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Sacred Heart General Hospital Heliport

Hiya, great work on the airport articles, as usual. One thing, this article says it's 9 miles NW of Eugene?! Judging by the coords and my personal experience, the heliport is right on the roof of Sacred Heart Medical Center, which puts it squarely in Eugene. (The hospital is on the edge of the University of Oregon campus.) Could you double check your sources? Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good day! Yeah, I pulled my data from the FAA so no doubt there are quite a few errors. In dealing with a database there is always Garbage In, Garbage Out from those who have typed it in. When I pulled the spreadsheets from them I had to go go through and correct a bunch of errors (typos, names, etc...) but some of the raw numbers are hard to pick up with the ol' mark one eyeball. Feel free to correct 'em as you find them. I just wanted to make sure I got at least a little something started on them then let all the real pros out there help fill in the blanks. Thanks for the catch! --Trashbag (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

J.N. Teal

Thanks for your note, these early businessmen like J.N. Teal would need a chapter of their own to cover, business methods were pretty piratical back in those days.Mtsmallwood (talk) 08:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

New Year COTW from WP:ORE

Happy New Year to all the Oregon WikiProject People. A big round of applause for everyone last year, we got a lot done. A thank you to everyone who helped with the last Collaboration of the Week, I saw a large number of articles in the unassessed section and our total number of articles is over 5000 (we were around 4000 in June when the assessment program finished the initial run) so I know at one person was busy tagging. This week we are back to a High importance Stub article the one and only max security prison, first prison, and only one with a death row in the state, the Oregon State Penitentiary. Then, by request we have one of the most prolific ballot measure sponsors in Mr. Bill Sizemore. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

category discussion

I am sorry i was being unnecessarily argumentative and personal in my recent discussion about District of Columb. category renaming. I regret, myself, butting in; i should just go back to editing articles about historic sites which is what i like to do. Sincerely, doncram (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

ColumbiaSoft

The article on ColumbiaSoft presents no bias or advertising and all facts are supported. If you still feel this way please explain why.

Regards, Mrtriviamaniacman—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtriviamaniacman (talk • contribs) 21:09, January 8, 2008

Hint: Just type 4 tildes: ~~~~. Katr67 (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The bit about the dollar amount of the average order concerns me. It may be backed with sources (I didn't check the refs) but how is this encyclopedic? It seems like an attempt to "sell" the company a bit. I'll admit I'm biased against anything smacking of advertising in this article, because it was created by Anvil Media, of which ColumbiaSoft is a client. I'm going to assume you have some sort of vested interest in the company as well? Forgive me if this isn't so. Please read our conflict-of-interest guidelines and also our business FAQ so you can learn more about how our articles are supposed to be neutral and not for advertising. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 21:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm also suspcious because this user: Triviamaniacman23 (talk · contribs) (You?) added links to ColumbiaSoft at the top of a couple lists. Very bad form and makes people look a lot more closely at your edits. Remember Wikipedia is not here to help you promote your business. Katr67 (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Your concern is understandable. I don't believe that posting revenue amount based on order size sells anything. It gives an understanding of a private company's revenue in addition to providing insight into the consumer demographic. It's no different than a public company reporting its revenues or the sales price of business to consumer product. Isn't the IPhone page more of a sales page by providing all the latest features and interfaces? Isn't that propaganda. ColumbiaSoft's figures are substantiated and backed by a notable publication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtriviamaniacman (talk • contribs) 21:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I made some changes to make it look a little less ad like. Please note, try not to compare articles unless those articles are what we call Featured Articles, as just because one article looks a certain why does mean it should look that way. You know, well if all your friends were jumping off a bridge... On a side note, as it is now, I don't know if the article would survive a deletion debate as only two of the articles really satisfy the notability guideline, with the second PBJ article about the founder being what we classify as trivial coverage of the company (its about him and not so much ColumbiaSoft). I'd try to find a source or two more that meet WP:RS and are independent of the company (i.e. no press releases or reprints of press releases). Trade magazines are often a good place to look. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

THX

Thank you for your change to the Gary Forrester article. We missed that one! Are you in Oregon, by any chance? If so, are you familiar with the Grand Ronde and Klamath tribes? It's a great story. Anyway, all the best from New Zealand.--Strapping.jofus (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Oregon

What exactly is WikiProject Oregon? I am a proud Oregonian and may be interested in helping. By the way, I apologize for vandalising the other user's page, it was foolish. Your friend, Creamy3 Creamy3 (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

re: Falling Up

No, no specific reason. I just hate there being large templates on article talk pages... that's about it. I won't delete it again, my apologies for inconveniencing you, that was pretty immature. :) Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 05:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Your Talk Page

This talk page is becoming very long. Please consider archiving. ✬Dillard421✬ (talk • contribs) 15:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I know how to archive, but thanks. I'll do it when I get around to it. Cheers. Katr67 (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Climate

I will provide links to the Weather channel charts for average highs and lows for those cities. thanks! Strongbad1982 (talk) 17:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, many of the cities in Oregon do not fit neatly into one single climate zone. This is why I noted in the articles on those cities that the Willamette valley possesses a Marine west coast climate but has some characteristics of a Mediterranean climate, notably the drier summer season. I will clean up later today by adding links to temperature tables on the weather channel website. Thanks!

Strongbad1982 (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

cool

I would leave you a long thank-you note for contacting Alex, but this talk page is way too long already... --Esprqii (talk) 19:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

hello, sorry, trying to revise and explain

hi, um, i'm really bad at this, but i'm trying to both post revisions in the articles and write on your project or whatever it's called at the same time, so please wait if possible like at least an hour. i'm not a vandal, just give me a chance as i've been doing this after work for days, thanks. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 00:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

i'm still trying to write something for the wp:ore place

hello again, i noticed that since i tried to message you or whatever it's called, you posted another comment about me on the wikiproject oregon page again. i was right in the middle of writing something there for a couple of hours until you contacted me, then somehow i lost what i was writing on that page for everyone to see at the same time that i was posting new templates newer more conciliatory templates. i know everyone has equal access on here as long as they behave, and i assure you i'm neither a vandal nor indifferent to the perceptions of others, but now it might take me hours more to try to rewrite what i was doing as i was both doing it and going over how i got to be there. oregon is a great place and i like it a lot, so i thought it deserved something better, so i respectfully request that i be given a bit longer to post something relevant and detailed to your concerns. thanks. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 01:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, nobody's out to get you and I doubt anything will happen without a discussion, but up until you contacted me, your behavior had us puzzled. I'm glad you finally decided to communicate. I didn't see your post here until I posted on the project page--that was just to notify the other WikiProject members what was going on. I'm not the only one who has a say, I'm just on a lot and watchlist a ton of stuff, so I noticed your edit summary messages. Sorry you lost your post on the WikiProject page--that always sucks. If you're worried about losing posts, write them in a text-editing program like Word and then paste them into the edit box when you're done. If there was an edit conflict when you tried to post, usually you can hit your browser's "back" button and copy what you wrote (that works in Firefox anyway, I seem to recall having more problems with losing text when using Explorer), and paste it onto the latest version of the page. I hope this helps. We look forward the discussion. Katr67 (talk) 02:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Hubert, not to sound to judgmental here, but why should we trust you? We have been trying for days to get your attention, yet you continued with your ways. Even after posting above, you then (instead of continuing the discussion you asked for) went back and edited the templates again with your OWN like message. Honestly, what reason can you give us for going in and editing, and then telling other people not to change those edits. At this point we have had several conversations between a number of editors and the consensus was the status quo. If you are at all serious about cooperation I would ask that you return the templates to their state prior to your first edits, and then discuss the issue. These templates have been edited continually in the past to update them, so we are willing to listen to changes. But your behavior has been less than desirable in this episode and has (at least for me) been frustrating and bought you a whole lot of ill will. Trust me, I want the coverage to improve on Oregon history, that's why I have written well over 100 articles on the topic and worked to improve a handful to GA status. But I try to work with the community and respond to objections. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

hello i'm right here now almost done with my post

hi, i'm doing this now and i'm almost there. yes i know about edit wars, they can be nasty and i've gotten more trouble out of them than you can imagine. hang on, my miniature manifesto regarding all things oregon history on the wp:ore talk page is just about there. patience if not grace, that's me. yeah right. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 03:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Move request

Hi, I am curious as to why you reverted my edit at WP:RM.

The section on controversial/contested moves is usually used for items that have previously appeared in the Uncontroversial section and someone thinks that it is not an uncontroversial move and so relocates it in the controversial/contested section.

Normal full moves, controversial or not, are dropped into the dated sections. The item in question looked like a full move and so should appear in the dated section. It may be controversial but that will be apparent when the closing admin looks at the discussion on the articles talk page. Keith D (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Carpenter Gothic -> Carpenter Gothic architecture

Hi Katr67. I support the move, there is a surver on the talk page Talk:Carpenter Gothic. CApitol3 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not sure why you're telling me this. I just put the page move up for discussion as a procedural thing, and the discussion should take place there. It's not a vote or a contest or anything and nothing against anyone who opposes the move. I'm also not sure what you mean by "surver"? I guess I'll go look at the page... Katr67 (talk) 15:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Ohhhh. Survey. Yes, it's there because I put it there. :) Katr67 (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

So, I applied.

Might even have a slight inside track, too. Thanks again!! -Pete (talk) 00:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Kick ass! I hope you get it! I've got 'til Friday, but hopefully will mostly finish up today. Say....you any good at evaluating application materials? Most people I show stuff to say "Oh this is great, I'd hire you!" and they don't find the typos. I need to find a couple cruel and ruthless proofreaders. I deserve it. ;) Katr67 (talk) 00:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Send it on over. -Pete (talk) 00:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh great. Pressure. :P Katr67 (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
No, pressure is 5:00 rapidly approaching. I am officially de-wikifying…now! Catch ya soon, -Pete (talk) 00:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Rats I was going to ask you to look over Rey Ramsey and the talk page. Maybe AM will catch it... Are you there AM? Katr67 (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh, what?! I'm awake, I was just resting my eyes. Left a note there, hopefully that helped. Can I apply too? I don't know what it is for, but I'm hoping its free ice cream, preferably chocolate. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm planning to sell my soul to the devil; Pete is going for a position that will rocket him to fame and fortune. I don't think there's ice cream in hell, but Pete can fill you in if he is successful. Katr67 (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet tags

I see that you replaced those sock puppet tags. I was the one who erased them (I forgot to sign in). Overall I guess I don't care but I just don't see why you think they have to be there any way. They are dead sock puppets. They are not going to be unblocked just because I removed the tag after all this time. I can't find anything in Wikipedia rules that says they have to remain on the user pages. Please respond on my talk page.Richprentice (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

Hi. Trying to get my attention? FYI, I asked about your question elsewhere, if I get a response, I'll let you know. In the meantime, I usually treat all anon blanking without an edit summary as vandalism. Why don't you move on and concentrate on editing articles? Katr67 (talk) 23:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
You say you don't want to interact with me- but if you follow me around and revert trivial things you should expect me to ask you to defend your action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richprentice (talk • contribs) 23:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Please learn to sign your posts. That was yesterday, this is today. As I explained, I will follow any anon vandals I please. I have no further plans to interact with you. Now please do not post on my talk page anymore. Good luck and good day. Katr67 (talk) 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Removing the tags from the user page was not vandalism. It, in fact is allowed as you have discovered yourself in your efforts to pigion me. You are alleging that the user page is mine so then I can do what ever I wan't with my own user page (like blank it). Its the same as if i started messing with your user page (give me a break!). Also I could make a very good case that your en mass reverts on the NYPIRG page last month was in fact vandalism on your part. If you don't wan't to talk to me then stop accusing me vandalising what is said to be my own page. How old are you anyway? I don't want to talk to you anymore- Ive got better things to do today! Richprentice (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

Uh, yeah, except…apparently you don't. Hope your wikilawyering is entertaining to you Rich, because I can't imagine it's too convincing to anyone else. And, am I seeing things, or did you actually just interpret my reply to Katr's comment as somehow reinforcing your position?? -Pete (talk) 02:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Pete: In response to your question- If someone is going to blindly revert stuff they are going to have to explain it. You, nor any one else can find any rule that that tag can not be removed from that page. Sorry Pete "Its just common sence" doesn't cut the mustard. With that logic you wouldn't even need a rule book- (why have rules that are not common sense?) That means I could arbitrate this point and probably win... BUT the truth is that I really honestly don't care. Richprentice (talk) 03:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

(edit conflict) Feel free to report me for vandalism. Here is the link: WP:AIV. An anonymous IP deleted content without an explanation. That's vandalism. How was I supposed to know that was you? That is all I meant by "anonymous" and "vandalism". I said I wouldn't interact with you anymore. I tend to keep my word. In other words: Do whatever the fuck you want, OK? I'm 40 years old and I'm again politely requesting that you don't post on my page anymore. If you'd like to continue the discussion with Pete, please take it to his page. Good day to you sir. Katr67 (talk) 02:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Oregon GA COTW

Howdy to WikiProject Oregon members, time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week. As you may have already noticed, our flagship article Oregon is up for the third time as we make a push to get WP:GA status before going for WP:FA. Since this will take some time to get where it needs to be, this will be the COTW for more than just a week. Also, so we hopefully don’t trip over ourselves, try to coordinate on the article’s talk page. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here.

On another note, just a general good job/pat on the back to the project for a great 2007, the first full year of the project. We had 83 DYKs about Oregon, improved one article to FA, and went from around 4 GAs to 17 GAs. Plus numerous new articles, improvements to existing, the introduction of the COTW, and the introduction of article assessment at the project. Again, great job and here’s to a new year. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sacred Heart Heliport

Good day Katr, I noticed that you moved the moved Sacred Heart General Hospital Heliport to Sacred Heart Medical Center Heliport. Out of curiosity, do you have anything referencing that move? I understand that the hospital may be that name but the name on the FAA Form 5010 Airport Master Record reflects the "General Hospital" name. Please be aware that the name of the FAA approved landing facility may not perfectly match the name of the facility it serves. If you don't have any references for the name change I will have to insist that the name reflect what is on the official documentation for the site. Thanks, --Trashbag (talk) 01:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary? It's per USGS. Like I've said before, I'm afraid as far as geographic names, sometimes the FAA is whack. But move it back if you "have to insist". Katr67 (talk) 03:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Here's the link I cited: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:1131707 Katr67 (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh trust me, I understand. You won't believe the numbers of errors I found in their database. The big challenge is that we are talking about a private landing facility here, the public airports are inspected every three years so everything gets updated at that time (name changes, new runway lighting, hey where did that cell phone tower at the end of the runway come from?). But the private spots are only reviewed at the time they are opened or if the property changes hands. I actually contacted the ODA to tell them they need to update the ownership block of the Columbia Aviation Heliport. It still shows ODOT on there (ODA used to be a division under ODOT). It's a similar situation and I went ahead to reflect the change on the Columbia Aviation Heliport to reflect that. So I have no problem leaving the Sacred Heart article. I'll update the list to reflect the name. Thanks for the input and the catch. --Trashbag (talk) 16:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Eugene Backwoods

An article that you have been involved in editing, Eugene Backwoods, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eugene Backwoods. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

ghosttowns.com

I put that reference to Kerby, Oregon into the RfC thread on my talk page because it illustrated the difference in my approach between Kerby and Michael Parenti. MP is a biography of a living person, so the rules of truth apply - a false or even a simply misleading statement is potentially libellous, so great care needs to be taken --

Kerby is just about an unincorporated place - not a legal entity - so it can't be libelled and the rule for removing the wikipedia statement that it is a ghost town has to be that the statement isn't properly sourced. So far as I could tell, at the time, the statement was properly sourced - it was written in ghosttowns.com and ghosttowns.com was a reliable source. (Therefore, even though the statement is manifestly untrue it should remain in wikipedia - removing it would be OR.) --

In the end (yesterday) I did remove it, but my basis for doing that is that ghosttowns.com is not a good source. True it collects entries written by third parties so it is an encyclopedia, just like wikipedia, but there is no evidence that the data it collects has any verification and it has no citations. Merely quoting the author in the ghosttowns.com article isn't enough I think - the article has to quote sources. --

Anyway, I'm happy either way - there's no way of proving that Kerby isn't a ghost town by wikipedia rules since no one is going to write something like "Kerby is not a ghost town" in a citable source. So if ghosttowns.com does past muster as a reliable wikipedia source (I don't think it is) Kerby should definately be added back as a ghost town. Jbowler (talk) 21:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Express Yourself!!! (Invitation to Fun)

  • Katr67, I would like to invite you to come on a fun trip with me as I write, hopefully together with a few "friend Wikipedians", some future (?) WikiEssays. All in good fun, and I think it'd be a great outlet for some of the recent nervous energy and excessive typing some of us have done on recent debates. I have some formatting laid out and invite you to Be Very Bold in contributing to the articles if you feel so led. It's all meant to be in the spirit of good fun and collaboration, kinda like a mini-WikiProject or something. Check the "proposed" essay topics out here. You can also add your name to the "contributors" or even "planned contributors" (if you can't add now but plan to soon/eventually) list at the essay talk page. You'll see it's all laid out pretty simply. Yes, drop-down... just like an Advent Calendar... I know... I Hope to See You There!!! VigilancePrime (talk) 05:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC) :-)
On a side note, I loved your FAQ page... would it be too much to ask to "borrow" (basically copy) a (very) large amount of it to convert into a similar FAQ for myself? It's worth its weight in gold (figuratively, at least, since it is the internet) just for all the internal links to WPspace!
Oh yeah, Awesome work on Oregon articles, and thank you so very much for the assistance on Moolack Beach!
Um, did you see the FAQ about people copying my stuff? I was gentle there, but honestly it really bugs the living crap out of me when people copy things I've written. But it's a wiki. I don't own it, it's released in the public domain, and I can't stop you. But I can ask you nicely not to copy my homework. Note that I tend to avoid people's pages where my writing/headings/layout can be found (there is a handful). Please write your own FAQ, I'm sure you've encountered different issues on the wiki than I have. Of course you can link to the same places I do, the whole point is to show people who might not understand wiki culture that there is a whole bunch of guidelines out there, and that if someone has a problem with with what I am doing, to show them that it's really nothing personal. Anyway, I wrote my FAQ myself, based on painful personal experience, agonized over the wording, inserted my own strange sense of humor, searched for and found all the appropriate links, formatted it and proofread it. If you'd like to skip all those rewarding steps, well, like I said, I can't stop you. But if you write it from scratch I'd be glad to proofread it for you. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I understand and agree (hence asking in the first place). You'd be surprised, though, how much of your painful experience seems to mirror much of mine. I am truly impressed at the entire piece of work.
That aside, please drop in and contribute if you would like to at some point on the "potential" essays. Good stuff. (I hope.) THanks a bubch! VigilancePrime (talk) 03:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC) :-)

Comment

Don't be an idiot yo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milsorgen (talk • contribs) 07:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Care to explain that? Katr67 (talk) 15:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Tillamook, Oregon

Would you mind doing the honors? Tillamook, Oregon needs another undo. I've already done two. —EncMstr 08:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Me and Katr are both in the same boat, but we can do three each, its the fourth that causes the problem (though I prefer not to get that close anyway). But I listed the user at the 3RR board, so once they are blocked I'll go in and revert one more time to get it back to where it was. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't look back far enough. We're all two reverts. Let's get Pete to do it! —EncMstr 08:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing to see here, move along... Katr67 (talk) 16:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Correction on Medford Notable Residents

Katr67 wrote:

(→Notable residents - Wong comes before Wright ;))

Sorry, I guess I don't know Wright from Wong. DaKine (talk) 17:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL I couldn't resist such a perfect straight line being handed to me. BTW, we try to hold the notable people sections to the standard that people listed therin are notable enough to have their own articles. If those two are notable, could you whip up a stub for each of them? Otherwise they may be subject to deletion. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh

OK with the hyphen, but why the other reversions? Aboutmovies (talk) 18:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ooops! Edit conflict! Katr67 (talk) 18:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking it might have been that. Thanks for copy editing it, it should get the stamp of approval now. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the universe just folded in on itself

Hi there, can you put a userbox about piracy of user page piracy userboxes on your user page so that I can pirate it for use on my user page? Thanks! --Esprqii (talk) 23:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Head asplode now. Katr67 (talk) 23:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Becca Bernstein

Becca Bernstein Cleaned it up, expanded it and removed your tag. Thanks for pointing it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Campcloudrimwaldo (talk • contribs) 05:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Snowy COTW from WPOR

Hello again from WP:ORE. Please note the Collaboration of the Week is running two hours late, no morning kindergarten, and routers are on snow routes. Thank you to those who helped improve Oregon, we are inching towards GA quality. This week we have another High importance Stub in our official state insect (who knew?) with the Oregon Swallowtail, and then a new article I came across, Biglow Canyon Wind Farm. Help if you can get out of the snow. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Good day! Aboutmovies (talk) 16:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

George Washington Bush

Sorry about the problems yesterday regarding this article: doing and undoing changes in it. The problems were due to the fact that I did not check the History page and so failed to see your comments. Like you, I am an experienced writer and editor and want to see Wikipedia get better (and better). My apologies.

Back to George Washington Bush. I think that the general outline of his remarkable trip from Missouri to what's now Washington State and his life there are quite clear and have been recounted in city, state and federal sources. However, it is also clear that the entry in Wikipedia still need some work.

I have added some sections, as you suggested. I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards, TBHecht (Frederick Hecht) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TBHecht (talk • contribs) 14:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Something shiny

Thanks! I appreciate all the input! Just happy to help in a field I know and love, --Trashbag (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Interesting NHRP discussion

I suspect you've already caught this with your super sharp wikieyes, but just in case: there's an interesting discussion at Talk:Hanford Site about how to handle the 3 NHRP sites on the Hanford Site. -Pete (talk) 01:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Portland, OR

I'm new in wikipedia and i think ive blanked one information that you introduced in wikipedia regarding the population of Portland, OR in 2006, i had found a source that showed the estimate of the population of Portland in 2007 wevsite http://www.pdx.edu/media/p/r/prcCertifiedRelease_07_web_cities.pdf I didn't knew exactly the policies of wikipedia and i directly changed the numbers and source in the edit this page section. I'm asking if i should change the numbers and the source back to its original state or can i leave the changes that i've made, I'm sorry for any molestatios that ive could have caused to you. -Joan.ignasi.91 00:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I think your additions look fine, though I didn't check the source to make sure the numbers matched. I'm assuming they do. Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks. I noticed something was amiss when the dotted lines persisted around my addition. Phil Finchbook01 (talk) 04:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Canada Basketball

we seem to be colliding with reports and talk page notifications, whoops! Travellingcari (talk) 20:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I just moved your notice from the user's userpage, where you accidentally posted it. And then you posted again on the talk page. Happy COI fighting! Katr67 (talk) 20:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Whoops, no wonder I couldn't find it when I went to fix the busted {{{URL}}} tag. I'm still navigating the use of more complicated tags. Travellingcari (talk) 20:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Old Joseph's Gravesite

Thanks for the edit of the NHL article regarding the Nez Perce Traditional Site, Wallowa Lake, I missed that one (obviously)... I also added a couple of citations like you wanted, no problemo.

Greener pride. I love it up there! Axcordion (talk) 06:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate your improvements on the Hidden Valley High School site. Watching the revision process from the side has been educational. Finchbook01 (talk) 18:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit requiring citations

Hello. I expanded Economy section on Winchester Bay, Oregon, and left your "citation needed" requirement on, pending your evaluation. Thank you. Finchbook01 (talk) 07:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Tom Peterson says it time for Oregon COTW

Wake up! Wake up to a happy day! Says Tom Peterson. Greetings to the gang at WP:ORE, its time for another round of Collaboration of the Week. Last week was a very successful endeavor with great improvement to Oregon Swallowtail and Deuce Biglow Canyon Wind Farm. OK, so there’s no “e” but it makes me laugh. The Biglow production was so successful we got our first DYK out of it. So, let’s try for a second with the tallest building in the state, the Wells Fargo Center. Then by request we have the former governor (among other things) Neil Goldschmidt. Again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, visit here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks

for telling the bot where to go. I've been a real flake lately: forgot to sign three or four messages in the last two days. What is happening to me? And all the email protests from "unfairly" blocked users. Maybe I should go block some more....  :-) —EncMstr 23:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Clown COTW

Greetings once again to members of the best encyclopedia online about Oregon (aka WP:ORE)! Last week we improved Neil Goldschmidt to close to GA level, and moved the Wells Fargo Center from Stub to Start for the Collaboration of the Week. This week we’re clowning around with some bozo from Oregon, Pinto Colvig, and then in an attempt to garner another DYK, the rather stubby Cooper Spur. As always, any contribution is appreciated, and to opt out of these messages visit here.

As we have quite a few new members over the last six months, I’ll make another pitch for our various subprojects. Listed here, you will find a variety of groups focused on specific areas of Oregon from transportation to culture. Not only can you sign up and coordinate work there, but each often has useful sources and templates related to that topic. No pressure, just an introduction to those new to the project. Adios. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Mary Ramsey Wood

I see several problems with the decision to close the matter concerning my 4th great grandmother, Mary Ramsey LEMONS WOOD.

No mention of Oregonian newspaper's investigation which confirmed her birthdate.

lost censuses for 1790, 1800 and 1810 for Tennessee.

No one bother to contact my family (we found out about this through Wikipedia by accident), even through we are well known on Internet and easy to locate.

Personally I've been indexing many censuses over different years and did notice the women DO tend to state lower age than actual while men tend to state their age older than they actually are.

The main reason? to keep themselves at marriageable age. Not only that, there are quite a large number of those who reached 100 years of age by 1850, 1860, particularly in the Southern states.

Omitted facts: Mary (Ramsey) Lemons Wood did NOT come with her daughter Catherine. She came with TWO daughters and their families - Catherine with her husband James Burnett Southworth and their 2 children plus 6 from James' previous marriage. Catherine had 7 more while in Oregon. Divorced and remarried 2 more times and had 2 more children by 2nd marriage. The older daughter, Nancy married Charles Bullock in Missouri, came with Mary and sister Catherine, with her 2 children, had 6 more while in Oregon. Mary's oldest daughter, Mary did not come west. Stayed in Missouri. Lived to 98 years, died 1904, wife of Mr. Branham. I have photo of Nancy Bullock's gravemarker, saying she was born 1816 (I have to find that photo because I personall took photo of it to be sure since the last visit was in 2000.) She died 1870. Buried next to Mary in Hillsboro Pioneer Cemetery. I visited the cemetery. Catherine is buried nearby in her family lot. Nancy's gravemarker is one that is throwing money wrench in case against Mary.

The gravemarker that is on this site is not the original one. It's a replacement. The original marker was a full grave length and listed all the details. It is gone but the information is on the record at Washington County Historical Society.

Mary came from a family of 9 children (not 10) and Mary is 5th, not 6th. The lore about the parents from England disproved. No evidence exist to support the claim of England, probably because the Ramsey family is of Melungeon origin (Ramey/Ramsey, Gann/Gans.) Catherine is known to have been born in North Carolina.

The family NEVER went to Georgia (owing to the mistake between Murray County Georgia and McNairy, Tennessee - where the record of Jacob Lemons is found, 1820 census showing the family in McNairy County. I already checked. They did have slaves.

And the Lemons family of Oregon is notorious for longevity. In fact Mary's 3rd great granddaughter reached 90th last December and is living in Forest Grove, just "few" miles from Hillsboro (my aunt)

BTW, the paragraph in which the photo of her with her grandson, John Wesley Lemons Sr) is an impossibility. Never heard of that story. Only that John did NOT come alone, he came with his widowed mother (wife of William Isaac Lemons) and 1 brother and 2 married sisters and 1 unmarried sister in 1870.

Will be hard pressed until that family bible is located (it is mentioned in Oregonian newspaper, conviently omitted from the Wikipedia article unless the link is checked.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuelsenwd (talk • contribs) 07:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're telling me all this. I'm just one editor who worked on the article and tried to uphold the Wikipedia concepts of citation of reliable sources and neutral point-of-view. The people who wrote the article did the best they could with the sources they had. You can see the article's page history for everyone who worked on the article. Anyhow, this is better discussed on the article's talk page, which is where I'm going to copy this. Thanks for contacting us. If you have reliable sources for any of the above information, feel free to contribute it to the article. Katr67 (talk) 07:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Page

Destructo 087's Hidden Page
Well done finding Destructo's Hidden Page--Destructo 087 22:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Here you go, Destructo.

Userpage piracy

Avast! I boarded ye when ye was sailin' from the cabin and pillaged me some of yer stores. Now off I be! Zab (talk) 13:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Proudly displayed. Zab (talk) 10:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of ECONorthwest

An article that you have been involved in editing, ECONorthwest, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ECONorthwest. Thank you. User A1 (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

List of Portlanders

Hey K- what's the point of this list, and I guess, do you have reason to think those on it *want* to be on it? Just because they've maybe focused on PDX in the past, doesn't necessarily mean they're not interested in more...and VT, in particular, has been pretty heavily involved in Columbia River and Cave Junction, Oregon, off the top of my head. Anyway, just thought I'd check. Also, any thoughts on the press release stuff? If I don't get any feedback, I'm not sure how comfortable I am sending it in the name of the project -- makes me wonder if I'm accurately capturing people's sentiments? -Pete (talk) 00:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah! Got it. Sorry, I totally misunderstood what you did. Thanks! -Pete (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes research is fun. Check out the last sentence here. Can you imagine, a little thing like death getting in the way of one's carreer?
“ John E. Dempsey (1862-1895) was the U.S. middleweight boxing champion. He was the first Jack Dempsey and one of the greatest boxers of all time. He was defeated only three times out of 65 contests. [19] He died at the Portland home of his wife's parents, Mr. and Mrs. James Brady. His funeral from St. Francis' Church was one of the largest in Portland. [20] His early death, caused by tuberculosis, stopped his career. ”

-Pete (talk) 01:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Roffle! Katr67 (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Our weekly COTW message from WPOR

Welcome to another wonderful world of WP:ORE COTW. Thanks again to those who lent a hand improving Pinto Colvig and Cooper Spur ski area this past week or so. This week we return to the High importance Stubs, with the mighty Seal of Oregon and former governor and legal superstar Sylvester Pennoyer. To opt out of these messages, or suggest an article, swing by here. Or to stop receiving any WPORE messages just remove your name from the list of members at WP:ORE. Auf Wiedersehen. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Glencoe, Oregon

When you have a chance, could you see if OGN has anything to add? Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Will do, I've been meaning to check... Katr67 (talk) 21:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
P.S. I was wondering if it should go in the unincorporated communities cat as well as the neighborhood one? Since it used to be its own community. That's the standard I've been using anyway. Katr67 (talk) 21:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
That works for me. I'm not really a communities expert, that's you job. ;). I'm the old dead guy, guy. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Omega Phi Gamma

Hi there:

I noticed that you've been editing an article that I authored on Omega Phi Gamma, and have been removing one of our alumni that is a "non noteable" mayor. Per Wikipedia policy on verifibility, this item is noteable given that this is on his city webpage at http://ci.madras.or.us/city_council/councilors_hale.shtml and it was published in a local paper (which was cited), but I removed it a while back since the link to the newspaper has been outdated. If you must make any edits, please discuss it on the discussion page or my talk page rather than just deleting things.

Thank you and have a good day. Victor8698 (talk) 05:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Will he pass WP:NOTE or WP:BIO? If not, he's not notable by Wikipedia standards, which is the consensus used around the wiki for who should be included in Notable Persons sections. That is, notable people should be wikilinked and there should be an awfully compelling reason that the link is a redlink vs. a bluelink. I don't doubt the information is true or verifiable, he's simply not notable by Wikipedia standards, though I'm sure he's a great guy. If he's notable, please write an article about him. Though mayors of small cities are usually not notable. Katr67 (talk) 05:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
If you take a look at other Fraternity and Sorority pages for their alumnus, many of them have alumni that don't have their own Wikipedia page - some of them aren't even cited. Under noteability, local officials can be cited as long as there are enough reliable sources to prove it; for example, being on an official city website would be enough to prove noteability (I have talked to a few other people on Wikipedia about it and it seemed to be enough). I know many alumni of Omega Phi Gamma that have gone to have successful careers in fields such as law and medicine, yet they're not listed because there's not enough noteability under the guidelines. As for the lowercase titles, I didn't revert that back because the new way follows Wikipedia guidelines. I understand Wikipedia is a free community and you are making edits in hopes of making Wikipedia better, but please stop trying to make a point out of this article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor8698 (talk • contribs) 06:24, March 2, 2008
And please don't throw out an accusation of WP:POINT. You will note that POINTY edits are disruptive, and mine were not. I don't have any point to prove, I'm just trying to make the article in compliance with Wikipedia guidelines. I was actually going to check in with Wikipedia:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities to see what their standards are, and you will note I left the entry in and did not revert it back. But I'm dewatchlisting this since you seem to have matters well in hand. In closing, you might want to read about assuming good faith and ownership of articles. Good luck with Wikipedia. Katr67 (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright, maybe that was a little too rash - I apologize. But thanks for all of the advice. Happy editing! 66.68.110.221 (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Not to but in, but on your claim that a city website would bestow notability on the mayor is completely incorrect, as is your idea of what notability is on Wikipedia. First, read WP:NOTE (WP:BIO is a subset for people), it is not really about verifiability, that is a separate issue and policy under WP:V. It can be verified I was born in a certain city on a certain day, and that I went to certain schools, but that does not make me notable in anyway whatsoever. It is coverage in reliable sources (see WP:RS for what that means on Wikipedia) that are independent of the subject (i.e. the mayor here) that provide substantial coverage. Generally, mainstream newspapers, magazines, books, journals, and their online imprints are the best examples of reliable sources. In the case of the mayor, the city's website would not be independent, thus it cannot be used to establish notability. Its not about proving someone is/was mayor, it is about establishing that they are worthy of note. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yummy, tastes like chicken!

The Resilient Barnstar
For surviving being bonked, and not killing anyone (at least as far as I know). Welcome back. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I made at least two rude gestures, but I don't think I've killed anyone. I can't speak for my evil twin though. Katr67 (talk) 02:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Eugene "Debbs" Potts

Wow…you fixed my mistake really fast. Were you watching the page? --Kakofonous (talk) 23:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

See the FAQ. ;) Katr67 (talk) 03:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

PA status

How does one get all of the information necessary to make a Wikipedia page that meets the PA status? Creamy3 (talk) 17:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what PA status is. But if you are interested in the quality scale, start here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ. Katr67 (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Ratings

Hi Katr67, how are articles rated for importance and quality? Do you know what the page for Duncan Gibbins would be rated? Thanks. --Creamy3 (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Importance is different for each project. Why don't you check in with WikiProject Films? See their page on assessment. As for quality, this appears to be start class, but again check with the film project. Katr67 (talk) 22:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

For noticing KRRC (FM). That was a fun article to write, I was surprised to find such good sources online! -Pete (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 7 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Malheur Reservation, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--—Dark (talk) 10:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Old Buildings and Pictures

Greetings from WP:WikiProject Oregon. Blah blah blah. This week we have our semi-annual Picture Drive and a article creation drive for the NRHP List. For the picture drive, go take a picture, or find a free use one (lots of links to gov sites above) and upload it Wikipedia. For the National Register of Historic Places, find a red link on the main Oregon list or one of the county lists at start a new article. If its more than just a stub, don’t forget to nominate it for a DYK! Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Salem First United Methodist Church

Updated DYK query On 15 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Salem First United Methodist Church, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 10:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Page

Image:Fooled-you2.jpg This user has been fooled by Destructo_087.

--DestructoTalk to me 02:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)