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Interesting...

Which of these do we not meet. hehe--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 18:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Review process

we do have tagged A class articles, but this project has no A class review. We do have B class artilces and do not specify according to which guidelines (there are the old wikiguidelines and the new ones from the milhistory project). These issues sghould be clarified and I tend to support an own A class and peer review. Wandalstouring 20:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

We most certainly do have an A-class review. Look at Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Review and Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Quality. It's all there--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 20:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Than your layout definetly needs improvement. Wandalstouring 10:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Our peer review directs to a wikiwide review that is definetly a mess. Wandalstouring 10:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Our layout is almost identical to milhist but we don't have many articles at the moment.The peer review thing was a link that predates the creation of our peer review (About 20 days ago) I fixed it--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 11:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

A-Class review

History of Indonesia is currently under an A-Class review. It is our third one to date--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 10:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Censorship in the Federal Republic of Germany

I have nominated Censorship in the Federal Republic of Germany for peer review (linked). I would really appreciate comments and/or collaboration from anyone in this WikiProject.

Thanks! - Revolving Bugbear (formerly Che Nuevara) 18:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Notice of List articles

Page(s) related to this project have been created and/or added to one of the Wikipedia:Contents subpages (not by me).

This note is to let you know, so that experts in the field can expand them and check them for accuracy, and so that they can be added to any watchlists/tasklists, and have any appropriate project banners added, etc. Thanks. --Quiddity 19:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Assessment drive

Okay, we've started recruiting members regularly (About one a day, which I think is a record) so we're going to need to organise some kind of big assessment drive to get all our articles assessed soon. Anyone got any ideas on how we're gonna do this?

  • We'll need some kind of script to find all our articles
  • We'll need to draw attention to the drive somehow, another ad might do and some witty picture, like MilHists would work too

--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 19:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

    • Run an assessment drive with the cooperation of the subprojects. Remember, this is till technically the parent project of any project or task force with a historical leaning; therefore the problem may better be described as an issue of how to make people recognize that this project is the top of the pyamid when dealing with History-based articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TomStar81 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

We're slowing down, we need to get active again

We're slowing down with our work here. This age is supposed to be watchlisted by our members. We need need to get going again or we'll go under--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 20:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Let's see, there haven't been any significant responses to comments in, what, the past week? I think we might be a little bit premature to say the sky is falling after only one week of comparative inactivity. What would probably be best would be to either determine or create some way other than the banner, specific categories work best generally, which would clearly and explicitly indicate that an article within it is one with which this group is specifically concerned, as opposed to any of the subprojects. Also, some of us are on other tasks for a few days yet. And, of course, action would be impacted by the actions of other projects. I personally kind of like the way the religion project has indicated its scope: that it deals explicitly with those articles which do not fall clearly within the scope of any other extant religion project or that deal with subjects relevant to three or more different, not directly related, projects. A similar approach to determining this project's scope might work as well. Certainly, setting such guidelines would probably involve doing work for some of the child projects as well with tagging, but doing so would also help establish goodwill with those other projects. John Carter 20:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Doug and I have been discussing overhauling WP:EH. You might want to take a look. - Revolving Bugbear 20:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
This project isn't going down. This is a top level project, it needs to play a supporting role and help the subprojects grow (both membership and organizational structure). We all have articles to edit and many of us have multiple projects to work on, you included Phoenix, so no offense, but WP:CHILL, please.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 00:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I see no harm in promoting our cause by using Phoenix-wiki's ideas. It is not like we are wasting ink or harming things in any way- in fact, by getting the word out, we are acting positively to help articles expand. It really does surprise me every time I see historical articles not tagged or recognized and those which need our help. I know we all can't edit everything, but if no one says anything then we really have no purpose for having this WP at all. Monsieurdl 01:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
1) The proper place to discuss the future of this project is right here. 2) Rome wasn't built in a day. That's all I'm getting at. --Doug.(talk • contribs) 02:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Trust me, as soon as I finish tagging the rodent articles for the new Pocket pets group, I'll start tagging some of the historical articles again. However, there does remain the question of how to tag for projects which have banners but not assessments. If someone wanted to be really useful, they might contact some of the other history projects to see if they would be willing to use our banner for assessment purposes. John Carter 01:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if they need to use our banner for assessments, but I was strictly speaking about getting the word out about going through articles for assessments, what really needs help, input on general history topics, etc. I don't know how many would be willing to give up their banners for ours, but it could be added if they agreed and so we would have a record. Of course, there would be a problem if an article had four, five, or more banners. That would be ugly! Monsieurdl 01:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I could adjust the banner like some of the other projects have to include a drop-down at the bottom saying that the article is specifically supported by their project, like the Template:WPMILHIST does, and adjust the banner to give separate assessments for each subproject as well. That would help reduce the banner clutter, and probably help some of those projects get a better idea regarding the quality of the articles relevant to their project. John Carter 01:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering about the very same thing, I suggested a less comprehensive version at Wikipedia:WikiProject European history. What do User:Revolving Bugbear and the two coordinators here think about that idea? (I specifically ask for Bugbear's opinion because he's active at European history with me, obviously anyone else is welcome to chime in too). Seems like that is is exactly the sort of thing this project can do for the subs.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 02:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Another way to deal with banner profusion is the useful banner shell template. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 03:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that's a separate issue, for which that is the best solution. I think John was just suggesting a general History Banner that all subprojects could use, not so much for decluttering as to cement the relationship between the projects and avoid everyone having to create the same thing over and over again. Am I right John?--Doug.(talk • contribs) 04:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Basically, yes. That would allow the article to be assessed, and potentially even display at the bottom the name of the relevant subproject, all in the same banner, in much the same way that the Template:WP Australia and others do. Also, by instituting that sort of setup, it would probably make it even easier for other subprojects to be created, as it would require less work to create everything, go about tagging, etc., as at least some of that work would already be done. John Carter 15:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea, but what about projects with many task forces? We'll clearly have to forget about MilHist and History of science in this--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 18:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
With the caveats brought up by Phoenix-wiki, I think this is a good idea. - Revolving Bugbear 18:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not myself entirely sure what those caveats specifically are, though. I don't see adding Military history to the banner anytime soon, they already have a more than adequate assessment component. WikiProject History of science covers a rather different area, and already has assessment, so I'd leave that alone as well. Basically, at least initially, I was only thinking of those projects who either don't have assessments to be incorporated into the banner, and, potentially, the project itself. Only thereafter do I think anyone should even consider trying to merge in active projects with assessments. -- John Carter (talk) 18:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
That was what I meant, not to include the MilHist or Science logo, or any other established project's ones--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 19:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposal

I've made a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#What to do with WikiProject History--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 23:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year

I noticed that the WikiProject History talk page template was added to Talk:February 9. Is it the intention of this project to make Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year a subordinate project? That might be a good idea in order to get more interest and organization behind the days of the year articles but it seems to conflict with the proposal above. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 20:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The banner seems to have been added by one of the project's more active editors, so I guess it'd be best if he responded. Personally, I would welcome getting more attention to those articles myself, and wouldn't necessarily mind if the History banner were adjusted to generate statistics for the Days of the year project, but right now that's beyond my own limited abilities. I do look forward to answers from others, too. John Carter (talk) 21:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
It was me who placed the template, it was an accident. I dunno about making you a subordinate project as you're not about history solely. It might be beneficial to work in close contact with days of the year though--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 22:52, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
As for getting more attention to those articles, maybe we could create a subpage to list historic events that can be added to such pages? That would help.--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 22:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I think the days of the week project pretty much is basically solely history, as their basic focus is to list historical events that happened on a given day. Granted, it's rather an unusual extension of the topic, but still falls within the scope of this project. John Carter (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
So what do you want to do? MAke it anothner child task force or a task force? I think it's fine the way it is though we should list it as a child project--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 16:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
It's already a child of Wikipedia:WikiProject Time. Let's leave it alone for now but think about it for the future. If membership in both projects doesn't improve, maybe combining might be in order. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 04:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

New WikiProject Created

The United States WikiProject has been created. If you're interested, please add your name to the list of participants. I'm currently working on getting all the templates and categories created (i.e., fixing all the red links). Any and all assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! Corvus coronoides talk 13:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I look forward to aiding you whenever possible- as I noted in the participants section, I'm most knowledgeable in early American history since it coincides with a lot of the history of New France. Nice addition! Monsieurdl (talk) 13:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I assume you posted to attract the attention of users with the knowledge of US history, which is a great idea. We currently don't have the manpower but a US task force might be something to think about creating in the future. What do you think, John--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 16:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Certainly, if the members of the new project wished to use the {{WikiProject History}} template for assessment purposes, it would probably be easier to maintain than an entirely separate banner. It might also have the benefit of allowing the banner to be used for multiple related task forces which deal with a specific article, reducing the amount of talk page space taken up by the banners. If the members of the project wanted to use the History project banner, I think the changes could be made rather easily. John Carter (talk) 16:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think switching banners is really an issue at all. Corvus coronoides talk 17:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

RfC Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand

Could editors please take a look at this article and comment on its talk page? It is mostly the work of one editor and I have concerns about neutrality. It is also looking increasingly unencyclopedic and probably contains excessive detail (such as on the 1903 coup). Your opinion may differ, of course. --ROGER DAVIES talk 11:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Will do--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 23:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much. For the avoidance of doubt, my specific concerns are verifiability, neutrality and undue weight plus various Manual of Style issues. (It has the longest section headings I've ever seen on Wikipedia, for instance. Though no doubt someone will be along soon with links to even longer ones :)) --ROGER DAVIES talk 11:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


2001 Cincinnati riots needs your help

2001 Cincinnati riots is currently tagged This article does not cite any references or sources. (September 2006). Some cites have apparently been added since then, but the article still needs cleanup. -- Writtenonsand 19:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Addded to openasks--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 21:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Chinese Exclusion Act

Chinese Exclusion Act is on WP:ACID If you can help out that'll be great. Marlith T/C 05:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

A-class

The A-class review department isn't very active, and I note we haven't any A-class articles at present (Category:A-Class history articles). (There was one but its A status wasn't assigned by the project [1].) Why don't we adopt a simpler assessment scale, simply leaving out A-class (FA-GA-B-Start-Stub)? Other projects have their own scale, e.g. Maths: FA-A-GA-Bplus-B-Start-Stub; so, I don't see why we shouldn't. It doesn't actually require any coding changes, as if we simply leave it out, the v1.0 team automatically ignores it, cf. Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography (baronets) articles by quality statistics. DrKiernan (talk) 10:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, people have a habit of assigning A-class without discussion, but that's the standard layout for most wikiprojects and having an unconventional layout would mean no statisctics, as the bot doesn't recognise anyhting except the current fromat (Of course, importance ratings can e removed, but it might be better to keep them)--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 20:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals#Assessment does not recognise GA-class and has deleted that category (see Category:WPChem worklist articles by quality). The bot works quite happily without it. As I said above, it doesn't require any coding changes to the bot, it just ignores empty or missing categories. So, if we decide to delete A-class, I think we can just go ahead and do it. DrKiernan (talk) 08:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe, but we won't be deciding to delete A-Class anytime soon--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 20:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Wales

If anyone can help, still needed is an article about the History of the Jews in Wales to complete the History of the Jews in Europe. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 12:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Templates

How about more fully integrating WP Eurohist by adding a |europe=yes parameter to {{WikiProject History}} which automatically switches an article from this parent project to the daughter one, and also means that Eurohist can use this project's peer review and A-class review processes (if they wish to do so)? British Royalty and Biography have this kind of relationship and it seems to work well. I don't know much about template coding though, so someone else would have to actually do it. DrKiernan (talk) 08:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. I'm afraid that the template coding is probably beyond my own, meager, abilities, but I'll at least try to come up with something in the next few days. Anyone else who feels more comfortable regarding such matters is free to jump in before me, of course. John Carter (talk) 15:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm working on the Africa template. Oh yeah, John, I've got the syntax rigth and now it's just tedious typing out of the same thing, but'll it'll be done soon--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 21:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
No rush. Sorry to be putting you to all this work, but I'm really too stupid to figure it out myself. John Carter (talk) 22:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Phantom time hypothesis

Phantom time hypothesis: "The Phantom time hypothesis is a theory developed by Heribert Illig (born 1947 in Vohenstrauß) in 1991, which suggests that the Early Middle Ages (more precisely, the period 614–911 AD) never occurred, meaning that all artifacts attributed to this period are from other times and that all historical figures from this period are outright fabrications."
-- Article is currently peppered with "fact" and "cleanup" tags requesting that mainstream-historical criticisms of this eccentric theory be cited. This is fair (if silly) and IMHO shouldn't be too arduous for historians.
(We also have New Chronology (Fomenko), but that's in better shape.) -- Writtenonsand (talk) 14:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

1345

This is an article a couple of us have completely revamped in an experiment to see if it was possible to make a year article an FA. Obviously, it's a history article, so any help you could lend would be wonderful. Wrad (talk) 02:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Antonio Armijo

Hi, can somebody give me some help editing and improving this article, I would like to try and push it to GA status. Blueanode (talk) 16:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD on History of western Eurasia

The above article is currently being considered for deletion. Anyone interested should feel free to take part in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of western Eurasia. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Robert Conquest needs cleanup

Robert Conquest needs cleanup for neutrality and weasel problems. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Decent history book article?

I'm starting an article about The History of the World (the book by JM Roberts). Are there any history book articles that are rated Good Article or Featured article that I could use as a guide? --Sean Brunnock (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Changing country's history by a Wiki-vote, or whats in a single vowel

I have today come across a curious case of a country which wants to change its history. This country is now known as Romania. Ostensibly the current explanation of the etymology on the article page is that the Romanians are descendants of Romans. My proposition is that until recently (in historical terms) it was known as Wallachia or Rumelia have been rejected. The proposition that WWallachins may have arrived in Roman Dacia, and found soldier settlers there speaking Vulgar Latin in the 5th Century CE, and like the French, adopted the tongue was found by the editors to be a personal insult, as well as one to their country. Even the fact that the root of the word Rumania comes from the Arabic ar-Rum for Rome (included in the Koran in the 7th Century), and was shortened to Rum by the Ottoman Empire who used it to refer to the Greek speaking Byzantium, has failed to change the editors' minds on the naming of the country in their determination to Latinise Rumania to Romania. The article has again been submitted for FA rating. This despite the etymology having been shunted off to a behind the scenes page with untranslated references (mostly Rumanian and Italian, and one undated encyclical from Vatican). I have requested a third party assessment of the page after my comments were repeatedly deleted from discussion. Would appreciate someone looking in on it.--mrg3105mrg3105 14:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't sound too good. Could you link to the page, I'll have a look.--Phoenix-wiki 14:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
If you're talking about the Romania page, I tend to think that the policy of WP:NAME fairly clearly establishes that of the name of the page, as that is the spelling in the English language versions of the European Union site here, the Romanian Tourist Office site here, and the English language version of the governmental website here If you're discussing some other name, please specificy the page in question. Even the comments are deleted, we can review the page history to see them. Thanks. John Carter (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe he's referring to what information on the spelling should be contained in the lead paragraph and what in the Etymology section. - Revolving Bugbear 16:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

"Romania" does derive from "Roman". "Rumelia" is correctly explained above as deriving from the Arab/Turkish "Rum" (=(Eastern) Rome). The Turks used it to describe their previously Byzantine territory west of the Bosporus (in opposition to Anatalia on the eastern shore). In more recent times the name referred to territories now part of Bulgaria and Greece that at first remained under Turkish control. Eastern Rumelia became autonomous in 1878 and was annexed by Bulgaria in 1885, parts of Western Rumelia in 1913. Other parts of Western Rumelia (more or less coextensive with Macedonia) went to Greece and Serbia. Romania has nothing to do with it, as the two Principalities were autonomous all along, separated by a natural border (the Danube) and had gained independence before the Bulgarian crisis. Str1977 (talk) 22:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Naming Conventions: Monarchs

The naming convention for monarchs has previously been an exception to Wikipedia's general naming conventions. Efforts are now being made to bring them in line, with a propoasl for the most common name for a monarch to take precedence. (eg. William the Conqueror, Napoleon Bonaparte, Mary, Queen of Scots.) Please consider the proposals at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Proposals to change Monarchal naming conventions so we can get wide consensus on this matter. Thanks. Gwinva (talk) 01:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Presidents and Kings of Greece

Hello everybody, please have a look into this proposed merger.

Thank you, Str1977 (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Subprojects

It might be possible to integrate a switch into the project banner to permit separate assessments for a variety of countries, thus allowing, for instance, French history, German history, Spanish history, etc. Would the members of this project be interested in setting up such national history work groups for the countries which probably have the most articles related to their histories? John Carter (talk) 02:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. I'll get in touch with some of the larger national projects and ask if they'd like a co-task force in our project space. There's no point setting up task forces for countries that not many people arfe interested in editing though.--Phoenix-wiki 20:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for assistance at Children's Crusade

This is an article in need of a makeover. It's confusing and heavily dependent on one historian's view. --Dweller (talk) 16:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Concerns about articles

Would watchers of this page look at Psychohistory and Early infanticidal childrearing, two articles which seem to relate to history. I wonder if they are pushing a fringe POV, or if they are accurate, and do not have the expertise to judge. Slrubenstein | Talk 14:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I've heard of Psychohistory in this context before, so I think whether it is fringe or not it probably qualifies as notable enough for an article, given the likes of Fawn Brodie using its principles. And from what little I remember of the subject, the page is generally accurate. In all honesty, though, I'm more familiar with Psychohistory (fictional), which probably won't surprise anybody. Regarding the latter, I honestly don't know one way or another, but the psychology wikia has an article on it. I think Wikipedia:WikiProject Psychology would probably know more about that subject than we would, and I see you've notified them as well. I hope someone responds on the subject there, as I myself can't tell from a web search whether it's notable enough to have a separate article or not. John Carter (talk) 15:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

My concern is not so much with the notability of "psychohistory" as such - I know that it is a theory or method often taught in history courses. My concern is whether this article accurately represents that ehory or method that is used by professional historians and taught in university courses ... or whether the article violates NPOV, or focuses on a fringe view or version of psychohistory, or provides an inaccurate account of the field. By the way, I have left a similar query on the psychology page. BUT: I asked psychology friends/colleagues of mine if they have heard of psychohistory and aside from specific books by freud and Erikson (i.e., in relation to the people cited in this article) the answer was no. On the other hans, I had friends who were history majors in college who told me that one of the views they studied was psychohistory. Slrubenstein | Talk 15:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

History sections of the Lists of basic topics

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  54. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic urban studies topics#History of urban studies
  55. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic world wide web topics#History of the world wide web
  56. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic oceanography topics#History of oceanography
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  58. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic modern history topics#Historiography of modern history
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  63. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic mass communication topics#History of mass communication
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  65. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic mining topics#History of mining
  66. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic optical technology topics#History of optical technology
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Thank you.

The Transhumanist 10:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there a tag for "This article needs a history section"?

I keep running into articles missing history on the topic. Is there a tag for this? If so, please point me to it!

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 10:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

{{WikiProject History}} is our tag. I will open a subpage where such articles can be listed since tagging them seems rather pointless. Wandalstouring (talk) 17:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Thinking about the issue again a category might be a better approach. I would like to consult my fellow coordinator, but he seems not inclined to respond yet. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I think he means {{histinfo}}. John Carter (talk) 13:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I like the idea of a category — Category:Articles lacking a History section, that would be easier to use than a subpage.--Phoenix-wiki 14:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Needing help

My article Prehistoric medicine has been selected as a Start grade article, but there is a mention on the discussion page of it being upgraded to a B-status, but there is also a criteria thingy-majigy that I don't know what to do with; it says add it to the template call..? Could someone experienced in this field (or just more experienced than I am) please help me sort this out. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 17:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Look here. Wandalstouring (talk) 17:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Family tree/template

There are several articles about various members of the Birley family, most of whom are descended from Richard Birley (1743 - 1812), merchant.[1] I would like to link them together using some form of family tree/template. Can anyone point me to where I can find something that I can use as a model? Thanks for any help. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 09:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Hm. I regret that I know not of any already existing template. But if someone with the coding wizardry skills were to create one, I think it'd be of huge help. LordAmeth (talk) 08:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Use Template:Familytree. You can see its implementation at House of Hador. Wandalstouring (talk) 14:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice - I have now completed the initial version of the Birley family tree at Template:Birley family. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 09:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Schools DVD

Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_CD_Selection/additions_and_updates#History where the proposed changes going from the 2007 Schools DVD to the 2008 one are listed. Theren't aren't many changes or updates listed even though History is one of the biggest sections (see http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/index/subject.History.htm) in part because we don't really have a history buff helping with the project. Any advice would be very welcome. --BozMo talk 15:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

coordinator elections

We have almost a hundred members now and a very well organized page. It is time to organize the election of 3 coordinators. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Candidates can sign up here. Voting will start on 1 March 2008 and end on 31 March 2008. The 3 candidates with most votes will be elected as new coordinators. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Was this election proposed anywhere? I believe an undertaking like this should be discussed first rather than simply being implemented out of the blue. I don't believe this project needs an election for this. It's overly formal. The current coordinators were self-selected, and that works just fine until someone objects, and nobody has. I support self-selection, and applaud the current coordinators for stepping forward to run the project. But please, don't over-coordinate. :) The Transhumanist 20:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I would agree, unless there were others who also sought the post and it proved to be the case that there were more people interested in being coordinators than were necessary. Having said that, I think some discussion as to how many coordinators there should be might not be a bad idea. John Carter (talk) 20:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
What do coordinators do exactly? Their description on the project page shouldn't scare anyone off. Newcomers may not realize that WikiProject pages are subject to direct editing and consensus-building like any other page. The Transhumanist    21:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Basically, they do what the coordinators of WP:MILHIST do. I'm virtually certain that that is the model being followed here. They basically get stuck with the jobs that Kirill and the other coordinators do over there. Basically, they're I guess advisors as required and more or less responsible for the regular functioning of the project. I think. More or less. John Carter (talk) 23:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Transhumanist makes a good point; I'm surprised I failed to think of it that way on my own... But in the end, I'm happy with whichever outcome. LordAmeth (talk) 02:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I wrote an essay on what it is exactly that coordinators do, it here, if anyone wants to read it. Essentially, its like being the teachers assistant in a pre-k class: you are agreeing to help cleanup the toys, pickup the left over juice cups, read the stories, and just generally be avaliable to help the teacher with what ever he or she may need. There really isn't anything special about the position, but when dealing with dozens (or in our case, over 700) screaming children its nice for our contributers to know that there are a few people whom they can run to for help should they need it. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Maybe - but whoever they end up being - this revamped project also needs individuals who can very clearly indicate to all and sundry where the boundaries of this new era of the history project begins and ends. And I also suspect they will need to have the diplomatic skills to help and create a good understanding of what the new history project is doing. Specially where members of existing projects seeing history in their projects being linked or looked at - might have some not very clear ideas of what exactly is going on. In anthropological terms - cultural brokers SatuSuro 02:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
My fellow coordinator isn't very active any more, so I decided to set up the vote for this project deserves some good coordinators. Wandalstouring (talk) 05:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
To all who had not yet time to read what the project's page says about coordinators:
The project coordinators are generally responsible for maintaining all of the procedural and administrative aspects of the project, and serve as the designated points-of-contact for procedural issues. They are not, however, endowed with any special executive powers.
Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) and Wandalstouring (talk · contribs) are the current coordinators of this project due to the extremely small membership. There will hopefully be an election when the project is large enough.
I hope that answers all questions. Even after I flogged out all inactive members and multiple members we are 71 active participants. Wandalstouring (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Well maybe discussion about coordinators isnt the place for this - the general status and standard of historical information right across wikipedia appears to suggest that there are significant numbers of individuals who have neither any access to historical information - web based or not, or any understanding of its importance to give credence to a large number of smaller articles that dont lie in the FA/GA ambit. I would encourage any would be or extant coordinators to pick up the pieces of the smaller fallen by the wayside histinfo project and any other attempts at improving hist context - and utilise anything or do anything that might encourage contributors/editors to actually consider historical context of their subject/article/information - perhaps asking for something more than has been accepted above - but there is a potentially missionary role to be included in the job description SatuSuro 12:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
No, I'm not that active any more. I got this project back up running after it had gone inactive and organised banners, templates etc. If there is an election I might run, though I feel I can now be more of an asset in the mainspace.--Phoenix-wiki 13:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
No candidates to vote for and I'm no longer interested in being a coordinator or member. Wished my retreat could have left behind a well organized project, but it's impossible with this project. Wandalstouring (talk) 15:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Part of the problem is that I think a lot of people aren't yet necessarily convinced that elections are required for coordinators for this project, as there hasn't yet been a lot to coordinate. And, certainly right now, it would probably involve getting input from all the other extant history projects to help get some input from them as well. I do certainly think that this project, and any number of others, could use a list "contact men" which could be contacted regarding the project, but, as it stands, the scope is still so poorly defined that I don't think anyone necessarily knows what is going to be dealt with. Having said that, I probably wouldn't mind myself being listed as a "contact man", but don't myself think that I would necessarily be at least right now able to devote sufficient time to this project in particular to take a more official "coordinator" position. If anyone else thinks that they might be able to function as a "contact person", though, I think that perhaps having them list themselves as such might help rather a lot. John Carter (talk) 16:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

American Revolution GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I have reviewed American Revolution and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article along with other task forces/WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

FAC

Hello. I have nominated an article, Huldrych Zwingli for FAC and I would like to ask if people here could comment, review, and vote. The reason I am posting this message here is that I would like to avoid canvassing, so I am leaving this message on Wikiprojects that are related to, but not directly associated with the topic. This concerns a historic figure. Thanks and please vote (Oppose or Support). --RelHistBuff (talk) 09:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== Propose reactivation of continental task forces ==

I propose that the previously created continental task forces of this project be formally reinstated, with the exception of the European task force, which has significant overlap with the Wikipedia:WikiProject European history. Also, there is a question about placing a proposed project regarding 1848, currently at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Revolutions of 1848 as a subproject of this project. Comments? John Carter (talk) 16:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Well our membership has significantly increased though I sill don't know if it's large enough to warrant this.
It may not be so much a matter of membership as scope. A lot of editors I think will be interested only in the history of only a few areas, and this will allow them to focus on the content they consider relevant. John Carter (talk) 20:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps, but it may be better to create national task forces whenever we gain interested in a specific country, might be more efffective.--Phoenix-wiki 18:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, actually. There certainly wouldn't be any objections to create sub task forces, like both Military history and Former countries already do. Personally, I see the reestablishment of the continental groups as being one of the first steps in that direction. John Carter (talk) 20:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps. In that case it would be better to restore them rather than create new ones. Coul you do that?--Phoenix-wiki 08:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

1100s discussion

There's a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#Requested moves about what the 1100s, 1200s etc. should mean. Articles like 1100s currently form part of the series on decades; however it is proposed that they should be about centuries, in line with usage. Since the discussion is not generating a whole lot of new light at the moment, contributions would be welcome.--Kotniski (talk) 16:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Bryant

Arthur Bryant was a historian, particularly of England. I know next to nothing about him (or historiography); I merely read in something about Wotton House that he preceded John Gielgud as resident of a pavilion, with the implication that he was well known. I went to the page about him, which looks very wrong. Comments on the talk page seem to agree, but I can't judge offhand and I don't have the time to check (e.g. by looking him up in the Dictionary of National Biography or whatever the OUP monster is called). Can somebody knowledgable take a look? (Crossposted to Wikiproject England.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a short version of that work which I am using to expand the article now. The subject certainly appears to have embraced ideas which we would now call unpopular, but I do tend to think that the existing structure is far less than acceptable. I'll try to add the other information from the source tomorrow. I personally do consider the volume of quotations to have at the least WP:Undue weight problems, and will probably try to trim the amount of them considerably. Unfortunately, I don't know that much offhand about the subject myself, so that's probably about all I will be able to do unassisted. With any luck, someone who has more direct knowledge of the subject will help as well. John Carter (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Museums

Would it be worth adding Wikipedia:WikiProject Museums to related wikiprojects? It's a new project but has obvious links with this one in improving the coverage of museums & artifacts etc.— Rod talk 10:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, added--193.120.116.177 (talk) 08:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Coordination

Well it appers there's been a little panic during Wandalstouring's and I's recent inactivity. Well I think I'm ready to reassume the position, though JohnCarter is already a coordinator in all but name. I've been doing a lot of mainspace work btw, hope to get History of timekeeping devices to FA soemtime in the future.--Phoenix-wiki 08:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Burr-Hamilton duel

Burr-Hamilton duel is right on the thin edge of being GA, and it looks like there's enough meat there to build an FA from. A good project for anyone who's interested. Ling.Nut (talk) 05:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

POV in history-related articles that have been recovered from public domain encyclopedias

I have found a tremendous amount of POV in articles relating to history that have been copied from encyclopedias in the public domain. We need an effort to eradicate POV assertions from those entries. — Rickyrab | Talk 16:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, I've gone through a lot of articles about Egypt ripping out obvious copyvio, not from encyclopedias but from all sorts of places (this was by one editor which made it easier). I'm just now looking at Romulus and Remus trying to figure out if this [2] is a copy of Wikipedia or the other way around. There are some other new articles which have sprung up fully polished that I also wonder about. Maybe we should make a list?--Doug Weller (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Add any articles you find with POV problems that are related to history to the to do list at the top of the page above. That'll help get at least some attention to them. John Carter (talk) 17:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

garbage heap of history

Someone is actually trying to throw the garbage heap of history onto the garbage heap of history. Pontiff Greg Bard (talk) 00:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)