User:Katr67/Archive2

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[edit] WikiProject Oregon

Welcome to Wikiproject Oregon! Please help with Oregon article any way you can. Let me know if you have any questions. PDXblazers 23:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City infoboxes

Thanks for the note! Just got through Columbia County cities. Going to take a bit of a rest on the infobox thing. Thanks for your continuing help in the Oregon cities subproject! Ajbenj 05:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon Country Fair

I appreciate the note. I'm going to change it again because [1] actually gives me a rank for the fully-populated Saturday OCF of 15th largest city in Oregon. See you at the Fair! Oregon Bear 09:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I'm not aware of any rule that External Links must be "specific" to a entry. My observation is that External Links are helpful so long as they offer the reader a link to additional information about an item in the entry.

As noted in the text of the entries, Ashland and Grants Pass grew up precisely because they are located on the Siskiyou Trail, and they are connected to all the other cities along the Siskyou Trail. Giving the reader an External Link to a site that provides further information about the Siskiyou Trail and other locations along the Siskiyou Trail is, as I understand it, exactly the function of an External Link.

Do you have a citation to some rule that is the stricter version that you are relying on?

NorCalHistory 14:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks as well for your courtesy in return. I agree that discussion is preferable to revert nonsense! Since you've taken such care on Oregon cities and towns, I'll defer to your judgment and give the matter some more thought. I do believe that the proposed External Link falls within the guidelines you've identified, but I'll defer for now!

Thanks for the work you've put into these entries.

NorCalHistory 16:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zinc2005's Talk

Well, I've looked around a bit, and Bellevue-Hopewell Highway is not, in fact, a State Route. I only Wikified "Oregon State Route 153," because I thought this was actually the name of the highway, and that "Bellevue-Hopewell Highway" was a nickname. The List of Highways in Oregon link on my talk page actually explains the 2002 ODOT numbering legislation. It actually has nothing to do with the State Routes at all. ODOT numberings are used in ODOT projects and accounting, and are different from the Oregon State Route numbering system. The Bellevue-Hopewell Highway is not part of the State Route system, and is only used in ODOT. Therefore, it is not Oregon State Route 153, but just the "Bellevue-Hopewell Highway."

You probably already knew all this, though, and I may be just wasting my breath. If you didn't, I hope you got all that (I'm not very good at explaining things.) I do, however, believe we need an article on this highway. I don't know anything aabout it, though. By the way, how do you get into WikiProject Oregon?

Also, thanks for the article edits!

Zinc2005 06:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post offices

Where do you get information on the historical post offices of Oregon? (Like the ones you put on Bellevue and Whiteson.) Zinc2005 18:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neighb'rhood Childr'n

Re: Neighb'rhood Childr'n

Hi Katr67, I think I know enough to form a stub, but beyond that I'd be writing using references off the Internet or from the insert on their only CD re-release (info: [2] ). I'm not sure how the list of Oregon bands became so messed up :-/ Guroadrunner 21:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prospect, Oregon

Thank you for contributing to the article I started on Prospect. Wjhonson 21:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It is curious that you should call me a vandal after the above praise, and many many contributions to articles touching on Oregon history, based on my delinking a redlinked article that I concluded had been through a legitimate AfD and deletion review. Katr67 21:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes you get praise when you do something good, and scorn when you do something bad :) Wjhonson 21:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, "bad" as you call it, is a long way from "vandal". Katr67 21:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of bands from Oregon

On the trail of the deletion:

Katr67 17:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Found the deletion discussion:

It seems they wish these bands to be in Category:Oregon musicians and not a list. I wish they would tag all those "list of" articles because they are going to be endlessly created.

Katr67 17:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see how it is, now. Hmm...I guess that's okay. I think (as I alluded to on my talk-page response to your message) that it would be good to also have a list or category of just Portland bands, since it's the biggest city in the state and where most bands are from in Oregon...just my opinion, of course. -little otik 19:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Tag article with something like this {{deletedpage}} but with a soft redirect to the category? I guess we need an administrator. Katr67 17:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Final discussion after review: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States musicians (2nd nomination) Katr67 04:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting of wikisource links

There is no rule under which your deletion falls. Wikisource is a sister project which means the two are complimentary and items posted there are certainly legitimate targets for links here. Those links don't have to meet the requirements that articles do. Wjhonson 06:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You are again making assumptions about the reason for my deletions. It has nothing to do with the link being to Wikisource. But the links deleted do "not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have". In other words, a casual user of Wikipedia would expect an external link to immediately give him or her more information about the article's subject. See here. I have no problem with external linking to Wikisource, however, at the present time, the link to the page provided offers no relevant encyclopedic information that enhances the subjects at hand without a lot of digging. I'm really just here to make good, factual, tightly written, encyclopedic encyclopedia articles, and I'm growing weary of your attempts to get around community consensus regarding your cause. Again, I say: You are not helping your case. Please take any further discussion of my work on any permutation of Catherine/Kittie/Kitty May Ellis to the mediation page. Katr67 06:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Because you have been part of the cause for the situation about which you now complain. The article is certainly enhanced by linking to primary materials. Any editor can see that. Wjhonson 06:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

What exactly is because I have been part of the cause? Your assumptions about my motivations? I guess I am not "any editor", since I disagree that the link to your material enhances the article in question. Nor are any of the other editors who have deleted the link "any editor." Your implication of "any fool can see" does not make me particularly eager to work with you. Katr67 07:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

If the only issue is that you want less digging all you have to do is work WITH me to figure out how to do that. Doesn't that seem more reasonable than this antagonism? Wjhonson 07:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

How am I being antagonistic? It certainly seems like you are being an antagonist by calling my deletions vandalism, making what appear to me to be assumptions and implications about my editing, etc. Heck, I tried to show you how to do the mediation thing properly. Several editors and administrators have given you all the tools and advice you need to go about accomplishing your goals. All I ask is you stop adding your material until it is able to pass review, as one admin suggested. People are not fighting you on this because they have nothing better to do, are hostile to local history, or any reason other than that they feel your material is not ready to be posted on Wikipedia. Katr67 07:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You are being antagonistic by making no attempt whatsoever to work out the issue. My additions did not step on anything you were doing. Your deletions however do step on what I'm doing. And deletions of valid useful relevant links *are* vandalism. My wikisource material does pass review, and there is no reason to remove the links to it. If you want to work with me to fix up the situation better, than fine work with me. Wjhonson 07:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Here. Katr67 08:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Now see [3] I've made this link go directly to a particular event in Tarkio's history. It really isn't hard to work with me, as long as you talk to me. Wjhonson 18:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I was going to say that that's much better. I have no quarrel with the link now. Katr67 18:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Wjhonson 19:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award

		The Original Barnstar
		For work on Pacific Northwest places, competence and civility. Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon communities

No problem... unless someone goes around needlessly reverting and otherwise being obnoxious :), I wouldn't consider congruent editing to be stalking. Especially from someone I've chatted with before, and who isn't patently obnoxious.

At any rate, are you aware of Wikipedia:U.S. cities without articles? It's got a list of many communities which are referenced within Wikipedia, but don't have articles. I've added a few myself. At any rate, go ahead and pick a bunch off the list; someone should write an article on Nimrod, Oregon. And I don't mind at all any stylistic edits to the articles; they're not mine, after all.

Cheers, --EngineerScotty 16:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I went and created a stub about Nimrod, Oregon--but it's very stubby. PLEASE add more if you got it! --EngineerScotty 21:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Oregon Stuff

Do you live in the Eugene area? Just curious--you seem to be focusing on that area (and know all those towns along the McKenzie River by heart). If you're into pirate stuff, have you read the article I wrote a while back on the world's greatest pirate band? Yar, and all that. :) --EngineerScotty 21:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NowTowns.com

I'd appreciate it if you would have looked at the nowtowns.com website before declaring it a "redundant commercial link" and removing it from the Corvallis and Albany articles. We don't make money off of visitors and we don't have any advertisements on the site. It is actually a useful and content-rich site with lots of detailed information about local businesses, events, movie theaters, classified ads, discussion forums, etc... Much more useful than visitcorvallis.com or www.el.com/to/corvallis - seriously, look at the site and then compare it to the other two just mentioned and decide what would be most useful to someone interested in learning more about Corvallis. If NowTowns isn't allowed, those sites should be removed also.

Please reconsider. Thank you! Dmron 21:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tillamock Rock Light

Hi, thanks for stopping by my page. You must've missed the discussion about lighthouse names a while back. It was decided that "Light" is the preferable term to "Lighthouse" as the Google searches come out about even when Wikipedia mirrors are discounted. Plus the official names of the station are XX Light according to both the United States Coast Guard [4] who are the sole operational entity for all US lighthouses and by the US National Park Service which owns a good portion of the land that many of these coastal stations sit on per the link you provided on my talk page. Since these two entitites control all lightstations it was deemed their naming convention is the official and appropriate one to use. Any remaining "Lighthouse" or "lighthouse" are slowly being chnaged to "Light". Gateman1997 02:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh as for the redirects we can probably just leave them since they're all single redirects that I can see. And it wastes more wikiresources to modify the redirects then to leave them.

No worries. I believe the discussion was at List of US Lighthouses. As for the lists I believe List of XX Lighthouses still works as that is what both governing bodies use when referring to them as a group. Also would you be interested in starting a Lighthouse wikiproject with me? I've been meaning to catch up on these great towers but got sidetracked for months with highway articles and all sorts of other nonsense. Gateman1997 02:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neskowin, Oregon

I noticed you dropped by a second population on Neskowin, Oregon. Why? You might also want to check over Twin Rocks, Oregon, and Springbrook, Oregon, and the Barview disambiguation page (new articles, I've tried to make them look similar to Whiteson and Bellevue.) Zinc2005 16:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spokane

Can you please explain how the Spokane article reads like an ad. It does nothing to post that and tell people to go to the talk page if you don't explain what makes it look like an ad. SpokaneWilly 03:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, i will work on keeping those kinds of words out of the article, i happen to be a spokane lover just like the people who put those words in. but my love of spokane is met by my love of wikipedia. If you do keep seeing those kinds of words let us know again. Thanks SpokaneWilly 20:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] added Monitor, Oregon

Just FYI.. I don't have a copy of OGN, so your filling in from that publication is much appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EngineerScotty (talk • contribs) 22:38, August 3, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Dalles, from the user who edited the Oregon papers entry

Hi, Katr. I'm Howard Yune, the one who recently edited and tidied up the "List of newspapers in Oregon" page.

By way of background, I'm a reporter for the Appeal-Democrat, the daily newspaper of the Yuba City-Marysville area north of Sacramento, Calif. But previously, for three years, I wrote for The World in Coos Bay, Ore., which is how I learned about that state's newspaper industry.

To answer your question about The Dalles... as I say, I mean no disrespect to the Chicago Manual of Style (though I use the New York Times stylebook for my own correspondence). When I refer to the use of the article as regional style, I mean that indexing it under "T" instead of "D" is the custom both among the regional media and the regular people. Actually, it has never seemed a controversial point in Oregon itself; it's treated as nonchalantly as the absence of an apostrophe in "Grants Pass," for instance.

Katr, I haven't yet been a copy editor, but I'd love to get the chance someday, so great is my passion for clean copy - and that's why I take the trouble with "The Dalles" and other such matters. :-)

Write me anytime, whether on Wikipedia or to my e-mail account, HowardLive@juno.com.

Cheers, Howard

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.10.3.29 (talk • contribs) 01:07, August 13, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The White Train

I remember that! Not much about it, but I remember it. Go for it. Twisted86 05:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Port of Coos Bay

I made it redirect to Coos Bay, the article describing the bay (as opposed to Coos Bay, Oregon, which describes the city). The article Coos Bay already has some info on the port.

Feel free to make it a separate article though.

--EngineerScotty 18:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] removing local businesses from Woodburn listing

Hello,

I noticed that you removed the Local Business entry on the Woodburn, Oregon page. In your message you state that it is spam. However, it is not spam to feature locally owned and operated businesses on the page. If people are interested in Woodburn, they might want to know about housing developments, local commerce, and companies that have contributed to the growth of Woodburn. I would appreciate it if you reinstate this section. Thanks,

Darren Baker Vice President Dijahnelos Homes, Inc Woodburn, Oregon

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.182.228.175 (talk • contribs) 12:42, August 24, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rome, Oregon

Thanks for helping me out there. I reinstated the infobox, but commented it out for the time being until I can find the respective facts.Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh wait I see why you removed it. I'll self revert.Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reed Opera House and McCornack Block Addition

Looks good. Couldn't resist a minor edit myself, though.... Twisted86 04:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Klamath

Obviously I am just new to this but hey I am being bold, which is what we are supposed to do!

You acknowlede that the water war issue should be discussed but the cut it out entirely? COme on, fix up the stuff, but to just erase it all?

ok, so fix my speeling errors but at least leave the headline/title, water wars, this is not point of view, this is acknowledged event,I dont know anyone who disagrees with the title war, struggle or war, it was a war, I know, I was there I come from a farming family, what? And I acknowledge the tribes side in this?

>>>but as written this violates WP:NPOV and needs to put into wiki style and made more encyclopedic. Thanks. Katr67 21:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

sure so fix the npov although I think it violates it not much, more it violates your sensibilities, to make it more encyclopedic, sure, go for it, make it more encylopedic, fix the spelling errors, get more references, but hey , this all happened,

look, you may be the spam guard, the gate keeper of all oregon small towns, but who made you the moral guardian for white society? if the issue, does need to be dealt with AT LEAST leave the subject heading...to cut it all, speaks of censorship.

Am I intense? Sure, I am NEW at this, am I angry, maybe, angry that EVERYONE i discuss this with shuts it down and doesnt want to deal with it, then I come to a free place to speak and I get deleted, more frustration than anger.

Also, if you live in eugene, you may want to visit with my grandmother who knew opal whitly, you could garner more cool stuff from her.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.24.43.45 (talk • contribs) 10:28, August 30, 2006 (UTC)

Short answer: because I'm at work and should be working, don't like leaving articles looking half-finished, and want to give this the attention it deserves. I'll be in touch. Katr67 17:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Um... "moral guardian for white society"? I don't think so. Don't make assumptions about censorship. Katr67 17:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. SO work already, ;-) but thanks for leaving a heading so I can feel that HEY MY FIRST TIME, I am not longer virginalwikiman, I got content. Ok, is that ok to say, sorry...17:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

To continue, I want to touch base with your ideas of "placelessness" and generica. As the Klamath Tribal article is presently written, I find it rather bleached white. No color toward the locale or to the people. I don't think acknowledging current racism is a crime to edit out. I think it very much needs to be discussed. I notice in the wikipedia racism article, there is absolutely nothing on current racism practiced both individually and institutionally towards Native Amercian's, perhaps hot topics are too hot for wikip. I hope not. Are we in agreement with the basic understanding that this current racial issue is something that indeed wikipedia is made for? Yours Sincerely dlbH

why do our UTC time codes not really work? I mean you corrected me almost immediately but the time code shows seven hours later.

20:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I am newly signed up now. So anyways, how many times did you revert me? I slowly start to get it, but even now, I don't really understand its implications. Is fun. Enit?

--Liaison1 22:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

This is addictive isn't it? --Liaison1 23:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] just a howdy

Hey now, Thanks for cleaning up Christmas Valley and for righting my errant switcheroo. I'm still a newbie and will try to restrain myself. Before the year is out, I'm moving to Christmas Valley from Southern California, where I've lived most of my life. You have a very cool User page which I will also restrain myself from co-opting in any way, but may well look to for clues on how to build one properly.

Great work on Oregon.

Pat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Duff (talk • contribs) 11:20, August 31, 2006 (UTC)