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[edit] Cheese and Brassens

The fromage box is from the French Wikipedia. I "substed" it so I could change it to link to the English cheese page instead of the French cheese portal. Yes, the French have a whole portal about cheese! The substing created an alarming amount of code, which you're welcome to copy, but I'm sure there's a much simpler way to recreate it. I hope that helps.

P.S. I see your French is better than mine--if you feel like it, check out the translation of George Brassens (the one linked to in the translation box, not the current article). I've been slowly working on it. I'm mostly trying to get it wikified, but I'm sure the syntax is weird in a few places. My best friend used to live in Sète, or I never would have heard of him... Katr67 01:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

On the Brassens article, I'd like to help, but I'm not sure how soon I can. For now I'll print out the working English translation and go read it over a cup of coffee. Thanks for the cheese tip! -Eric ^(talk) 14:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a fairly recent copy of Word? It would be easiest for me to post my changes in a Word doc set to track changes. I'm watching this page. -Eric ^(talk) 17:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I did some revision of the working draft. I'm going to assume you have Word and am posting it here link deleted by Katr67 (can you please delete this link after you get the doc?--thanks). I put translation notes at the top of the Word doc. The track changes function in Word lets you accept/reject changes as you read (right-click for options). Let me know if you're not familiar with this tool or don't have Word. -Eric ^(talk) 20:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. I love track changes. Sign up as one of the proofreaders of that article if you want. BTW, I believe Wikipedia style is to always go with British style when it comes to punctuation with quotations, and I would tend to use British English anyway on a French translation because they use British English there. At least my friend who's a translator does, but she deals with more Brits than Americans. Katr67 20:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry if I was out of line creating the new section! I'll take down the doc unless you want me to leave it up. -Eric ^(talk) 20:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can take it down. No worries about the section, I was about to create one when I experienced the edit conflict with you and accidentally left both versions up. All better now. Katr67 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean now--I thought you had accidentally deleted some stuff. But yeah, I'd prefer to maintain the threads on my talk page myself. Thanks. Katr67 20:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that I was in the edit conflict, but I get it now. I'll be gone to work all week (and should not be on WP then!) but let me know if you have a question about the translation and I'll work it into a coffee break... -Eric ^(talk) 20:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a couple more pages to go on 2nd half of Brassens. -Eric ^(talk) 22:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi- I finished revising Brassens, but can't poke through the firewall at work to upload it. I'll do that Friday night. -Eric ^(talk) 22:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Here it is--hope it helps! Let me know if you have any questions. -Eric ^(talk) 13:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr- Can you let me know when you've got the doc? I'll watch here--thanks. -Eric ^(talk) 13:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it! Sorry, you can take it down now. Skimming, I can see you cleared up some really weird things--"police killing women"? As far as double spaces, they don't make a difference to the wiki software, so though I'm a single space gal myself, I try to resist fixing too many of them. Thanks again! I should be working on a real world volunteer editing gig right now, so it may be a little while until I am able to incorporate your changes. I'll let you know if I have any questions. I may see if my friend is available to help with some of the lyrics as well. Katr67 14:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, and let me know if you need more help with the lyrics--I have a professor friendwho is a Brassens fan as I recall, and I'll bet he'd be happy to help. -Eric ^(talk) 15:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr- Did everyone like the proofread of the Brassens article? Should we update it to 100%? Please let me know what's up, okay? Thanks. -Eric ^(talk) 14:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel)

Since I believe you did some work on the novel and being from Eugene I'm sure you read it, is it really based on the prison in Pendleton as it says at the beginning of the plot summary? Kesey worked at an asylum in CA, and I recall the novel set somewhere in the valley. So do you think this might be some Eastern Oregon urban legend, or is there truth to the matter? Thanks. Aboutmovies 23:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hrm. I've always heard it was based on the Oregon State Hospital. (And yes, people think Kesey actually worked there, but no, it was my mom who did for a few months. She has good stories.) I've never heard the Eastern Oregon State Hospital mentioned. I didn't know EOSH turned into a prison, I'll have to check, sometimes people think they're the same thing. (And probably metaphorically speaking they're sometimes right)... I don't believe it says where it is in the novel except Oregon, though they do go to the coast (in the movie it was Depoe Bay) so I'd assume in the valley. I'll see if I can find my copy when I get home. Katr67 23:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That and they talk about people coming down from Portland (hookers and such), which I know people are bad with geography, but that would seem odd to talk about people coming down to Pendleton from Portland. And for the coast trip they cross the Siuslaw River, which seems a bit south to go if coming from Pendleton as well. Aboutmovies 23:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] West Union

Absolutely no hurry, but when you have a chance could you check OGN to see how accurate this info is. West Union accounts for three redlinks at the Hillsboro article, so sometime before the end of the year I'll put something together. Thanks. Aboutmovies 07:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's accurate. OGN doesn't mention them being the first white folks, and has a better quotation about the name. I can make a stub as soon as I take care of Cave Junction. Scottsburg, Oregon showed up overnight, by the way. Katr67 14:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've got a few other sources for West Union too. That Scottsburg article is one of the sadest stubs I've seen. Aboutmovies 17:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dinos and size

I took a look at the dino people, and the article size list would be interesting. I don't know how much it would help in the FA drive, but it wouldn't hurt. I think the reason the dino WP is successful with the FA process is it appears they work together on prepping the articles, which likely means more participation at the FA review point. I think the OSC failed only due to lack of support, not because it wasn't quality. After the first nom I thought the WPOR problem was cooperation, which is why I started the COTW, so we'll see how it goes now with the 2nd nomination. If that doesn't get the job done, then I don't know what will. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into a "I like it this way better" versus "this part doesn't meet the MOS," which is what it is supposed to be about, otherwise it will never pass since everyone has a their own style preferences. At least that's my two cents. So, how would we get a list by article size? Aboutmovies 18:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: CDPs

(discussion moved to Category talk:Census-designated places in Oregon—mostly for a lasting visible record. —EncMstr 07:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, EM. Katr67 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

One more thing sortof on this subject: since you've done at least some work with the county templates, would you be willing to create templates for Clatsop and Columbia Counties? I've placed templates for twenty counties, and the other fourteen have templates that I'm looking to place. Nyttend 13:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

There aren't any yet? I counted 34, how many counties do we have anyway? Where did they go? One person did a couple then somebody else did the rest in a couple big pushes... I need coffee... And no, the only thing I did was change the color to match the first ones made. Someone had started making them bright yellow like California's... Katr67 15:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm better now. I know we have 36 counties, and when I went through adding WP:ORE tags to all of the ones Floydspinky71 created, I could swear he had finished making all of them. Why don't you ask him first? You see, last night I tried to make the tinest table showing the official UO colors, and even that was aggravating. I gotta stick with what I know... Ah but I see he hasn't edited for a few days. Finals probably. Maybe I can work on it tonight, today won't be good, the screaming from my cubicle would give me away. Katr67 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Aha, sorry, you spoke about the templates so without looking at their history I assumed that you had produced them. I myself don't know much about template syntax; just take one that still exists and replace the current lines with the new ones, say replace all instances of "Clackamas County" with "Columbia County", "Oregon City" with the name of the county seat, and so on. That's all I do, and I know it works for me. By the way, about Mount Hood Village/Villages at Mount Hood: since it's now an official governmental body, at least to some extent, is there any reason to keep it at the current title? To me it would seem more sensible to call the entire article "Villages at Mount Hood, Oregon". Nyttend 21:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, someone had made one or two that matched the {{Oregon}} template, then Floyds came along and started doing them in yellow like California's, so I put a stop to that, that's about I all I did. I'm rather indifferent to templates, but I try to keep them herded together when they arrive. I know I could copy and paste, I'll see how I feel about getting into the busywork zone tonight. Right now I have a raging headache... Re:Villages: I'm not convinced merging the two Mount Hood Whatever articles was a good idea, (the same issues with what the boundaries are--see the talk page), but the page rename makes sense, especially since I imagine at the next census the CDP "Mount Hood Village" would go away? Have you seen any other former CDP articles? (pretty unlikely since Wiki has only been around since 2002 or so, but wait, I guess there's a whole category about them: Category:Former census-designated places) How was this handled? The only other one I can think of is Santa Clara, Eugene, Oregon, which is now considered a neighborhood of Eugene, so very little needed to be said about its CDP status. BTW, we should discuss the whole ghost town thing--I started another topic at the CDP talk page. Katr67 21:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minoru Yasui

This is my next GA project. When you have a chance could you look trough and tag anything needing citations, note anywhere where info seems to be needed/expand/explained. Working on this and the related articles has made it difficult to see the trees through the forest and remember what I wrote where and where I found that info. Thanks. No hurry, it will not be until after finals that I nom at GA. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I've finished sourcing everything, I think, so if you could look through it and prep it for GA it would be appreciated. Aboutmovies (talk) 12:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I may not get to it until Monday, I've got holiday stuff to attend to and there's a disturbance in the force around here... Katr67 (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I couldn't resist taking a peek... OK, I know you didn't write it, but why does the infobox say "Resting place"? I thought we didn't use euphemisms? Shouldn't it be "Burial place" or "Buried" or "Interred at" or ??? "Religious stance" strikes me as odd as well. Why not just "religion"? Katr67 (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess not everyone is buried, but it still seems odd... Katr67 (talk) 19:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stumptown Coffee - your suggestion

Hello, I'm relatively new to wikipedia and I tried updating Stumptown Coffee Roasters entry to bring it in line with the guidelines, but user: Thamusemeantfan, deleted all of my edits without adding to the discussion page. What is the best way to deal with this in your opinion? Squitringo1234 (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been kind of watching that article and it's sort of a train wreck, isn't it? I've been avoiding it for that reason. Let me take a look and get back to you. Katr67 (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. As I've said, I'm not entirely sure of the protocol for this type of situation. I'm fine if there is more info on that page (though I don't think it deserves anymore), but its definitely not satisfactory the way it is now. Squitringo1234 (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Any thoughts about Stumptown? Squitringo1234 (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I seem to have a short attention span these days. My thoughts? Yes that article is indeed a train-wreck. :) Did you hear back from the other editor? If you'd like to try to update the article, I'll back you up. There's no need for sentences like "The coffee is remarkable for the strength and thickness of its 'standard' brew, probably owing to a policy of serving French pressed coffee for its standard brew." In fact, I'll go take that out right now. Katr67 (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I've attempted to discuss with the editors on their talk page, but they have not responded. Squitringo1234 (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editing articles talk pages question

Since the talk page for each article is for discussing improvements to the article is it okay for editors to remove comments and sections that are not discussing improvements to the article?

For example The Amazing Race 12 talk page has comments about Mirna's predictions about the race, which is something that belongs on a fan website not on the talk page. I would like to remove sections that are not discussing improvements, is that okay or should I just leave it alone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davehi1 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Matthew Deady

OK, I've expanded the crap out of this to probably FA depth, so could you please copy edit it/make sure everything has been integrated/makes sense for GA? Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Asa Finley

Agreed children not necessary, but wanted add more to list of Finley's. For example, William Asa Finley does not have an article at this time and he was Asa Finley's Grandson. I wanted to tie all of these together somehow to show their historical contributions and show they are all related as well. Asa Finley, William Asa Finley, William L. Finley, and Wm. Earl Finley are all related. Can you help me do that..., signed FinleyFamilyMember —Preceding unsigned comment added by FinleyFamilyMember (talk • contribs) 03:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kate Wilhelm Article

Hello! I'm a fan of Kate Wilhelm's work and I've tried to make some improvements to this article. After checking the article's history and looking up the contributors I discovered that you're a specialist in matters Oregonian. Perhaps you have access to some sources that could add in some details that are out of my reach, such as the details (in precis) of her first marriage and names/birthdates of her children? I'd also like to add a small biographical outline if possible; education, other employment, etc. Can you help? (Please reply on this page.) Retarius | Talk 05:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] KQIV (defunct) Revision

I noticed you placed:

"This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." on the article: KQIV (defunct). I wrote the original and expanded it with the help of EncMstr. When you have a moment, would you please visit the talk page: Talk:KQIV (defunct) and let me know what improvements you would like to see? Thanks! Millerjoel (talk) 17:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kettle Foods

hello, do I need to send you documents from my years at Kettle Foods? And if I need to send you more information I will get it for you. Thanks Michael Slocum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.142.183 (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Even if you send me documents (and I'm not interested in seeing them, no), it's still original research. Get your story published in a third-party source and then we'll be in business. Katr67 (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks! and question - AND a leetle bug I spotted

Thanks: for putting the cake on User_talk:Peteforsyth! I have a certain Vested Interest....

Question: I noticed Oy vey on your user page. Is "what you want to do about it" to gradually poke through and correct all the "reigns" that should be "reins"? This is something I could do a little chipping away at too, if you like - just let me know if you do any more than make the correction (and how you like to "describe" it). Or if there's anything else special I should know about the mini-project. (I tried look up Wikignome but you see what I found!)

Bug: I've tried several times to add this comment by clicking on your "Leave me a message here" in the box at the top of your page - but when I do, then when I try to "Save page" it tells me I am not logged in! The first time it did this I logged in again, then came here very carefully (being sure each new move showed me as "Logged in"), and....it happened again! Several times. Ah, Bugland....

Best, —Martha (talk) 23:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Martha! I was chipping away at it quite some time ago, but I got bored. There are so very many of them. I have a more thorough explanation here. As I recall, I was using AWB and just changing the one word, though AWB makes other changes automatically. I think I just summarized it as reigns-->reins. WikiGnoming is pretty fun with AWB if you haven't tried it. You just need to ask for permission. Hmm. I wasn't aware of the bug, since I don't usually start topics on my own page. I'll have to check that out. I haven't updated the code on that box in a long time, and I think they changed the little "+" that used to be at the top of the page, which is what I based it on... Thanks for caring about homonyms! Katr67 (talk) 23:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I tested it on a PC and Explorer and I didn't have that problem, both with and without "remember me" checked when I was logged in. What are you using? Katr67 (talk) 23:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi again (I'm in a very busy time so didn't catch your replies - thanks though) - I just tried clicking the "here" thing again, before doing it. (Just to be sure I hadn't made it up!) I'm using a PC (with Windows XP and Firefox) and sure enough, when I click on "here", the top of the page no longer has my user stuff, and shows "Log in or create and account". I do NOT have "remember me" checked, and I used the "secure login".

On the Gnome and homonym stuff - maybe I'm just exhausted by the weekend (I'm certainly that!) but I don't think I want to get into it in a major way at this point. Working from (or generating and then working from) a search list is something I could imagine doing a little of, but signing up and learning how to use a new tool....makes all those things I really Should Be Doing look pretty attractive! But maybe someday. Best, Martha (talk) 01:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] feedback notice and facts

I have found repeated inaccuracies and holes in the area of Pacific Northwest Insects. I am not a professional in the field but I am a woodsman and a 6th generation 52 year old resident of the Puget Sound area. I know what Crane Fly is and how large they become. The article is obviously in error. When I mentioned the size of these pests listed to household members etc it was greeted with great amusement. You may know Oregon, but you certainly have not spent a summer on Puget Sound it you have not encountered Crane Flies approaching the size of Dragon Flies. The creepy s---ts appeared here in the early 70's and have been growing in size each year from much the size of a large mosquitos to the Battlecruisers we have today. Frankly, I do not care if Wiki looks like an ass. So please leave the article as I found it. It'll make a fun topic when discussing your organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.16.56 (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this must be ancient history, I don't remember the edit you're talking about, so I'll have to go look at the edit history. Meanwhile, see my FAQ re: "You may know Oregon, but....". Also, I spent six summers on Puget Sound. Yay for us. But original research doesn't belong on Wikipedia. As for "please leave the article as I found it, you might also read WP:OWN. Katr67 (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, 8 days ago is ancient history for me :) So, I see the problem with your edits. You weren't signed in, and you didn't provide an edit summary or a citation to a reliable source for the increase in number. Anonymous vandals do subtle vandalism like changing a couple numbers all the time and the crane fly article is the target of a great deal of vandalism. I'll post a welcome template on your page so you can learn more about how Wikipedia works and that will give instructions on how to sign up for an account, if you choose. I agree the muthas are creepy, but unless you can find a citation for the size increase, your observations are what is classified as original research. I know that WSU and the State of Washington have excellent entomologists, and if there were crane flies the size of B-52 bombers, they would love to hear about it, so perhaps you could contact someone in one of those agencies who could help you find the appropriate references. I hope that helps! Further discussion about crane flies should go on the crane fly talk page. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 16:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Hatfield

I believe I am done with the expansion for the former gov/sen. Could you kindly copy edit it, as I'm thinking its broad enough/cited enough for FA now. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I did a quick fix, running it through the spelling/grammar checker on Word, not sure when I'll get around to a closer look. Be sure to heed my new disclaimer in my FAQ! Slackerly yours, Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] plagiarism in another language

Hi, please tell me what the rules are about this? I have discovered a german author is taking my website work and translating it and entering it on the german wikipedia. Is there anything I can do? ThanksKwonder (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you still watching this? I'm not sure if this is plagiarism or not, maybe ask at the Village Pump and see if they know where to ask to find someone who can rewrite the German so that it's not a direct copy? Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

My understanding (as a sometimes-translator) is that it is not copyirght infringement to translate something. Everything centers on the use of the material made. Translations often become new creations. Since wikipedia is supposed to work on a different principle afaik, cooperation, maybe you should contact the wiki translator directly? If it IS a copyright issue, i.e., your original material (I can't tell from the post), tell the translator to knock it off post-haste. It probably falls under plagarism (although wikipedia doesn't seem to enforce this policy very stringently, at least not until it is brought to someone's attention). Hypatea (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Valerie Day

Heh, you are using one of my favorite tactics. Anyway, the guy was being pointy. I hadn't seen the article on the Heathman before, but then there are 2.3 million articles in Wikipedia now, & I'm sure I haven't even glanced at 90% of them. I don't have any source for that article, but my librarian friend gave me a book on the Multnomah County Library that I've been meaning to mine for Wikipedia -- drop me a line when it becomes a COTW, & I'll put out one of my round tuits. In the same line, I've long been tempted to write an article on a local Portland businessman by the name of Tom Petersen -- known 20 years ago for his commercials, & likely passable on the notability test because he has a few cameos in different Gus van Sant movies. (I'd have to dig through years of old Willamette Week to find reliable sources to keep the BLP squad content, though.) And hope to see you at a WikiWednesday soon, too. -- llywrch (talk) 05:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Wake up! Wake up! Are you kidding? Tom Peterson must be notable. He's listed in imdb after all... Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't think anyone under 35 had even heard about Tom. -- llywrch (talk) 21:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I am 40. See username. I don't know if I'm blessed with good genetics or a perpetual lack of maturity... Katr67 (talk) 21:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] you're so old school

I'm glad you got to that. There was a mention of the "Jefferson Institute" as well; got anything on that? --Esprqii (talk) 23:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my D'oh moment on the name there. This is the place from which to start. I've been avoiding Jefferson Institute, it's much more complicated and work on that means improving Rickreall, Oregon and a couple other things. I just took a look at List of colleges and universities in Oregon#Defunct institutions and became terrified. Katr67 (talk) 23:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Gulp. That is an intimidating list all right. Great link. The JI was also mentioned in an article I saw (but now can't find) on William Lair Hill, who I was trying to track down after AM's Mary Leonard article. Cool nugget about the pheasants; who knew??! --Esprqii (talk) 23:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I know, huh? O.N. Denny is just ripe for a DYK... Katr67 (talk) 23:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Butting in for a moment: Horner had a lot on the old schools, and I think something about a pheasant. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, see page 232. (Googling "Denny Pheasant" also has a bunch...) --Esprqii (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) Looks like lots of great stuff here--I keep running across those old Education Dept. reports. My formerly Civil War obsessed pal has the Webfoot book, I'll have to borrow it. Katr67 (talk) 23:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Favor?

Can you look up this edit in OGN? I did once before, I'm pretty sure it says the name derives from the pass in the Bitterroots, and that one derives from some mountain man. But I don't remember for sure, definitely not well enough to cite anything. Thanks! -Pete (talk) 22:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

But it will do no good to argue, will it? But I'll see what I can do when I get home... Katr67 (talk) 22:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coquille, Oregon

This article states that the name of the place derived from Coquille people which means those tribes used to live in this place. Are those people still live here? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 04:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

First read Coquille people, then read Coquille Indian Tribe and Confederated Tribes of Siletz then check in with the Coquille Tribe and the Confederated Tribes of the Siletz. I have no personal knowledge of any Coquille tribal members literally living Coquille, Oregon, but according to the articles they do live in the general area. Why do you ask? BTW, where are you from? Katr67 (talk) 04:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Our Web Site

I keep adding our Web Site to Lafayette Oregon and it keeps going away. Our web site is lafayetteoregon.info and I think that it should be on the wiki page. If I am doing something wrong please let me know so I can fix it.

Thank you,

Darrell Flood —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teagle7 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Since you are the former mayor of Lafayette, Oregon, I'd suggest you read about conflict of interest. If you look at the article's page history, you will see that the link isn't going away, it was removed (eight times!) because it does not comply with our external links guidelines. Also, if you had read the notices placed on your talk page, you would see that "Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated..." Wikipedia is not a place to promote any particular idealogy, nor is it a soapbox. Also your sole contributions to Wikipedia are to add the link to your site, which here on Wikipedia is considered the behavior of a spammer. See also:

• Wikipedia:Spam#How not to be a spammer
• Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided
• Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files

Basically, we would prefer you add content, not links. If you have further questions or would like to know where you can seek a third opinion (though it is likely they will tell you much the same thing) please let me know. Katr67 (talk) 05:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] QWERTY: Oregon COTW

Hello WikiProject Oregon participants, time for another edition of Collaboration of the Week. Last week we made some great improvements to Wallowa-Whitman National Forest and Oregon Ballot Measure 47 (1996), with a DYK for the forest. Great job everyone! This week we have another stub, George Lemuel Woods, one of only two governor stubs left, and should be an easy job getting it to Start class. Then, in honor of the long weekend, we have our second State Park Article Creation Drive. Lots of red links to turn blue, lots of opportunities for DYKs. Help if you can, even if it is only adding pictures of state parks. To opt out of these messages, leave your name here, or click here to make a suggestion. May the The Schwartz be with you. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] South Eugene High School

I did not add a majority of these "non-notables," and the one that I did add has a record contract, as you can see if you visit the website that I linked to. Please do not start an edit war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axeman (talk • contribs) 17:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmroo? I think you are mistaken about what an edit war is. Unless you've reverted my changes already. Did you? That might be considered the first salvo in an edit war. You should also assume good faith. Why do you think I thought you added the non-notable people? I didn't say you did. Some of them have been on the list for a long time and I finally got around to it cleaning up. Sometimes seeing someone working on something I have on my watchlist gives me the incentive to do some long-needed work. Oh and for the record, having a record contract does not make a person notable--see the notabilty guideline for bands. The general consensus for articles associated with WikiProject Oregon (which you should feel free to join!) is that lists of notable people should include only people who already have an article on Wikipedia. This cuts down on the frequent spam/advertising/vanity entries that we are constantly removing from such lists. Thanks for your work on the article. Let me know if you need any more information. Katr67 (talk) 18:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see you blanket-reverted all my changes, which included a needed revision to the editor's note at the top of the section (people really don't get alphabetization--see the Julia Anne Robertson entry), a tag calling for more references as much of the article is unreferenced, some formatting changes which included redirecting the names of certain band members to their band, removing an actress who only has one acting credit and no other notability, the aforementioned singer, and a few other redlinks two of which have been there for at least six months. (And as much as I respect the McChesney family, I'm not sure Bill, rest in peace, is notable). You might disagree about the notability of the singer, not sure if you care about the others or not, and this is certainly negotiable, but it sucks to blanket revert other useful changes. So...Whoa there, pardner. Katr67 (talk) 18:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

In point of fact, you were doing blanket revisions to the changes that I made. You were starting an edit war. I am trying to add information to WIkipedia; you are trying to remove it. Furthermore, I believe that arranging the alumni chronologically made more sense than alphabetically. It is not about class, but about the passage of time. No cared about class during high school, much less after. More, importantly, if you'll notice, I conceded on that point and did not try to argue or edit it further as it wasn't as important as including the people themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axeman (talk • contribs) 19:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Alrighty then. Have a nice day and good luck. Katr67 (talk) 20:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] South Eugene High School

(re: Julia Anne Robinson (Class of 1968) actor, The King of Marvin Gardens.) Hi

Please add Julia to the list for people of interest. You can check it out if you Google her or check the Axeman web site for 1968.

Thank you Don—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.242.220 (talk • contribs) 03:57, May 23, 2008

[edit] julie payne?

Please note: Julie Payne the actor on TV was born in 1940, if someone is adding that name to list I do not think it is the same one as the actor.Please check www.imdb.com and look her up.

Thanks, Don

Also I thought the list on notables were by grad date my bad, did not look to well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.242.220 (talk) 04:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I don't own the South article, you might want to argue for the inclusion of Robinson on the article's talk page. The list isn't for people "of interest" it is for people who are considered notable by Wikipedia standards. Though I'm sure she was a very nice person, I don't think she meets the criteria. You can read about notability here: WP:NOTE. If you think she would pass the notability criteria, create an account and write a well-referenced article about her, but remember that Wikipedia is not a memorial. As for Payne, if you click on the link you will see there are two actors by that name. Is there a third who went to South? Is she notable? Since there aren't any references, that link should probably be removed. I won't be working much on the article anymore however. High school articles are fraught with peril and doomed to not measure up to Wikipedia standards I'm afraid. I did the best I could, but it's too much of a hassle. I'd suggest seeking out a third opinion. Katr67 (talk) 05:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

I know Pete said on his talk page that you had been offered nomination by someone else, were you going to accept that? Or did you want a double nom? I have lots of free time now to write something up. VegaDark (talk) 22:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Scientizzle had a nom written up and Pete was going to co-nom, but I've decided not to try for now. I'll let you know if I change my mind. Thanks very much for the offer! Katr67 (talk) 01:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Psst

Hey c'mon, neeed feeedback! :) -Pete (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Busy. Doin' stuff. And still have to visit cats. Day off tomorrow=sleep dep is a go. Yay! So, latr, Katr67 (talk) 05:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Still busy, but I'll make it up to you. I found an Oregon Historical Quarterly all about the Columbia River when I was in Silverton. Want it? Katr67 (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Pete, stop blogging and pay attention... Katr67 (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:ORE tagging

To save a bit of typing (for AWB?), the class=template, class=category and class=portal may be omitted to {{WikiProject Oregon}} when it is placed in those namespaces. A naked template works just as well in all those, except I think Portals process an importance parameter.

It seems you embraced the image request categories I proposed. Do you have a suggestion for regional areas like where Barton, Oregon and Buxton, Oregon are? They seem a bit far out to be Portland region, but Willamette Valley seems silly. —EncMstr (talk) 05:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

re: Portal. Cool, thanks. I figured I'd tag first and ask questions later, since the portal-class didn't seem to quite fit into our new scheme. Re: image categories--yes, I was being BOLD! I think Barton is close enough to civilization to count as Portland region, but once you start getting into the mountains and the timber region of Columbia county (Manning, Vernonia, Timber, Clatsakanie, etc.), I think those places should probably be "Northern Oregon Coast Range"--Would the "Northern Coast area" be too much of a stretch or should there be another category? I think the rest of the Coast Range is more easily sorted into Coast vs. Valley. Thanks for all the work on the template--sorry I wasn't better at explaining my vision! Katr67 (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

You revealed features I never suspected in {{WikiProject Oregon}} with your last additions to Template talk:WikiProject Oregon/Temp. Current-Class, Future-Class, and Redirect-Class are new classes to me. I should have expected Redirect, but I haven't a clue what Current and Future might be for, and the linked page by the description hasn't made me any wiser. I think I'll ask at WPOR. —EncMstr (talk) 04:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Forestry/Timber

Not sure what you are looking for. Are you asking me to create categories? They are easy to create and then populate over time. Or is it some sort of mass input of articles into categories that you are looking for? Ot if you create Oregon categories, I can sure make the categories above them. Hmains (talk) 03:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I just thought since you do a lot of category work you might have some idea how to sort these out. I'll take a stab at it, I'm sure you'll move things around eventually. Katr67 (talk) 04:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I have no special knowledge of this subject. My cat work is often just reorganizing things more logically or providing an organization where none exists. Hmains (talk) 03:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks, if I get anywhere with this I'll give you another heads up. I'm going to add country and state cats as necessary, the tricky part is separating "forestry" from "logging". It's not a real clearcut (pun only partially unintentional) distinction. Katr67 (talk) 19:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Monastery of Our Lady of Jordan, Oregon

I got Gwen Gale to restore it. I'm guessing that the building is mostly of significance today architecturally speaking, or maybe because of the impact the monastery had on the region or something. Your sources are great (it wasn't a copyvio delete, it was an asserting importance issue), but try and make clearer early on why it's important, at least so people who aren't interested in this sort of thing like we are can tell. Good work Katr! VanTucky 03:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hey, thanks for your help! Primus Agustus Magnus (talk) 02:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Primus Agustus Magnus

You're welcome! As a non-Catholic, I had no idea nuns could be so interesting! See you around the wiki, Katr67 (talk) 02:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lewis & Clark Bicycle Trail article

I have modified the article regarding your concerns about containing "how-to" information, both by editing that portion of the article and rearranging the article. I believe this addresses your concerns. Kerry Irons (talk) 19:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw that, thanks a lot, I'll take a look and remove the tags. Happy cycling! Katr67 (talk) 19:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] X marks the WPOR COTW spot

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[edit] Looks familiar

Notice where Rachael Ray is standing? Aboutmovies (talk) 20:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the blogosphere is afire with this. And we don't even have a DD anymore. I thought about mentioning it on the talk page incase the vandalism increased, but...nah. I think someone posted one of your pics to his/her blog too. So back in the super bohemian and scarfy 1980s, kaffiyeh were just a scarf like any other and only slightly subersive. How soon they forget. Reusable shopping bags act like a revolution too, but we had those in 1990. And I thought I had a crappy memory... Katr67 (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's your 15 seconds of fame. Katr67 (talk) 20:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• http://www.loadedorygun.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=1136
• http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/05/dunkin_donuts_pulls_ad_featuri.html

Katr67 (talk) 20:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I had no idea what a controversy this was or that The Oregonian would take the time to point out the cap connection. And your memory may be bad, but at least you've never been to Silverdale, Oregon! Aboutmovies (talk) 21:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Oregon

Latarski: Seems like we should be able to find enough to establish notability, although being a musician it's hard to find actual articles via Google amidst all the cd-store and MP3 sites.

Classical: There's already articles on the various Eugene classical outlets, but I'm not sure how much significant they would be in relation to a general article on music in Oregon. More worthy of inclusion, methinks, would be Tomas Svoboda, the Portland-based composer.

Other Eugene stuff: Dan Siegel grew up in Eugene, went to UO, and spent the first few years of his career here. Trey Gunn also went to UO and released local recordings here before hooking up with Robert Fripp and eventually becoming a member of King Crimson for several years, but I doubt if that fully qualifies him as an "Oregon musician". The Robert Cray Band started out in Eugene. Plenty of other good and bad bands, but I can't think of much else that would notable and/or verifiable.

If I dredge up anything else, I'll let ya know. --Finngall ^talk 22:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Trey! Of course. My pals and I caught him as often as we could. He was important in the DIY scene in Eugene in the 1980s so he might merit a mention about the general scene. Did great interactive art/music show things at Maude Kerns and the W.O.W. Hall. Were you aware of him back then or get to see him? I hope so. If not, neener! Hmm. The Blues Brothers/Animal House/Duffy's/Robert Cray connection might be good for a sentence or two. How about Syndicate of Sound? ;) Thanks for your ideas. If you think of any more jazz guys, let me know. There is also Oregon Music Hall of Fame. Latr, Katr67 (talk) 23:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I caught one or two solo shows (neither at Maude Kerns) during that time and the farewell performance of The Magic If right before he left to study with Fripp, and I still have the tapes he released back then. I've also made sure to catch him when he's returned to town. Ah, memories...still have the albums by Moose Lodge, Michael Billings' White Liberals (recognized him when I was in line with some friends to see Trey-era Crimson at the Roseland), and the late, great Chuck Clearwater... --Finngall ^talk 17:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh my, I am having such a flashback. This reminded me of the late, great Robert Christie. (R.I.P. Robert, Denise, Ted and John) I don't know if you remember the house fire, on Halloween in 1988 or so on Patterson? Robert gave me authentic smoke-damaged James Thurber book from their apartment. I wish I still had that. So I was looking for stuff on Robert and I ran across this treasure trove of 1980s Eugene scene videos from Steve Nordby. Check out this Snakepit video: it gives me chills. Various members of Snakepit (like Mike Johnson) went onto greater things, of course. Here is Robert in Some Velvet Sidewalk. Also check out when Steve Perry wanted to sound like R.E.M. (this is a reunion show) Nobody would believe it if they weren't around back then. Tim went on to the Best Kissers in the World and we all know what happened with Dan and Steve. I'll have to look around, I bet I was at some of those shows... "They" should release all those ____ on 13th cassettes on CD. And I gotta write that Snakepit article... Katr67 (talk) 19:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Michigan logging wheels

After discussion with the editor who created the article, it has been decided to remove the red text. It wasn't a case of owning the article, but getting consensus. The question was flagged up on the article's talk page long before you changed it without discussion. I'm happy to go with the change and the text is now in black.Mjroots (talk) 16:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, generally I don't discuss basic copy editing and manual of style edits, as these for the most part don't need consensus. If I did, I would get a lot less work done here. Like I said, this didn't appear to be a good use of WP:IAR (per WP:MOSCOLOR). I didn't think to check the talk page because having seen a lot of well-intentioned but goofy formatting, it seemed like it was a case of that. I was thinking, "well, so the iconic color for John Deere is green, Catepillar is yellow...", and that this could set a very very bad precedent. So we've made good use of the "WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle", and everybody is happy. Yay! Katr67 (talk) 17:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Tillamook Cheese

Why did you take out my links on Tillamook Cheese? Thank you for saying hi on my page. Jack Russell Lover 11:36 PM 2 June 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackRussellLover (talk • contribs) 06:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#"Unrealiable prodders". --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD by The Enchantress Of Florence

I'm not sure of the procedure, but it appears that this user is de-prodding all the people that agreed with her rebuke at [1]. It's really kind of frustrating, is there some action that should be taken? Shoopdawhoop-lazor (talk) 06:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

She seems to have stopped for now. I think mostly she is going after Qworty's edits, because the article I prodded that she deprodded is a pretty clear case of non-notability and I've never encountered her before, and I doubt very highly anyone would consider my edits to be unreliable. I think the only ones she deprodded were the articles to which Qworty added a {{prod2}} tag like Zena Timber. It looks like several admins are keeping an eye on the situation, since she's very close to getting blocked for incivility or disruption. In the meantime, since the prods can no longer quietly run their course, the best thing to do, if you think the deprodded articles still merit deletion, is to take them to Afd, which is the next step in a contested prod, whether or not the deprodding was improper. At Afd many more uninvolved editors can chime in, and the articles will either be improved or they will be deleted after a thorough discussion, and most of the time it's hard to argue with that. Other than that, I'd suggest editing someplace else for a while. Katr67 (talk) 06:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

cool, thanks for the suggestion. It's kinda weird to get caught up in something I merely had glancing contact with. cheers, Shoopdawhoop-lazor (talk) 07:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merci Beaucoups!

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on The Crazy 8's article - that was very nice! Not that many people are helping out with it, so thanks! BlackPearl14^{Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean} 16:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Eric J. Wilson

They do not have to run for 5 days, that is just the norm. Consensus was strongly in favor of deletion and I agreed. Therefore I closed it. Happy editing, Malinaccier (talk) 20:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: EngineWorks, Inc

Do you have some ideas to make this less "salesy" - I tried my best to take out any words that sound boasting and tried to keep it as informative and historical as possible. ScottFish (talk) 15:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, wording like "our world-class search marketing services" have to go. Encyclopedias need to be written in the third person and "world-class" is not coming from a neutral point-of-view. Most of the information about the founders is filler. The article should be about the company, not the owners, unless they are somehow notable. I also see that all the references are either from your website, or are press releases or trivial mentions. Articles on Wikipedia need to have third party citations to reliable sources. As the article currently stands, an editor would be completely justified in sending it for deletion. There is nothing in the article that indicates the company is notable. Reliable third party sources would be an article (not just a mention) in Portland Business Journal, or better the Oregonian. See WP:CORP for more information. With sentences like "The company’s SEO services add relevancy elements to Web sites that can be recognized by search engine algorithms in order to generate Natural search listings", well, I believe all SEO's do that, and since we have an article on SEOs, people can click on that to find out more. So having a sentence like that in the lead makes the article sound like a sales brochure. Like I posted on your talk page, it's best if you declare any conflict of interest up front. I see you are the director of the SEO. Be sure to read our business FAQ also. Call me cynical but when an SEO posts an article about itself, well, that's all part of their business, yes? Remember that Wikipedia is not here to provide free advertising space. I see you have a page at AboutUs. If this article is deleted, concentrate on expanding that page--that's what they are there for--and wait until your company is notable enough for someone else to write the article. If all else fails, check out "SEO Tips & Tactics From a Wikipedia Insider" from respected editor Durova to learn how not to run afoul of our COI and spam guidlines. Katr67 (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I added 2 3rd party references - the bruce clay blog coverage link and a link to Sean's Speaker Bio from SMX advanced. ScottFish (talk) 19:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I am also going to go through and take out the "Salesy" language today. Thanks for your help. I will make the necessary changes so that the article meets the standards. ScottFish (talk) 19:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Good luck. Note that the Expo bio is trivial and likely sourced from one of your press releases, and blogs aren't considered reliable sources. Did I mention the 3rd party sources should also be "independent"? Katr67 (talk) 19:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I am hoping the changes that I just made will help. Would it be more prudent to add a "Request edit" tag? ScottFish (talk) 19:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Willamette meteorite

Hi! You can read my answer on the talk page. Basilicofresco (talk) 14:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your concern

I apologize for not responding sooner to you and Pete. There is much I admire about Wikipedia and the Oregon Project and you folks are at the top of the list. If I had not seen your comments about Rogue Ales I would never have taken the plunge into editing and learned as much as I have about Wikipedia. Unfortunately I don't have the bottomless reservoir of patience it takes to deal with those aspects of Wikipedia I don't admire so I've decided to focus on some other things right now. I do check in on the OP discussion page and read my COTW message, perhaps later I will contribute actively again.Awotter (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A is for Apple at COTW

Hello again to those of the WikiProject we call Oregon. Time for another edition of Collaboration of the Week. Last week there was some good improvements to Music of Oregon and Phil Knight, great job everyone. This week, by request is the Applegate Trail, which is short enough to easily conjure up a DYK. Then, I’m trying something a little different, with the Portland State stuff. We included the two high profile schools during Civil War week last year, so now its time for the younger sibling that gets no respect to get some attention. After all, it is the largest college in the state. Feel free to help with whatever aspects you like, though to help with some ideas I added some to the article talk page. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Nana na na, hey hey hey, goouud byeeee. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Name change question

Godevening I have a ask abut username and change it to a globale name. I have the username svenboatbuilder in Sweden from February 2006 with more then 2000 edits, and like to change to only the name boatbuilder what I reedy done the account for in Swedish wikipedia. But I see in English wiki is a username boatbuilder from year 2005 with only four edits!

• (cur) (last) 06:41, 2 October 2005 Boatbuilder (Talk | contribs) (undo)
• (cur) (last) 06:34, 2 October 2005 Boatbuilder (Talk | contribs) (undo)
• (cur) (last) 06:32, 2 October 2005 Boatbuilder (Talk | contribs) m (undo)
• (cur) (last) 19:25, 1 October 2005 Boatbuilder (Talk | contribs)

Its is a possibility that I can have this uername boatbuilder for my future global account, or what to do do with its question? Thanks for take yours time. Svenboatbuilder (talk) 22:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, are you asking me because you saw my question posted at Wikipedia talk:Changing username/Usurpations? I don't know much about the process, but Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations is the page where you should put in the request, I can't really help you with that, I'm not an administrator. Good luck! Katr67 (talk) 23:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)