Talk:Firefly (TV series)/Archive 4
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Narration
Just to clear up the topic of narration. When initially broadcast in the US and UK there was a narration over the credits by Mal on some episodes, and Book on others saying how the earth that was got all used up and they found a new system. The narrations were each slightly different but only appeared on about 4 episodes. They were only on the initial run of broadcast versions and haven't been heard since, they don't appear on any DVD releases. However this isn't the point of the narration section on the infobox, that's for actual narration during the episode. 00:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- This is not really narration - it's part of the introduction to the show. For example, sometimes Majel Barrett-Roddenberry says "previously on Star Trek: The Next Generation..." at the beginning of 2-parters, but she's not the narrator and does not provide significant narration. They aren't either, and aren't credited as such. It's not really up to us to trump that up to "narrated by ___ and ___." --Cheeser1 (talk) 03:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Best solution: On the Narration line put none* and note the voiceover during the one epiode somewhere in text? Just a thought. I see the intent of listing it, but agree that the line in question is designed for a full-time narrator. VigilancePrime (talk) 03:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Frankly, I don't see what value is added to the article to note that two of the characters say a few words in voiceover during a few episodes. This is not an article about episodes, it's about the series. Articles are not supposed to be grab bags filled with trivial info, but well-constructed summaries of the significant elements of the subject. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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killer angels and the other unnamed book
The article currently has this sentence After reading The Killer Angels, Whedon read a book about Jewish partisan fighters in World War II that also influenced him.[6] citing to Serenity: The Official Visual Companion. Can we actually get the name of the book? Even if it's only in the footnote it would be better than the current mysteriously unnamed book. --Lquilter 18:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC) (In the course of dealing with the thrilling "to-merge-or-not-to-merge" discussion, this point got archived without being addressed.) --Lquilter (talk) 17:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- It may be possible that he did not name the book in question in the interview (I can't imagine any other reason for the title of the book to not already be here). --Cheeser1 (talk) 02:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Added "Parodies" section with one item: Mosquito
I restored the "Parodies" section for parodies of Firefly and related items. This particular parody is notable within the Firefly fan community. Please feel free to add other noted parodies related to Firefly. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- If you're going to point people to the talk page like you're the one restoring order, let's not forget that you're doing the exact opposite of what the consensus building process demands. There is no demonstration that this parody is notable or relevant in any way, shape, or form. A little fistful of Google hits (at most, approx 45 independent hits, the vast majority of which are forums, fansites, and things like directories of all Firefly-related fanfilms) is no such proof, because here at Wikipedia, we depend on reliable sources to verify whether something is relevant, notable, or in this case, neither. There is no reason to "call for more parodies" - this is not an article about parodies, nor should it be, nor should any part of it contain a list of irrelevant, non-notable parodies. Multiple editors have reverted the addition of this link - this skit might be humorous, or interesting, or maybe even "notable within the Firefly fan community" (whatever that means), but it's not relevant to this article. There have probably been a thousand parodies, jokes, rip offs, and satires of something more popular (e.g. The Simpsons), but there isn't an extensive list of parodies there, nor a call to generate one, because they simply aren't relevant. --Cheeser1 (talk) 02:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- Without knowing a thing about this particular parody, parodies of a work, if they are by notable people or groups, are an important element of reception, which is a well established part of the real-world aspect of fiction. That's the sort of content which is encouraged by all previous guidelines about fiction, and all current proposals. People keep saying they want more real-world content. But it should be more than a listing--if its notable, say something about it. DGG (talk) 01:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Right, but this doesn't apply to a parody made by an amateur/nameless filmmaker who, like his parody, is of little to no note (getting only a mediocre at best number of Google hits from highly specialized fan oriented sites, e.g. lists of Firefly parodies). --Cheeser1 (talk) 02:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Without knowing a thing about this particular parody, parodies of a work, if they are by notable people or groups, are an important element of reception, which is a well established part of the real-world aspect of fiction. That's the sort of content which is encouraged by all previous guidelines about fiction, and all current proposals. People keep saying they want more real-world content. But it should be more than a listing--if its notable, say something about it. DGG (talk) 01:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, David, but "notable among us Browncoats" is not the same as notable in the Wikipedia sense. It's funny enough; but fails the notability test, big time (as would, say, an article about Jayne's cunning hat). --Orange Mike | Talk 19:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC) (done the impossible)
