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Exams are over, but still got some other debris to resolve. Will be back in full swing on Thursday. Orderinchaos 10:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


Orderinchaos is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia 12 June 2008
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Victorian former LGAs are all done now. Yay! Orderinchaos 07:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Major reforms

  • Victoria 1915 - Local Government Acts Amendment Act 1914 (No.2557) and Local Government Act 1915 (No.2686)
  • Queensland 1916-1919
  • Queensland 1949
  • Queensland 1993-1995 (part of Electoral and Administrative Review Commission process)
  • Victoria 1993-1995 - Local Government Amendment (General Amendment) Act 1993, City of Greater Geelong Act 1993
  • Queensland 2007 - Local Government Reform Implementation Act (No.31 of 2007)

Orderinchaos 14:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)



[edit] What John Brumby Will Be Remembered For

Some of the biggest achievements of John Brumby and his predecessor Steve Bracks would have to be a huge waste of public funds. Some of the "success" stories would have to be the woeful state of Victoria's traffic network. Public Transport network has suffered delays and unbelievably high expenses just to implement the new ticketing system, so called Myki.[1] Some of the other achievements of John Brumby and former Premier Bracks would have to be the fact that around 10% of total number of Victorian drivers have lost their licences due to huge pressure from the Victorian government to issue speeding fines for even the minor speed limit transgressions. This means that Victoria Police and hundreds of hidden revenue raising cameras issue speeding tickets for speeding below the +10% ADR defined speedometer accuracy limits. This greedy money grab by the Brumby state government ensures that the Victorian State Government expects the speeding ticket revenue to amount to a massive AUD$1500 million over the next 2 years. [2] [3] ]


John Brumby and his Ministers have also implemented a so called tough new so called "anti-hoon" laws.[4] This is a politically driven decision to appease hundreds of worried citizens that have noticed that Brumby and the Victorian state governemnt has not done a thing to improve the roads around the state.


OK, you tell me orderinchaos what is so badly referenced in here. These are all the issues we know about. Nothing wrong with stating the publicly known facts is there, especially when John Brumby's biography on the wiki is all "roses and smiles" and not so convenient truths are swept under the carpet. You smell to me like a snitch and a state employee mate, you smell pretty bad. Blackspurboys (talk) 07:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It's written like a point of view which goes against the WP:NPOV policy and also it's a bio so you must follow WP:BIO. Bidgee (talk) 07:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


OK, ok, maybe it needs work, but it also needs to be stated. My point still stands that a complete bio cannot be all positive. You need to list persons failures. This bio does sound like a political dream bio, which we all know it is not. Blackspurboys (talk) 08:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

So fix it, rather than write a bunch of POV-pushing which will be deleted. Also, it is a biography of Brumby, not the Victorian Labor Party. Timeshift (talk) 08:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian tennis bios

Yesterday a number of Hungarian tennis bios have also been moved, also Ágnes Szávay earlier etc. Would you please correct those too?
It's also strange we're having now this and another encyclopedia has this. Squash Racket (talk) 11:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know moving pages over redirect is not advised for non-admins. The pages to where we should move back those articles have redirects now. Simply deleting them is OK? Squash Racket (talk) 05:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Never mind, Prolog already moved the pages. Squash Racket (talk) 07:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] check your edit

..to Giggy's RfA. Did you mean to remove 2,066 bytes of replies? Ling.Nut (talk) 09:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

jbmurray fixed it. Ling.Nut (talk) 09:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Request for mediation not accepted

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[edit] Proposed page moves (same topic)

Well..., this time at WP:RM (see 4th June). Squash Racket (talk) 10:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Appreciate this, I probably wouldn't have dealt with an issue like that during the exams. Good luck btw! Squash Racket (talk) 13:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I apologize

for misunderstanding. But I do not see why we should discus further, when diacritics are allowed in English language? We (Serbs, Croats, Hungarians, Poles, etc) think that using ASCII-ized names is disrespect for our cultures. -- Bojan  16:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for butting in unwarranted, but I can't help myself. Are you saying ASCII-ized names is disrespectful to your culture and thus should not be used? I'm so not racist but that's just a pile of cow dung, people can name themselves how they want. Creating inflammatory cartoons is one thing, ASCII-ized names is another. Timeshift (talk) 00:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I think a bit of context helps. Let's say one's name (a Czech one) is Radek Štěpánek. The á is an accent, meaning that's the vowel we dwell on (this is also the case in Spanish and a number of other languages - eg López, Guantánamo. Note Guantanamo Bay is a US facility located at Guantánamo Bay, so the English name for the US facility excludes the accent). In nearly all Slavic and Baltic languages, š is "sh", č is "ch", ž is "zh" (like s in measure). Don't worry too much about the e, that's a peculiarity of Czech. So the name instantly tells us how to pronounce it, "shteh-PAH-nek". Unfortunately, some tennis sites, for reason of convention, do not use diacritics (modifiers above or below the character) on any Latin-alphabet non-English names, so this name becomes Stepanek, or as I've heard on many an ABC Newsradio broadcast, "Step-a-neck" (read as if you were reading those three English words). You can imagine how this sort of thing might be perceived as lazy or Anglocentric. All of this does not apply when the person has moved to the US, naturalised and adopted a name without accents, but if they have done this, it is normally verifiable via the news or their biography if they have one. It's not a given that the moment someone starts playing tennis they lose their national identity. Orderinchaos 04:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sock check please

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_federal_election%2C_2007/Post-election_pendulum&action=history Timeshift (talk) 10:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John Howard Talk page

I take your comment, regarding my pointless post, and reply here so I avoid making another pointless reply. Matilda had already indicated something similar to your sentiments. My reply to Matilda sums up my thoughts. So many people who were regular editors of the JH article up until a week ago have now disappeared and are staying clear of it.--Lester 02:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I had almost everyone in mind when writing it, in particular a rapid-fire sniping match which went on yesterday involving two other people which achieved nothing except likely frustration for the two involved (I know I ignored it :P) If you're someone who cares about the reliability and values of the encyclopaedia, it's something that can happen amazingly easily. Regarding the last sentence, I'd say that's been the situation for months now - I was one of the ones who disappeared and stayed clear of it. Orderinchaos 02:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk archives

Talk archives can't be deleted for G8. [1]. -- Ned Scott 05:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't a talk archive; it was a redirect. Hesperian 05:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The logic still applies for a redirect, as well as the further explanation given at WP:CSD#G8. -- Ned Scott 05:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Bollocks. The redirect is utterly useless. Nothing links to it. No-one will ever arrive at the target page via it. You've restored it not because you think it is useful, because because you are unable or unwilling to step back from the ludicrous absolutes you've been uttering, like "Redirects for talk page archives should never be deleted." I couldn't care less that you've restored it, but please don't try to pass it off as you correcting OIC's error. Hesperian 05:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Uh, what? As someone who's done a lot of work on other wikis, I can assure you that I have restored because I do believe them to be useful. Forgive me for my earlier comment, as I meant to say they should never be speedy deleted. Redirects are cheap, they're convenient, and we cannot track off-site links. I'm annoyed at the systematic deletion of redirects that are there for these very reasons. If you've taken that as me having some talk page redirect complex then I'm sorry that I gave that impression. -- Ned Scott 05:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I think Template talk:Infobox City/Archive 1 might have been a simple mistake, unrelated to moves or redirects. -- Ned Scott 06:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] tennis names

I did it because moving was blocked by the article under different name already existing. I can see inconsistency Ana Ivanović was moved to Ana Ivanovic but Mario Ančić must stay Mario Ančić, not Mario Ancic. How come? Are they different?--Avala (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intelligent design RfC

At this RfAR, you've expressed an interest in behaviour of editors at articles related to intelligent design. As an outcome, User:Gnixon/Intelligent design RfC provides a Workspace, with discussion at User talk:Gnixon/Intelligent design RfC which I've started off with ideas for a basis to formulate the RfC. which I've started off with ideas for a basis to formulate the RfC. We also must try to resolve the dispute and as a first step my suggestion is developing guidelines or procedures aimed improving behaviour from now on, so that the desired outcomes can be achieved amicably. Your assistance and comments will be much appreciated. . . dave souza, talk 14:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seaham Public School

I was editing Seaham, New South Wales and needed some information from Seaham Public School but you deleted that article on 29 March 2008, before I could save the contents. Is it possible to get access to the contents of that article so I don't have to start from scratch? Regards. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought there was more than that. I must have been thinking of something else. Still, some of it may prove useful. Cheers. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] name change

Thanks to getting back to me on my requested name change. It was read by a bot which responded thus:

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  • User has 24 undeleted edits, 0 deleted edits, and 24 total edits. Requesting user has 4046 edits. ClueBot VI (talk) 12:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Will someone end up noticing that it's one and the same person, or is that the end of the line for me? thanks for any help you might be able to offer. Pippu d'Angelo (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Various

  • Welcome back, I hope that you've done well in your exams and that your health issues are resolved.
  • I'd like to take you up on the offer you made to help with the Halden article if it's convenient to you.
  • To go back to my post at Greetings, I'd like your advice as to the best way to organise these publications on the Lawrence article. I have a bunch by Lawrence and I've also got some others coming that refer to her as a subject. I won't be using all of them as cited references so I was wondering whether a catch-all section "(Some?) Publications referring to Carmen Lawrence" would be in order.
  • This (ab)user tampered with the article on the Claremont serial murders yesterday. Unless they've got an inside track I think it's unfounded speculation at best, vandalism otherwise. Have a look at the talk page. Hasn't this character had enough rope? How about a nice fat, juicy permablock? Retarius | Talk 04:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little overcommitted atm (Responsible government and John Howard are primary priorities atm) but I'll get onto the Halden one soon. Re: IPs, we can't block them indefinitely because while there's a lot of offences on the talk page, unless it's a static IP it's very likely to be many different offenders (and what we can't see is the number of legitimate users who log in and make edits from that IP). Usually blocks tend to be fairly short for IPs, the rationale being that a lot of the people vandalising from them don't have a lot of motivation and will get bored easily if they can't edit, and probably will not return for some time. Orderinchaos 05:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Responsible government

Hi, Orderinchaos. Thanks for the compliment. I've never studied this subject formally, just been exposed to it at the coal face for a number of years. So I can't really recommend any resources, but I'm sure they're out there somewhere. Sorry. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] could you please do me a favor?

Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?

  1. I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
  2. I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

JnWtalk 05:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Howard 1989 loss

I've done a draft rewrite of the paragraph about Howard's 1989 leadership loss to Peacock. I mentioned the drinking. I actually think it makes him look more human. Shows he's actually got some emotion, which wasn't shown often. I'll see your reply down on the Talk Page. Cheers, --Lester 05:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)