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[edit] Removal of fair use images from List of characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

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I feel the task force should be aware of the current debate on this article. Please see the discussion here. .:Alex:. 17:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] San Andreas

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I'd like to petition opinions from GTA taskforce members on the recent merge of separate articles on Los Santos, San Fierro, and Las Venturas into the San Andreas article. I was thinking it would be a good idea to incorporate some of the things that were originally on the separate "city" pages into the "state" page, e.g. emulated neighborhoods and other real-life influences. I think this would help to soften the in-universe perspective, and would make the article more relevant. Thoughts? EganioTalk 22:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree with that on the condition that every inspiration is sourced and that it doesn't become just a description of the location. With the amount of reviews online it shouldn't be too difficult to find interviews and commentary on how in-game locations are inspired by and resemble real life locations. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 22:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. EganioTalk 23:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Go ahead. I don't see anything wrong with it. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 23:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright, added the stuff for San Fierro. Still a work in progress...trying to get some nice references to back things up. Any help would be sincerely appreciated! EganioTalk 02:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Theft Auto (video game series) discussion from Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals

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Description 

The porpuse for this project is for people who like GTA and like editing its pages. We will add new pages and make GTA pages alot nicer then they are now.

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I see very few articles that would make sense under this project. A task force would be more appropriate. Phil Sandifer 23:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

A Grand Theft Auto task force of the WikiProject Video games already exists. Furthermore, a discussion to create a separate WikiProject has already taken place, with clear consensus against. JACOPLANE • 2007-11-30 23:52

[edit] Merge/Deletion

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I would like to ask others' opinions on this: I came across this page when perusing the links on the taskforce. I think it should be merged with the List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series article or deleted altogether. I think its existence is redundant, and it doesn't meet notability guidelines. Thoughts? EganioTalk 23:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

That should be deleted/redirected. Nothing links to it and I expect most of the important information is already mentioned on the gangs page. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 00:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm doing it as we speak. I hate when people do stuff like that. It's getting redirected. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 00:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Theft Auto IV Characters

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Hi, I've noticed that most (not all) of the text on this page List of characters in Grand Theft Auto IV is copied word for word from the following website: [1]. I'm pretty sure that this violates some policies of wikipedia UNLESS somebody has a GFDL-compatible license. What do you guys think? Please share your thoughts. Thanks. JayJ47 (talk) 22:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. No GFDL, no dice. EganioTalk 22:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
On closer inspection, it looks like all this information was added by User:74.64.14.18 on 2008-01-01 diff. They were reverted but then made again in multiple edits by User:Wikiedwin diff. It's my opinion that this information is definitely copied from the GTA4.net page instead of the other way around because of the way the information was added in chunks, rather than built up gradually like most things on Wikipedia. I think the best course of action is to revert to the last version that isn't blatant plagiarism or manually remove all the copied parts, and then reconstruct the information legally. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 22:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Do it if it hasn't been done. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 23:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Done. I've also left a message on the talk pages of the users to inform them that they added copyrighted material. The bottom of the webpage indicates the content is copyrighted so there's no reason to believe that the text was available for use on the encyclopedia. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 23:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GTA IV Soundtrack

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Hi. I believe that all members of the task force should take a look at the Grand Theft Auto IV soundtrack page. I need some help improving it. Its tagged as requiring clean up but I think that the page doesnt look too bad. If you guys can improve it in anyway then please do so, because right now i'm unsure as what to do! Thanks. JayJ47 (talk) 22:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I hate to play devil's advocate, but I took a look at the page, and it seems to contain a good deal of conjecture and premature fact-building. Besides, starting off with two disclaimers stating how ambiguous the information is does not bode well for the article itself. This may be something better left for after the information is released, or upon discovery of a reliable source. EganioTalk 01:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Same here. It's crystal balling a bit. ♣ Bishop Tutu Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 05:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GTA Series page revamping

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I feel like an idiot for not posting this up on the GTA Task Force talk page: I'm trying to get editors to help fix up the GTA series page to its former glory. So far I've fixed the proseline-filled History section, done some edits to the Overview section, started back up the important Controversy section, and I've done some overall cleaning. Of course, it needs sources for most of the article, especially the Controversy section. Editing to this article has been pretty stable for a while, so if we can get this done fast enough, we can make this a Featured Article, if not a Candidate, at least. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 19:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

You can count on my assistance. EganioTalk 18:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I will offer my services to fix this page also. JayJ47 (talk) 22:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GTA IV Commercials

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I think i've found a way to clean up this page. How about we make a list of the commercials, and instead give a brief description for each one, instead of including the lengthy dialogue which is present in the article now? Please share your thoughts, any answers and other ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks JayJ47 (talk) 22:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that because the Grand Theft Auto IV soundtrack article is really nothing more than a list of sorts, the information should be as is, i.e. the specific dialogue used. Because the commercials themselves are short enough, I think it's fine to leave it like this. Besides, summarizing the commercials would require some sort of synopsis of their meaning to the game and character, to the player, and to the real world. IMO, this would constitute original research. EganioTalk 09:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liberty City

Now that floods of new information about the new Liberty City in GTA IV are coming in, the entire article will need to be rewritten to make the sections covering the GTA III canon version of the city much smaller so we include more information on the new rendition. .:Alex:. 17:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Why? What purpose does it serve to detract from one description in favor of expanding another? They are both representing the same city...one just happens to be more detailed. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your intent. EganioTalk 18:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me, I don't think I explained it very well. I meant, the GTA III rendition of Liberty City has a lot of information, a lot of which could be shrunk as it is irrelevant. For example the "gangs" section, most of which contains a lot of unnecessary storyline information which is covered by other articles and is not really needed there. GTA IV's rendition will bring in a lot of information, not necessarily just yet, but it will cause the article to expand to a very large size. I meant that we should reduce irrelevant and unnecessary sections in the article so we can accomodate additional - necessary - information in other parts of the article. I hope that makes sense. .:Alex:. 09:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Sounds about right. John Hayestalk 11:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, in that case, go for it. However, I feel I must admonish against the unintentional loss of aspects applying only to the GTA III rendition that may result from using GTA IV data to fill in the informational "gaps". We must be vigilant in maintaining the distinction between the two games and ensuring that people understand that although the same city, each is a distinct version of that city, and should therefore be considered as an entirely separate entity. EganioTalk 21:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] new tf icon

it's sweet ! xenocidic (talk) 06:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Button

Hi, instead of the text for the GTA TF userbox, I made an image that says GTA in the pricedown (actual GTA) font, and Task Force under it. Does it look nicer than just the previous one that just said

GTA?

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EDIT: Xenocidic, i just read your comment. Thanks!

GTA GANXTAIZE · 18 February 2008

Makes no difference to me. Be bold. EganioTalk 06:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks good, but could you perhaps move the "GTA" bit slightly higher up from "Task"? .:Alex:. 14:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of fair use images from List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series

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OK, it's happened to the List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series page as well. Images have been wiped clean from the article without peremptory discussion. Let's get a consensus going on this page as we did for the List of characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas page, shall we? I will write the non-free use rationales for whichever images we deem worthy of inclusion. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please visit and help us repair the article. EganioTalk 21:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I was actually considering contacting Rockstar Games about perhaps obtaining permission to publish images of their games under a free license like Ubisoft have with images of their games (obviously there would be exceptions and other specific requirements that would need to be met). Seeing as GTA images always seem to be victim of a mass exodus every few months, it's worth looking into it. .:Alex:. 09:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Definitely agreed. Go for it. EganioTalk 11:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we should plan how we are going to put foward this request to them first? .:Alex:. 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Capital suggestion. Let's make sure we preface the request with a clear, concise intent that includes the notion of making Rockstar and its products more visible to the general public via Wikipedia. I think they'll respond to us better if we couch it that way. Furthermore, we should play up Wikipedia's non-profit and strictly informational status, and use this to lead into the problems with non-free image use. Of course, we would have to make assurances that any copyrighted material they might supply will only be used on Wikipedia and only for the purposes outlined in our proposal. Thoughts? EganioTalk 18:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Pretty much what I was thinking. Although they will no doubt probably have some specific questions and requests of their own, such as the images cannot portray their products in a negative way for example and so on and so forth. .:Alex:. 20:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I'm sure their lawyers will have plenty of caveats and questions. Are you comfortable drafting the request? As the leader of the GTA taskforce, would you like to be our representative? I can help out if you'd like, but otherwise I'll leave it in your capable hands. EganioTalk 20:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with most of what you say there Eganio, but i'm not sure it would be necessary to put forward anything along the lines of "making Rockstar and its products more visible to the general public via Wikipedia". If the request is presented in an honest and concise fashion, then i'm sure Rockstar are capable of making up their own minds on any benefits to them. Dbam Talk/Contributions 21:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, but in the "free marketplace", I don't think it'll hurt. I wasn't thinking of making a huge point of it, rather as a "by the way" to pique their interest further...I dunno. Actually, you're right. Totally unnecessary, I agree. OK, forget I said it. EganioTalk 03:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, not totally unnecessary, it's just the way you led with it in your third post I thought you did mean to make a big deal of it, which was more my concern. We need to grab their attention, so it probably wouldn't hurt to subtly include something like that. Dbam Talk/Contributions 15:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Let's leave it up to .:Alex:., since I think he's the one drafting the request anyway. I trust his judgment. EganioTalk 01:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sub-article Marketing for Grand Theft Auto IV

I broke off the "Promotion" section of Grand Theft Auto IV into it's own article , Marketing for Grand Theft Auto IV , per a discussion on the talk page. your assistance in fleshing out the new article would be appreciated! xenocidic (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sub-article for New Features in Grand Theft Auto IV

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I am asking members of the task force to consider whether or not it would be appropiate to create a sub article (similar to this) for the "New Features" section in the Grand Theft Auto IV page. JayJ47 (talk) 05:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Probably not. In it's current state I would say no, firstly it needs rewriting and sourcing, and secondly I wouldn't say the subject would be notable. A article comparing all the games might be an idea, but again would it be notable? John Hayestalk 07:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
We did this because we were having notability issues in the main article. There was dispute whether the new official website section should be included or not. I suggested the new article because Halo 3 has a similar article and we had all the refs to cite there. However we don't have enough refs to sustain the notability guidelines here. A comparison of all the games in the series as John Hayes suggested is a good idea and would be notable. But again we would have to wait until the game comes out so we would have some reliable refs and would be able to site features from the final code, when they are finalized.  UzEE  09:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I too oppose this on the grounds that the features sections simply needs to be rewritten (it's currently a list, which is not really acceptable) and that it would soon get deleted anyway. The marketing article covers the extensive marketing campaign for GTA IV with plenty of refs and because there were disputes of what belonging in the main article (some things are better suited to a marketing article but not really suited to the GTA IV article). .:Alex:. 16:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. EganioTalk 19:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - GA Sweeps on hold

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Hi, just in case anyone is unaware of this, GTA: San Andreas has had it's GA status reviewed and has been found to be not up to scratch. A few problems have been identified and need to be fixed by March 21 or the article will lose its GA status. It appears to be the only listed article we have at the moment, so I think it's important we try and get this sorted. Dbam Talk/Contributions 21:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

When I get enough free time from studies, I'll try to help. I was attempting to fix up the series page but I've been distracted. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 04:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Dealt with two images, and am working on more. At least the fair-use images should be reduced to 5 or less.  UzEE  11:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll help as much as I can. EganioTalk 21:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The article has been delisted and i've removed it from the project page. I'll continue to try and get citations for the remaining unreferenced sections and hopefully we can get it back on the list. Dbam Talk/Contributions 18:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Non-free image use debate

For anyone interested, a rather long and laborious debate has been ongoing since Black Kite came in and decimated our image usage on the List of gangs in the Grand Theft Auto series page. Please go here and here to see the discussions. So far, it seems that there exists a cadre of administrators passing judgment on our use of non-free material, and imposing their interpretations of NFCC policy on the rest of us. I, for one, am getting really tired of these folks dancing around the issue of the lack of specific wording in the policy precipitating debates such as this one. Please join in and add you two cents', as I am beginning to feel a little ganged up on here. EganioTalk 18:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've had enough of trying to get a straight answer from admin on this, and am quite tired of being dealt with as if some petulant, incorrigible child. Suffice to say they themselves don't really agree on how to interpret NFCC policy, yet feel as though they possess a deeper understanding of its wording, meaning, and significance than I or the rest of us do. So I'm giving up on this topic officially, and will likely remove myself from Wikipedia altogether due to the defensive nature with which Wikipedia admin deals with the inevitable issues that arise due to their own inability to provide clear wording in policies. Good luck to the rest of you! EganioTalk 20:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Your completely right, I for one have a few small things to do right now for wiki and might leave after that. I'd much rather edit to a GTA wiki and one of them have I already joined. --Flesh-n-Bone 15:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Theft Auto: The Classics Collection

I think Grand Theft Auto: The Classics Collection should be merged into both GTA 1 and 2 as release notes, and then redirected to the GTA Series page. I don't think this re-release deserves its own article, mainly because I can't see it expanding more than a couple of paragraphs. Bill (talk|contribs) 15:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Agree. - X201 (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree also—if there were significant differences between this release and the originals, then fair enough; but as it is, the article is pretty much pointless. Dbam Talk/Contributions 19:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Rockstar Games Social Club to TF?

Should Rockstar Games Social Club be added to the GTA task force? It's a service by Rockstar that will be included in GTAIV but will be included in future Rockstar games.

I would, they are probably the people who will have the greatest interest in keeping on top of it and by the sound of things The Social Club and GTA IV are going to be fairly tightly linked any way. - X201 (talk) 20:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I concur. It's basically going to be driven by GTA IV. (no pun intended ;>) xenocidic (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
("no pun") I'm not convinced ;-) - X201 (talk) 20:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I absolutely agree. GTA IV has a major role with the RGSC, and because they are actually linked I guess we could increase our scope to include that as well. To be honest, anything that has any relevance to GTA can be covered by this Task Force. .:Alex:. 15:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article nomination: Grand Theft Auto (series)

Well, a few minutes ago, I nominated the GTA series page for a GA. It actually looks pretty decent; I cleared up the last few little "fact" tags, no other tags are on the article, doesn't really have major grammar errors, has a healthy amount of sources, and it seems pretty clean overall. Lets cross our fingers. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 05:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

As I am both a member of this task force, and a GA Article Reviewer I will be re-viewing this article to see if it meets the Good Article Criteria. I hope I can pass this article! JayJ47 (talk) 06:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I am proud to report that this article, Grand Theft Auto (series) has been listed as a Good Article! Well done to all the editors who have contributed to the article, especially to Klptyzm who has put a lot of effort and time into making the article what it is today. Again, congratulations to all! JayJ47 (talk) 09:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I really do appreciate that. And thanks to all of you who contributed to the article as well. We all did a good job on it. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 15:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning character pages

Is there a reasoning behind listing what mission/cut-scene a character appears in and which mission they die in? Neither seem relevant or important and are generally just blatant, massive spoilers to anyone who wants information on any single character and thus scrolls past other characters. When and where a character appears/dies can eb discussed in their bio part but I don't see the need to distinctly label it under their name. Is there a reason for this?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 02:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Successful Good Article Nomination: Grand Theft Auto IV

I am proud to report that Grand Theft Auto IV has met the Good Article Criteria, and is now listed as a Good Article. Well done to everyone who have contributed to this article. JayJ47 (talk) 10:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Niko Bellic

I have noticed that most of the text about this character is copied exactly from the following site: [2]. This violates copyright, and the text doesn't seem to be released under a free license. JayJ47 (talk) 09:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Remove it then. John Hayestalk 10:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it is copied from the website. I think the website copied it from Wikipedia. The publish date on the website is the 9th of May, 2008. Looking at the history of the article it seems that much of the content in the section was in the article before the 9th. version from the 7th of May. Much of it was added by Oodus on the 7th, 8th and 9th of May. The dates and the way it grew suggests that Oodus didn't copy it from the site. Bill (talk|contribs) 14:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I notified the site owner. User:Krator (t c) 07:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality

I should probably point out that I brought the edit conflicts about his nationality to the WPVG talk page WT:WikiProject Video games#Niko.27s_nationality. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 13:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Niko Bellic Article

I have been working on what to include in the article. This is what I have so far. Please tell me what you guys think of it. Any advice or help would be much appreciated! JayJ47 (talk) 03:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks good so far. Do you have any non-plot information to add? Perhaps details on the development of Niko or an interview with the voice actor on the topic. Things like that. Bill (talk|contribs) 09:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need an article on him. I'd argue that he isn't notable outside the context of the game, so all the details can be included in the characters article, and his name redirected to his section. John Hayestalk 13:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Every other protagonist in the series has their own article. The article should be created when more reliable sources are available and more information becomes available. Eventually there will be enough info on the character to create an article. JayJ47 (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes good idea Bill. I'll try and find some sources about the development of the character. JayJ47 (talk) 22:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Here's an excellent source for that, gents. (Interview with Hollick, the voice of Niko). Thanks to guyzero for pointing that out at the GTA IV nationality debate. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 22:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Just because something is done one way doesn't mean it is right. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. John Hayestalk 00:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
We are trying to make this article work. It has been re-directed numerous times and I am working on finding sources to include some more information. Our goal as members of this task force is to improve the quality of GTA related articles, thats what I'm trying to do. JayJ47 (talk) 10:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh by the way, thank you for the source. JayJ47 (talk) 10:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Controversies articles

I've noticed a couple of new articles pop up recently: Grand Theft Auto III controversies and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City controversies. I suspect a Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas controversies article will be along shortly. What i'm wondering is that since these games have much of their controversy in common, whether it would be better to merge them (and the GTA IV contoversies article) into a single Grand Theft Auto controversies article, covering the whole series. Thoughts? Dbam Talk/Contributions 19:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I remember suggesting this somewhere before, and I think it's the best way foward as it would create a much stronger article than if they were all seperate. There really isn't a lot of controversy per game as it all kinda intertwines with each other a little bit. I say go for it. --.:Alex:. 19:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually, having looked at those new articles properly, I've decided to just redirect them back to the relevant sections at the main game articles. They were basically nothing more than rehashes of what was already at the main articles, and there was no point in using that material in one big article when it's already summerised at the GTA series article. It might be worth creating such an article one day, but at the moment it's not really worth it. Dbam Talk/Contributions 18:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. I'll remove the article links from the template. --.:Alex:. 18:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article list

I've created a new list covering all the articles falling into the scope of this task force along with their current ratings on the VG assessment scale. You can see it on the main TF page. Just make sure to update it if the rating changes! --.:Alex:. 09:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks great; it gives a much clearer picture of what's what. It'll look even better if we can get a few more green crosses on there, maybe some bronze stars too! :) Dbam Talk/Contributions 18:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I was thinking that too though! It's easy to keep track of everything, and is motivational too. I also want to change those red and yellow circles into green crosses and bronze stars! --.:Alex:. 18:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
You missed the Niko Bellic character article. JayJ47 (talk) 09:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Aha, that one sprang up after I did it. Thanks for pointing that out. --.:Alex:. 09:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)