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[edit] Liga Bet and Gimel

Hey, I was looking through the history of the Israeli football teams articles and saw that you have made many contribs. I was wondering if you had any info on what season(s) Maccabi Bi'ina participated in Liga Bet? --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sport5.png

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[edit] RFA Thanks

One of my favorite places Dear Number 57,

Thank you for supporting in my recent RfA. Words nor pictures can express my heartfelt appreciation at the confidence the community has shown me. I am both heartened and humbled by this confidence. I will carry the lessons learned from the constructive criticism I have received with me as I edit Wikipedia, and heed those lessons. Special thanks to Pedro and Henrik as nominators. Special thanks to Rudget who wanted to. A very special thanks to Moonriddengirl for her eloquence and perceptiveness.

Cheers, Dlohcierekim 19:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elections in 2008

I see that you've seen the new articles I created; do you think I missed any? ;) —Nightstallion 19:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] edit warring

Why are you are edit warring on {{Serbian Superliga}}?

Crvena zvezda is used by:

Also Google hits:

Now what is your problem? // laughing man 23:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:AIV

Head over there and please review my situation. — Save_Us_229 12:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Appears someone got to the issue. Thanks anyways. — Save_Us_229 12:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Rodrigo Díaz (footballer)

Nah I don't get it? You must definitely be a football fan to remove that speedy. The clubs notable but the players not. This is going to be taken further. Don't worry you will get to have your say in the discussions. Sting_au Talk 12:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I read WP:BIO parts of it look to me like he shouldn't have an article about him. For example, "(who meet the general criteria of secondary sources published about them)" and Footbal-lineups.com is not a reliable secondary source. The clubs notable but he's not so remarkable. At least nothings been done to the article to SHOW that he is i.e. by properly referencing the guy. Inline citations would look good now wouldn't they. Or is it just because he's a footballer? To say my nom was one of the worst you've seen shows a bit of bias I reckon? I am taking that as an insult to my integrity. I'm definitely no expert here on Wikipedia, but to see so many articles on Footballers, and average ones at that too! Seems rather odd to me? Fair enough if an athlete plays for their country or in a world cup or even Olympic games or breaks a world record. Now that I can understand! I see there's still a few red links on that Independiente players list. So more not so remarkable footballer articles coming up soon I suppose? Sting_au Talk 12:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Now that (supplying references) actually makes sense. That's what the article needs. Without the references he doesn't survive WP:BIO and I did read it. But the article writer is the expert in that area. Not me. He can provide the references. I'll give him till tomorrow. If the references are not supplied it goes to WP:AfD. Sting_au Talk 13:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
If it's so easy why doesn't the article creator google up the reference and add it? I just read your reference to WP:POINT I thought I did make my point? I'm sorry but you seem to be taking this personally? Perhaps we should both step back and let an independent Admin take a look at this please? Sting_au Talk 13:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cheers

Cheers for your support of the Rodrigo Díaz article, I can't believe that anyone would make such a concerted effort to bin it, there are dozens of footballers on wikipedia with no appearances at all and this guy has nearly 200 in top flight football in two of the best leagues outside Europe. As for the "dreaded threat" of more Independiente players, I doubt it, I made articles for all the squad players to feature in at least half of their games this season, the others would survive AfD under current notability criteria, but they aren't key players, so I'll not be creating articles for them until next season at least, and then only if they play a bigger part in the first team. I may eventually go back over the Independiente players adding extra sources, but I'm a bit busy creating pages for all of the regular first teamers in the other Argentine Primera squads and the dreaded transfer window is looming ominously. Kind regards as always. King of the NorthEast 16:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] runtshit

FYI, I've checkuser-blocked the IP that was the source of the most recent barrage of runtshit accounts. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new party

Hi! You should create an article on Hope (political party), founded by Aryeh Eldad, confer http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/29296/seven_seat_lead_for_likud_in_israel -- no? —Nightstallion 21:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Estonian league players

As a reply to your comment. I think attendance numbers have more to do with the popularity of sport in the country and hardly reflect the quality of the game. And although I agree that players from not fully professional leagues should not have an article on the english wikipedia (unless they've earned their notability by playing for their nt or through some other way), I don't think drawing parallels with the Sammarenese premier league, or whatever it's called over there, or the 9th level of the English football league is a good comparison. Look at Levadia for example, they knocked out Finnish Haka and Dutch Twente and went on to play two very good games against Newcastle in the first round of the UEFA Cup last year. This year they came very close to securing a tie with Glasgow Rangers for a place in the Champions League, but, unfortunately, were knocked out on away goals. I'd compare the top Estonian sides with Finnish clubs, although the average level of Veikkausliiga is, of course, higher since it's a fully-pro league and there's no gap between pro and amateur clubs there. So what I'm trying to say, is that having articles about some of the players from the Estonian League is not bad, as long as they are notable, however, that's not the case with the players I nominated. BanRay 10:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is an acceptable article about a business

We have gone through considerable lengths to create a Wikipedia entry that matches the quality and informative nature the many other businesses that are listed at Wikipedia. On the Website Builder page, there are three of our competitors, the article that was submitted was not much different then those that were accepted. Now after three attempts, it still gets deleted. There was no outbound link to iBuilt.net and the article was not written by me or a friend. The two most recent entries are not blatant advertising, they are a historical overview of iBuilt.net.

Please review http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IBuilt.net_Website_Builder&action=edit

and perhaps offer some advice or help get the article undeleted. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thomas Husmann —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thusmann (talk • contribs) 18:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Afia

How can I get you not to delete the afia article for my new company? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jernel22 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WHY DID YOU DELETE "PHANTOM ARCADE"?

I had created this page to tell others what the popular website phantom arcade was. why, exactly did you delete this page? i added at the bottom: Stub, more to come at a later date. next time, when I rewrite it please do not delete it as i was half way through creating it.

[edit] Flags on Template:Australian elections

Hi :) Your views about this are sought on on the Template talkpage. --Brendan [ contribs ] 13:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Award

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[edit] Category comment

Hi. i saw your note on Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict issues. just want to let you know, it was not my intention at all to create an unbalanced category. this all seems kind of ironic, as my whole point was to provide a category which would lay out the issues clearly, neutrally and helpfully. Guess I didn't succeed. is there any way that i could please ask you to reconsider? please feel free to write anytime. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ==Season's Greetings==

May this season bring you success, good times and happiness. Looking forward to working with you in the future.
Hαvεlok беседа мансарда 07:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli political parties

Hi,

First of all I'd like to compliment you on your monumental work on the Israeli political parties articles, as you may have noticed It has assisted me in the creation some of the parallel articles on the Hebrew Wikipedia. I'd like to ask you about a particular sentence that I've failed to understand from the article Hebrew Communists, your help would be much appreciated. you wrote: "the party returned to life during the first Knesset when several of Maki's leaders were purged soon after the elections in 1949. Amongst the purged was Knesset member Eliezer Preminger." what kind of purge exactly were you referring to?

Also, do you have some kind of online source that lists the parties that failed to cross the electoral threshold (of the various elections), and a source that specify which party was a member of which coalition? that information is very difficult to come by. Apollo 11 (talk) 23:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Israel

Hi. Sure, I'd like to join, although I should add I'm not an expert wikipede yet... - Nudve (talk) 18:07, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Football (soccer) move

Hi,

I know you're involved in the discussion, and hence not exactly neutral, but are you still allowed to carry out the move if consensus is clear? What with it being the holidays and all, I don't see the current WP:RM backlog clearing any time soon. Getting this over and done with might allow the article's discussion page to move onto things other than this one, endless argument. Chris Cunningham (talk) 14:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm in the process of fixing double redirects, but it looks like you're doing it too. Do you want me to leave you to it or shall I do it? --kingboyk (talk) 17:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] South Side Mission deletion

I would like to have the deletion of South Side Mission reversed, please.

South Side Mission is the oldest rescue ministry on the city of Peoria, IL, and serves over 10,000 people at or below the poverty line in our community each year. We are also the frequent topic of research papers written by students of private and public institutions, from jr. high students to Bradley University, to SIU (Edwardsville).

I do appreciate that though it was founded the same year as Caterpillar, Inc., the world impact is somewhat less impressive. But, I must point out that the fabric of the community of Peoria would look very different with no one to care for the less fortunate.

Many of the most notable companies and people of Peoria support or received support from South Side Mission, including Maui Jim, Caterpillar, Inc., Shaun Livingston, and Mayor Murray Baker.

I posted this article for the benefit of those looking for the complete picture of the history of our community, instead of only the tourist information, and I believe it deserves consideration.

Meg Newell megn@southsidemission.org

[edit] 3RR breach

please self revert [1][2][3][4] or you will be reported for violation of WP:3RR.

cordially, JaakobouChalk Talk 11:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

despite your assertion (dabbled with a threat) that you have not breached the policy, [5] each of your edits purposely removed the information regarding the jewish-israeli casualty. i suggest you go over WP:3RR:I have violated 3RR. What do I do? and reconsider your actions. JaakobouChalk Talk 11:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wolverton Town F.C.

Hi. As you have stated support for the deletion of the above article, would you care to expand on your reasoning at the article talk page, in the discussion on the proposal to merge only relevant detail into the Wolverton A.F.C. article and then create a redirect to that article where the current Wolverton Town F.C. article now exists? Thanks. Ref (chew)(do) 11:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:A&BPremier

Template:A&BPremier has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. RichardΩ612 18:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A&B Premier

Yes, I did want to put it up for deletion, I don't know why it hasn't gone onto TfD [I am sure I added it]. As for the rationale, with only 3 links working, is it really worth having a navbox? ><RichardΩ612 20:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Middlesbrough Futsal Club

Hi,

I noticed that some bits about Middlesbrough Futsal Club had been removed. Most notably the article. But also Stewart Downing's page had the part about his involvement with the club removed.

Can you explain pleae?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Damon 12345 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Navbox formatting

Hi, I've noticed that you formatted some of the Israel-related navigation boxes. Perhaps you could help me create some boxes like that, as I don't have infinite time to do it unfortunately. Right now I'm thinking about the Israeli ambassadors to the US/UN, also commanders of the Israeli Air Force, as well as other high-ranking posts which don't have navigation templates yet (preferrably only those for whom most articles are created and not red links). Thanks!

On a side note, you might want to archive your talk page, but that's up to you of course. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, I've noticed on your user page that you 'hate redirects'. What exactly does that mean? Are you opposed to redirects as a general idea, or do you mean double redirects? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] unilateral constested move

What gives you the right to unilaterally move FC Red Star Belgrade that has undergone numerous discussions?

The previous version was the consensus version. // laughing man 22:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about there was no consensus for FC Red Star Belgrade? The article remained as "FC Red Star Belgrade" for 3 months with no objections from the Wikipedians editing the article. You come 3 months later and decide you don't like the name and move it with no discussion. // laughing man 22:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Your not getting the point. The article was moved to FC Red Star Belgrade and your refering to a 3 month old discussion of the article name. Your simply unilaterally moving the article to the name that you want. (there was NO recent discussion about a move on the talk page) and basically destabilizing the article, which you never were a regular editor of. Do you think that's the proper way to behave? // laughing man 22:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Template:Afghan elections

Actually it is not accepted (many non Pashtuns (non ethnic Afghans)reject this term). Also, the recent constitution was forged by a small group of people. There is alot of controversy of this term, thus it is better to be neutral. Dupree3 (talk) 09:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

For more a little background information on this controversy... see Demography of Afghanistan. Dupree3 (talk) 09:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreed by who? A few users who really don't know much on this subject. All scholarly sources say that Afghan=Pashtun. Since there had to be a discussion in the first place, clearly the term is controversial and we should not take sides and be neutral. As for that edit, I made that edit because that user was using sockpuppets, check his account, it has been confirmed. Dupree3 (talk) 09:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes they do, here's a few:

Encyclopaedia Iranica: "“Afg@a@n” is the term by which the Persian-speakers of Afghanistan (and the non-PaÞáto@-speaking ethnic groups generally) designate the PaÞátu@n. The equation Afghans = PaÞátu@n has been propagated all the more, both in and beyond Afghanistan, because the PaÞátu@n tribal confederation is by far the most important in the country, numerically and politically. The Afghans or PaÞátu@n are characterized by: (1) Their language, PaÞáto@, the most important Iranian language of the east, with a remarkably rich literature. (2) Their clan structure, which clearly distinguishes them from the Tajik of Afghanistan who generally have none at all (see PaÞátu@n). (3) Their social code, paÞátu@nwal^ (see PaÞátu@n) or simply paÞáto@, that governs relations among some PaÞátu@n, as a code of honor, and defines the essential principles of the individual ethic and the national virtues. (4) Certain characteristics, both social and cultural, extinct or living, (e.g., we@Þ, the periodic redistribution of lands; nomadism, etc.). The term “Afg@a@n” has probably designated the PaÞátu@n since ancient times. Under the form Avaga@náa, this ethnic group is first mentioned by the Indian astronomer Vara@ha Mihira in the beginning of the 6th century A.D. in his Bráhat-samáhita@."

British Library: "afghans (1) An ethnic group: the Pushtun tribes inhabiting the area roughly lying between the Hindu Kush in the North and the Indus in the South; Pathans. Comes to mean Pathans residing in Afghanistan. Divided into two main groups, the Abdalis (qv) and the Ghilzais (qv). The predominant ethnic group in Afghanistan."

Dupree3 (talk) 09:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


I meant sources on the subject. A dictionary is just a dictionary, it obviously won't give this type of information.

Also, several dictionaries use other terms such as Afghanistani. Why isn't that used instead since Afghan clearly has too much ambiguity?

Afghanistani

adjective 1. of or relating to or characteristic of Afghanistan or its people

noun 1. a native or inhabitant of Afghanistan

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.

Dupree3 (talk) 09:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Afghan, as a misnomer, might be more common but it is not as correct. Regardless, I'm not changing it back to Afghanistani. I have taken the neutral stance and given it a neutral name. Not only that, it just sounds better and is more consistent with other election articles (for example: Elections in Iraq). Dupree3 (talk) 10:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok I'll revert that edit until that user is proven as a sockpuppet. Actually, looking at other articles, such as Elections in Iraq, etc... Elections in -instertcountry- seems to be the right way. Dupree3 (talk) 10:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure that was a sockpuppet, but ok I'll leave the talk page alone also. I'll do a checkuser soon though. Dupree3 (talk) 10:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move of Israel Beytenu

While the correct transliteration is Yisrael Beitenu (not Beiteinu), we should use the official transliteration as defined by the party's website at www.beytenu.org. Please move the page back or provide other sources for the spelling. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't notice that, thanks for the heads up. I have contacted the party about the inconsistencies through its website. Hopefully they get them fixed. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 09:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help.

Please. My username is Aieff. I need your help. I was playing with the buttons on the monobook.js and now I can not access my account. I ask if he can shut down the contents of my monobook.js. Thank you. Aieff Excuse my English. I use the Google translator to communicate with you. My original language is Spanish.

Thank you and I apologize for the inconvenience caused. Aieff (talk) 13:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Hirohito#RFC:_Appropriate_Emperor_Name

An RFC on content you have commented on has opened, comments are welcome. MBisanz talk 01:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] unprotection

Hi, need a bit of advice here, where can I ask for a page to be unprotected, cheers! BanRay 10:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, never mind, I think i found, thanks anyway. BanRay 11:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Georgia referendums

Hi. There were two separate ballots, but both referendums were held simultaneously on the same day. Regards, --KoberTalk 16:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 22:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Raydon

I have nominated Raydon, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raydon. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 13:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltarian vs Gibraltar

Hello. "Gibraltar" is also used as the adjective form of Gibraltar, as strange as it may seem. This was discussed some time ago at Talk:Gibraltar#Gibraltar_-v-_Gibraltarian. Just thought I'd point it out. Chris.B (talk) 17:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shown me the way

Thanks for having shown an old countryman of yours the way on the Israeli project. I now joined and shall try to do my best whenever called upon or needed. I shall look for articles not yet made or expand those excisting. Tanks, tanks a lot, really! Yours sincerely, Shojaijekhi (talk) 21:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kingofmann (talk · contribs)

Please see my comments at Kingofmann's talk page. The talk page of a BLP is not the appropriate place to carry out a suspected sock puppets discussion. --B (talk) 14:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I see that Kingofmann has been unblocked. However, the first thing he seem to have done is delete a post by DrKiernan which refers to a Sockpuppet investigation (user QYV has undone it). Is that not a repeat of his prior activity that brought about the block in the first place? --Heraldic 15:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heraldic (talk • contribs)

[edit] Deletion of relevant articles concerning the wikiproject on Irish football!!

Do you not realise that you have deleted articles that are regarded as important to the wikiproject on Irish Football? The project maintains that there should be articles created on all notable competitions, clubs, players etc. in Ireland. These articles are regarded as extremely important within the project and being a long serving contributor to the project, I would not litter the Irish football scene with rubbish articles. I'd like to request that these articles, Conor Mullan and Maydown F.C. be recreated with immediate effect. Ryannus (talk) 20:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, it seems you did not assume good faith by deleting the articles without even a review! Ryannus (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply.

I understand what you're saying, but, my argument is that both articles, by their very definition are notable and are considered important to the WikiProject for Irish football. There are a large number of 'non notable' non-league amateur English teams in Wikipedia, why are Irish ones considered to not meet the requirements, if English ones do. However, the point is, the articles are within the scope of the Wikiproject for Irish Football and deserve at least a deletion review. Thank you. Ryannus (talk) 21:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

We could get into a huge debate about the notability of a club being relevant to the standard of the football in certain countries. You said that they shouldn't have articles, having not played in fully professional leagues? I would hardly say that all those Non-League English clubs with Wikipedia articles are fully professional. The Derry and District League is about 4 levels below the top League in Northern Ireland, and the Ulster Senior League in the Republic of Ireland is a mere two levels behind the top league in ROI. These teams are as relevant to Irish football as all those non league amateur teams are to English football. Conor Mullan, however has had numerous trials with the likes of Limavady United F.C., Institute F.C., (appearing in friendlies) and Manchester United F.C. He is the relative of Gerry Mullan and son of the legendary Lawrence Mullan.

Overall, I'd like to say that the whole footballing spectrum on Wikipedia needs either a huge clean up, or a better tolerance of Irish Football, which, despite Wales being bigger, as you say, has experienced a higher degree of success on the European stage. Ryannus (talk) 21:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks Ryannus (talk) 22:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you...

John Carter (talk) 21:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Palestine-Israel articles RfAr

As far as the remedy provisions go, yes; you're perfectly free to offer your services to the disputing parties, but we're looking to minimize complaints of involvement as far as the "big stick" aspect of things is concerned.

(In the long term, I'm hopeful that the working group remedy—assuming it passes—will lead to a better system for resolving disputes on these articles; but the Committee's workload means that we're unfortunately trapped in the position of applying a mallet rather than a scalpel, at this point.) Kirill 13:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kiribati/I-Kiribati/Kiribatian

Why do you think Kiribatian is a better choice than I-Kiribati (Or even just Kiribati)? I have never seen "Kiribatian" written in print or any other medium in my research of Kiribati; normally I see Gilbertese or I-Kiribati (pronounced "e-kee-ree-bass") used. I'm not even sure how Kiribatian would be pronounced. Kee-ree-bass'in? I understand wanting to use the English demonym but this one doesn't make sense to me. --Henry W. Schmitt (talk) 02:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

On that issue, please see here. I've got several books about Kiribati, I've checked them, and they all use "I-Kiribati". That includes both those written by Western scholars and those written by I-Kiribati authors themselves. There is consensus on this point. Everybody uses "I-Kiribati"; nobody uses "Kiribatian". I'll be reverting the titles of those articles back to the correct term. Aridd (talk) 13:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Number 57, please take a look here for my reply to your latest comment. Thanks. Aridd (talk) 14:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FC Krylia Sovetov-SOK Dimitrovgrad

Very minor issue. You said you moved FC Krylya Sovetov-SOK to FC Krylia Sovetov-SOK Dimitrovgrad per Talk:FC Krylia Sovetov Samara#Requested move, but instead the consensus was to move it to FC Krylia Sovetov-SOK. Was it an accidental move or not? Thanks!   Jhony  |  Talk   16:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

That is a full name or something like that. Yeah, I'll move it to FC Krylia Sovetov-SOK. Thanks for the fast reply!   Jhony  |  Talk   17:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence presented by PalestineRemembered

Will you just provide the evidence about Jaakobou so that it is out in the open. I don't understand why you are holding it back if it is so convincing. If you can't provide the evidence, then remove the section. After all, it is an Evidence page, not an accusations one. пﮟოьεԻ 57 17:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I have now agreed to provide the proof, subject only that it not be deleted. We've had dedicated, abusive sock-puppetry from partisans on this topic before, they weren't forced to confess and the evidence was deleted. Today I discover even the sock-masters account in that case has been deleted (very prematurely, since it was active not long ago). The evidence in this case mustn't be treated the same way. PRtalk 18:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Banned user Beh-nam

I noticed that you blocked banned user Beh-nam's sockpuppet AbbasPeretz. His latest sockpuppet, based upon his edits and timing, is AmericanAnthropologist01, contribs, as may be seen by his edits to Afghan Canadian and Hazara people. He also is attempting to build up edit credit by adding templates such as Skiptotoctalk and others to talk pages. --Bejnar (talk) 19:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

See also Beh-nam's previous sockpuppet: CanadianAnthropologist. --Bejnar (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I confess its me. I was banned for a really... really... bad reason: for "edit warring" with user: NisarKand's sock user: DreamOfJeanie and for reporting an Admin's friend for sockpuppetry (he labeled it as "proxying"). I'm not going to accept my ban until someone investigates it.
By the way, this account right now is from one of the top Universities in the world (this is the first time I'm using Wiki from the unversity libraries). Alot of smart people from here edit Wikipedia. If you block this account of mine you'll block my entire university... (just check my IP to confirm it). I don't think Wikipedia wants to block a top instition from editing. -- AmericanAnthropologist01 (talk) 19:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

And even if you do block my entire university form editing, I'll just go home and make another account. To stop me from making constructive edits, you would have to block my university and my ISP, which is the largest ISP in my city and used by atleast 2 million people. AmericanAnthropologist01 (talk) 19:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Just after AmericanAnthropologist01 was blocked, a new account appeared: StevenLeClark, who has reverted Afghan Canadian back to the version by AmericanAnthropologist01 [6]. He has also made the same changes to Template:History of Afghanistan [7] as the previous sock account, User:AbbasPeretz [8].
I don't know if this is sufficient evidence to block him, but at the very least, someone should watch that account. --Raoulduke47 (talk) 22:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, sorry to bother you with this again, but he now seems to have created a single-purpose account to revert the Afghanistani redirect: User:ChineseGuy12 (contribs). It seems logical that "Afghanistani" should redirect to "Afghanistan", but Beh-nam absolutely wants a link to Demography of Afghanistan, where he's dumped all his POV theories. I'm getting a bit tired of reverting sockpuppets, so could you possibly semi-protect that page? Thanks. --Raoulduke47 (talk) 22:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesian Elections

Thanks for tidying up the various Indonesian election pages. I did try to use the right templates, but they, and tables, easily confuse me. It was much easier when there were only three "parties". Shalom. Davidelit (talk) 13:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

There weren't really any elections to speak of in the colonial period. The Dutch did establish a People's Council (Volksraad) in 1918 with 10 of the 19 elected members being Indonesians. However they were elected by unelected local councils. Although the body grew steadily until 1939, it only had an advisory role, and the Dutch kept it on a tight leash. Incidentally there were local elections in many areas of Indonesia in 1957, but they are known as the "lost elections" as detailed results are impossible to obtain. The strong showing of the Communists caused a degree of panic at the time, which contributed to the postponement and then cancellation of the 1959 election. Regards Davidelit (talk) 13:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charlie Howard

Dag & Red are in League Two. FLT is restricted to League One & Two teams these days Jimbo[online] 16:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A big concern

Hello Number 57. I have a complain to make and since i am new in so called "Wikipedia World" More often this Wikipedia has been banned as a source by many Afghan communities for example in many of our meetings in regards to culture and history open discussions wikipedia has been given a bad name for being "Anti-Afghan". I am myself a member of ASAC "Afghan Student Association of Canada" where an issue of "bad" wikipedia has been rise. For you may not be aware of what i am talking about unless you kindly take your time and review some of the stuff. I don't know who is the Admin but it seems i found you and your contribution in vast areas of many topics. I thought maybe you can help us, OR to get us in contact with someone who can help us increase knowledge of Wikipedia. Or at least someone who can delete false and wrong/racist personal comments of contributers from wikipedia. Just to let you know without being Racist large number of Iranians or who-ever hates people of Afghanistan have been working in wikipedia as their full time job in fact i think they work over-time for about 18 Hour per day. Anyways my point is that them haters post nothing but foolish stuff which makes no sense. Although wikipedia has been given bad names for the past but there are some numbers who does believe in wikipedia and therefore there is a chance to safe its name from Afghans criticizing.

Please take your time, and review many Afghan related topics where you know wrong or false info has been provided. Wikipedia where haters makeup all sorts of stuff it must be controlled. An Afghan hater Anoshirawan, To name few who have been creating many user names and delete the true information and add up their own personal stuff, like Afghanistani, which has never been heard, saying Afghanistani source same as saying Americani, We all know nationality of Afghanistan's people regardless of their ethnicity are referred to as Afghan not Afghanistani or some other ethnic given name, so be fare and please review their other self created falsehood where they add everything and every famous known Afghan either singer, or politician are relating with Iran or Tajik (Turkic Persi speakers of Central Asia).

142.204.16.10 (talk) 18:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Well...

...bugger me, I didn't realise you were a Suffolk-ite (or whatever we're called). Guess I didn't check your user page out! Anyway, hopefully you'll be happy (?) to continue enhancing the Portman Road article and maybe help me get it over to FA? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, quite local, born in the town and only moved about 25 miles up the road so still around a bit. Thanks for your ideas, I'll need to sort out some references for the Pioneer Stand/selling players thing, I've always thought that had happened but only anecdotally so if you have any sources for that it'd be very handy. As for the other facilities round the back, that's a good point, I'll do some more digging. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 08:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for that ref. I can't find anything specific about the facilities behind the Britannia stand. Any ideas? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey, thanks again. I added the Col U reference since it explicitly mentioned an astroturf pitch behind the stand. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Evening! Don't suppose you fancy commenting at the FAC for Portman Road, do you? Even if you don't think it's up to scratch I'd be interested in keeping the FAC moving along... Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Samar

Thanks for correcting the spelling. Is there a reliable resource I can use to verify the English spelling of Hebrew names? Mostly I have used trial and error, which allows errors such as Semer instead of Samar. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 17:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gold Coast legislative election, 1951

Updated DYK query On 26 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gold Coast legislative election, 1951, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On 29 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sierra Leonean general election, 1967, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 05:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Football chants

At some point, someone's removed the claim (which can be referenced) that On the ball, City is the world's oldest surviving football chant. --Dweller (talk) 11:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Many thanks!

Your advice and guidance is much appreciated. Cheers, Katecasares (talk)

[edit] Disruptive user

Hi, I've captured this distruptive user who is vandalising articles. I've noticed that you banned several of his other sock accounts, can you also ban this one User:Farsiwan22. I'm very sure it is him again, thanks!--Inferior-Parsibaan (talk) 18:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What...

...an enviable and rich culture you have, man! I have seen most of your editions on different articles and particularly on the ones related to sport. Kind regards, --Góngora (Talk) 02:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gilo

Hi Number 57! I was wondering if you could have a look at Gilo, which some agenda pusher is turning into a battleground (now that the real one has grown quiet...). My patience is about to blow. Thanks.--Gilabrand (talk) 06:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Number 57, i really appreciate your efforts to bring about a NPOV article that tells both and not just one side of the story - i think you did a great job with trying to come up with a compromise version. My only (small) concern is that there is mention of the biblical references twice, first at the end of the opening paragraph it states 'Gilo was named after a biblical Judean town whose name was preserved by the neighboring Bethlehem suburb of Beit Jala.' then later down the article it reads again 'The biblical town of Gilo is mentioned in the Book of Joshua (Joshua 15:51) and the Book of Samuel (II Sam 15:12) as a town in the Judean hills.[5]' Now personally I think the first one is less ambiguous and is clear in what it is trying to get at - do we really need both? What do you think about combining them? Something like.. 'Gilo was named after a biblical Judean town, mentioned in Joshua 15:51 and II Sam 15:12, whose name was preserved by the neighboring Bethlehem suburb of Beit Jala.' ? Colourinthemeaning (talk) 11:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Iro

While he has not yet played in the MLS (since the season hasn't started), he has featured for the San Fernando Valley Quakes of the PDL. Taken from their website, it says "and UCSB defender and one-time Quakes prospect Andy Iro was drafted sixth overall by Columbus Crew". Besides, it is only a matter of time before he breaks into the Columbus Crew side, say 1 game. Might as well leave it up, I think. It would take much more work to take it down and put it up again instead of just leaving it.

Edit - Forgot to sign GauchoDude (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit2 - I just checked, doesn't seem as if he got into any matches with the PDL team. He was, however, a member of Great Britain's Summer World University Games - Bangkok 2007 roster which surely qualifies him as notable, at least until the MLS season rolls around. If he doesn't get into the first few MLS games, then I will voluntarily delete him myself. GauchoDude (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit3 - Well if you're going to be all strict about it, then visit 2008 MLS SuperDraft as well as the previous drafts and go to town. None of the class of 2008, aside from Lapira, "deserve" an article under your Iron Fist rule if you discount PDL play as well. I'm sure you'll make tons of friends. I'd also like you to take note of the quality and effort put into the Iro page compared to the others because Iro's page will be the last MLS page I create. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GauchoDude (talk • contribs) 22:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit4 - Well wikipedia is obviously lacking credibility if they fail to include someone who is a multiple time All-American as well as the best defensive player from the 2006 NCAA Tournament as not good enough. Instead of bickering with you, I have taken your ever so wise advice and have deleted his page. Now that I have done my part, I fully expect you to clean out the 2008 MLS Draft in 5 days to live up to "your end" of the bargain. Obviously it wouldn't make sense to delete one player and not the others. GauchoDude (talk) 22:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit5 - Be sure to go through all the years. There is also a "Supplemental Draft" which I am sure you will find particularly intriguing as well. GauchoDude (talk) 22:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit6 - Since I am trying to delete as much stuff as I can but don't know how, here's one for you Bryan Arguez. Please let me know how to legally delete pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GauchoDude (talk • contribs) 22:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit7 - Well what about if I didn't write it and the player is ineligible with Iron Fist rules? Unless I am mistaken, Bryan Arguez is insignificant as he has not made any senior team appearances, but I do not know how to do the whole "this page will be deleted in 5 days" thing that you did. GauchoDude (talk) 22:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit8 - It failed miserably. Please check Bryan Arguez and tell me what went wrong. GauchoDude (talk) 23:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Umm Batin

Greetings Number 57! Its been a long time since I've made contact with you. I see you're still editing vigorously, great job! I've dropped by to ask you if you could add the Arabic and Hebrew script to the Umm Batin article as well as the population, which I have not been able to find. --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is not advertising

This is not Meant as advertising but as actual information on this company. I will include reference material to support this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlcmgmt (talk • contribs) 01:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks Shalom

cheers...appreciate it dude. (Jackpollock (talk) 01:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Alfie Potter

Meets notability due to playing in the League Cup for The Posh against W.B.A - Jimbo[online] 15:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I need help with this page

I am attempting to create a page as a school project on a company now I have done research on other similar pages and I have used them as a form pf template can you tell me what I did wrong, there are 3 of us no more no less, Matt got something about multiple users. I don’t know what do. CAN YOU HELP. If I am doing it wrong tell me how to fix it but don’t delete it, I read the guidelines and I agree to some of the things about linking so I wont be doing it no more I guess you can monitor that correct. So I will try again and I hope you help in the progress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawwizard (talk • contribs) 11:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Superliga players

I know, but they only show the last two seasons. According to his FCN profile he has played 22 first team games. He has not played in a long time because of injuries. kalaha 14:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi.. Many players bought in the January transfer window, including Tüchsen, has not yet played any first team matches, as the DK Superliga starts again in March. There are no Danish matches between ~start of December and to ~middle of March. kalaha 19:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD's and the USL

From what I thought I understood, while the USL is a fully professional league, it is not the highest level they could be playing at. That would obviously be the MLS. If the USL does count, where is the cut-off for American leagues? I know for England it would be League 2 or thereabouts, but does America have a similar cutoff line? GauchoDude (talk) 23:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] can you please

stop deleting Blessed Ethel? If you give me five minutes I'll put up a proper page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newmatt3 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ITFC stats and records

Hi Number 57, just thought I'd mention that I've put List of Ipswich Town F.C. statistics and records‎ up at FLC. Thought you may be interested and wish to comment! Hope you're well, all the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your support! About the scrollbar on the reflist, I'm positive I read somewhere that this should be discouraged and {{reflist|2}} was the best approach (despite the two columns not working on IE7)... Are you adamant you wish to have the scrollbar there? I've used the reflist approach in all my othered featured work without complaint... Cheers again! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Review for The New Regime

An editor has asked for a deletion review of The New Regime. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. U-Mos (talk) 15:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FUCI

Would putting the article in category abbreviations be sufficient to avoid deletion here? I googled around looking for this abbreviation after seeing it at supermicro, didn't find anything there or here, and added the abbreviation. It was definitely not my intent to spam or advertise.

And would you happen to have a copy of the deleted article?

CitizenB (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Perhaps we can move across (formalise) some of the other accepted football notability criteria to this page like Clubs: (not below English step 10 etc), Tournaments, Referees, managers, stadiums, individual games etc. King of the NorthEast 16:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

  • yes I suppose we should have !votes on them all, maybe we should focus on reaching consensus regarding 4-6 before raising the next batch for discussion. King of the NorthEast 16:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Random Messages

For some reason, I just accidentally left a message on your talk page, which I've now deleted. I hit the "leave message" button on someone else's page, and for some reason it directed me here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonisme (talk • contribs) 20:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing Vandalism

How did you fix the Columbus page so fast? You did it while I was trying to figure out how to get it back to where it was when I edited it! Thanks.--Dougweller (talk) 21:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Oops! I copied your template but I forgot to change it! I thought it linked to Special:Mytalk. :) Shalom (Hello • Peace) 23:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

On second thought, that wouldn't work because every user has a different talk page. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 23:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Anoshirawan

Unfortunately, it appears that Anoshirawan did not learn from his week in exile. He went right back to making unsubstantiated ethnic edits to, for example, the Kabul Province article (diff), and to edit warring at Ahmad Shah Durrani. See Special:Contributions/Anoshirawan. --Bejnar (talk) 05:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] POVFORK

Hi Tariq. I discovered Israeli Occupation Forces earlier today, and redirected it to Israel Defense Forces#Criticism (and merged some of the text to this article) as I see it as a WP:POVFORK. However, I have no doubt that this will be undone and conflict would escalate. As one of the few neutral admins working on the project, I thought I'd seek your views on protecting the redirect before it's too late. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 23:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't protect it unless an edit war actually occurs. -- tariqabjotu 02:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blocking of User:Anoshirawan

You blocked Anoshirawan on February 7 for edit warring with a block length of one month. I went through his contribs and was unable to find a violation of 3RR. He didn't even edit the same article three times, let alone revert three times. I don't think this block is justified, but I'm not going to unblock yet because I don't want to wheel war with you, but please get back to me. Useight (talk) 01:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I see what you mean there. The block is fine. Useight (talk) 06:24, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting Bray-related pages

Just a note; you've deleted Ardmore Rovers and Wolfe Tone Youth Club for being non-notable, so would you similarly be able to delete Bray Emmetts by the same criteria? Thanks. (They've all been created by the same user.) --Schcambo (talk) 20:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --Schcambo (talk) 21:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marcia Freedman

Hi. Thanks for adding to Marcia Freedman. I never thought about the fact that she must have a page at Hebrew Wikipedia.

Can you help me with the copyright information at he:תמונה:Freedman marsha.jpg? Through attrition, my Hebrew has become pretty poor. I know the picture is from her Knesset page and that it is subject to copyright, but I can't understand the conditions of its use from the copyright box. If you could translate it, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 19:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

PS - Thanks for your comments at Talk:Haaretz. I think the BBC articles you found are very good sources. The sources User:Oren.tal wanted to use weren't WP:RS, and I don't think he understands that. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 19:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the translation. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 22:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vexatious and frivolous litigation

Thanks btw for offering your observations over this, not least because you ended up on the end of a fatuous complaint yourself as a result. And isn't this kind of behaviour - ie constantly accusing others of non-existent breaches, whether Wikistalking or whatever - a breach itself of WP:AGF? If I was bothered enough I'd make a complaint against the complainant ... --Nickhh (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Who are you?, # 57 is hardly a name to stand behind!

  This random article I tripped into leaves me ragging.
  Who do you really propose to represent?
  No malice intended, although in the name of those who should be offended
  I ask here,(having flitsed down your 'about me' scroll) do you consign to all 
  you proclame, are these your heartfelt ideals?

--Babsjuno (talk) 04:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can of worms

So, Deletion review is getting clogged up with deleted footballers, I should have thought of that as a probable consequence of attempting to redefine the criteria away from being just an ad hoc collection of rules by precedent into simple unambiguous criteria by consensus. Nobody seems to be interested in defining any other specific criteria for leagues, clubs etc, many are too busy with their conference players and England under-16 players. I don't really like giving things up but it all feels like a bit of a wasted effort at the moment. Oh and I abdicated in case you didn't notice. Regards English peasant 02:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help

I need your help here and here. Thanks. Aieff (talk) 10:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC) My nickname on commons and Wiki:es is Cansado (Aieff - Tired)

[edit] san simon

Hi Number 57. Ma nishma? Do you know how to create disambiguation pages? I noticed that "San Simon" (the Jerusalem neighborhood) is linked to San Simon in a different country. Thanks for any help you can offer. Some of these technical things are beyond me. Best, --Gilabrand (talk) 11:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unclear application of the new WP:FOOTBALL criteria

Hey, I just wanted to check with you, since you're active in both the WP and AfD as well, as to how the new criteria was being applied. Jamie Price appeared in a game for Tamworth, a professional side, so that should theoretically make him notable, shouldn't it? I saw in other AfDs earlier that there was some other annoyance with our making a criteria at the WP, so I just wasn't sure how we were proceeding forward with it. Thanks. matt91486 (talk) 20:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I just based it off their article, which said they were a professional club; I didn't look into it any further. matt91486 (talk) 01:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] National_elections

Please explain why flags should stay here Template_talk:National_elections#FlagsGnevin (talk) 23:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Deletion Review for Gavin Donoghue

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[edit] Image tagging for Image:SuffolkWhole.png

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[edit] Great Cornard

Hi. The reason I put two references for the population of Great Cornard is that the village is split into 2 wards, North and South. I've referenced both, and added the 2 figures to give the number stated. I realise that the two ref numbers makes the infobox appear a bit cluttered, but I can't think of a better way of doing this. Any suggestions would be welcome. Cheers! Dancarney (talk) 13:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice reference, thanks very much. Dancarney (talk) 15:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of club transfers

Can you shed a little more light on the recent WP:FOOTY consensus regarding the deletion of off-season transfers on club pages? You referenced it generally and in passing in your edit summary on DC United and other pages following your deletions but I'm having trouble tracking down the precise policy or the consensus that led to it. I am probably not looking in the right places (though the "Club Manual of Style" and accompanying discussion would seem to be the logical residence). It'd be nice to see what the consensus was so that the editors of DC United and various other pages don't run afoul of it again. Thanks! JohnInDC (talk) 14:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and the link. I have to say, though, that the consensus did not seem altogether clear-cut regarding clubs that lack season-by-season pages, like DC United. The information on the DC United page was pretty useful (particularly given an off-season with a lot of activity, like they just had), and well-maintained to boot. DC United is not that big or important a club in the scheme of things, and as passionate as its fans are, that is largely by comparison to other MLS clubs. I doubt that anyone has the energy to create season-by-season pages with the transfer information, meaning that the information is really simply lost, and the page that much the weaker for it. (I would go on to add that, unlike Premiership clubs, MLS news is really not covered in great detail by the media, nor reliably consolidated in any particular place. For that reason a Wikipedia page a much more important source for that kind of information than it likely is for "real" football teams.) Thoughts? JohnInDC (talk) 15:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I decided to throw something onto the DC United discussion page to see if I'm the only one who really notices a difference. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 15:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moves

Thanks for that Gnevin (talk) 16:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chapel Town FC

Can I ask why you deleted this page? Chapel Town are a small football team who are trying to work their way up the pyramid and make an article on them to give them something to look at, the people of Chapel to be proud of and its deleted. A waste of my time —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chapelkid (talk • contribs) 23:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Hi, you know those criteria we worked so hard to define? Do you think we should take them to WP:BIO and ask for them to be formally accepted there, since they are formed by consensus and resolve a few of the endlessly recurring AfD debate problems like the "Anderlecht question" or do you think a better course of action would be to work on the other less controversial areas of notability like clubs, leagues and stadiums to give ourselves an "Armoury" of clear football guidelines rather than notability criteria relating only to football players before we raise it. I would be extremely dissapointed if they remain reduced to "essay" status because they were clearly defined by consensus. English peasant 23:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to Ma'agan Michael

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[edit] Delinking deleted articles

Hello! I have noticed you were "delinking deleted articles" in 2007 FIFA U-17 World Cup. I wanted to point out that all goalscorers there are linked, even if the players' articles do not exist. I reverted your first edit, but then you delinked another player, so I figured you are probably using a non-standard way of doing that (AWB?). In my opinion, it is better to leave the links as they are even of some of players' articles got deleted (they may be recreated in the future, and, again, all players there are linked).  ARTYOM  23:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I hope I get this right. Could you possibly put back the KAIST Internationals page I started yesterday? I intend to keep record of our soccer team progress for good. Our coverage is big, we have exchange students coming in and out every semester and I hope I can use this page as a medium to let the new folks know the history of the team. Me and my friends will do our best to put "valuable information" into the page.

Thank you for your time.

Best, James —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samueljj (talk • contribs) 00:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] KAIST Internationals

Hi there, I hope I get this right. Could you possibly put back the KAIST Internationals page I started yesterday? I intend to keep record of our soccer team progress for good. Our coverage is big, we have exchange students coming in and out every semester and I hope I can use this page as a medium to let the new folks know the history of the team. Me and my friends will do our best to put "valuable information" into the page.

Thank you for your time.

Best, James —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samueljj (talk • contribs) 00:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zomet Institute cleanup

number 580035236.

  • what is "IT equipment"?

Other than that you did good.ColdSnow (talk) 12:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S.

  • If you already touched Zomet's name maybe you should explain about the acronym - Teams of science and torah.
  • the solutions they do are not only for Shabbat but also for the Jewish holiday.ColdSnow (talk) 12:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Garswood United F.C.

You recently deleted a new article on Garswood United F.C. The explanation you gave was A7. However, as some other clubs in the same Division have their own articles, this hardly seems appropriate. Also, there are a great many articles about other clubs throughout England that compete at the same level of football. Please explain your reasoning for deletion. Thanks. Yozzer66 (talk) 19:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your prompt response. In point of fact, Garswood United have played at a higher level than at present (North West Counties League). Yozzer66 (talk) 22:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfB

Hey No.57... just popping round to say thanks for your support at my recent RfB which passed successfully with (133/4/3). I'm determined to keep my good work going here and encourage you to tell me if I've gone astray as a 'crat, an admin or as an editor. Once again I appreciate your support and your efforts in helping me with ITFC bits and pieces! All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 21:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] F.C. Dragons

Why do you keep deleting my article about F.C. Dragons? People in our school would love reading about them. I'm so annoyed about wasting valuable time for writing something to be deleted. I play for F.C. Dragons and I designed the websites. I designed the crests an all that sort of stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJK2008 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Response to your question

Hi Number57. The information was in the article which I think you provided here. By the way, the latest changes you made at Arab citizens of Israel read just a little unclear. Do you think you could review the text and clean it up a bit? Thanks. Tiamuttalk 13:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Yeah, that's the bit I was referring to and the setnence fragment just before it. Please don't hesitate to change my additions. I don't hesitate to change yours. After all, this is a collaborative project and no one's work is sacred. :) Tiamuttalk 13:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Nice source. If you want more information too, I added a bunch of stuff a while back on voting patterns to the article on Abnaa el-Balad that comes from the 2003 elections reports. You could copy and paste it from there to the other articles on elections stuff, as long as you link back to the article you took it from in the edit summary. Cheers. Tiamuttalk 14:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Nice mathematical work there! As WP:TRUTH is not a policy goal, we might simply juxtapose his statements against those of others, letting them contrast against one another per WP:ATT or WP:NPOV. Given though that he is not necessarily an expert source and going into this kind of specificity might lead to WP:UNDUE in this particular article, we might simply remove his statement and replace it with a better source, like the one you have provided. I'm agnostic about it really. So go ahead and do what you think best serves the article. Good work on the new edits by the way! Tiamuttalk 14:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the Arabic and making the other changes. Cheers. Tiamuttalk 22:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kenwyne Jones peer review

I have just made another Peer Review for Kenwyne Jones and would be delighted if you could make some comments. It might be a GA hopefull. Thanks.  Sunderland06  18:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Buist prod

Think you had a rare off-moment with that one! --Dweller (talk) 13:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah. Now there's fair comment for you. What about his cup appearances? --Dweller (talk) 13:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
OK. So, why the prod, not speedy? --Dweller (talk) 13:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sdei Hemed

The moshav is called Sdei Hemed (lit. fields of beauty). There's no such place as Sde Hemed. FYI. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Sassano

Hey there #57, I usually don't edit weekends, so I apologize for the delay. I'm online for only a few rare Sunday evening moments and will answer your question. (I'll be back online in the morning (I'm in the US). You asked on my talk page to explain why I made this decision. Thanks for your interest in my decision. Quite simply, I closed it as keep because the discussion at hand (in that RfA) was to keep the article. There were an equal number of !votes for keeping and deleting, that is true, but the keep !votes, IMHO, outweighed the deletes. First, your nom was a good faith nom and counted as a delete. The second "delete" was a weak delete which didn't factor in my decision. The third, fourth and fifth argued the same points, 2 of them only saying per nom. Following that, there were three keeps that, again IMO, were strong. They noted his playing with a professional team (regardless of pre-season/whatever). The last keep !vote provided links/sources. The keeps appear to outweigh the deletes.
I did not look at a single other AfD for a single other player, and the fact that one was deleted previously for a different player has no bearing on the discussion at hand, as it could just have easily been kept based on participation at the AfD on any given 5 day period. At the very worst, I would have closed this as no consensus, which of course as you know would have defaulted to keep anyway. So you have two options here really.
1. If you strongly disagree with my closing of the debate based on the rationales given and the !voters present, you can bring it to deletiion review. Or,
2. You can wait a month or two and if the player misses the roster, or if the article in that time still does not meet your standards, you can renominate the article.
Cheers, 57. Let me know if you have any further questions! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: your recent message on my talkpage: If I were a "vote counter", as you allude to, it would've been delete, as they outnumbered the keeps by one (if you count the "weak delete". However, I felt that the keep !votes provided stronger rationales, ie, sources to show that LS has played for a professional team, and cited that the WP:ATHLETE guideline doesn't adequately cover MLS players. that being said, I don't have any strong opinion one way or the other as to keeping or deleting this article (or similar articles), which is why I closed it instead of participating in the discussion. I appreciate your civility, and I would be open to a deletion review if you feel it's warranted, or if you feel my closure, based on the discussion at hand, was in error. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anoshirawan

Seems like this account is used for the sole purpose of revert-wars and edit-wars, and is highly likely someone's sock puppet. It needs to be indef blocked, and if you want me to investigate and determine who may be using it as a puppet I can help. After all these warnings given and previous blocks this person still doesn't care about anything.--mCtOOls 12:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Putney Town

Hi

Please can you offer more insight into why you have deleted the page I created on Putney Town?

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnytester (talk • contribs) 17:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Putney Town

Number 57 - please can you point me to where it is stated that a football team on Wiki must have played at step 6 and above? I believe our club are worthy of an entry in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnytester (talk • contribs) 22:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shalom

I had noticed one of your edits in the Hebrew wikipedia, so I checked your user page, and it brough me here. It's so cool to see you're an admin here. So how did you roll into Beersheba? I expect an interesting story :P

Also, I saw you love football. Maybe we can cooperate and write some fine articles in the Hebrew Wikipedia.. I've translated a few articles about footballers like Thierry Henry and Gilberto Silva alone, and I kinda look for some assistance cause it's getting boring :P YemeniteCamel (talk) 09:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please continue to write articles about Israel

Hello Number 57. I'm leaving Wikipedia (for a while, anyway), so I'd like you, in cooperation with Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel, to continue the work I've been doing to translate articles about people, places and roads in Israel from Hebrew to English. List of highways in Israel is almost complete. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 16:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I'll explain why on a user subpage at some point in the near future. It has a lot to do with frustration about the Wikipedia administration. I'm also just a little tired of working so hard on something that isn't really so important to me anymore. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 16:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Imperial Colllege School of Medicine Football Club (ICSMFC)

Dear number 57,

I have read article A7 and I think it highly unfair have you deleted my page!

Perhaps the club it is not important or significant to you, but I have spent 6 years of my life playing twice a week and spending endless hours travelling/training/fundraising. Hundreds of others have parted with equal amounts of time and effort in thier service to the club amd thier efforts deserve recognition! Not only that, but I feel that it deserves it's inclusion as it would provide a useful service for young undergraduates about to start at University to know that the club they may wish to participate in has a wide range of Footballing and social activities, and most importantly a strong grounding in football history (see United Hospitals' Challenge Cup entry - unless you want to delete that one too!!!!!!!!!)

As the page was only just created last week I have't yet learned all ins and outs of formatting, but i thought it was a bloody good go for a first time!!!!!

I await your reply! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluefrancouk (talk • contribs) 11:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ICSMFC con't

"Before nominating an article for speedy deletion, consider whether it could be improved, reduced to a stub, merged or redirected elsewhere or be handled with some other action short of deletion. If this is possible, speedy deletion is probably inappropriate. Contributors sometimes create articles over several edits, so try to avoid deleting a page too soon after its creation if it appears incomplete."

If you'll please consider this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluefrancouk (talk • contribs) 11:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: ICSMFC

My protestation that the ICSMFC competes in the UH Cup as being grounds for inclusion is based on the fact that the actual trophy (1884) is the oldest in the world - you will note I have edited the United Hospitals' Challenge Cup entry. I'm currently not in possession of the Trophy so I cannot validate this at the moment, but I will make efforts to secure confirmation from the current holders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluefrancouk (talk • contribs) 13:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UH Cup

Seriously mate, you have no sense of humour! I'm not in posession of the trophy, and cannot get it so I can validify the entry in your 5 days timeframe. Why can't you just let it be for a while until I am able to get some proof. Christ, there must be thousands of articles on this thing with even less validity than either of these ones! The cup really is from 1884, but it's curretly in the possession of this year's winners (as you will se on the page, not my team) so it's not possible for me to do anything about it at the moment!!!! 15:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

ah, i see you're a non-drinker. explains a lot.Bluefrancouk (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
you've got to be joking!!.... monitoring me now are you??? i was attempting to get the proof!I have no problem with non-drinkers, but it might help you unwind, and perhaps come down from that high chair of yours. i don't quite understand you're reading comment though mr 57, to my mind reading and drinking are not mutually exclusive. although... hang on a moment... perhaps i've struck on something here... maybe not drinking and a lack of sense of humour are somehow correlated. i think i might propose a study to the royal society. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluefrancouk (talk • contribs) 16:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
my apologies. in my frustration i misread that you were directing me to the civility reccommendations(how ironic given i've just had a go at you about reading). i still thik you need to lighten up, but then again maybe so do i! Bluefrancouk (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notice

You've made an error on this AfD - [9].

Currently written: page=Tali Hatuel (2nd nomination) I'm assuming it should bhave written: page=Faris Odeh

My thoughts are that I'm not sure either should be deleted but in general, Faris Odeh sounds more "news"/"iconography" material than Hatuel.

Happy Purim, JaakobouChalk Talk 23:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey 57, I'd like to participate in the AfD on Faris Odeh, but the link is to the article on Tali Hatuel. Do you think you could fix it? Tiamuttalk 00:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

please un do delete of donleigh borman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elomen76 (talk • contribs) 01:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How to be notable

I made an article about F.C. Dragons again, but it was deleted because it was not notable. Dragons have a website, so does that make us notable? See [10] —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJK2008 (talk • contribs) 08:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stephen King (soccer)

I have to take you to task in connecting my RfA with my opinion for this player. Opposing my (probably first ever) invocation of WP:IAR is one thing, but to suggest that I would not be a good administrator just because I happen to disagree with you is tantamount to an assumption of bad faith. Please reconsider this tactic. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Taking you at face value, then, I'd have to say that you have not carefully reviewed Rudget's extensive summary of my editing and communicating practices. If you still feel my opinion at King's article so detrimentally reflects on my abilities and interpretations as to cause deep concern over the possibility of my becoming and administrator, I'll disagree but accept your sound and logical rebuttal.
Regarding Stephen King, I understand fully the letter of the law, as it were, and I sincerely think that if deleted before the 29th, in four days, this individual's article will instantly reappear once the season has started, King having thereafter fufilled the guidelines of WP:FOOTYN. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Again, reviewing my record should prove my reliance on standards. I've flagged for CSD more items than I can count, and usually voice a delete opinion in nearly all AfD bios, unless evidence of notability can be found. I see this AfD as a waste of everyone's time because it won't matter what the decision is, because as soon as he plays he will qualify. Mind you, I'm on the fence here... 17:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

At a current consensus of 7 - 3, I think you are seeing what WP:IAR means. The users expressing their opinions thusfar seem to not care that he technically hasn't played yet. Counterintuitive? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 19:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

hello. You're right about the Stephen King soccer player AfD, even if you're in the minority. If this goes through, and is used as a precedent, it'll be chaos. Nick mallory (talk) 14:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Absolute joke

Don't be ridiculous. Who makes up these stupid rules? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollocaine (talk • contribs) 15:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hebrew transliterations

Hi, please make sure to double-check before changing Hebrew transliterations in articles. I've seen you do this in many articles - the latest case is Yedioth Ahronoth, where you replaced yedi`ot aḥaronot (a correct but awkward transliteration, and you were right to change it) to Yediot Akhranot, which is far from the correct Yedi'ot Aharonot or Ydi'ot Aharonot (יְדִיעוֹת אַחֲרוֹנוֹת). Please consult with another Hebrew-speaking user before radically changing transliterations. Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 15:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually the title is not a correct transliteration. Usually transliterations are added in italics after the local language script (this is standard on Wikipedia). Moreover, translation guides should only be written in IPA. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that het sounds like khaf (I'm assuming that's what you meant). I'll add a pronunciation sound to the article shortly to clarify. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Generally relying on how most Israelis talk is not a good idea to get the correct transliteration for anything. It's true that general near-universal trends should be respected (for example, I don't oppose using the uvular trill for resh, even though it's not correct), but Israelis often completely mispronounce simple Hebrew words, especially as far as accents are concerned. We should try to use the correct versions on Wikipedia, instead of what we hear on the Israeli streets. Het is pronounced correctly not only by Yemenites, but also by a sizable portion of Mizrahi Jews in Israel (and Israeli Arabs for that matter). In any case, I added an audio file to the article. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 16:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning diacritics

Hi, could you take a look here? Dan Pelleg (talk) 06:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dan Stratford

Hi, could you restore Dan Stratford now that he's made his league debut? --Balerion (talk) 01:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

I can has mop?
 Hi Number 57/Archive 2! Thank you for your participation in my RfA (87/3/3).
I truly appreciate the many votes of confidence, and I will exert myself to live up to those expectations.
Even though you did not support me, your comments are nevertheless appreciated, and I
will look to keep your concerns in mind in the future. Thanks for voicing your opinion!
- CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your opinon on this

Greetings, there is a discussion about project tagging on the WP:Palestine page here. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In reference to your PROD of Michael Paton

Brechin are in the Scottish Second Division, the second highest league in Scotland. It is fully professional. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 08:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

D'Oh! But surely being signed to Aberdeen (not an amateur team =P) would assert notability? weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 08:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Very well, can't argue with policy I suppose... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 08:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Heh, thanks. Here you go...
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weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 09:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A footy AFD for you to look at

Would you care to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ireland national schoolboy rugby union team? I am obviously less versed in soccer/football than you, and the AFD could use a clearer invocation of WP:FOOTYN. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 20:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, it's rugby, not football (soccer). Unless, of course, you know anything about that. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 22:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

I have changed back the title of 'Gibraltar general election' you moved to 'Gibraltarian.' Gibraltar is a tricky word as it can be a noun AND an adjective but the term Gibraltarian refers specifically to the people.

We have Gibraltar elections, not Gibraltarian ones, because even the English who live here are allowed to vote :)

Hope that clears up the confusion, as thats the way its referred to on the official paperwork. --Gibnews (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me, but as Gibnews has already said that is not the correct way to use the term Gibraltarian. --Gibmetal 77talk 16:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
That would not be the first or second time the BBC has published erroneous information about Gibraltar ;o) --Gibmetal 77talk 16:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Our elections and referenda are correctly named Gibraltar and not Gibraltarian. This has been explained to you by three Gibraltarian editors, Please desist from altering these pages to inappropriate names. --Gibnews (talk) 17:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moshavot

Hi, I think you got it wrong with moshavot. First of all, there's no 'former Moshavot', as it is very hard to define when a Moshava turns into a city, or in fact to define what exactly is considered a Moshava. Dougman68 got it right - Moshavah is any Jewsish settlement or neighbourhood, originally agricultural, while you changed it to say that a Moshava is an agricultural settlement - this is very different. Actually Moshava in Hebrew means colony/settlement and refers to any settlement which was not intended from the start as any of the other forms (kibbutz, moshav, communal settlement, etc.) Planned cities are also not considered Moshavot. However, it is wrong to create such a category, and I think you should rewrite the article Moshava, which is now completely incorrect. The Hebrew version seems to be fairly accurate, you might want to use that for reference. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually I don't think this category should exist at all. Even the Hebrew version clarifies that the category is only meant for 'Moshavot as an early Zionist form of settlement', which is an inherently OR categorization. I don't know why the Hebrew version keeps it, and don't think we should keep it either. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:HE

Hi, I'd like your input on my final proposal here. If you agree to it, then I think we can convert the page into an official guideline! How cool is that. Anyway, please comment. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sephardim and Oriental Communities

You made some edits there, but would you have some references also?--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 08:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Misinterpretation

I'd like to say that I should have ask you why you mention "authority" before say what I said. After your explanation I understood that your intention wasn't to put yourself above. Anyway, I wouldn't use that introduction because of possible misinterpretations, like mine. Regards. --ClaudioMB (talk) 05:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

<barnstar>

[edit] September 4, 1976

Hi, I saw you deleted that page, which I tagged as a test page. I was wondering, what should I have tagged that as? I looked at the page for quite a while, and I did not know what it would fall under. I considered db-advertising, db-test and db-vandalism. I tagged it as vandalism first, but that didn't seem right, so I changed it to db-test. I really have no idea which was correct. What would you have tagged it as? J.delanoygabsadds 15:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is football more important than medicine?

Why did you delete the Israeli vision research pages? Do you have personal insight into the importance of these organizations to vision research? Or were they just not set up properly / well?

Thanks, PedEye1 (talk) 22:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] deleting flottweg

Hello,

why was my article about flottweg "blatant advertising". Flottweg is one of the three world leeding manufacturer for this products. It meets the german wiki rules for a company page because a renevue of 125 Mio. EUR. Also is the history very interesting an goes back to 1911.

I send this to you because my article was deleted to fast to write this to the community.

--Waxe (talk) 12:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jose Quitongo

This article may be vandalised quite a bit this afternoon I'm afraid, the nonsense revisions are numerous and it has come to the attention of users of a forum in this thread: http://www.altnation.com/forums/junk-talk/134215-jose-quitongos-wikipedia.html AlbaPunk certainly uses that site and though I've already made clear I'm gonna revert any vandalism (I post as Addy) we may need to keep a look out for a day or so, I can see the rubbish returning unfortunatelyCaissa's DeathAngel (talk) 13:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jordan Spence

This just reappeared and should be deleted again as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Spence. The guy who did it has already been blocked for his fixation with adding non-notable footballers, I'll leave the message on his talkpage up to you. Regards English peasant 21:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Emanics page

Dear Number 57

If possible, could you explain what was wrong with the "Emanics" page that we've created yesterday and that you've removed? The page has been entered by the Emanics project leader and by me (research leader). For the text we've used existing text from the Emanics.org website (which is ours).

We feel that a page on Emanics is useful, since it is one of the main EU projects in the area of network and service management.

Please apologize if we made any mistake; we're relatively new to Wikipedia and we may have made mistakes. --Aiko Pras (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TFC Infobox

I was previously in favour of the old format but I have seen the Wiki template that you linked. I am now in favour of the new format. However, just a heads up, the shorts for the home kit should be red instead of white. Lucky Strike (talk) 01:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC) Lckystrke

[edit] Re: Infobox Football club2

I can do. Just need to think of a name for the parameter. Can't use "stadium" or "ground" as those are too similar to the parameter for the actual name of the stadium. – PeeJay 08:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm just trying to think of what the best way to deal with it would be. I think the best way would be with an IF function, but I'm not very good with those, particularly when wikicode is involved. – PeeJay 16:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MLS

As long as every piece of information currently existing in both the MLS and general infoboxes is included in the new one with spelling/terminology variations available when necessary, I support the change. I think we should be able to include things like biggest win/loss and first game if that information is available. I think we also need to develop consensus on how to display honors, if at all in the infobox. Sorry for pulling out before, I just got frustrated by how seemingly useless the changes are. I misunderstood the need for the change to a standard template. I realize now that its so things can be changed universally, but the superficial look to the info can be customized. You've really done a lot of good work trying to build consensus and I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Sorry if I've been a pain in the ass. It just gets really frustrating being an American trying to participate in the football discussions, because everyone is dismissive and patronizing. I think that's why we are protective of the American soccer articles, because generally only Americans care enough to edit them. We're not used to dealing with "outsiders" for lack of a better term, showing up and messing with our stuff. I should have kept my cool better and again I'm sorry. -- Grant.Alpaugh 13:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe you have a winner with that box. Well done. Only change I see that still needs to be made is the American english option for the word "Color". However I suppose that wouldn't apply to Toronto strictly speaking since they're in Canada. Gateman1997 (talk) 14:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Good call. After that is done I believe it's ready for implementation assuming they stop bickering at the Footy discussion. It now mirrors the MLS box and actually has a few added fields like the position the previous season. Gateman1997 (talk) 16:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Axel Orrström

Hi Number57, I have no idea if the Ykkönen (the league of Atlantis FC) is fully professional or not, but I know that some editors deem it not to be, see the Lauri Dalla Valle AfD - Dalla Valle looked to have played with JIPPO in that league but was still deleted. I also didn't realise that the article was previously proposed for deletion. Personally I view Orrström as notable, which is why I created the article, but if you and others disagree, and the article is redeleted, then so be it, and I apolgise for having had to have wasted your time. Kind regards, GiantSnowman (talk) 18:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Further - I have just realised that the Veikkausliiga, Finland's top league, is not fully-pro. From its entry: "Most of the clubs in Veikkausliiga are professional, although some of the smaller clubs are semi-professional. Average attendance has been slightly under 3000." GiantSnowman (talk) 18:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox football club issues

Hi, it seems your recent changes on Template:Infobox Football club caused some issues with a number of articles (e.g., AC Bellinzona, FC Gossau); apparently, your edits are the main cause behind the huge top margin before the article lead. Can you please have a look at this? Thanks in advance, --Angelo (talk) 21:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Looks good my friend. Well done. Gateman1997 (talk) 23:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slaughter Lord

Why did you delete the Slaughter Lord article?

[edit] Recreated NN footballer

Recreation of deleted material: Paul Rodgers (footballer). English peasant 14:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind me chucking stuff like this in your direction, if I had the tools I'd delete them myself, but still, I'm not sure I even want the tools, or whether anyone else would let me have them! All the best English peasant 19:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AFC Wimbledon

Wait, why? It's clearly the improper name of the club and so it shouldn't be the proper name of the article. I don't understand how policy could possibly support keeping something at the incorrect location. -- Grant.Alpaugh 19:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Right but there is clear incongruity between the article and the article's title. The talk page and elsewhere has brought this up. There's no reason not to make the change. -- Grant.Alpaugh 19:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

57, thanks for the note, I was unaware of the rejected RM. Cheers for letting me know. I'm not sure I understand the issue, the club call themselves AFC without the full stops, but, as ever, I will defer to consensus. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltarian sovereignty referendum, 2002

Hi Number 57. A user has requested that I review your recent page move. Image:Voggref02.jpg would seem to be a genuine photo of an official election poster which uses the name Gibraltar Referendum and the user feels this would be a better title for the article. What do you think? --John (talk) 20:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I withdrew the complaint for the time as I noticed that John who I had asked to look at the issue left a message (see above) on your talk page. Whatever the reasons for your moves it does not make any sense and you seem unwilling to discuss the matter OR to look at what the things are actually called. If you were not an admin you would not have been able to move the Gibraltar Referendum to Gibraltarian referendum so its a missuse of your status. Can I suggest you read the article and look at the picture of the notices.

I really don't know why you are so insistent on this when its illogical - the sources all say GIBRALTAR not GIBRALTARIAN.

--Gibnews (talk) 14:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I am explaining this badly and in a confrontational manner - let me put it differently - what would it take for you to change your mind and rename the articles Gibraltar instead of Gibraltarian thats a simple question. --Gibnews (talk)
It seems one that you do not care to answer. --Gibnews (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there any chance you could revisit this decision? It seems to me that Gibnews has a point. If not, maybe we should seek wider input. Thanks for your attention. --John (talk) 05:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
In view of the lack of progress, I have reinstated my complaint on ANI. --Gibnews (talk)
Let me state my objective is not to start a dispute, however renaming these events Gibraltarian is wrong and something I would like to see corrected - I fail to see why you are so insistent about the matter when even the official documents are clear. However can I suggest you read This which explains who was eligible to vote, and extrapolate from that the reason WHY its a Gibraltar event and not a Gibraltarian one. Similar rules apply to general elections. --Gibnews (talk) 16:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Preece

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Preece

Not sure if this person is notable? Is the Conference National a "notable" league? GauchoDude (talk) 01:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nicky Holland

Hi. RE the prod ("Fails WP:BIO#Athletes as has never played in a fully pro league"). Is playing in the Welsh Premier League not good enough for notability? Thanks. Ha! (talk) 02:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MLS stuff

My initial reaction was to say I trust your best judgement, however, take a look at Template:Cleveland Indians. My issue is this: Does every team have their own template for that box? Like is there anything that allows changes to be made to every one like the infobox at the top of the article. Unless there is, I see no reason to standardize, especially because of the major NA sports franchise issue, and the lack of an ability to make standardized changes being a non issue. That was the only thing that got me to agree to the changes to the standard infobox.

As for the edit you were talking about, John Oliver did a bit in a special that debuted that night about Wikipedia and said that that change should be made to the George W. Bush article, so I made it. -- Grant.Alpaugh 12:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

As of right now I wouldn't support changing anything. Maybe changing the order of the boxes so that the wide ones are all on the bottom with the narrow ones being on the top would help create a more appealing visual look, but as for the content and whatnot I think we need to keep in line with both standards. Keep talking to me about it though if you feel this is a big issue. -- Grant.Alpaugh 18:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Erekat article stuck on the wrong version

I think your perspective, which usually opposes mine, is accepted by the anti-Jaakobou crowd and I was wondering if you'd be interested in helping dissolve the conflict on Saeb Erekat - see following diff.
Cheers, JaakobouChalk Talk 15:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

As you may have noticed if you've looked at the talk page on Erekat, I have been the other editor most active recently (with about ten others at various times before me) in trying to limit the material on the Jenin "controversy" to a reasonable volume so that there is a modicum of balance to the page overall. It has never been a significant issue in any mainstream profile of Erekat I've ever seen, and there has never been an explanation as to why it deserves so much prominence or detail here. This is the second time Jaakobou has headed off somewhere looking for help, talking about the "wrong" version and simply demanding the return of "his" version, while giving the impression he is looking for compromise, or a solution to conflict. See here for example, where he employed the same tactic and also - as here - failed to notify me that he was seeking input of this sort into the debate. Anyway, that ramble aside, I'm happy for someone else to pitch in of course, and accept, as I did in the MedCab case, that changes can be made and more material added to the current version. But it really shouldn't go back to the bloated (and as it happens badly written) section that was there before, replete with unecessary sources and footnotes, and reliant as it was on partisan op-eds for its insinuation that Erekat is a liar or deliberately made stuff up; and I would like to be kept in the loop on any discussions, in case I miss them. Enjoy your break. --Nickhh (talk) 20:24, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FYI - arbitration on Israeli Wiki Lobbying

I have filed an arbitration request in regards to the Israeli Wiki Lobbying and attacks uncovered: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Israeli Wiki Lobbying. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 16:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jaakobou RfC

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jaakobou. I'm especially interested in any evidence you may have of Jaakobou compiling tendentious "evidence" against you and shopping it around to various forums, admins, etc. <eleland/talkedits> 20:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral.

Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations.

Thank you again, VanTucky

[edit] Template:National elections

Hi there. About you reverting my changes—I didn't mess up the headings, I merely removed the specific colour so that it would revert to the automatic colour of Template:Navbox generic, per WP:NAV. Also, there was a consensus; on the talk page, it was agreed to standardise with Navbox generic, and the colour of the headings is part of that. If we want the template to be standard and not stick out like a sore thumb, the colour should match the majority of Wikipedia's templates. I don't see any reason to have the headings be an arbitrarily different colour. Mr. Absurd (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, you're right. That's because of the way that the template is set up... it uses the "evenstyle" parameter instead of actual headers. To make it work you'd have to change the 'evenstyle' background to '#CACCFF'. Mr. Absurd (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neil Martin

Hi there,

Mind if I ask where you got the info you added to the Neil Martin page from please? Is there a little gold mine on line somewhere that you are tapping into?

All help much appreciated.

Regards, S

Hi, can you tell me how did you merge the Macedonian First League 2006-07 and Macedonian Premier League 2006-07 articles because I intend to do articles for the previous Macedonian Premier League seasons. Isavevski (talk) 13:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/CAMERA lobbying

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/CAMERA lobbying/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/CAMERA lobbying/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 22:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ahi (political party)

Do you think the article is stub? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonian Prva Liga

The Macedonian football league is called Prva Liga. As the Israeli league article is named Ligat ha'Al, the Croatian is named Prva HNL etc. on Israeli and Croatian language, I moved the Macedonian Premier League to Macedonian Prva Liga as it is on Macedonian language. However, somebody is moving the article to First League of the Republic of Macedonia and he even accused me for vandalism and block from editing. Can you do something on this matter or if you can't please tell me why. Regards, Isavevski (talk) 16:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] see my remarks at Talk:Israeli legislative election, 1977

hi, i saw you have edited that article alot, and thoght i would bring this to your attention --217.132.241.139 (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfB Comments

Responded as requested, thanks! -- Avi (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Your response was fair and reasoned; thanks. I'm bringing this here on your talk page since I think there is no reason to drag this into the RfB, but as a point of history, the MONGO RfA supporters included the following editors who have similar pro-Israeli interests (NTTIAWTT) Leifern (#51), Yahel Guhan (#59), JzG (#61), Briangotts (#75), jossi (#78), Slrubenstein (#85), Shamir1 (#87), Jayjg (#88), Shalom (#93), Humus Sapiens (#109), and 6SJ7 (#116) to name many of the RfA participants. There is nothing wrong with their voting the same way, they share similar interests and this was a widely viewed RfA. My own political point of view is no secret either, and in various articles I will find my views often coinciding with theirs. My point here is, however, an indication that I do make up my own mind, and when I feel something is in the best interests of the project, I am not swayed by peer- or group pressure, but opine in a way that I think is best for the wikipedia project. I intend to continue to do so as an editor and a sysop, and as a 'crat as well, should the community see fit to allow me that flag. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 00:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Have you had the opportunity to review further? Sorry about the note, but the RfB ends tonight. Thank you for your time and your interest in keeping this project running as best as possible. -- Avi (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Anoshirawan

Hi, previously you had warn this person to quit vandalism or something but it is still vandalizing pages [11] that others worked so hard on adding infoboxes and lots of new helful data. Anoshirawan's latest edits are all vandalism, he or she is removing and falsifying information in articles. Also, he or she is a sockpuppet of Tajik and I can prove this. Both Anoshirawan and Tajik live in the same city in Germany if you can check the IP, and both are involved in editing the same articles, with exactly the same POVs in mind on everything. The following are the diffs between Tajik and Anoshirawan:

[12], [13]

You should indef block the user for refusing to quit disruption and vandalism, and many appropiate warnings were previously given to it by you. If you don't feel like doing anything can you at least file a checkuser and you can just copy paste the diffs there so other administrators can cofirm that he/she is a sockpuppet of Tajik and then indef blocked. I'm doing this to teach it that vandalism leads to no where.--Tajikam 17:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


The above is written by a Sockpuppet of Nisarkand.*[24] This link also proves that I am not a sockpuppet of Tajik.--Anoshirawan 02:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] debate on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration

Hi. There's a debate going on there, a spill from Talk:Dolphinarium massacre, which seems to be stuck. If you could take a look, and maybe dispense some advice, it would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Nudve (talk) 17:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] talk:2008 Major League Soccer season, talk:2008 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup qualification

I'd appreciate your input about W-D-L or W-L-T standings in US soccer articles. I'm on the other side of this issue, because we're not dealing with content, we're dealing with style. After we reached consensus to keep the MLS unique content in the infoboxes we deferred to the international order of things (i.e. kit templates at the bottom of the boxes, etc.), so I think we should defer to the international standard for tables as well. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the issue, especially since you did such a great job building consensus in the last debate. Hope all is well. Cheers! -- Grant.Alpaugh 19:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 Major League Soccer season

I noticed that you were in favour of W-L-T. Can you please give the vote indicating that. Kingjeff (talk) 14:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rfb participation thanks

Hello, #57.

I wanted to personally thank you for taking part in the project-wide discussions regarding my candidacy for bureaucratship. After bureaucratic discussion, the bureaucrats decided that there was sufficient significant and varied opposition to my candidacy, and thus no consensus to promote. Although personally disappointed, I both understand and respect their decision, especially in light of historical conservatism the project has had when selecting its bureaucrats. I wanted to especially thank you for engaging me in discourse, and clarifying the issues that gave you the most reservations. In the future, should you have any constructive criticism, please feel free to let me know, as the best way for a person to grow is with the help of others. Once again, thank you for your participation. -- Avi (talk) 20:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WBOSITG's RfA

Hello Number 57, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for your participation in my RfA which was passed with a final tally of 114/10/4. I'm both shocked and honoured to gain so much support from users whom I admire and trust, and I hope I can avoid breaking that backing by being the best administrator I possibly can. I will take on board the opposition's comments and I hope to improve over the coming months and years. Once again, thank you! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 20:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Danish elections

Hi. Intriguingly, removing the <div>s reduced the template's height only very mariginally here (Firefox v2 on a Windows XP PC) but moved the wrapped lines within the template further apart, i.e. making them look less associated with each other. Do you see a significant change in the template's height where you are? Sardanaphalus (talk) 23:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

  • <div>s still present: So they are; sorry to have missed that. I've now removed them, though, in favor of an "oddstyle" parameter that hopefully keeps the wrapped lines closer to each other as above. Flags: I eventually worked out how to move these to the lefthand side of the headings as they then sit next to their countries' names. You sure that doesn't make sense? Perhaps I should post a message asking for more opinions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referenda, or might there be a better place? Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Removing other <div>s: Will do, a little later. I should be able to get AWB to find and amend them all, but sorry in advance if I miss any. Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conor Hourihane

HI, please review the Conor Hourihane page you have put up for deletion, he has played in a nationally recognised Cup competition for a professional organisation which is listed on their website[25] and represented his country in a Internationally recognised Championship competition which is also listed on their website[26]

The reason states he 'has never played in a fully professional league' yet if you read the rule you have put the article up for deletion because of WP:BIO#Athletes, it states that "Exceptions to this would be players in professional developmental leagues, such as minor league baseball."

Does the fact he is signed to professional club playing in the Under 18 Premier league, the FA Youth cup and the UEFA under 17 Championship all of which are under the sanctioning of Professional sporting bodies not warrant an exception?

Thanks

Krsrd (talk) 23:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting Palwin Wines

Hello,

I think that the A7 code for this article may be inappropriate. I belive that there is a social impact of Palwin Wines to the Jewish community in the United Kingdom which was not well represented in the article. I am willing to expand the article to contain this information.

Thanks for your conisderation

--Ignition00 (talk) 15:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)