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[edit] Alfred Pennyworth, also known as "Two-Face"?

Can someone verify Brian Boru's edit? It doesn't make sense that Alfred uses an alias named after the same name villain. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

From Fleisher's Encyclopedia of Comic Book Heroes: Batman (which goes up to 1965, I think) I can find no mention of Alfred being known as Two-Face. I find the following:
Alfred's aliases: - Alfred Beagle (Feb '45), The Eagle (Bat 127), the Outsider (Det Com 334 - Det Com 356)
(Plus the Wayne Foundation was initially the Alfred Foundation when Alfred was thought dead (Det Com 328). He wasn't, and wound up being twisted into the Outsider. He was restored to his original role, and the Foundation was renamed Wayne Foundation in Det Com 356.) ntnon (talk) 22:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll surely keep this in mind. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I read the graphic novel Nightwing: Year One and that's where he became Two-Face. Brian Boru is awesome (talk) 22:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
He just pretended to be Two-Face for some training in one issue. It's not like that's an alias he uses. --DrBat (talk) 03:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Batman impersonated a mob person named Mataches Malone. Should we get rid of that? Brian Boru is awesome (talk) 20:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Regularly impersonates Matches Malone, and assumed the identity after Matches's death, IIRC. That isn't the same as briefly disguising yourself as someone, once. If someone had Matches's and Two-Face's number in their phone, they'd be able to contact Bruce and Harvey, not Bruce and Alfred. Duggy 1138 (talk) 20:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image links in infoboxes

One thing that has been niggling me for a bit is that the different comic infoboxes have different ways to link in images. I have seen plenty of people use the method that worked in a comic title box in a comic creator and it all goes wrong. I know I usually have a couple of stabs at fixing them before hitting on the right combination.

It seems to me the simplest formulation is simply the image name with the size and caption in other fields.

Addressing this would involve a lot of grunt work but if the changes were made would it be possible to task a bot to updating the infoboxes that would break?

Obviously if this is all in hand and part of a big plan then all well and good, but just in case I thought I'd raise the issue. (Emperor (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC))

Actually, the only two 'boxes left for that are characters and series. All the rest either started with
|image= <!-- filename format only -->
|imagesize= <!-- numeric only, width defaults to 250 -->
|caption=
Or have been migrated there. And for those that are there, the images are capped, both in width and height.
The team box, prior to being folded into the organization one, was the first of the "big three" to be converted, and it to a heck of a time to hit all 450 article.
Series has 974 (13 of those under a redirect)
Characters has 4408 (all over the 6 redirects)
I had intended to hit the series and then the characters, but, to be frank, there will be a boat load of articles with funky images that will need a "Bear with us, or help us" note.
I can make the change, real easily, and I've got the notice I used with the teams — here. I just need to know, are we ready to do this?
And as a side note, do we want to change the template names at the same time? - J Greb (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the update - would it be possible to task a robot to make the changes? Once we start getting to the 1,000 mark that is an awful lot of articles to change even with a few of us beavering away. (Emperor (talk) 01:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC))
I think (not 100% sure how to set up a 'bot...) that a cat can be set up, so there will be something for a bot to run through, but...
We'd be taking something like:
image=[[images:Comiccover.jpg|245px]]
to:
image=Comiccover.jpg
imagesize=245
I think we'd still wind up having to do the changes by hand. - J Greb (talk) 02:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Best bet is to ask Hiding as he has the best grasp on this, but as they work on regular expressions it should be easy enough to get something that extracts the information and replaces things as it will be fairly standard. We will have to doublecheck everything that pops up on our watchlists but it should take the "sting" out of it. If you are going to rename the template perhaps it might be wise to do it at the same time - set up the new template and then as the bot goes through nothing is broken as they'd still be running off the old template. We could then spot where things hadn't worked and fix them by hand (I assume someone somewhere will have done it in a non-standard way somehow). (Emperor (talk) 03:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC))
As a precurser I've gotten all of the core 'boxes to "Infobox ..." format. - J Greb (talk) 01:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hyperbole

I've noticed that some of the articles, particularly in the powers and abilities section, contain statements that are hyperbole. For instance, the Sentry's article contains a statement of him being more powerful than a million exploding suns. What exactly does that mean anyway? I would imagine that anything of that magnitude would be powerful enough to blow out the Sun as if it were a candle. And he hasn't demonstrated anywhere near that kind of force. There's also been the addition of a wisecrack made by Spider-Man recently, I believe in World War Hulk #1, that the Sentry could stalemate Galactus. To my knowledge, the two characters have never fought one another, which qualifies as hyperbole as well. Personally, I think such statements should be removed from the articles whenever possible. It makes them sound too fan-ish.Odin's Beard (talk) 13:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, 100%. 67.162.108.96 (talk) 04:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I've left my thoughts over there but there is a world of difference between Spider-Man saying he could and that he did. As these are fictional characters then powers can change to suit the story (from bench pressing a train to bench pressing small planets) so all we can really say in the powers section is that "X was seen doing Y (ref)" as this shows they can perform that certain feat at that time just not that they can currently do this. (Emperor (talk) 15:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC))

[edit] WP:Fictional Characters Guidelines

Figured I'd bring this to your attention, since I think it's something that affects everyone here: Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction)#RfC: Proposing WP:FICT for global acceptance. Ford MF (talk) 13:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A question (SPOILERS FOR SECRET INVASION #3)

Ok, when Mar-Vell was revealed to be a Skrull, all of his character history was moved to a separate article.

Now, it's recently been revealed that (highlight for spoilers) the Jessica Drew from New Avengers and Mighty Avengers is really Skrull Empress Veranke. Should "New Avengers and the Civil War" and all the sections that followed be moved to Veranke's article? --DrBat (talk) 03:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok... this is giving me a headache.
  1. How much of any/all of the Skrull moles have Marvel editorial hinted/revealed were long term ideas?
  2. Do we have anything concrete that all the writers at Marvel were on board with the "'X' is a Skrull" from day one?
  3. Do we have anything solid as to what stories do and don't feature the moles? Or are we just guessing?
- J Greb (talk) 03:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
According to Bendis, he had planned on Jessica being a Skrull since New Avengers #1. So I'd assume any appearances she made after she joined the Avengers were a Skrull.
"There are quite a few people on my message boards and the CBR ones who are gigantic Spider-Woman fans and they’ve loved me for bringing her back. With her being in a number one book, she’s had a wave of good fortune that she hasn’t seen since her heyday. And the whole time I was writing her I’d think those fans are going to fucking lose their shit because we’ve had this planned since New Avengers #1. You can go back to issue #1 and see hints. There’s not a segment of the readership that I haven’t felt worse about doing this to than the Spider-Woman fans. I want to express publicly that your love of the character will not be lost.
Now you know why the Spider-Woman series didn’t happen. We thought about doing it and having her revealed as a Skrull in the first issue of her series. Last year, we we’re going to do the series and at the end of the issue she’d do something wrong, go off somewhere private and revert to Skrull form. It would be like, 'Woah! The lead character of the book isn’t who she thought she was!' I wrote it, but in the end I just thought it wasn’t selling somebody what they thought you were selling them. But if you did it as part of a team book it’s much less bullshitty. You expect things to happen in a team book but if you’re buying Spider-Woman, you want Spider-Woman." --DrBat (talk) 12:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Then:
  1. Move only the material that is based on stories from New Avengers #1 forward.
  2. Add that quote prominantly as part of the publication history and watch it so it sticks.
  3. Fix any and all links to the original characters article that are the as part stories from #1 above.
If there is a similar quote for the Mar-Vel flop, Pym, or any of the others, add it to the appropriate "Skrull mole" articles.
My biggest concern is with editors guessing when moles were put in place, and then moving material based on interpreting particular issues or, worse, panels.
(I don't even want to think about "bad faith wrtiing" where Marvel editorial or a particular writer is using a Skrull as a way to wipe out stories written years, or decades ago...) - J Greb (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it just a little too early to be doing anything major. Things like "So I'd assume any appearances she made after she joined the Avengers were a Skrull" are big red flags for me. This is Secret Invasion #3 and I'd assume there are twists and turns further down the road before we reach the end of the story.
Why did Khn'nr get moved? He is still Khn'nr after all.
As Spider-Woman does appear to be the Skrull Empress perhaps a note or two is required in the relevant articles but what if it turns out Spider-Woman actually defeated the Empress and has been using holographic technology to fool the Skrulls all along?
So it is early days - leave any major moves and rewriting until the series is finished and we get an idea of how things really stand as things may not be what they seem and any major changes are crystal balling verging on speculation. (Emperor (talk) 13:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC))
Here's the thing — DrBat is pointing to a reliable source, a quote from the story writer/architect, that the character from issue #1 of NA on isn't Drew. That's worlds away from "As a reader, I'm making the assumption based on Secret Invasion #3." I can see a point, however, for being conservative and setting up for the split now and holding off until we see #8, Bendis may be feeding fandom a line or Marvel may tinker with the event, but the quote is still an important piece.
As for Khn'nr/Mar-Vel... Right now we've got zero idea if that plot element was intended from square one in Civil War, or if it was a decision made later based on fan reaction. The Khn'nr article is written assuming the former.

We should not be splitting these up at all. Remember that are articles are about comics franchises, not biographies of fictional people. Spider Woman's appearances since NA #1 were designed and marketed as Spider Woman, were sold as Spider Woman, and have a tremendous amount to do with Spider Woman. At present the Skrull Empress is a minor and relatively undeveloped character. It would be preferable to have a section about the Skrull feint in the Spider Woman article that talks about how the character was presented and what revelations were then made than to add an article on a character of questionable notability apart from her role in a particular plot development dealing with an already notable concept, namely Spider Woman. Similarly, to suggest that the Skrull Captain Marvel retains notability apart from being a publication feint regarding the return of Mar-Vell. Phil Sandifer (talk) 16:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trinity #1

I've just cut down a summary of issue 1 on Trinity (comic book), as I'm not reading it myself, I'd like someone to make sure I didn't mis-summaries anything that was there. Of course, the real issue is the original summary. Looks like someone wants to summarise this issue by issue as it comes out, and I think that's a bad idea. I reduced the issue 1 summary because I felt there was too much retelling going on (feel free to revert if I did wrong), but could someone who is reading it (and thus not worried about spoilers (I may get the TPB)) keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't get out of control... if you feel it's appropiate. If what the other person was doing is OK, forgive me for over-editting. Duggy 1138 (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Issue by issue break downs are never a good idea (it happens so often, with separate sections too, that I wonder if some kind of banner is needed) so it is best to keep things stripped down. I know some people aim to trim things down later but it leads to a lot of bloat and it'd be better to expand the important bits later when a better picture of the plot is avaialable rather than throwing everything in first and seeing what matters later. (Emperor (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Question about renaming an article

I posted this at the talk page for Battalion (WildStorm), but I guess posting it here would get a little more attention. Basically "Battalion" has really been known only as Jackson King for most of a decade, so I was wondering how I would go about requesting a rename and if anyone thinks it has any merit.

It is a tricky one as the general guidelines are to aim for the superhero name but there is only one Battalion in Wildstorm and the name does seem to have been dropped (the sneak peek of Stormwatch: Post Human Division #13 [1] tags all the main participants and is pretty clear he is "Jackson King"). I have to say that, in this case, it really doesn't seem to matter as they are interchangeable and I am not bothered either way - I would slightly lean towards Battalion though as it'd help separate him from Jackson King but I don't really care (although as there isn't much to call between the two I'd suggest leaving it be as it is clearly the less hassle). (Emperor (talk) 15:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Comics encyclopedias

Does anyone have a copy of The DC Comics Encyclopedia or other third party comics encyclopediass? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contributions) 22:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't even know it existed, but I've just ordered one. FYI, there's a new edition coming out in October. Ford MF (talk) 22:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Nicely played sir. When you get it, please post here about your impression of it. I'm hoping it will be useful in improving comic articles. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contributions) 04:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Do we have a section on reference material? Someone pointed out one for music which was useful - people listed handy books and added their names to it so if we needed something from a book or a reference checking they could find someone to ask. (Emperor (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC))
Wow, that is a terrific idea. If that doesn't exist already, someone should start it. Ford MF (talk) 14:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I can get several of the older Jeff Rovin encyclopedias as well, if anyone thinks they would be of use. John Carter (talk) 15:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I can't find the example someone showed a while back but I'd suggest we link in a new page from: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/References#Publications (suggestions on names?) where we can add useful books and then who has what. Not sure if this should be broken down into a table so we can split up things via edition or just get people to add the edition when they add their name. (Emperor (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC))
I think we should just put in on the References page until it really takes off. Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Reference Library is an example of what we may want to shoot for. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contributions) 01:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Good find. Also "Reference Library" = I think we'll 'borrow' that one. I think we might as well go for a Comic Reference Library page from the start - I'm sure just a couple of people have a lot of things to hand and I know of other books I'd want to throw in there in the hope of finding someone with them as they could prove very useful. So whichever approach people want, as long as we strike while the iron is hot. (Emperor (talk) 03:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC))
I noticed some time back that the Official Handbooks of the Marvel Universe were being frowned upon/uprooted in at least some cases, so - two queries - can anyone confirm and/or explain that? and would the same thinking discredit "company encyclopedias" (as opposed to reference books)...? ntnon (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and I've got several comics reference books immediately to hand, and many more that (hopefully) will be in a couple of months. ntnon (talk) 03:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
The handbooks are frowned upon, I forget exactly why. I think it may be becuase they don't always agree with the actual comics. They also don't help with showing notability for characters because they're published by the companies themselves. That DC encyclopedia mentioned above and some others aren't made by a comic company so they would be OK as secondary sources. Are any of your reference books not published by the comics companies? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Most of TwoMorrows Publishing should be OK and a lot of those in Category:Books about comics - I have Thrill Power Overload which is a goldmine.
The handbook business falls afoul of the self-published guidelines although, as noted, they can still be useful for WP:V purposes, as things like The Sandman Companion (and potentially the upcoming Hellboy: The Companion) can be one of the most useful sources of information on the subject. Obviously if the handbooks are also deemed inaccurate then claims for even WP:V go out of the window - if someone could find the previous discussion on that it'd be handy. (Emperor (talk) 04:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC))
The DC Encyclopedia (and the Marvel one) are published by Dorling Kindersley, it's true, but they're written by DC (and Marvel) staff, if I remember rightly, so I wonder just how secondary they could be considered... and likewise Fleischer's three older Encyclopedias. Even the new Essential Batman Encyclopedia could fall into whatever grey area the Handbooks do. Maybe. But then I would be more inclined to trust a source on DC characters written by DC writers than a second hand example which - for the most part - will likely be drawing on the initial source that may be frowned on...! That would be a logical non-argument of bizarre proportions. So, if anyone can resurrect the precise whys and wherefores, that would indeed be handy. I did think that it could be as simple as being a suggestion that, since Who's Who and the OHotMU should derive their facts from the comics themselves, it's better to quote the source than the reportage of the source.
Most of my books (and magazines, and fanzines) aren't published by the companies themselves - indeed, there's very few that are, in the grand scale of things. Handbooks, Who's Who and the Amazing World of DC Comics are the only obvious sources that are published by Marvel and DC, and of those the latter is a veritable goldmine of on-the-scene factual information that only very, very, very barely could be criticised as being self-published and self-agrandising. I've got many examples of TwoMorrows' output (somewhere) for example. Great, great books/magazines. ntnon (talk) 09:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

(redent)I'm going to try and find some of these at the library (after I get a library card ;-) ). I bring this up because at Notability (fiction), although it hasn't reached consensus, the latest thing to do with fictional characters is to merge them into lists. I don't relish the idea of mergin all our comics characters into lists. I'm thinking the quickest way to determine which comics characters are notabile, and which aren't, is to find comics encyclopedias that aren't published by the character's owners. If we can find several second-party encycs that all mention the same character with a decent amount of coverage from each, that's a pretty good indication that the character is notible. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comics Set Indicies

Given the peculiar (although not unique) nature of the comics industry we have a lot of characters/publications sharing the same names: Category:Disambig-Class Comics articles. The answer to this is making the pages a set index and {{SIA}} has now been changed to allow flexibility and we can now use this {{SIA|comics}} instead of {{disambig}}. As with the mountains and ships examples, although flexibility is allowed with regard to WP:MOSDAB, it is wise for the relevant project to define what should be allowed on their own pages to stop things getting out of hand. So I thought I'd throw in some ideas, most of which grow out of general prociples:

  • Text at the start would be along the line of: "X, in comics, may refer to" (as, in fact, here: X (comics))
  • Nested lists are fine if they help give a visual clue to the relationships.
  • More than one link per item/line is OK but they should only be for articles that help people find the right article, so perhaps the writer or artist most obviously connected with the project or a publisher or a specific object or dimension perhaps. The important thing is to not link to every article that exists is just going to degrade the usefulness of the page.
  • I'd say link to the main disambiguation page using "see also", hatnotes are also an option but you could fall afoul of WP:NAMB
  • If you add a redlink then you need to reference it and bear in mind that WP:REDLINK still applies here so if it is a comic someone decided to make in their lunchbreak and pass round to their friends then it can't be included. The exception might be minor characters of the Big Two as these will ultimately be redirected to lists of DC/Marvel characters.

So see, for example: Sandman (comics), which we've had for a while and it has proved very helpful in getting everything named properly and demonstrating how things are related - it uses nested lists and the extra link per item I added is to Neil Gaiman (as folks visiting the page would be quite likely to be looking for the Neil Gaiman Sandman, for example).

We do have pages which started out as disambiguation pages which have become some kind of half-way house between a full-blown article and a disambiguation page (e.g. Thor (comics)) and this might be the ultimate aim for a lot of set index articles, but when it reaches the kind of point Thor does, then normal WP:MOS applies and I'd say it no longer really operates as a set index (although I am open to discussion on that point).

Soooo anything else that is needed? (Emperor (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC))

A thought or two...
  • I almost like the idea of treating some of the hub/alias articles into these, especially if all of the subsections of the hub point to other articles.
  • Is it possible to set these up to be transcluded into the main dab pages?
- J Greb (talk) 23:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Interesting idea. You could stick noinclude tags around the top and bottom of the set index. The main problem would be that part of the point is that they don't conform to WP:MOSDAB and so the pages they are transcluded into would stop conforming with it. I don't see that being a big issue with the comics but some of the other projects have pushed the formatting -see for example what is done on the subpages from here: Bear Mountain. That might be an issue for them to resolve, as part of the point is that the projects define what changes they need to MOSDAB and Bear Mountain (Alaska) is clearly differently styled to Bear Mountain (California).
Part of my thinking was to get a more unified guideline for what you can do with a set index and then let each project decide on how the variations are applied (so if you can put in more than one link per list item comics might go for a well-known artist or writer, a team or possibly a publisher, while films might go with the star actor or the director) and this could ultimately lead to more standardisation rather than everyone going off in their own directions.
Equally, if the different projects kept an eye on their own specific set indices it could lead to either the big disambiguation pages becoming holders for links to the set indices (because why would you want to go through business, bands, films, etc. looking for the comic you want?) or it could lead to them being transcluded back in, which a more uniform MOS would allow (for those like mountains it is possible they could template their pages to use noinclude/include only to change the formatting depending on whether it is transcluded or not.
So yes I like the idea and the aim for a broader, more standardised approach, could allow for that somewhere down the line (better than the way it was with people going off and doing their own thing and making it up as the went along). I do suspect the simpler approach is to have the disambiguation page be the holder for links on to set indices (and other similar pages like the names pages overseen by Anthroponymy WikiProject), as well as other bots that don't fit (which would make them much easier to use) but transcludig the set indices could be an option and wrangling the various set indices could allow this. It strikes me there may even be a "best of both worlds" solution - create a simple template where you could place something like "setindex|Sandman (comics)" on to a disambiguation page which would produce a link on to Sandman (comics) but also provide a small "show/hide" toggle which would reveal the transcluded set index on the disambiguation page. It'd mean those looking for sandman comics need never have to deal with the main disambiguation page (they can rapidly find what they are looking for) and those who are more lost can go via the main page to the main disambiguation and dig through to find what they are looking for (the show and hide helping them out by reducing the extra clicks required). So while it is probably something to be dealt with further down the line, the changes do mean that one (or both) solutions could be implemented. (Emperor (talk) 00:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Portal:Marvel

As far as I can tell, this portal is no longer in use. It hasn't been updated since late 2006 (main portal page, or subpages: the latest news is from October 2006). It is also not visited very often (276 times in May[2], compared to over 9,000 times for the general comics portal[3] or 24,000 times for the anime and manga portal[4]. Before taking this to WP:MfD, I thought it would be easier to check here if these portal is seen as something we should revive or something that could better be removed. Fram (talk) 10:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I never even knew it existed until now - that trickle of visitors could easily just be visitors (or even site indexing spiders) getting lost and moving quickly on. (Emperor (talk) 04:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Bibliographies into Publication histories

I was looking at Marvel character articles with bibliography sections, and I was thinking that they might look better if I just reformatted them into Publication History sections. So, using the Marvel Universe Appendix and the Comic Book Database as references, I did this on a few minor characters (read: small bibliographies!) such as El Aguila, Ajak, American Eagle, Angar the Screamer, Black Crow, Blue Shield, and Lorelei. I've also added similar sections to a few other minor characters, such as Collective Man and Man-Bull.

Before I go and do a bunch more like this, I was wondering what other people think of this. The sections are fairly bare bones like this, but more information can always be added. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 13:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

This seems fairly sensible and the kind of thing we should be looking into. It might be you could have both but if there had to be just one it is publication history every time. The various databases can usually provide the details of every single appearance by a character but we may not really need to know if they appeared in the background of scene unless it has some importance (like the pro/anti registration superheroes).
We did discuss pushing it further into character development (and integrating the publication history and fictional biography - it is in a discussion about the Troy McClure article but I'll be jiggered if I can find it at the moment) which might be something worth keeping an eye on but for now nearly every comics article should have publication history - it helps takes the focus off the "in universe" material. (Emperor (talk) 14:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC))
Yea it looks like a good idea to me especially for minor characters that don't have many appearances, or where the bibliography isn't well formatted. However, characters with significant bibliographies should proberly have both with the Bibliography section listing only comic series in which they are the title character. --- Paulley (talk) 14:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] World Comics working group

Hello. I notice the World Comics working group doesn't seem to have really made it off the ground yet, and I would like to be part of it. I left a comment on the working group's talk page, but to summarize: right now Asian comics (excepting Japanese manga, which are part of the Anime & Manga workgroup) are not covered by any workgroup. Technically they are under the auspices of 'local' wikiprojects like WP:CHINA, WP:KOREA, etc, but technically all the articles handled here by Wikiproject Comics fall under regional projects, as well. And you know how that works out. ;) I'm a member of and have made inquiries at those projects -- there's no centralized (if any) comics-related action there.

I've been looking at articles dealing specifically with manhwa (Korean comics) and the subject area is in dire need of some wikiproject representation -- organization, prioritizing, categorization cleanup, templates, MoS recommendations, etc. Can non-Japanese Asian comics (at the very least, manhwa and manhua, Chinese comics) be added to the scope of world comics working group? Naturally a few details need to be hammered out over specific parts of the category, but by and large it's small once Japan is removed. Our editors will never be a cast of thousands but we very much need "someplace" to go, and I think consistency between Asian comics (which largely follow the Anime & Manga project's MoS) and other non-English comics would be a good thing, as well. Some technical advice may be needed occasionally, but otherwise I can see us being fairly self-contained. Thanks for your time! --hamu♥hamu (talk) 00:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is an overlooked work-group (for some reason I'd forgotten to sign up) but Asian comics are within its purview (even if they have somehow been left out of the work-group's official scope - it may be that was before the Anime and Manga Project shake-up. After that I did add a lot of manhua and manhwa to the Comic Project and the World Work-group in particular, it just looks like we didn't add it into the scope). I've given a fuller reply over on the work-group talk but thanks for your enthusiasm - it should be a big help. The Anime and Manga Project has operated as a largely separate unit and, as you note, has its own templates and infoboxes (partly as they often deal with anime and manga in the same article) but there shouldn't be any reason Asian comics as a whole can't use the main comic templates and if you spot a specific aspect that is currently not covered then we can look into updating things. (Emperor (talk) 03:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Infobox revits

Two infobox issues that have scrolled off but I've been tinkering with:

The basic infobox design. The tinkering I've done has yielded this. Which can be compared to this. I'm looking for comments or if this is a reasonable evolution of the 'boxes we use.

The other is the combined 'boxes. I've cobbled one together to see if there any support for this type of 'box. The example is for a character/series 'box with a logical switch for character and series.

- J Greb (talk) 00:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of DC Publications

The page (List of DC Comics publications) has been tagged as too long. Which is fair enough, splitting it was discussed on the talk page a long time ago. Could someone split it... or I can, I'd just like to know if there are any conventions I should follow. Split by size (half each) or a straight A-M/N-Z split, naming rules, does the introductory text go on both or just the first page...? Duggy 1138 (talk) 02:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

It'd have to be by letters just check the numbers aren't too skewed in one direction, as we don't necessarily need to split it down the middle. Also would it be worth splitting into 3 or 4 pages? (Emperor (talk) 03:57, 15 June 2008 (UTC))