Talk:Firefly (TV series)

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[edit] Centralized TV Episode Discussion

Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [1]. --Maniwar (talk) 21:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] userbox?

I was surprised to find no userbox for us brown coats to display with pride. perhaps someone could create one? please notify me on my talk page if you do! xenocidic (talk) 16:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahem:

{{User:EVula/Userboxes/Firefly fan}} and {{User:EVula/Userboxes/Firefly browncoat}} - Steve T • C 16:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I was not able to find it in either Wikipedia:Userboxes/Media/Television and Wikipedia:Userboxes/Science_Fiction xenocidic (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
...probably because I should have been looking in Wikipedia:Userboxes/Media/Television_(shows)#Firefly *sheepish grin* Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction steve, and orangemike. xenocidic (talk) 18:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Firefly (soundtrack)

An Articles for Deletion discussion has recently concluded on the article Firefly (soundtrack). The result of the discussion was to merge the information to the Music section of the main article, although the closing admin declined to perform the merger themselves, requesting that other editors do so to avoid cluttering this article. A mergetag has been placed on the Soundtrack article, but not here yet.

Previously, I merged in the soundtrack infobox (which I have just updated with the most recent version from the soundtrack article, and added a line about the slightly different digital EP release before the physical CD release (see this 2-edit diff). I've just updated the infobox. The only other things in that article but not in the main article are the CD tracklist (which has been suggested be converted to the {{tracklist}} template when/if included), an unsourced whinge about the lack of "The Ballad of Jane Cobb" on the CD, and some external links that may/may not be of use.

So I'm making it known that Firefly (soundtrack) needs to be merged and redirected to the Music section of the main article. Does anything else need to be merged over before it is redirected? -- saberwyn 07:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The tracklist template and information is posted below this comment. All other information has either been merged to this article, or in my opinion is not appropriate to merge. The tracklist is the only thing I'm uncertain about, so I'm putting the code here, and leaving the problem to the real Browncoats. -- saberwyn 07:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

All music composed by Greg Edmonson.

[edit] Break at end of template

Any comments on the template/merge below this heading
  • Since there seem to be no objections, I went ahead and added the track listing (after simplifying/cleaning up the code a little). I also changed the paragraph order of the music section, to have the text progress more naturally from concept and creation to the retail releases of the music, so that the track listing does not just pop out of nowhere at the end of the section. – Cyrus XIII (talk) 11:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Shiny. Looks good. -- saberwyn 22:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series

I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Um well I don't think that article would survive on Wikipedia anyway. It seems to be entirely based on original research, supposition and conjecture. Sorry to say. Canterbury Tail talk 17:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
See wp:v and wp:nor - if you can reference reliable third party sources making the connections it'll be okay with those core requirements, tho it'll take more references to show that Tommy's universe is notable enough for an encyclopia. -- Jeandré, 2008-03-16t21:54z
Assuming that it's all accurate, I would expect that many of the connexions are homages or in-jokes rather than serious attempts to tie series together. —Tamfang (talk) 06:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The article in question is based on (to put it gently) a fringe theory which holds that any recurrence of a character, brand name, etc., means that the series are all in the same shared universe. (It starts with I Love Lucy and goes on through the Firefly universe). As Tamfang speculates, most of these are in-jokes and homages, rather than actual spin-offs or even crossovers; but Lady Aleena a.k.a. LA is taking it all seriously. When I tried to challenge her, she was not happy with me. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BSG cameo of Firefly-class ship

I see that my edit is the second one to mention the brief appearance of a Firefly-class ship in the Battlestar Galactica miniseries, and the second one to have it deleted because it wasn't a "real" cameo. Can the editors who reverted this please give some more details for those of us who are more casual fans? This may also help forestall future edits & reverts; I checked the Talk pages (including the Archives) before finalizing this addition. Country Wife (talk) 14:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Unless the ship was explicitly identified in BG (in the script) as a Firefly-class ship, all you can say is, "That sure looked like a Firefly-class ship there!" In other words, unsourced original research and not verifiable. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
No, it's an actual appearance; the same people did the special effects for both. If I wasn't watching BSG via Netflix, I'd watch the miniseries again with the director commentary; it's possible that they mention it there.
No argument that without a source it shouldn't be placed, just mentioning that it's more than a "they happen to look similar" sort of thing; WP:OR still applies. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The appearance of a Firefly-looking ship in BSG is really minor, and was (in my opinion) only inserted because ZOIC did the digital animation for both Firefly and BSG. Its probably worth mentioning in the article on the ship, but its not that important in the context of the series. As another example, one of the other cameos is of the original USS Enterprise from Star Trek... how important is this specific appearance in the context of the Star Trek franchise? -- saberwyn 21:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to all for clarifying this; Saberwyn, your example is very helpful in putting the whole thing into perspective. Country Wife (talk) 13:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion of Brust novel

Please discuss the inclusion of the Brust novel here, which seemingly has consensus to remain, at least in terms of the edit summaries. i.e. 16:55, February 6, 2008 Orangemike (Talk | contribs) (80,495 bytes) (restore mention of release of original novel by notable professional author in this genre) Thanks. xenocidic (talk) 12:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way, the justification provided for the removal of the section ([2] [3]) is not valid: per Wikipedia:NN#Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content. xenocidic (talk) 12:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

This entry does not state the connection to Firefly or why it is important. All it says is a book by author Burst was released a license and is available on his web site. Y Done -Fnlayson (talk) 13:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

In the original form, I was unhappy with the inclusion (although not unhappy enough to remove it myself), but after the restructuring, the paragraph now shows, describes, and sources why this piece of seemingly gussied-up fanfiction is important to the series. -- saberwyn 21:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes I forget how active articles like this can be, and I removed it without discussing it. Nevertheless, the fact remains that it is unpublished fan fiction. Adding it might not violate any policy guidelines, it does not add anything to the article. I know that Brust is of semi fame, but the fact remains that it is web posted fan fiction. It is not published, not academic, and importantly, not official - it adds nothing to an encyclopedic entry on a television series. Disco (talk) 00:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm taking it from the other perspective (and maybe the article should be reworded to reflect this). (1) There were plans for a series of books set in the 'Verse in 2005. (2) The planned first book was cancelled in 2005, after it was written or at least well in progress, because of "various economic realities" (i.e. the publisher got cold feet) (3) The author of the aforementioned half-finished work is a professional, award winning sci-fi/fantasy author. (4) The author self-published the story on his website 3 years after he was told to can it.
From the point of view of the history of the TV series, I think that 1 and 2 are important. 4 is a somewhat happy footnote to the cancellation in 2. 3 is not that important to the series, but it provides context for the sequence of events. I'd be happier to have more and more detailed sources than the single article from a New York Times reporter's publisher-sanctioned blog, but its better than some of the other stuff in the spin-off section. -- saberwyn 08:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I would consider it a fair comprimise if the wording is rewritten to put focus on (1) and (2), and (4) is also mentioned but without the emphasis of the other points. After all, (1) and (2) in their own right deserve a mention, so as long as proper emphasis is mantained, I don't see any harm in mentioning (4) Disco (talk) 04:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Is it a bit better now? -- saberwyn 07:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
It gets my seal of approval ;) Disco (talk) 02:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline

Can anyone reference 100% which comic series takes place before the other? All that seems to be mentioned on the three wikis is that both comics take place between the show and the movie. I would assume that the newer comic takes place after the first one, but I have to admit that I have read neither of them. Then again there is plenty of reason to to include both in the listing. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 02:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

--I've Read both, Better Days takes place before Those Left Behind because Inara and Book leave in Those Left Behind, but are both still on-ship for Better Days. Maybe we should add a Chronology sidebar to the two comic entires and the movie. But, yeah, definitely Better Days is before Those Left Behind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.187.154.49 (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

That's correct - Better Days is definitely before Those Left Behind.

"Better Days" is set before the events of "Serenity." "'Those Left Behind' preceded the film very directly because that's exactly what it was designed to do," Matthews said. "'Better Days' is earlier, more in the heart and status quo -- in as much as there even is one -- of the [television] series."

from [4] -One thing that is not clear with the comics is where Better Days fits into everything. At the end of Heart of Gold, Inara announces that she will leave. Then, in Those Left Behind, Mal tells Inara, "I'm getting you where you want to go as fast as I can. Now, maybe it's not as fast as you'd like, but it's not exactly next door ...", which makes it seem that these two events are fairly close together time-wise. Adding to that, in Better Days, they all go on a vacation, with Inara, and while it's possible for it to take place between the TV series and Those Left Behind, it doesn't seem that likely to me, although the third part may help place it. Zybthranger (talk) 02:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

  • To add my two decimal units of fanspec, the comic has the HoverMule, which means its at least set after War Stories (when the ATVMule was destroyed) or after The Message (which shows the very charred ATVMule still in the hangar). Pegging down a specific point will be next to impossible unless someone screams it from the rooftops in issue 3 of Better Days or in a later comic, mainly because the filming order /= the broadcast order /= the DVD order. But does it really matter where exactly it fits? Better to appreciate it for what it is. -- saberwyn 08:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately, what it IS is something that doesn't have a plausible fit anywhere in the timeline. There's just not enough space. Maratanos (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shepherd's Tale

I altered the section a bit since someone has added the comic (sans article) to the template. Rather than reverting it until publication, I've redirected the page and a few variants to the Shepherd's Tale section of this page, and added a future comic tag. Once there's enough information to move the information into a standalone article, I expect to do so. Jclemens (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm currently working on an overview article for the various comics...when I get it into mainspace it might be an idea to point everything there instead, to avoid cluttering this article. -- saberwyn 20:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I wholeheartedly agree. Let me know if you need any help, and/or feel free to fix the redirects yourself. Jclemens (talk) 21:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)