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Archive from January 24th, 2008

Deletion discussion

I find it rude that you said I have very few mainspace edits. And also this does not give you the right to delete my userpage. I will try to contribute to the encyclopedia.  iXela  talk  21:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


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Question

On Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WKEL-FM, you closed it as "No consensus". According to my count, it was a "Keep". Only six "Delete" votes were cast and 10 "Keep" votes. So, my question....why the "no consensus"? It looks like the consensus was "Keep". - NeutralHomer T:C 17:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

First, "No consensus" implies "Keep". The administrators job is not to just count votes. I was concerned about the quality of the arguments on both sides. The delete votes tended to not understand WP:CRYSTAL, while the keep votes were rather unsure about the opening of the station. The article for example talked of a date that has already gone and also of moving the license from one place to another. I came down to "No consensus" as leaving the possibility more open to bringing it back to AfD if the station does not open. If it does open, then all is well. --Bduke (talk) 22:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Okie Dokie, now I understand :) Thanks...NeutralHomer T:C 20:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Essay on neutrality

Thanks for sticking up for my essay. I edit from New York City, where it's currently 14:07. Handy things, these utc templates. Wonder who made 'em, eh, cobber? --Uncle Ed (talk) 00:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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Happy New Year

Happy New Year!

Wow... 42 C in Aust?

Well, it's 21 C in Melbourne, Florida right now, but I'm on vacation in San Francisco, California right now... and it's 8 C here. Good luck with the heat... whew. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 06:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

43 in Adelaide. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Old AfD

I might be jumping the gun, but I don't see an old AfD tag onthe talk page of Etruscan coins. MBisanz 04:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you are right. I forgot. Done now. Thanks. --Bduke (talk) 11:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Lead(II) nitrate, back to FA?

Hi, Bduke Wim copy-edited the lead(II) nitrate article from the Chemicals wikiproject, after it was recentely demoted from its FA-status. Care to look at the FAC this round? — Rlevse • Talk • 18:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Scouting WikiProject in the Signpost

We'll be in the Signpost on Wednesday, 2 Jan about 17:00 UTC, someone noticed us, be sure to read it, many of us get it, read it on my talk page if you like. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hello Bduke, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2008 brings further success, health and happiness! ...and further nationalist conquests ;) All the best!.... ~ Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


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ScoutWiki...

Hi Bduke,

I've left you a message over on the English ScoutWiki, and just thought i'd let you know it was there.

Thanks,

Bluegoblin7 20:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XCritic

Hi Bduke! No consensus? 7 deletes with reasoning; 4 keeps, of which one is SPA, one is the author and one provides reasoning that indicates they haven't read the article. That doesn't look like 'no consensus' to me: it looks like a walkover delete. Would you like to reconsider, rather than have me take this to WP:DRV? Thanks! ➔ REDVEЯS says: at the third stroke the time will be 21:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I saw an increasing number of sources being added as the debate went on, so I'm not prepared to reconsider, particularly as that would change a keep 3 days ago to a delete. If it is to be changed it has to go to Deletion Review given the time lag. --Bduke (talk) 22:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
As you wish: An editor has asked for a deletion review of XCritic. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ➔ REDVEЯS says: at the third stroke the time will be 12:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Wiki chapter

Many tHanks for the invitation. I am interested. However, might I ask the benefit by setting up an Australian chapter rather than particupating in the process centrally. I have incorporated many bodies and written many constitutions - so perhaps I can assiSt there. i will gladly answer any question in this regard (AltHough I will be overseas for 2 weeks from next Thursday). Alan Davidson (talk) 06:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Rudget!

Dear Bduke, my sincere thanks for your support in my second request for adminship, which ended with 113 supports, 11 opposes, and 4 neutral. I would especially like to thank my admin coach and nominator, Rlevse and Ryan Postlethwaite who in addition to Ioeth all inspired me to run for a second candidacy. I would also like to make a special mention to Phoenix-wiki, Dihyrdogen Monoxide and OhanaUnited who all offered to do co-nominations, but I unfortunately had to decline. I had all these funny ideas that it would fail again, and I was prepared for the worst, but at least it showed that the community really does have something other places don't. Who would have though Gmail would have been so effective? 32 emails in one week! (Even if it does classify some as junk :P) I'm glad that I've been appointed after a nail biting and some might call, decision changing RFA, but if you ever need anything, just get in touch. The very best of luck for 2008 and beyond, Rudget. 15:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks on the AfD log

Kudos for having fixed the mess at the AfD log page! I had added a new AfD (California Chess Congress of 1858) but it somehow merged with the following one (Federal monarchy), as this last one was not correcly configured. My knowledge of markups and susbst is too low so I could not see how to fix it, it was driving me mad! Finally I understand the problem was in the AfD itself of Federal monarchy. Many thanks! SyG (talk) 10:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

  • No worries, mate. --Bduke (talk) 10:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Papua New Guinea fixtures and results

Hi, I have started to expand the page - perhaps you would be good enough to revisit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Papua New Guinea fixtures and results, please? TerriersFan (talk) 19:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank You!

I just wanted to thank you for all you criticism and editing of the page I created. Although it was eventually merged, I am very thankful that wikipedia has such thorough editors.

Jokermole (talk) 04:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope I helped you to learn some of the ways of wikipedia. Doing the merge yourself was very wise. I have just done I few more bits of cleaning up, avoiding double redirects, etc. --Bduke (talk) 04:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I'm having some problems. Smokefoot wants to delete the section entirely. Can you possibly help me persuade him that this small section deserves to stay? Jokermole (talk) 15:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I replied on your talk page and suggested a rewrite of the section on the talk page of diatomic molecule. --Bduke (talk) 23:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Returning

After much thought and deliberation I have decided to return. Many wikians contacted me by various means and I truly appreciate the support from all of them. Man, did I need that wiki break! I have learned from it and will use the experience to improve. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Molecular geometry

To go with your motto of the day, I'm here to request a third opinion. As per request of my chemistry teacher, I built the {{Template:Infobox molecular geometry}} template for use on the molecular geometry pages. It contains information such as steric number, coordination number, examples, and bond angles. I was directed here by User:Jokermole as User:Smokefoot (the very same) has requested that the infobox is misleading and contains false information and should be deleted. Hybridized orbitals have already been removed from the infobox based on his request (though nobody else "actively discourages" it as he claims). No solid third opinion has been given, although User:Dirac66 posted a critique (whose changes I applied). If you could give a third opinion we could stop quarreling over whether or not we think the information is relevant (it may or may not be relevant, but it is at least correct).·· TVOtalk 20:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. I will try to give an honest opinion. However, I do have something of a POV on this question as during my career as a chemistry academic I have argued against the use of hybridization in General Chemistry textbooks. However, it turns out that I and others were right, as it is, perhaps more slowly than it should, being removed from these texts. Hybridization was a brilliant idea when Pauling introduced it, but in most cases and in particular for hypervalent molecules, it is simply untrue. sp3d2 hybridization implies a fixed amount of d participation, in this case twice the s participation and 2/3 of the p participation. Highly accurate calculations have shown that the d participation is much less. I would also note that hybridization is not needed in VSEPR. One of the founders of that, Gillespie, has made that quite clear in several places. Therefore I see no need for hybridization to be in the infobox. --Bduke (talk) 22:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for your insight. In that case I will remove the hybridization syntax from the pages.·· TVOtalk 22:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

article and NZ

I've just set a copy up at User:Kintetsubuffalo/press, please feel free to edit coding if it makes reading easier, I'm just going off what they e-mailed me. Hope that helps.

As to NZ, the land area may be large, but they can't have near as many Scouts as the UK, can they? Chris (クリス) (talk) 08:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

May 8, 107 days, but who's counting? ;) Chris (クリス) (talk) 09:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello again

Brian- Following my comment on the molecular geometry discussion re Sam Small, let me introduce myself, Len Waterworth. You will not remember me but I was a chemistry student at Lancaster where you lectured on theoretical chemistry. I went on to do a PhD with Ian Worrall. It is good to see that you are still so active, and I am impressed by your contributions article and admin-wise to Wikipedia. Stay well and maybe we will "meet" on Wiki again. regards --Axiosaurus (talk) 10:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding deleting of American Jour...

Hi, I wanted to talk about a page that was deleted off of Wikipedia. The content was incorrect and libelous, and we are guessing was created by a ex-employee. Some of the information posted violates the employee non-disclosure agreement that is legally binding even after the employee left work. I have confirmed that the page was created twice by a single-purpose account: BlueDevil1. Is there any way for you to help me further with this issue? -Vic (talk) 01:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

How can I help you further? What help do you want? I thought the sources were adequate but opinion was against me and I have no problem with the deletion of that article. --Bduke (talk) 02:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Well actually some of the information on the page was outright wrong, and some of it was personal opinion, so I have no problem with the speedy deletion of the page. In fact, that would have been the end of it had Google not cached the page and caused a PR nightmare earlier today. However, now, we want to see if the user is one of our ex-employees. Is there any way you can help me with that? I would at least like to see what was posted in the Talk section of the article if you can recover that. -Vic (talk) 03:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe that this user like others is entitled to privacy. However, I could not help you anyway, as I do not have check user privileges. These are used to determine whether one user is the same as another, so it is highly unlikely that the reasons given above would be accepted as reasons to do a check user on that user. The talk page does not appear to have anything that would help you, so I am not convinced that I should recreate it for you to look at. I strongly suggest that you leave this all well alone. --Bduke (talk) 03:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I am as much a privacy advocate as the next man, and I would leave it alone if not for the breach of contract which is forcing my hand. What does the talk page contain? All I want to see is if the allegation is real, and if not, how much trouble this user went to to create a spoof email. Thank you for your replies. -Vic (talk) 04:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
As this has legal ramifications, I suggest you don't ask individual admins for this information. Contact the Wikimedia Foundation if you want to pursue this. Carcharoth (talk) 13:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Aust Barnstar

The Australian Barnstar of National Merit
for your efforts with Australian articles Gnangarra 00:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Chafik charobim.jpg

I would fix it rather than nominating, (I do this often- see Image:Maurice K Goddard.JPG and Image:Maitreya project.jpg for a couple I have done today for instance) but I personally believe that it is being used on rather shakey ground anyway. A painting has an awful lot of commercial value, and the article is not about the painting itself or even the artist, but of the subject. A publicity photo, I would have written one, but a professional portrait by another artist? No, I don't think so. I nominate only when I feel that I wouldn't have uploaded the image myself if I was working on the article- otherwise, I fix. J Milburn (talk) 23:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I will mention the specific details of why I think the image should go if anyone contests the deletion- until then, I just use a generic tag- nobody contests the vast majority, so explaining the whole thing would just be a waste of time. J Milburn (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Academic Journals

Hi there. Things have gone a bit quiet over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals (I didn't check in for a long time myself). I've started up two new subpages at Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Images and Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Scope (please see the talk pages as well), in the hope that this might generate some comment or activity. I've notified three other active contributors, but what about the others on the members list? A newsletter seems overkill at the moment, but is there a way to keep things more active? The weekly collaborations seemed to work well for a while, but maybe a monthly one is better? Carcharoth (talk) 14:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

an, again

Surely replacing "a Sc D" by "an Sc D" as the bot did on George G. Hall is wrong. --Bduke (talk) 02:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Brian. "Sc. D" is pronounced "ess cee, dee" right? If that's the case then going by the "use 'an' before vowel sounds" rule on A, an is the correct thing to do. Unless, of course, I'm missing something, which is always a possibility. Cheers, CmdrObot (talk) 02:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe. I do not pronounce abbreviations when I read them, so "a" rather "an" seems natural to me. It would be "a" if the abbreviation was spelled out. --Bduke (talk) 03:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Boy Scout

Hi, I keep re-reading the article and the more I read it the more its presence here seems like a nonsense. Reading through the talk archives I think you have had misgivings too. I have thought about making changes but some editors regard it (and scouting in general) as proprietary. Albatross2147 (talk) 10:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I do have misgivings. The problem is that we do not have an international article for the Scout Section and this sort of replaces it, with a focus on the Boy, yet many countries also have girls. There are concerns about the equivalent Guide/Girl Scout article, which is about the girl, but some have boys. It is confusing. I'll try to look at it tomorrow. I'm rather exhausted now and would not be very clear. --Bduke (talk) 10:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
In actual fact the article is more or less redundant - a lot of what it says is covered in other articles and seems to be an attempt to claim scouting as a male only activity. (However the photos included do undermine this with girls and young women being clearly visible.) Even the attempt to explicate the article is incomprehensible. What on earth is meant by Some troops are co-educational, for those troops this article is about the girls too. For girl troops and boy scouts in co-educational troops see: Girl Guide and Girl Scout.'? Albatross2147 (talk) 22:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Pardon me if I butt in here. I just raised similar questions about a number of articles that really fail at being "universal." See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting#Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting article modifications. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 23:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Ed. Butt in all you like. That link was what I was going to point out to Albatross2147 last night, but I was close to asleep and the old brain cells were not working too good. I plan to look at it later today. --Bduke (talk) 23:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
You are quite welcome. I added a laundry list of articles that need to be evaluated. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 23:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
It's good(?) to know that there are others who have similar qualms. Albatross2147 (talk) 03:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

This issue has come up several times within the ScoutingProject and there are many views on it. The problem is that with the various Scout associations being structured so differently around the world, this issue will never go away until all of them are fully coed and hence that subset of articles will never be fully stable nor fully accurate for every Scouting association around the world. Just as one example, some are fully coed, some not at all and some are coed only for specialty programs. User:Kingbird has what I think is an excellent proposal for revamping the Girl Guide/Scout part of the articles. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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AJE stuff

Hi there. An IP left a note on my talk page pointing out User talk:DGG#American Journal Experts. Seems to have been a follow up to User talk:Bduke#Regarding deleting of American Jour...? As you know (you started the thread), there was also something very brief at ANI: see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive123#American Journal Experts. Possibly there wasn't anything on the talk page, and I'm sure DGG looked first, but just wanted to make sure things were OK here. I've left a note for DGG as well (see his talk page). I haven't notified Blue1 (see Special:Contributions/Blue1). Do you know what is going on here? Carcharoth (talk) 01:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Missed the following: [1] and [2]. Have left a note for JForget as well. Carcharoth (talk) 01:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Failing any other location, User talk:Carcharoth#American Journal Experts (started by Jforget) seems as good a place as any to centralise discussion. Carcharoth (talk) 02:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Universities Newsletter: Issue V (January 2008)

The January 2008 issue of the WikiProject Universities newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you for your continued support of WikiProject Universities! —Noetic Sage 22:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted page

Please don't threaten to block my account over the deleted page. And please don't send any messages if you are going to be rude, thanks. Ineversigninsodonotmessageme (talk) 01:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Ineversigninsodonotmessageme

I was not threatening and not rude. You had recreated a category that had been deleted after discussion at "User categories for discussion". If you do not do that again, there will be no problem. --Bduke (talk) 02:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Hong Kong

I think they probably are important, but I'm not sure how to best deal with them. Probably a separate article for their jurnal project is appropriate--it actually is a major initiative. In addition they've been spamming links fairly widely. I've left a note on the usertalk page & reverted most of the additions. DGG (talk) 07:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm happy to help by supporting HKUK and keeping a eye on things. --Bduke (talk) 08:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I've just realised--I know their university librarian rather well. We had a featured debate at a conference a while ago when he was still at columbia & it did wonders for my reputation :). DGG (talk) 08:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

John Albery disambiguation link

Hi,

Sorry about that, I'm going fellowship blind. It was an academic fellowship, so I've alter the link accordingly. Srpnor (talk) 11:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

No worries. That disambig page is a mess though. I was just about to start an IRC meeting about Wikimedia Australia and now i'm off to bed. I'll look tomorrow. --Bduke (talk) 12:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Meetup Connection

Hey Brian. We had a lovely meetup of only four of us, but in the meantime we couldn't get a wireless signal inside the Pancake Manor but otherwise we walked down to Gloria Jeans at 1pm AEST and got a signal; went on IRC but we finished at 1.40pm, 20 minutes before your meetup - I am at home now waiting in #wikimedia-au for you guys. I can also Skype with you guys - add e.wikimedia. Thanks :) — E talk 05:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Ab initio chemistry

I'm not sure, I don't know much about this topic so don't feel that competent to judge it. The section does however look a bit long to me. I'd also consider removing the phrase "shows clearly the power of ab initio computational chemistry" or tone that down unless we get a very good citation saying that it does that. JoshuaZ (talk) 02:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Good point. The deletion has been reverted, but not by me. --Bduke (talk) 02:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Roxon

Jeez, I don't know how you manage being an admin at times. What a complete and utter... *must not bite the newbies* Timeshift (talk) 11:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I "hammered on" because he kept coming up with crap about me that was completely untrue. Of course i'm not going to allow his untruths to propagate. Timeshift (talk) 22:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Top 1000 Scientists: From the Beginning of Time to 2000 AD (second nomination)

I've nominated this article for deletion. It still has no sources besides the book itself, and having got hold of a copy of the book, I find that it actually makes no claims to be derived from an authoritative survey, so I see no notability. Since you've edited the article or participated in the old AfD you might like to comment. As there has been confusion about the book's actual content, I'd be happy to back up all the assertions I've made by Emailing you scans of the relevant pages. Best, Iain99Balderdash and piffle 21:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The Scout Association naming

It has been a week since I made proposals to cleanup the section names of the Scout Association over at WP:SCOUT. If you don't have any issues, I will make this happen in the next day or so. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Nicola Roxon (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Why did you unprotect this page? It was only protected for five days, and it's constantly vandalised by an IP hopping vandal. Will (talk) 21:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The IP had become a registered user and he was working to a compromise on the talk page. He complained he could not edit. I thought it was fully protected so I removed the protect. He actually could have edited. The dispute raged after I went to sleep, but it was resolved by that user being blocked for 48 hours. The user had a point but was making it extremely badly and did not seem to know what references were. He had agreed to not add "Jewish" to the infobox and he had a reference that Roxon's grandfather was Jewish. He was not really a vandal. His edits were in good faith but very muddled. I hope it is resolved now. --Bduke (talk) 21:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
"He was not really a vandal"? Take a look at the page's history. Will (talk) 21:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I have. He really thought it was information that should be in the article, but he did not properly support it with references. If Roxon is a practicing Jew then it should be in the article, but we have no evidence that she is. At first, I thought he was adding it as a slur (as indeed someone did by adding "lesbian") but that turned out not to be the case. He really thought that she was and that it should be added. A nuisance, yes; a vandal, I do not think so. --Bduke (talk) 22:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
AGF isn't a suicide pact. The edit summaries in particular and 8RR in 1 hour are bad enough. Will (talk) 22:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for participating in my RfA! It was closed as successful with 58 supporting, 0 opposing, and 2 neutral. I hope to demonstrate that your trust in me is rightly placed and am always open to critiques and suggestions. Cheers. MBisanz talk 04:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Best pic I've seen
Best pic I've seen

Pairs of hydronium ions

Hi, I updated Portal:Chemistry/In_the_news and wrote a short Wikinews story on the pairing of hydronium ions found in modeling aq. HCl. I thought it was interesting enough for the general science reader to be interested in, but it's totally outside my field (organic synthesis). Can you check that I didn't make any gaffes, so I can "publish" the Wikinews piece. BTW, I've learnt the hard way, Wikinews stories have to be aimed at the lay reader. Thanks! Walkerma (talk) 07:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but it will be tomorrow. I've just got in after midnight here and have no energy. --Bduke (talk) 13:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, I downloaded the JACS paper and had a careful read of it. It is indeed most interesting and it does deserve a news item in my opinion. This sort of work is not what I do, but I have heard enough at various conferences over the years to have a pretty clear idea of what they have done. The work is indeed pretty sound. Of course it would not get into JACS if it was not. You have summarized the finding pretty well. In terms of the language I did wonder whether wikinews readers might be confused by molar concentrations and whether it would be better to say something like "highly acidic solution with a pH between 0 and 1". Of course pH is not a really useful measure at these concentrations but it might give the idea to readers better. I'm not sure. --Bduke (talk) 00:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I really appreciate it. I was never that good at P-Chem! I'll tweak it as you suggest, then I'll watch for feedback (there usually is a flurry of comments when it's posted). Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 00:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Please deal with GG

Sigh... he just doesn't get it. Timeshift (talk) 13:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Categories

I'll not argue whether that is correct or not, but must say that if it is it makes the idea of using the categories to find related entries a bit of a farce. I apologise that I misread your edit earlier! Personally I would argue that both associations, and the BBS, should be listed in the parent category for the benefit of users. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RedCoat (talk • contribs) 11:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I got this wrong myself earlier in my wiki life. It has been discussed many times and the consensus is as I say. If you use the youth organisation category you will see that Scouting in UK is part of it so you go and look there. --Bduke (talk) 21:36, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The Scout Association and Scouting Ireland names

I would like to finish up the renames for The Scout Association and Scouting Ireland when you get a chance. They are listed at WP:SCOUT and we have left off discussion at Talk:Sea Scout (UK). You were the only one with any comments about the SA names and I will go with your decision on this. YIS --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

WOSM

The thing is, it already has a disambig page, clearly marked thus, so the acronym should be the redirect, just as it says at the top of the article itself. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Well just take out that top comment. If the primacy of one disambiguation is challenged as it is here, I think we move back to a simple disambiguation page. That is what I reverted to. I know that when there is only two, a disambiguation at the top of the article on one of them is possible, but that has been challenged. We simplify it for all concerned. Anyway, mate, I may be wrong. I have just had a lovely family Sunday lunch with several bottles of good Australian Pinot Noir and was only here because the others were taking a break. --Bduke (talk) 04:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi again

I hope the incorporation is going well. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance. I believe we think alike on many issues, but not in relation to the debate on the Oldest person page. I wanted to add something here rather than on the actual page if that is OK. It is a little off point so I did not want to put it there, but I wanted to explain it. I am writing completely in the spirit of friendly communication - which has been our approach in the past. On an issue also on the oldest people site; I found the GRC to be wrong on some entries regarding age. This is because of leap years and the introduction of the Gregorian calendar (you can see the discussion in the archives). After some discussion I made corrections on the actual page. None one disputed the accuracy of my information and simple calculation (by using a calendar). But, I was in fact editing the source. It was reverted and the incorrect information continues to appear. It was explained to me that as an encyclopedia we use sources - we do not include Original Research, POV or censorship. Many of the points made on the discussion page are fine. But just as I can show that my edit were completely correct, I agree they cannot be included as we rely on the agreed source. This was somewhat frustrating for me at the time - which is partly correctly by footnotes. - I suppose my point is, even though my edits corrected errors and were entirely accurate - they cannot be included. The source is paramount, even if it is wrong.Alan Davidson (talk) 07:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Alan, I am more than happy to discuss sources etc here. I just thought I was swamping that discussion page and did not want to carry on doing that for another 3 weeks. I did suggest the consensus seeking !vote would be for a month. Anyway first, the incorporation. Only this morning our attention was drawn to this that shows our entry has been upgraded to "Pending WMF Approval". This means that the ChapCom has approved our rules and has recommended to the Foundation to approve the Australian Chapter. We should get final conformation soon. I suggest you subscribe to our mailing list. The traffic is not heavy. We are about (I think) to appoint an interim committee and will call a Special Meeting when the Foundation approves. Have you, by the way, had anything to do with the Brisbane bid for Wikimania 2009? I suspect they could do with your wise advice. Now to sources. I do not really disagree with what you say, but I do think it is not quite the mainstream WP view of sources. However this list is complex wrt sources. First, I do not think it matters what columns GRC has in its tables. We should only included a column, if, once it has been challenged, there are sources that says it is important to have it in the article. I do not see such sources. That is crucial. You have not addressed this, You are talking about sources for individual entries. I am talking here about independent sources that say knowing race is important and notable for a list of oldest people. Second, GRC uses a particular set of categories, "W", "B", "O" and "M". This is POV. British sources would split "O". We can not, as you say, pick and choose, but the list currently has. It has picked the GRC categories. Since we have to be NPOV, we either remove the column completely or we have several columns giving the race categories from several different POVs. If we just have one POV, we are giving it undue weight. Given the first point, I think we just delete it. Note I am not saying that there are other sources that say Mrs XX, from India, should be included. GRC is fine for that. To label her race as "O" is just one POV. The Brits would label it "I" for Indian. We can not chose any one so we should choose none of them. BTW, Neal twice removed your retention vote to below the next header because you had not bolded the word "retain" or something. He has not added his vote, but I am taking it that both you and him are voting to retain race. There are 4 editors who want it removing. It has another 25 days to run, but it is running in the direction of consensus to delete. Cheers, Brian. --Bduke (talk) 08:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Greetings. Not that, the GRG's usage of W B and O does not mean we need to use it literally. I would actually rather prefer we use White, Black, etc., then the letters. The GRG did not object to Wikipedia using the term Asian instead of oriental. Neal (talk) 20:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC).
Neal, Greetings. This does not make much sense, in that I do not know what "Not that" refers to. Whether we use "W" or "White" does not matter. It is still the GRC way of defining race categories and hence just one POV. Your last sentence however disturbs me. It really is none of GRC's business to object ot not object to what WP does, and this is just another example of a relationship between GRC and the editors of this list that may be too close for saying GRC is an independent source. The first example was you saying that you were going to ask them to change "H" to "M". We have to be "hands off" with our sources. If not we have a conflict of interest, and the source is not deemed to be independent. --Bduke (talk) 22:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Woops, sorry I meant "Note that." So I guess the real conflict is how we define the Japanese on Wikipedia? They are the only Asians listed. Neal (talk) 23:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC).

WMA

The Australian Barnstar of National Merit
For your work in establishing Wikimedia Australia. Long live the cabal! :) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 11:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
this WikiAward was given to Bduke by dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 11:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, mate. I saw Sarah dobbed me in!. I am particularly pleased that you gave one to User:Pfctdayelise. She has been driving the intellectual reasons why we need the chapter. --Bduke (talk) 23:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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Peers who were also baronets

Your views are sought at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baronetcies#Peers_who_were_Baronets - Kittybrewster ☎ 23:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Makeoutclub 2nd AfD

By George, you're right! You can tell I don't venture into DRV land very often — I have used it once in nearly three years at WP, and then only to a restore a long-ago deleted page. Thanks for the heads-up. I'll withdraw this AfD. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 09:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

A new Oxbridge user box

Bduke...I am currently in the process of writing a user box for all of the colleges that are part of Oxbridge. This template is meant to replace your current college template. Please take a look at the work in progress and comment on it. My main concerns are college abbreviations and color choice. I am using scarf colors for the colleges. Thank you. - LA @ 17:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Monash University

My apologies for deleting Profb21's comments. My own comments had been deleted by Profb21 prior to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickcoop (talk • contribs) 07:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Questions about ANI discussion about list of oldest people/race?

Hi Bduke - I see at Talk:List of the verified oldest people that you had some questions about some of the points made in the WP:ANI thread about the race issue. Can I be of assistance in answering these questions? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 23:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Riana's request for bureaucratship

Dear Brian, thank you for taking part in my RfB. As you may know, it was not passed by bureaucrats.
I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your support, despite concerns cited by the opposition. Although RfA/B isn't really about a person, but more about the community, I was deeply touched and honoured by the outpouring of support and interest in the discussion. I can only hope that you don't feel your opinion was not considered enough - bureaucrats have to give everyone's thoughts weight.
I also hope that the results of this RfB lead to some change in the way we approach RfBs, and some thought about whether long-entrenched standards are a good thing in our growing and increasingly heterogenous community.
I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. If at any point you see something problematic in my actions, please do not hesitate to call me out. ~ Riana ⁂ 12:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

NT Electorates

You don't own these pages, but you are free to change them yourself. They look like lists to me.--Grahame (talk) 00:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course I do not own them, but they are certainly not lists. They are articles about an electorate for the NT Legislative Assembly and because of that they contain a list of members. That does not make them a list. Lists almost always (if not always) have titles like "List of ...". These articles could develop to become featured articles and hence have to start as class=start. They would never become featured lists. --Bduke (talk) 00:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

badge

Thanks, Brian, I missed that, sometimes I tag more quickly than I should so the bots don't get them. Sorry and good catch. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Revision history of List of countries by formation dates

Would you consider locking an article due to constant edit-warring? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

You wrote that just after I took a break from WP. The edit war has calmed down as they are on 3RR and both know the rules. I'm inclined to leave it for a while. --Bduke (talk) 10:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Gang Show Scarf

>>Hi, why do you think an image of the scarf of one Gang Show should replace what I think is an image of a more general badge? Could not both be in the article?

I left the other image in the article I just moved it. The scarf is meant to illustrate the concept of a scarf generically not a specific production. I revised the caption a bit. Albatross2147 (talk) 03:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, I missed your last edit putting the badge back. I think a photo of the London scarf might be better though, but maybe can not be obtained. --Bduke (talk) 03:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree about the LGS scarf but I don't have access to one. In this case I got our grub to turn around as she was on her way to rehearsal and snapped a shot. Why did he do that I hear you say. Well since I started having anything to do with scouts I have realised that we know and understand something of cosa nostra but outsiders don't. At all. It seems to me that Wp is a good place to start to remedy that. A casual reader would wonder what this scarf thing is all about - the photo is intended to try to explicate that. Albatross2147 (talk) 23:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Nobility

Why don't you consider it a valid category?CharltonTillIDie (talk) 23:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Because there is already a tree of categories under Category:Peers of the United Kingdom. See the CfD discussion. I am still completing that. --Bduke (talk) 23:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

the sydney Journal

Hi there, Just thought I'd drop you, and others from the recent meetup, a line and mention that the first edition of the Dictionary of Sydney's online, peer-reviewed journal is now live.

The Sydney Journal is the first (and most academically rigorous) "product" of the Dictionary. It will be a quarterly publication with a variety of texts from upcoming Dictionary articles and is hosted by UTS E-press. This edition features 4 thematic articles, 6 ethnicities and 5 suburbs - all specifically related to Sydney.

I hope you find it useful and interesting - If nothing else it's essays are eminently referenceable for their corresponding articles here on WP.

Best, Witty Lama 12:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of monarchs in the British Isles revisited

Hello, since you commented in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of monarchs in the British Isles, I thought you might like to know that it is again up for discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of monarchs in the British Isles (2nd nomination). Regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

proposal to merge WP:PROF into WP:BIO

There is an ongoing discussion of a proposal to merge WP:PROF into WP:BIO at Wikipedia talk: Notability (academics). Since you have commented in AfD discussions for articles about academics, you may want to participate in the discussion of this merge proposal. Regards, Nsk92 (talk) 12:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I had a look yesterday and agreed almost entirely with your comments. I'll go there today sometime. --Bduke (talk) 22:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of Anglo-Catholic Churches

Hi, and thanks for closing the AfD as requrested. Regards, Springnuts (talk) 10:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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AfD for Oxbridge

Hi, I nominated the Oxbridge article for deletion since it reads entirely as WP:OR. The discussion is available here ColdmachineTalk 22:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

John Gilruth

Hi there, I am about to get on a plane for a 5 week OS holiday so I am unable to re-write at this late stage. You can place this article on AfD list. Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 03:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Lancaster University

Sorry, got confused, I thought I was reverting that sentence myself. Didn't mean to reinstate it. oops.Keymou (talk) 23:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Bduke on Chinese Wikipedia

That user has no contribution in record. However, the usurpation rule has not be finalized there, so you may not be able to get that account, if that's what you want. --Mongol (talk) 17:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. That is fine. I do not want an account there. --Bduke (talk) 22:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
L...O...L..! Neal (talk) 20:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC).

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Robert Young

I noticed some edits you made at the WOP WikiProject. I was wondering if you are fully aware of the history here. My post here might help. Carcharoth (talk) 01:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for drawing my attention to that talk page. I am aware of some of the history. --Bduke (talk) 02:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
OK. Just wanted to make sure of that. My view, as it has been from the beginning, is that the initial block was harsh, and that Young should, at some point, be allowed a second chance. It seems that any appeal will have to wait until the summer, as he is busy with other stuff. Until then, though, I don't want to see people turning him into a byword for original research. It is entirely possible that he has learnt a lesson from all this, and I've too often seen the pattern of a block followed by people feeling that the block means they can say what they like about the person who is blocked, safe in the knowledge that the person who has been blocked cannot defend themselves. My ultimate aim is to see the people knowledgeable about old people and longevity research and tracking, to be able to edit Wikipedia productively. I know some people think Young can't edit Wikipedia productively, but I disagree that this conclusion can be reached until he is given another chance. And there we are. Impasse. I'd be interested to hear what you think. Carcharoth (talk) 08:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

IP 200.222.237.108 pushing fringe quantum topics, geolocates to Brazil. All four edits today have been junk, and been caught and reverted by various people.

Worth keeping an eye on this IP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/200.222.237.108 SBHarris 03:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Maybe you can help me. Long story really, basically I made a few test edits and User:Barneca deemed them vandalism and gave me warnings. I then went to ask him/her directly why exactly I had been given warnings. I said nothing offensive, though I did question his heavy handedness with the warning botton and suggested that a more reasonable admin might have greated a newbie in a somewhat nicer way. I was stunned when my comments resulted in a 24hr block. Now the block is over I have been trying to talk to User:Barneca about the way he deals with people in general on here, and more specificly his ostensible heavy handedness with new editors when he adjudges them to have commited a minor act of vandalism. Unforunately User:Barneca refuses to talk about this with me. I get the impression that he is an admin whose power has gone slightly to his head and it makes me concerned that he/she may scare away new editors, albeit perhaps unitentionally. As such I was wondering what you might suggest I do about this. I just wish User:Barneca would give people the benefit of the doubt more often and be a bit more pleasant in his dealings with non-admins. 79.69.199.112 (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I changed my mind on a deletion request

Deletion review for Category:User Follyglot

Hi, Bduke, I have asked for a deletion review of Category:User Follyglot. You participated in the original discussion here. So, here's your courtesy pointer.

Thanks!

Winter (User:Snakesteuben) (talk) 18:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD

Could you please take a look at this Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ultrafast_shape_recognition Shyamal (talk) 05:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you have something against British English?

Please don't revert such edits. You will be blocked. Wwwwwwhatsup (talk) 08:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Duke Brian Salters III

It was vandalism and you know it. I note also that you are claiming to be an administrator. That is taken very seriously on wikipedia. I suggest you remove that claim from both you user page and your talk page immediately. --Bduke (talk) 08:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Castle Doctrine. Wwwwwwhatsup (talk) 08:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Franklin Duke SaltBrians

Wwwwwwhatsup

I know you probably would rather another admin handle it since you made the last block, but I'd like to put in a personal request for a block of User:Wwwwwwhatsup for disruption. He's been copying Jayron32's page as his own and marking himself as an admin, when I tried to get him to stop doing so he copied my talk page. No constructive edits since he was unblocked. Thanks! Redrocket (talk) 08:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, already done after this personal attack [3]. Thanks anyway! Redrocket (talk) 08:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Blocked for being an account used solely for vandalism. -- Longhair\talk 09:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I was about to block him myslef and saw you had done so. --Bduke (talk) 09:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for letting me know. That'll teach me to try & get some sleep- I missed all the excitement! --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 12:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Fellows of the Royal Society

Hi, I see you removed "Judith Ann Katherine Howard, crystallographer 2002" that someone added recently, with the edit summary "evidence". I'm not sure where you expected the hapless IP to put this evidence as the article has no visible reference section, and no evidence is provided for any other entry, but here are a couple of refs which took me a couple of milliseconds to find:

Aren't we supposed to have a "don't bite the newbies" policy or something? Pterre (talk) 19:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

In almost every case, the entry is a link to an article on the Fellow. Redlinks by IPs on this kind of article are more likely to be vandalism than genuine. I was wrong in this case. It was late and I was tired. I should not have bitten the newbie. Individual items on lists of this kind should be referenced if there is no link to an article that references the Fellowship. --Bduke (talk) 22:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, cheers - it's clearer now there is a visible list of references. Pterre (talk) 23:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Darwin Rebellion

Hi Brian, I have started a new article called the Darwin Rebellion. Thought you may be interested, given your Territory background and I would appreciate a second set of eyes to proof read. Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 07:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Great start. I have just done a little copy editing, mainly spelling. It draw my attention to the fact that we need articles on Darwin High School and Jack Nelson (who has different redlink titles in different places. --Bduke (talk) 09:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Brian, I would really like to get this article to GA status, so any future help would be appreciated. Having worked on this article for 5 days straight, I'm going to have a break for a few days, but will start an article on 'Darwin High School shortly'. Thanks again and regards, Spy007au (talk) 01:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)