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Sid Barnes

Hi. The FAC of Sid Barnes, a real Aussie character, is somewhat stalled. I'd appreciate feedback whether you know lots about cricket or nothing at all; in fact, if you know little or nothing that's actually preferable.

Please do contribute. The FAC is at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sid Barnes

Many thanks --Dweller (talk) 11:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dweller. It's amazing the places we meet! Most of the discussion for this project takes place on the noticeboard where you will get a better response. Note that the FAC is listed on Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Announcements so keen watchers will have noticed it but a direct request from a "visitor" to WP:AUS might get a favourable response. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 11:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Australia newsletter

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Confusing use of Australian Dictionary of Biography template

See Template talk:Australian Dictionary of Biography, Template talk:ADB, Wikipedia:Bot requests. -- Matthead DisOuß 08:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This place is barely watched - you might wanna leave a note at WP:AWNB. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 21:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Rod Quantock

Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in helping out with the article Rod Quantock. Thanks, 124.180.230.123 (talk) 01:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC).

Category Name Change

I refer to the category Aboriginal gods. The Australian Aboriginals do not have the concept of gods. They did not /do not worship deities. The Dreaming tradition treats of spirits. I suggest changing to category to Australian Aboriginal Dreaming Spirits. I tried starting a discussion on the category page. No-one seemed interested so I am bringing the discussion here.--Gazzster (talk) 03:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

People need to have the category page bookmarked in order to know there is a discussion. I'd suggest raising it at WP:AWNB where most of the Australian correspondents read. Orderinchaos 03:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

See CfD discussion started only today at: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 January 8#Category:Aboriginal goddesses. It includes Category:Aboriginal gods also. Your point is very relevant. I have suggested an up-merge to the parent category Category:Australian Aboriginal mythology, getting rid of three in the process. The nominator however is set on having Aboriginal categories fit in with others, which of course they really do not. --Bduke (talk) 03:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Wiki data dumps

Latest WP:DD database dump, Wikipedia EN Database Dump 2008-01-03 Pages-Articles, has been copied over to BigPond Files. File link.

If you're a BigPond Broadband customer, consider downloading this 3.4 gig file from BP Files as it is an Unmetered download off their servers. --Breno ^talk 05:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Shopping Centres

Hi, I would like to manage all of Australias shopping centres in a Wikiproject but not sure how to do it, could anyone help out? I know a lot about shopping centres in all states and love fixing up the articles on then but I want to set up some rules for other that edit them too, like what classifies as a major store and what doesn't. Help would be GREATLY appreciated, Thanks Dyllip. I hope Im allowed to post here ;o.

Of course you're allowed to post here :) There is a few editors on here who deal with the shopping centre articles - we hadn't seen the need to organise per se as we're all involved in other projects. Biggest problem for shopping centres is generally referencing - the ones that are well-referenced right now are generally the ones we've managed to rescue at AfD for one reason or another in the past. Also cruft, which you've kind of identified above. I believe User:Thewinchester was working on some standards a few months ago, and looking at your edits it looks like we generally share ideas regarding what is a major store. Some of the ones we rescued included Stockland Rockhampton, Greensborough Plaza, Karrinyup Shopping Centre, Brand Junction and Westfield Warrawong, although that's not a complete list - Karrinyup is easily the best of those as Thewinchester was able to research it in our state library. Orderinchaos 15:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The Ghan

I've just completed a significant re-write of The Ghan after working on the Indian Pacific earlier this week and realizing that The Ghan article needed some work. I've raised some of mu remaining questions on Talk:The_Ghan and would appreciate any input, suggestions, etc. Travellingcari (talk) 21:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Radio station article naming

I noticed that New World Man (talk · contribs) had gone through and moved basically every Australian radio station article to the (completely unknown to the public) call sign of the station, away from its (popularly-known) on-air name. This violates the Naming Convention on broadcasting, which states the following:

"In places with a mix of call signs and station names, such as most of Central or South America, the station name should normally be used, except when the call sign is well-known."

Most of the call signs for FM stations are extremely obscure, as are some of the AM call signs. As a result, I feel I am justified in moving the majority of these articles back to their station names, away from their call signs. - Mark 13:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's a reasonable decision. I was looking for the Groove FM article the other day and couldn't even find it - turned out it's at like 6YMS or something. Orderinchaos 16:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

All the call signs and variation on names should be turned into redirects so that it can be found - eg 6YMS 6yms 6 YMS 6 yms Groove FM Groove fm and Groove (disambiguation) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Graeme Bartlett (talk • contribs) 05:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirects for existing radio station articles should now already be in place (considering I just moved all those articles back from their call signs). - Mark 05:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Should be, but some of those variation examples are showing up red! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh, good point. Some stage in the next week or so I'll reinstall AWB and make a large batch at once. - Mark 07:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Test of automated article selection for WP:1.0

Hi, we at WP:1.0 have been testing a bot to select articles for offline release based on quality and importance assessments. We want an offline release of around 20,000-30,000 articles from all subject areas, and we want these to be picked based on a combination of importance and quality. Importance is considered more important than quality (we don't just want a collection including lots of FAs and GAs on trivia then find we failed to include Battle of Stalingrad, Spain or (heaven forbid!) Queensland. However, an FA like Eric Bana would probably be included, because although it's not a really important topic, it is clearly non-trivial, and a very nice article.

We have a tentative selection of WP:Australia articles. A couple of comments: First, the hitranking is very rough, but should get much better. Second, there will be some articles that aren't on the list (like Don Bradman - but he's already on the DVD).

The articles are ranked in order of Score3; the three score options are based on a balanced combination of quality and importance. I'd really like to know if people think this would be an appropriate ordering of the articles, and if it would be a reasonable selection if we picked (say) all articles with Score3 >900 (or >800?). If the ordering is wrong, how have we got it wrong? Kylie ranks slightly higher than Melbourne, but that's because Kylie is an FA that gets a huge no. of page hits; if Melbourne became FA it would be ranked higher. We want to get these selections right, so please comment here, thanks! Walkerma (talk) 06:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Woah, why is AC/DC getting so many hits? That's bizarre. - Mark 07:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I suppose they're pretty popular. Some of the hit scores are a bit off, but I think this one may be right, see this result which gives a steady 6000/day during last month, which means we'd be stupid not to include it in our selection. Walkerma (talk) 07:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I guess the general population has a worse taste in music than I thought. :) - Mark 08:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - they're getting a million more hits than Powderfinger! (roughly) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 08:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Unassessed Categories

Im just curious as to why Template talk:Infobox Aust school seems to be in Category:Unassessed Education in Australia articles when its got the parameter "class=template" in the {{WP Australia}} template. Appreciate some help here, thanks. Twenty Years 03:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed now in the article. The issue was the "class=template" which is not referenced in the correct place in the WP Australia template - hence defaulting to the cat "Unassessed Education in Australia articles". I've changed it to "class=NA" - Peripitus (Talk) 10:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

But shouldnt it be class=cat to be in line with the rest of australia project ?Satu Suro 10:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The question was about the infobox. Orderinchaos 14:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It would have helped if i had read the question again :( Satu Suro 14:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

(reduce indent) Many thanks, ill apply this to the Infobox Aust school private. Cheers. Twenty Years 16:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Content from Melpedia

I run an unofficial wiki for the city of Melbourne which has quite a bit of images and media on it. It's available at http://www.melpedia.net so feel free to use any content on this project. KiwiTallGuy (talk) 02:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks mate :) Appreciated. Orderinchaos 12:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Geoffrey Edelsten

An apparent single-purpose account humbly calling itself Wikifactsright (talk · contribs) has appeared at the biography Geoffrey Edelsten (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), and shows every sign of attempting a whitewash. Those editors who know something about the subject ought to keep an eye on things. --Calton | Talk 10:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Watchlisted, and raised at AWNB too. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Australia-related articles of unclear notability

Hello,

there are currently about 170 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. Based on a database snapshot of March 12, I have listed them here.

Often, the "locals" can easier decide on the notability of these articles. I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have further questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 12:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Crikey - Jana Wendt not notable!?! Thanks for passing that this way, B. Wolterding; good idea. Hesperian 12:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

What a weird and wonderful bunch - some of the articles have been deleted already anyway Satu Suro 12:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Signpost interview

You'll be featuring in next week's signpost wikiproject report. I'll get the questions up soon, if not please badger me for them. :) Rudget . 14:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Probably best if you also post at WP:AWNB. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 23:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Done Rudget . 15:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-03-31/WikiProject report. Rudget . 15:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposed rock music project

There is now a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Australian rock music for a project to deal with that subject that has gotten 6 members. Would the members of this project be interested in adjusting the project banner to accomodate this new group? John Carter (talk) 18:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It's quite an old proposal. WP:AUSMUSIC seems to cover the topic well already (although Aus Music theoretically has a much wider scope, its coverage at present is dominantly Australian rock.) Orderinchaos 23:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, it's taken several months to get five members. I'm not necessarily saying it should be made a project. But, if you want to go ahead with it, let me know and I'll try to adjust the banner to include it. John Carter (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have posted an oppose at that proposal - It does not have 6 members - one line has comments that are not signed - and another has not signed correctly - so in effect there are 4 or 5 so far - I really think that the current music project is sufficient - if it gets too big then maybe - but to start another project separate from the music project seems unnecessarily duplicating the efforts of the existing project. Satu Suro 10:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Given the proposal has seemingly stagnated and most of the people are now active at AUSMUSIC it's probably not likely to be a problem anyway. Orderinchaos 10:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Tagging song-related articles

A bot tagged many of song-related articles as part of WP:AUS. For example "Irreplaceable", is it part of the project? --Efe (talk) 06:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we know the bot's been getting a bit carried away (it's new and still having teething problems). If it's clearly not in Australia's scope, either let us know at WP:AWNB or just revert it yourself. Thanks for letting us know. Orderinchaos 10:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome. I may revert those articles I have watch listed. --Efe (talk) 10:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Home and Away character articles

(copy of post I put at Talk:Home and Away)

I have gone through all of the articles in Category:Home and Away characters, and found that none of them feature significant referencing. As a result, they are now all tagged with reference-needed templates. Some of them have remained so tagged for several months, with no references added to support the real-world notability of the subjects. If reliable, verifiable references are not provided for these articles in the near future, it is my intention to list these articles for deletion, following the examples set in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brad Armstrong (Home and Away), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matilda Hunter (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ric Dalby (second nomination). - Mark 10:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Television network issues

Two things to report. Firstly, I have made a village pump post raising the issue of TV schedule sections being included in network articles, such as Network Ten. It is quite plain to me that they fail WP:NOT an electronic program guide, and should be removed. In various places (i.e. here, here and here) I have seen more support (and more persuasive arguments) for their removal, so if I don't get anyone expressing a dissenting opinion on that policy page, I'll go ahead and remove them from all Australian TV network articles (I have already removed it from Seven Network).

The second thing to report is that I have created a large list of fair use images used in Australian television articles, but which do not have fair use rationales for those uses: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian television#Fair use images in Australian television articles. I've listed them there as a courtesy, rather than giving the no-rationale notice. - Mark 02:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

That seems a fair response. Less-watched sections tend to attract a lot of cruft unfortunately. Orderinchaos 06:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Converting captain to a dab page?

I've opened a discussion on the Captain article's talk page about converting that article to a dab page. Since the it's tagged as a WikiProject Australia page, I thought I'd mention it here. Cheers. Haus^Talk 17:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the tagging for WP:AUstralia - doesn't seem appropriate --Matilda ^talk 01:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Please look this over...

The Lists of basic topics is one of the tables of contents systems of Wikipedia. I've added List of basic Australia topics to it. Please take a look and see if you can improve it. Thank you. The Transhumanist 22:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Concern over Aussie newspaper articles

Now, I don't know exactly where to go with this, and i don't know if it has been raised before, so smack me and point me in the right direction if necessary, but I've noticed what I think is a problem with several Australian newspaper articles.

Of the nine state- or national-level daily newspapers that have the newspaper's front page as the primary image for the article (i.e. in the infobox), three of them have front pages related to the Cronulla riots: The Daily Telegraph, Herald Sun, and The Courier Mail. Of these, I know that the Telegraph layout varies significantly from the standard front page layout... I don't read the others, so I don't know if they are standard layout or not. All of these pages, as well as the pages on most of the other newspaper articles, are from the 11 December 2005 edition, the day after the riots.

Would it not be more appropriate to replace these images with images of the front page showing the standard layout used by the newspaper? -- saberwyn 07:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks for pointing this out. I'd support replacement with more random (perhaps current?) banners. Orderinchaos 09:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I've advised Australian Wikipedians' noticeboard of this discussion. Orderinchaos 09:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. A quick look at some foreign examples (New York Times, Bild) shows that using a standard layout (not drawing attention to any particular event) is the norm. 52 Pickup (deal) 09:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Agree with a suggestion. Jyllands-Posten is in an even more dire predicament, with the image section saying "image = ≤!-- Insert image of front page here (no, not the page with the Muhammad drawings) --≥" Andjam (talk) 14:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

While agree the idea in having a quieter front page, I also think that a single event is useful to show different layouts compared to each other as they have the same owner in invariably run the same major story across all three papers.Though the Daily Telegraph front page looks like it may not be the standard layout anyway, the other two are using the papers standard/normal format. Gnan garra 02:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

WA Parks and Gorges

Listing this here for comment rather than the same discussion on three talk pages. At the moment we have:

I'm responsible for some of the duplication with Geikie Gorge because the search wasn't working properly yesterday but I wondered if there was any precedent and/or consensus as to whether the creeks/gorges should be merged into their respective national parks or whether they should stay separate. Thoughts? TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 13:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

We also have a WA project - I would suggest preference would be to incoporate into national park arts - and have redirects from the other arts - however most eds with interest on this might not be back for about 12 hours or so i suspect - most asleep i think :) Satu Suro 13:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well since in most cases the reason for visiting the national park is the tunnel/creek, etc. I've got Jandamarra on my list to fix next -- on a Kimberley kick and missing it. See what the others have to say, how dare they sleep on my awake and Wiki hours ;) Come to think of it, why are you awake? TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 14:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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