced to 256 or less (see shadows) and the full size image is not sharp (nor are any of the altered ones with reduced grain). Compare with Image:Su-27 on landing.jpg. As mentioned above, I've seen video footage of this effect from aircraft carriers so a good quality photo should be pretty easy with a decent camera. --Ozhiker (talk) 16:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Delisted --jjron (talk) 08:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tram interior

Reason

A nice enough photo, but doesn't overly strike me as FP standard on a few counts. Not sure of EV - no longer used in any articles. Not sure about the little girl - to me she reduces EV, some may argue she adds compositionally to the photo. Original nom here. --jjron (talk) 14:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Nominator

jjron (talk)

• Delist — jjron (talk) 14:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom. Matt Deres (talk) 18:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and add to appropriate article. I think it's actually quite well-done, and to a high technical standard. And trams are meant to carry people, after all. An empty tram would be much less encyclopaedic. It's also an incredible feat of photography, in that it almost perfectly captures the feel of a 1920s illustration, which is, of course, ideal for a tram of that age. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment You're right that trams are meant to transfer people of course, but that doesn't seem to be happening here; this looks much more like a holiday snapshot of someone's kid, who happened to be sitting in an old tram. She's the part in best focus. Even ignoring that, this really just looks like any old bus from the inside. Surely the distinctive bits would be on the outside? Matt Deres (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Not...really. There's a definate 20s/30s look and feel to that tram. The outside is ALSO encyclopaedic, but the inside is as well. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• There were no 1920-s tram in regular operation in 2002. The last surviving Vienna tram of 1920s, type M/m (1928-1929), was completely retired by 1979 (stadtbahn type N1/n2 operated to 1982, but these were 1950s bodies on 1920s bogies). The photo looks like a plain Type E/c to me - a 1960s model, very common to date. NVO (talk) 08:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delist. Seems more appropriate to feature on Commons than here. Not especially encyclopedic (thus why it isn't in any articles). Kaldari (talk) 19:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Just seems like a good quality snapshot. crassic!^[talk] 02:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delist grainy and since when were trams ever clean :P --Hadseys Chat_Contribs 15:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Delisted --KiloT 13:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] F1 car

Reason

Fails size requirement, tilted.

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 21:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Per nom, and because we have many much better racecar pictures. Mangostar (talk) 22:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per nom Matt Deres (talk) 14:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist. Too small. I think the tilt is due to it being on a corner. Clegs (talk) 17:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per size. crassic!^[talk] 17:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Too small, but also consider that (a) á la Clegs, the tilt is from the corner (b) the subject is rather large given the frame and (c) is is difficult to get a perfectly framed, motion blur-less image of a large object going close to 200mph.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 22:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 12:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Millennium Bridge, London

Reason

Low resolution, false colour, cut off.

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 14:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Black and white isn't exactly "false colour", and 1381 pixels wide is 381 pixels above the minimum for Wikipedia FPs. Are you thinking of Commons standards? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 08:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
  • It meet the standards but only just, which is why I said low resolution and B&W is certainly false colour in that the subject is not monochrome in reality. Pstuart84 Talk 10:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I think we differ on the meaning of the word "just". This image is only 119 pixels short of even the Commons requirement. I don't see how you can cite that as a motivation for delisting. I really don't. 1000 pixels is the requirement. This image meets it. And black and white is NOT "false colour" (see article). Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 12:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I think it's quite clear I said it was "low resolution" and not that it failed the minimum size requirement. There is also no good reason to feature anything other than a true-colour image of this bridge. Pstuart84 Talk 12:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I'll echo Pstuart84's sentiments here. We've already discussed the criteria in other noms and I think you'll find (although it doesn't seem to be spelt out clearly enough on the page) that the minimum resolution is merely a minimum to be taken seriously, but not necessarily the minimum to be automatically accepted without further examination. It would be short-sighted to be too absolute on resolution, since there are so many factors involved. We can and will still apply our own judgement on whether there is sufficient detail in the image given the particular subject and how significant/easily replicable it is, and also whether it is satisfactorily sharp for a given resolution. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
        • From the article I quoted: When applied to black-and-white images, true-color means that the perceived lightness of a subject is preserved in its depiction. Was it too much trouble to read? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist a lot of artifacts combined with lack of sharpness Thisglad (talk) 10:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist This really should be in color. Mangostar (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
  • You do realise that grey is the actual colour of the subject? Image:Millennium Bridge750pix.jpg Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Making it equally important to have the image in color, so that readers can tell the bridge is gray. Mangostar (talk) 23:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep the cutting off of the side is unfortunate however the image of the bridge span itself which is really the main focus of the bridge in my opinion is what matters. Whether an image is in black and white or color except when the color of the object is a key element (pictures of flora and fauna for example) in my opinion never has and never will be a valid reason to oppose an image's promotion or delist it and if it weren't for the image cutting off part of the bridge I would probably be using "strong" instead of "weak" as the adjective to describe my views. Cat-five - talk 22:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist the closest part of the bridge seem soft like inadequate DOF/poor choice of hyperfocal point. Fairly low resolution, and easily reshootable. Mfield (talk) 22:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist no reason for B&W. Cacophony (talk) 08:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist. I think I may have a better photo than this one, or if not, it shouldn't be too hard to take a new one. Plenty of construction cranes now sour the skyline around St Pauls Cathedral though, which doesn't help the view. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 09:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Koh Samui

Reason

Low resolution, washed out, doesn't depict much.

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 14:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist — km5 (talk) 16:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Beats me how this ever got featured; a poor scan of a poor image in the first place. --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 12:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist No wow. Mangostar (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist how the cow did this pass in the first place? Not encyclopedic of anything. Clegs (talk) 03:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per above. Cacophony (talk) 08:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Horrible quality. Crassic! (talk) 18:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Per all above. Harryboyles 12:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist Terrible grain/low quality, palm tree is cut off, not encyclopedic... Reguiieee (talk) 13:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 09:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fisherman on Lake Tanganyika

Reason

Fails size requirement, poor quality overall, questionable EV.

Nominator

Pstuart84 Talk

• Delist — Pstuart84 Talk 14:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment According to the original nom, a 3500x2500 version exists somewhere. Anyone know this guy's website, where you could maybe ask him? --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 12:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

• The original uploader and the owner of the site http://gallery.world-traveller.org/ , Worldtraveller, has exercised his right to vanish, so contact might be a bit harder. There's nothing on the site about copyright. MER-C 12:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delist Poor quality, low-resolution, tells us little to nothing about Lake Tanganyika. Mangostar (talk) 16:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per above. Clegs (talk) 03:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per above. Cacophony (talk) 08:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist per size requirements. If there is a 3500x2500, I'd consider replacement. Crassic! (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delist, Mangostar is right, nobody fishes Lake Tanganyika or lakes anyhow. No encyclopedic value. --Blechnic (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Well, they just don't use paddles, that's all. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 19:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 09:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reichstag flag

Reason

Deleted from commons per Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Reichstag flag.jpg. Removed from FP Gallery here. (I don't remember what the original image looked like, nor where its original nomination would be.)

Nominator

jjron (talk)

• Delist. Deleted image. — jjron (talk) 09:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Original nom here; alternate version added on right. --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 10:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Though now I look at the deletion nom over at commons, this pic probably has the same copyright status as the other image, so should probably be deleted too. --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 10:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

This other picture is hosted locally and is tagged fair use => it's ineligible and probably not deletable. It needs a rationale though. This can safely be delisted, I might do it tomorrow. MER-C 07:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Delisted MER-C 08:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other

[edit] Image:High Resolution Solar Spectrum.jpg

Reason

Deleted at COM:DEL. Already delisted. MER-C 03:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Does anyone else find it unbelievably stupid that commons takes images from here that were fine under en.wiki's policy and erases them so that we are using their copy, then later, someone finds out that is isn't "free" so it gets deleted and we are left with a red link. -Fcb981^{(talk:contribs)} 18:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • User:CommonsDelinker is a bot which is supposed to remove images that were deleted on Commons, but I think it might be limited to article space. howcheng {chat} 19:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Right, but I feel like the person who transfered the file to the commons should be notified and re-upload the file here. (Assuming that it was a fair use license that commons cant use and we can) -Fcb981^{(talk:contribs)} 21:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • What I find stupid is that we even care. Wikipedia's the only site on the internet that so much as acknowledges the existence of copyright law. --ffroth 03:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Kimi Raikkonen 2007.jpg

Reason

Deleted at COM:DEL. Already delisted. MER-C 03:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)