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[edit] Barnstar

		The Barnstar of National Merit
		For you excellent work on Indonesia articles in recent months, and particularly for your initiative taking sorting out the presentation and organisation of the Indonesian History series. Keep it up - remember, millions can see your work. — Merbabu 14:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Saya setuju lagi SatuSuro 14:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC

[edit] Picture of the Week

A picture that you uploaded entitled Monas flags 1a.JPG has been selected as Picture of the Week on the Portal Indonesia for the Week 38, 2007. Thank you for your contribution to promote images of Indonesia.

— Indon (reply) — 09:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biography Barnstar

		The Biography Barnstar
		For your hard work of creating new and already-in-high-quality biography articles of Indonesian revolutionary heroes: Soeprapto, Sutoyo Siswomiharjo, D.I. Panjaitan, M. T. Haryono, S. Parman and Ahmad Yani which had been missed in years in Wikipedia, not including other bio-article: Gatot Soebroto. Keep up the good work! — Indon (reply) — 08:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Seconded by me! Noice work. --Merbabu 11:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

That's the curse of wikiediting. Merbabu once shouted that wikipedia is too big. Yes, the more you dig, the more holes you find. ;-) Actually, if there's a good communist-history barnstar, I'd like to give it to you, but I'm afraid of labeling you as such. — Indon (reply) — 13:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK: Gatot Soebroto

On 21 October 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gatot Soebroto, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

		The DYK Medal
		Awarded by this editor for a Did You Know contribution that appeared on the main page, a hook that is well written, referenced, and displays irony, fact related to a distinguishing characteristic of the subject of the article, or other notable property. AwardBot 17:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fauzi Bowo

About religion & school, it's common (in my time also) that non-christian students study at a christian school and vice-versa. They are not actually a strict religious school, compared to pesantren, but just an ordinary private school run by some religious organization. The sentence "Despite being muslim, he enrolled in a catholic school" therefore is loaded one. The school itself is run by a catholic organization but it does not similar with the interpretation of catholic institutions in western countries. Hope that clears up. — Indon (reply) — 10:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my page. --Nlu (talk) 17:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terminology

Hi; "template" would be correct; "tag" would be acceptable. It is not a "thingy"!!! --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 19:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. --Nlu (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Rollback

There you go, you now have rollback.   jj137 ^♠ 20:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jakarta

oops - a shame though. A balanced, comprehensive, and referenced economy section would be good though. --Merbabu (talk) 13:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elections

No worries. You've done excellent work creating the articles - I don't think many other Asian countries (if any at all) have a full set. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

PS Were there ever any elections (even if limited to certain stratas of society) during the colonial period? I don't know if Indonesia had a territorial assembly like some British colonies. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks very much for the information. Perhaps something to that effect could be added to the Elections in Indonesia article. пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help...

Hi David

I found this article Sumenep Trunojoyo Airport. I think it is a hoax created by a known hoax creator. from google. Can you find any non-internet info on it in Jakarta? Ring one of the airlines? I'm sure it's a hox, but it's on google. --Merbabu (talk) 12:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

...and another issue you might like to contribute to - asking you is kinda full circle (ie, Transition to the New Order). here. --Merbabu (talk) 13:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yup it is a good one - would go with that SatuSuro 13:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speaking of maps

hmm - i uploaded it to commons, but am surprised I didn't put into any articles. I will do so now. One for you to categorise? lol --Merbabu (talk) 13:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

oh sorry, i used it on Java - clearly I'm still up past my productive editing time tonight. Merbabu (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

How cruel! It's taken me longer to jump through all the hoops to get the page I created deleted than it did to make it in the first place. That'll teach me! Davidelit (talk) 13:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 30 September Movement

I referenced your latest edit because 1) I think it's important that a potentially contentious point is cited and 2) I couldn't resist the challenge :-) By the way, have you read Roosa's book. I would recommend doing so. Davidelit (talk) 16:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

(1) Indeed. (2) See your friendly doktor. Roosa? No - would be nice though. I'm reading "Suharto's Indonesia" (1980) by McDonald now - just for background. --Merbabu (talk) 03:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

PS, you should consider archiving your talk page. I do my monthly. If you want instruction for the first time, just tell me from what month and I will put it all into one archive, then you can follow my steps the next time. --Merbabu (talk) 03:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Lol at Friend - coincidently I have it opened at page 104 re Suharto. I also used it a fair bit in Indonesian National Revolution. What are your concerns re Friend, apart from the laugh at p. 196? Note, the candle on the table obstructing view of the TV, while there is clearly electricity on - also, the women on the left with her feet up. lol --Merbabu (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

PS, Maybe it's not Jakarta but a "rumah" Orang Laut in king tide. --Merbabu (talk) 05:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesia TV stations

Geting all the dreamy situations - references to Indonesia wikipedia as a reference, and all the rest - will be trying to put something on the main WP Indonesia noticeboard about guidelines and hunting down all the arts that need cleaning up - what do you think? SatuSuro 09:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia#Lists_in_Indonesia_Project - your comments would be appreciated - thanks SatuSuro 11:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Petisi 50

Awesome start!!! Wow. Thanks for getting that off the ground in a big way. I've run low on time for WP, but have long felt that the Petisi 50 was a gaping absence from WP. GREAT beginning!! I'll "watch" the page and try to find time to plug in. Way to go, Davidelit! Smilo Don (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lubang

Looking at your recent edits - I went over and pulled the gens out of the text and into my favourite aspect of articles - to look like a list :) SatuSuro 11:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Heaven's Army

Thank you for issuing me with the problem but since the photos were made by an airforce official shouldn't there be a tamplate or licence for that i saw that somewhere...regardsHeaven's Army (talk) 07:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh i see i get u now....so now wat should i take them down or....???? --Heaven's Army (talk) 09:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

It is ashame to see them go but i agree you have to follow the law but then again laws are meant to be broken :P

Hey i'm just asking. Can i put up photos from the Indonesian air force website since u know its government and all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 09:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

damn it kk thought i could coz u know its a governemnt website and all...ah screw it next time i got to indo ill take the photos my self lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 10:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

ok one more question lol sorry, anyways wat if the website has no copyright at the bottom am i free to use it?--Heaven's Army (talk) 12:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey again, i was thinking of this site http://www.jedsite.info/afv/bravo/btr-40_series/btr40-id/btr40id.html which isn't government but it has no copyright could i use the pics and lol thank u for ur comment--Heaven's Army (talk) 05:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, i see it yep thanks again--Heaven's Army (talk) 05:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey i'm sorry i have to keep going to u for help lol ur probably pissed, ma'af, lol anyways i just wanna ask are we allowed to upload any file from flickr?--Heaven's Army (talk) 11:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yea thats where i saw it in Commons, now we're in business that we can upload pics from there and thnx btw for all ur support lol ususally ill ask SatuSuro but his out fo a while--Heaven's Army (talk) 03:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You're photo was quite helpful indeed :D BTW i wanted to ask about the airforce museum in jogja. i know its near the airport but where last time i went there i saw no museums lol maybe its just me. thanks. regardsHeaven's Army (talk) 05:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm interesting next to the airport and i have never seen it lol how weird....and 1 o-clock is quite early especially be'coz it takes me about an hour and a bit to go to the airport from where i live....still i wanna see it. thanks again....oh and btw are u an aussie or an indo coz u confuse me lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heaven's Army (talk • contribs) 07:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Indonesian provinces

OK, thanks. Meursault2004 (talk) 22:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Jakarta do's and undo's...

I really know how it feels like.....from experience! :) No probs. Have done the same sometimes.... Prashanthns (talk) 10:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jakarta

Hi Davidelit - sorry, I just reverted your most recent edit to this article as "vandalism", which I now see it's not - your edit had been to revert the most recent change by an anon vandal. Unfortunately in eliminating his witty and charming "all your base are belong to us" you reinstated an earlier piece of vandalism (the Monty Python quote in the infobox). I've got rid of both now (and reinstated the correct motto that the vandal had deleted) - sorry for the unintended slur against you in the edit summary! Gonzonoir (talk) 14:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GS30...

I might be doing some adjusting to this article. Please keep an eye on it for me and change as you need. Essentially, I'm trimming a bit from Transition to the New Order and didn't want to lose anything. Although it has a longish list of refs, most isn't in-line cited. So, if I place anything in GS30 with a cite tag, feel free to cite it or delete it. cheers.

PS, love all the photos - more please. :-) --Merbabu (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Further, there are some [citation needed] tags in Transition to the New Order. Do you have that info at hand? --Merbabu (talk) 14:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it would be good to keep you as free as possible to do your normal edits. DOn't get involved in the issue - rather, I will put some cite tags in and direct you specifically to them. Do what you can. :-) --Merbabu (talk) 03:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your good work - mudah mudahan hari libur tak terlalu meganggu'ed by WP! - Btw I was having a diff over whether dutch actually influenced grammar (rather than vocab) over at the dutch empire arts this am - I would be very interested from your perspective as to whether it was even the slightest possibility that actual grammar - ie sentence structure and internal grammatic logic - might have been influenced by the interfering londho!? I argue from my experience of fieldwork 11 years ago that such a claim is - not poss - but from your perspective - am i wrong? If you go in Yogya to the DagAdu shop in Malioboro mall they play furiously on puns between dutch english javanese of all levels and indonesian - my feeling that such wordplay is with vocab and not specific grammatic structure - any comment would be appreciated - on wiki or off _ cheers SatuSuro 04:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you I owe you a carton of bintang (tehbotol maybe?) for an answer like that - hey if you are ever in Oz - let me know I'll follow up on that as certain as krakatoa will rise again. Ok the honorifics out of the way - exactly as you put it - very important that the WP Indonesia and th other WP are not misinformed by useless items that argue otherwise - hey enjoy your day - thanks SatuSuro 05:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

OK you are on - if you ever come to perth (or me to Jakarta - I have a longstanding issue with LIPI but about that off line) ill make sure we have a meetup with some fellow perth eds - some of the finest in oz of course :) as for jalan kurang selamat - hati hati dan kalau mau berenang (!) ke oz - we have spare room here :( SatuSuro 05:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

My shout first three rounds at least [1] more good sense prevails - SatuSuro 09:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Using JAWS

I've gone ahead and removed that link from the page. I didn't put it there originally ... I agree that it's quite a strange link to have in a page of general help for *all* editors. Graham87 07:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] jakarta riot may 1998

yes, my english are poor but not mean my writer are false than your caould erase like that more right to me if you help me repair my articel okay.Daimond (talk) 08:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

thank you to advice me sometimes i forgot that in wikipedia you can not repot the original situation with put the qoute from other resorces.Daimond (talk) 09:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hmmm

Expletives ommitted - one wonders - the airline thingo is fraught with possible hoax/fraud issues for a start - and the enthusiasm for lists which i noticed while living in yogya in an www free world in the early 90's suggest to me that the english challenged members of the wp indonesia indonesia will be thrilled and attracted to them like - well the metaphors are deleted as well - maybe there should be a separate project wp indonesia lists - it would probably be the largest wp on wikipedia (did i type all this?) oh boy lest i offend any further any later reader of this - it is true they love em - probably need to put a cap on the size and the number - merbabu will be apopplectic when he reads this - oh well out with the flak jacket and the teflon head gear nd the ear plugs - and change user name soon maybe :| SatuSuro 10:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kerajaan belanda

Hey there. There's debate about this map at Talk:Dutch Empire. While I suspect it is not totally inaccurate, it does look sloppy. Do you have any maps about such expansion of the Dutch territories in Indonesia? cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 14:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The list

I'd rather exlain the issue of why and how it is a project mechanism off wiki if poss - thanks SatuSuro 11:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Am in process of sending email SatuSuro 11:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sri Sultan

Is the old problem of honorifics which good javanese like so muchy - would you agree to a change to the name of article to plain old HB for encyclopediac purposes? (we dont have sir or the hon in front of oz names - why do the javanese get away with their hangups?) - your creating the divert for HB' IXs various spellings - I would have thought a move to plain old HB would be much better - and leave the honorifics to within the article SatuSuro 08:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC) Fine - may try in a day or so - no realy big deal but its the creep - as things like that slip in (the HB's of earlier numbers have no such appelations in art titles) and the world is created in the eyes of the eds who put it it - and ignore wp:mos convetions. must tell you off wiki someday my relationship with Nyi Loro Kidul on that one and a magnificent piece of theatre with knowledgable javanese academics and my big mouth oz style - but not here - and later - cheers SatuSuro 08:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

To survive the country that long dont you get a medal or a long letter from immigrasi? SatuSuro 09:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Photos - do you have a facebook/myspace presence (why i woulndt know why but) - one of my inlaws has tried to convince me as a way to share piccies - I am probably beginning to scan all my 85-96 indonesian photos into my computer in about 2 weeks - thought id like to share some easily - cheers SatuSuro 12:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Box

Put reason for removal - which I agree with viz issues that arise at broad titles for articles and small components are pulled out to try to fit things. not on. thanks SatuSuro 08:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC) Hope I got it right :| SatuSuro 09:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Afd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Biggest_Indonesian_Philanthropists SatuSuro 06:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: 203.20.245.254

If you notice active vandalism from the IP, please report it to WP:AIV. It is a school IP and was just recently unblocked, so continued vandalism from it will result in a longer block. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Support

Your reversion was correct - well done - if you need any literal or moral support on that one you will get it! Eventually (sabar) the message will get through - cheers SatuSuro 10:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Admitting

To owning books like that is tantamount to us now expecting informative cited articles that even WP ID does not have :) SatuSuro 13:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe you misunderstood? "Awakening"

Hmmm. Strange remark on the Indon National Awakening page. Did you not read thru the comments? There's a big diff between a page titled Renville Agreement and one titled an Awakening. "Renville Agreement" is something any party can use; ditto for Yalta or the Russian Revolution or what have you. An "Awakening" is itself the biased word applied to a very complex period of history. Surely you see the difference. And moreover, it's not a term which all people use--e.g. "The Renaissance" is a hugely ideological and problematic term, but we all know it, use it, and are (probably) stuck with it. "Indonesian Natinoal Awakening" has no such cache, reification, or convenience. Instead it purges and sculps a massive historical swath according to a very narrow nationalist theme. As I said before, this cultivation of "Indonesia," "Indonesians," and so forth is arguably the most important aspect of the history. But "awakening" is a very dicey term to use. I hope that makes more sense. Sorry if I didn't make my case more clearly before. Best, Smilo Don (talk) 04:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quack quack

You have an email SatuSuro 02:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)