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[edit] The Don

Thanks. I plan to do a full-scale run-through shortly - perhaps during the end of the New Zealand innings at Old Trafford today? - and am getting hold of a couple of references to fill out one or two bits. Incidentally, do you have JSTOR access? --Relata refero (disp.) 09:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bradman

I've looked at the lead. Lots of work required. Needs collaboration by others throughout. Thus far, your first issue is definitely a problem; I don't see flow and technicality as issues—not thus far, nor during a quick flick through.

  • Opening sentence POV, I think. I've heard opinions that he wouldn't measure up to today's batsmen. Tone it down. "Was considered to be one of the greatest batsmen of the time (or "of the 20th century" if you think you can go that far). Generally, the opening para is, yes, just too praising.
  • "Around" --> "in".
  • "myriad" = 10,000?
Macquarie dictionary definitions: (1) an indefinitely great number (5) having innumerable phases, aspects etc eg. the myriad mind of Shakespeare. Ideal choice of word because he set many other records not mentioned in the text because of size restrictions, some of which are more of esoteric interest to the cricketophile.Phanto282 (talk) 05:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • "Committed to attacking, entertaining cricket,..."—"attacking" doesn't go with "entertaining", and I took the opening grammar the wrong way. (Attacking what?)
As an antonym to defensive. Bodyline can be classed as "attacking" cricket, yet it is never described as "entertaining". They do go together, especially when considering Bradman's crowd drawing capacity as an individual, which completes the sentence. There was a recent academic study on his effect on crowds that claimed up to 50% of Australian cricket revenue during his playing days is directly attributable to Bradman's appearance at the batting crease.Phanto282 (talk) 05:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • "within" --> "in"
  • "even as he became reclusive"—"after"?
  • Puke: do we have to bring that little cunt into it? (Howard). Who on earth cares what he thinks? And "living Australian" appears twice at the end.TONY (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

PS On the bright side, this has potential to be a FA. Your writing holds together quite well, if you ignore the many little glitches (that's better than most people's!).

Some of this I agree with, but I'd say the consensus is so overwhelming about Bradman's exceptional record that I think we can say "greatest" in WP's voice, despite the marginal, dissenting voices you mention.
Howard - what, isn't he a frequently quoted expert? :)
I also think that "attacking, entertaining" is OK, as it implies two different characteristics of his batting. --Relata refero (disp.) 14:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Some comments on the mini-review above from Tony. I agree in general about the over-praising of Bradman, although I think the criticism was more along the lines that that modern scientific field placing etc. may have made him less of a statistical anomaly, but still a very, very good batsman. Secondly, Howard did not make a claim about Bradman as a cricketer, and therefore Howard's level of cricket expertise is irrelevant. Howard claimed that Bradman was the greatest living Australian. Regardless of anyone's opinion of Howard, he was the Prime Minister at the time and the community that Howard generally spoke for on cultural matters (once again regardless of one's opinion ...) is large and influential. As such this statement is significant enough for inclusion. -- Mattinbgn\talk 01:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that the Wisden article referenced by Wisden Cricketers of the Century provides convincing support for the claim that Bradman was not just the greatest batsman, but the greatest cricketer of the 20th century. 100 experts each had to cast votes for who they considered to be the five greatest cricketers of the 20th century. Bradman was selected by all 100, and only Sobers - with 90 votes - came anywhere close. I think that those modern players who cast doubt on his pre-eminence in general lack nuch knowledge of cricket history. Being English, I'm not writing as a particular fan of Bradman, but I think it would be a mistake to tone down the article too much in a search for "balance" - the man was phenomenal. JH (talk page) 20:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

"I'm finally beginning to make some headway at Bradman's PR. I'd like to bowdlerise (sp?) User_talk:Dweller#Bradman to the relevant PR." Please feel free. I think that the word you were looking for was "plagiarise". :) JH (talk page) 17:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • "The greatest" will be knocked down at FAC. It leaves no room for doubt, and according to what standards and variables was he that? There's room for opinion, and WP should not pontificate. As far as Howard goes, why bring some self-confessed "cricket tragedy" into it—one who's not a technical expert from a player's/trainer's/commentator's angle, and who himself is a controversial figure? "the community that Howard generally spoke for on cultural matters (once again regardless of one's opinion ...) is large and influential"—dont' make some of our readers puke. The authority and status of the article will suffer if controversial statements are deliberately inserted. B. was "phenomenal" for his day, but the claims here are significantly wider than that. TONY (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC) "Attacking, entertaining"—this awkward juxtaposition begs the question of whether the "attacking" bit (better "aggressive", surely) is what made is entertaining. I'm not sure this strong line is what you want to spin. TONY (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


*Puke: do we have to bring that little cunt into it? (Howard). Who on earth cares what he thinks?. What does this sort of language bring to the table? The reference to Howard was added to the article recently; he was quoting a phrase that was sometimes used in Bradman's later years. BTW, the phrase is "cricket tragic" not "cricket tragedy", probably Howard's only true addition to the Australian vernacular. If you want to essay a stab at Bradman's place in cricket history based on the old chestnut that modern cricket is sooooooooooo much better, try talking to someone who has played the game at any level and see if they reckon they can knock up a ton every third time they wander out to bat.
Phanto282 (talk) 12:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Tony, your views on JH are well known and of course you are entitled to them. But if you are saying that Bradman being called the "Greatest living Australian" by the Prime Minister is not relevant to the article, I have to wonder whether your strong opinion is affecting your judgement here. If the Prime Minister's opinion is on a subject such as the GLA is not worth noting, then whose is? I certainly do not want to make you "puke" just pointing out that your view on JH is not shared by a large and influential group of Australians, including 47% of Australians at the last federal election. The views of this 47% can't just be dismissed because we don't like them. Disagreeing with JH and his supporters does not make their opinions and thoughts any less notable. -- Mattinbgn\talk 01:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I've added a couple of comments on the peer review, about the "attacking, entertaining cricket" issue amd the Accrington question. However the peer review link took me to Wikipedia:Peer review/Donald Bradman/archive2 and I wondered whether the "archive2" bit meant that I should no longer be adding stuff there. (I still did so, though.) JH (talk page) 17:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Email

You have one. ;) Regards, Anthøny 18:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Good to see you are helping the conrinsh regionalists disrput wikipedia as usual. A handful of these editors go around removing England from articles regarding Cornwall as they are under the illusion Cornwall is a country.

Trainovers (talk) 11:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History of cricket: peer review

Hello again. Thanks for your inputs to this review. I'm going to do some work on the article this weekend to make use of the feedback received. I'll report back when I've made some progress. All the best. BlackJack | talk page 19:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:PROD on Why Cows Moo

As clearly explained on the tag, do not re-add a prod tag that has been removed. Also, the reason I removed it in the first place is that WP:PROD explains that articles that have been through a deletion discussion should not be prod-ed; near the bottom, the policy page says, "Check the article's deletion log to confirm that it has never previously been proposed for deletion using the {{prod}} process, undeleted or been discussed on AfD. If it has been, it is not eligible for deletion by this process and should be kept or sent to AfD." --C S (talk) 13:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, AFD is probably the right thing. I have no opinion about the article, but it caught my eye and I just want to see the proper procedures is followed. I see that it was tagged as CSD but then retagged as a prod by DGG. I have no idea why, but I expect he has a good reason for it. --C S (talk) 13:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hey Dweller, just a heads up that I answered your questions here. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 13:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks mate... I'm sorry you were underwhelmed; I could have written some serious essays in answer to your questions, but I think that might have overwhelmed a little much. :) That said, clarification is my idea of fun, if you want any (though I get the feeling that asking it anywhere other than the 360,106 bytes page would be good, unless you prefer it there!). Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] bradman

I hope you didn't replicate my c... word there too. TONY (talk) 16:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Baths and bathrobes in America

A "bath" can mean 3 things in America: the act of washing (taking a bath), the big tub you do it in (get in the bath and wash up) or the room with the toilet and bath tub in it (My house has 2.5 baths). A bathrobe is not the robe you wear while taking a bath, its the robe you wear when you get out of your bath. [1]. The British term dressing gown sounds so, well, fruity. Guys don't mind wearing a robe. Not many guys feel comfortable in a gown. Well, there's Eddie Izzard, but he's British, so that explains that... Toodles. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 21:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grammatical horror II: The return of the undead tooltip

(soon in a theatre near you)

I've replied (once) at Template talk:Fact#"This claim needs references to reliable sources since May 2008". Waltham, The Duke of 09:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New FLRC instructions?

Hi Dweller. I've taken the bull by the horns. Please criticise. Wikipedia talk:Featured list removal candidates. PS why no ToC on that talk page? TONY (talk) 05:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] reply

Sorry, I will be more careful next time. Thanks for the notification-- penubag  (talk) 15:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SoccerFootball

Hello, Dweller. Would you mind going over my tweaks here. I came across the edit because it was made by a user with some destructive contributions. Though I still root for my home team, I don't know enough to really edit, let alone reference football articles. Oh and could you check this one as well? I'm not really looking forward to the next couple of weeks that much, I will have to carry flags of several countries stuffed in a bag to appease hooligans in town (and people at work). ---Sluzzelin talk 18:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! (Goes to show how little I know. Forgot about that. Didn't mean to add insult. :)

[edit] WP:RfB

Cross-posted, per request, at 16:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC).

Hello Anthony. I would like to nominate you to become a bureaucrat and this is a formal request for you to consider running for the position. Please drop me a line at my talk page and indicate whether you would or would not be interested in tipping your toe into the maelstrom of RfB. FWIW, I think you'll make a great addition to the ranks of the Crats. --Dweller (talk) 14:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll run. :) Will cross-post to your talk page. Anthøny 16:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
*psst* {{RfB-nom}} does the job for you. :) Anthøny 21:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:HAU

Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Wikipedia:Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 22:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyediting on Donald Bradman

I've started copyediting the article. I don't know much about cricket so it might not be perfect. I'm very more experienced it copyediting baseball articles, but I think I could do well with cricket articles. -- RyRy5 (talk) 23:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Longer blocks

Feel free to anon-only block primary/secondary schools such as 209.202.75.50 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log) up to a year at a time using {{schoolblock}}. Trust me, you're going to be playing whack-a-vandal forever if you only block such IPs for 3 hours at a time. --  Netsnipe  ►  14:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Bradman

Hello, I located you from user Blnguyen's page. My user name is Anup Ramakrishnan (posting from outside of my account now). This man Blnguyen has really caused a lot of trouble on more than one cricket-related site on Wiki. He seems to be from Vietnam but seems to be everywhere that cricket is even breathed a mention of. I understand you made that comment regarding his having kind of belittled Donald Bradman. That he is bound to do for that is the only way that he can actually hype up the greatest ever FTB who goes by the name of Sachin Tendulkar into the greatest ever batsman, which is the greatest ever joke in Sporting history.

If you go to the SRT page you would see that this man has passed off a ridiculous article written by some unknown journalist where he (ONLY he) believes that he was better than the Don, as a 'Wisden Article'. Double fraud - in that he again provides this as a citation for that SRT was 'ranked the best ODI bat ever' when Wisden had clearly ranked Vivian Richards as the best ever there. I tried to modify the SRT page accordingly but to no avail, there are so many biased, cheap, mean people even on this site, that makes it one of the most libelous articles on Wiki.

Besides Donald Bradman who is no doubt the greatest batsman ever, as also the likes of Vivian Richards, Garfield Sobers, Walter Hammond, Jack Hobbes, Rohan Kanhai, Sunil Gavaskar, Greg Chappell etc are way better than SRT ever was. They played in eras before 1990, when pitches were uncovered and way faster and bouncier, without helmet and protective gear, and with no bowler-restricting rules. His statements lie that the Don would not cope up with today's game reeks of the stinkiest bias. The Don would have averaged 200+ in the 90s conditions and would have no average due to zero dismissals on this decade's pitches. While Richards would have caused the instantaneous retirement of every single bowler around. On the Vivian Richards page, he has mentioned that SRT was chosen the best ODI batsman ever, reverting my changes and without citation. He removed my entire commentary on the Packer Series where Richards batted like an Emperor and was in a form only the Don could have perhaps matched. He has put citation tags for very single statement that anybody has made for the King's batting style.

Unfortunately he is a Administrator and he has got some other Admins who are from Europe, NA etc and are total non-followers of the game to revert my changes. I want to burst the bubble created by people like him and request you to help me with this. I shall be back this weekend - probably Sunday to work on the Richards page. I have not seen the Bradman page in detail but shall not be surprised if these people are doing their work there too. I shall try to get a couple of Admins myself to help me with this.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.216.36 (talk) 16:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You've logged in as an anon, which makes it difficult to reply. If you're watching my page, I'll reply here soon in full. For now, suffice to say that you couldn't be more wrong. I'll explain later. --Dweller (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Let's take these things one at a time, shall we?
  • I understand you made that comment regarding his having kind of belittled Donald Bradman. That he is bound to do... Actually, that he hasn't done. And I'd be astonished if he ever did anything of the kind. Blngyuen is a well-respected editor generally, and particularly on cricket. Not only is he knowledgable, but I've never seen him breach WP:NPOV.
  • If you go to the SRT page you would see that this man has passed off a ridiculous article written by some unknown journalist where he (ONLY he) believes that he was better than the Don, as a 'Wisden Article'. Double fraud - in that he again provides this as a citation for that SRT was 'ranked the best ODI bat ever' when Wisden had clearly ranked Vivian Richards as the best ever there. I tried to modify the SRT page accordingly but to no avail, there are so many biased, cheap, mean people even on this site, that makes it one of the most libelous articles on Wiki. First, calm down. You're not making sense. Bradman has no relevance to who is the greatest ODI player ever, as Bradman didn't play ODI cricket. However, I'll look into what you say about the citation.
  • His statements lie that the Don would not cope up with today's game reeks of the stinkiest bias. Kindly don't accuse other editors of lying or bias.
  • The Don would have averaged 200+ in the 90s conditions and would have no average due to zero dismissals on this decade's pitches. While Richards would have caused the instantaneous retirement of every single bowler around. We call those kinds of statement WP:OR, which is absolutely not permitted in articles.
  • On the Vivian Richards page, he has mentioned that SRT was chosen the best ODI batsman ever, reverting my changes and without citation. He removed my entire commentary on the Packer Series where Richards batted like an Emperor and was in a form only the Don could have perhaps matched. He has put citation tags for very single statement that anybody has made for the King's batting style. I'll look into that.
  • Unfortunately he is a Administrator Wrong. Fortunately. He's dang good at this. He's been doing it a long time. If you take the trouble to look into our policies, you'll probably agree he's doing the right thing.
  • I want to burst the bubble created by people like him and request you to help me with this. I will never help with disruption, which is what you seem to be advocating. I too am an admin, and I will block and seek bans for anyone involved in disruption. However, I will look into the issues you raise that may be worth following up, not that I truly doubt Blnguyen.

In the meantime, it would be helpful to know your username so I can respond there. I'll try and work it out from the articles you mention you've edited. --Dweller (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

anup Ramakrishnan (talk · contribs) is his handle. No I've never edited Bradman except for vandalisms and haven't propagted teh theory about his average being down in the modern era. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Poll

Happened too fast ! Didn't learn about it until it was closed. Anyway, no disagreement there. Tintin 10:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Dweller, did that get solved? I was traveling when it came up, so was late in checking. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Revert

It's true that it's sometimes 1 hour ahead of UTC, although technically the time difference doesn't change - it's simply that UTC moves to daylight savings mode, which makes it a different time zone. I guess it should be clarified. I'd appreciate it if you could do that, and no hard feelings :) if you aren't feeling up to it, I'll work on it when I have time. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 17:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Mediation Committee

Hey Dweller. Thanks for your interest in joining MedCom. I think you'd be an ideal candidate to join us. What we normally do is ask a candidate to mediate one of our cases for us, just so everyone on the committee can get a feel of you, and you can also have some experience in formal mediation. Unfortunately there aren't any cases at the minute, so am I ok to let you know when we have one for you? I'll have to run it past the mailing list first however. With resepect to MedCab, you are more than welcome to carry on there - many of our members do tend to help them out if they have a backlog. Does that all sound ok to you? Hope you're good mate, Ryan Postlethwaite 21:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-08 Copa del Rey will be good to look over. I'll post it to the list, but keep an eye on WP:RFM in the mean time. Ryan Postlethwaite 21:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FLRC delegate

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[edit] Bradman in the dock?

Going for it? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 09:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

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[edit] mistake

I misread the article thats why. I thought it was on about something random. Chemistrygeek (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I am taking more care now, its just it had one line and thats why I put the tag on it easy mistake. Chemistrygeek (talk) 13:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of The Sopranos episodes

Hi there. The above removal candidate has been sitting there since April 24. I addressed the problems that were brought up, but I still think it should be delisted. As you and I are now the Directors, I don't want to close it or officially support the removal. However, there have been no comments since May 28, and no edits since have been made to address the remaining issues. Want to make this your first Official one? Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 22:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hola

Hey, back in business. What did I miss? Have you seen this by the way? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cool tool

I asked Franamax to make a tool here, and this is what s/he came up with. Cool eh? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] May reviewer awards

The Reviewers Award The Reviewers Award
To Dweller,
For your excellent work at Featured article candidates during May, thank you for the solid reviews of articles this month and for your thorough work towards helping promote Wiki's finest work. You really roll up your sleeves and dig in to help !
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:FLRC

Hi there. There are four FLRC that are from May 12 or earlier. I don't feel comfortable to close them as I've commented on them and !voted. Would you mind closing these to avoid a COI on my part? Now our positions have been finalised I'll refrain from !voting, though I haven't decided about commenting yet.

You could also do Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of HIV-positive people if you want. It's just over 2 weeks old, although it received another comment today so I'll defer to you on whether to keep it open a little longer or not. Thanks, regards, Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 08:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Donald Bradman

I've done all the copy-editing I could. I must say, the article is well referenced, written, and contains good content. Was just a little concerned that the article had many POV sentences. I know it's referenced, but it may sometimes make someone think the article fails WP:NPOV. Anyway, please reply on my talk page. Thanks, RyRy5 (talk) 06:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page. --RyRy5 (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A Featured List contest

Grettings. FL directors Scorpion0422 and The Rambling Man have decided to run a contest for FL contributors. We are trying to get some interest in the process and get some FLs for the under-represented topics. If you would like to learn more about this contest, you can find such information here. If you are uninterested in it, then you could still help out by reviewing FLCs submitted by the entrants. Thanks for the time, Scorpion0422 18:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: [2]

I think a third effort might have legs... Oldelpaso (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That may work! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)