User talk:Mtsmallwood

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contents 1 Notability of George M Shaver 2 Shaver Transportation Company 3 Infobox steamboat 4 Steamboats 5 About show preview 6 Steamboats 7 License tagging for Image:Long Beach WA RR station rebuilding 3-25-2000.jpg 8 Steamboats of the Columbia River 9 Klipsan Beach Live Saving Station 10 Minto 11 Hello 12 Request 13 Small observation 14 Wikipedia:WikiProject Washington/New Articles 15 Another source 16 Steamer Umatilla 17 Style guide & image thumbnails 18 Everett Massacre 19 Lyle Zapato 20 AfD nomination of Lyle Zapato 21 Article from 1896 22 Cascade Locks and Canal 23 License tagging for Image:Pea Island Station USLSS, circa 1890.PNG 24 Speedy deletion of Steamboats on Cowlitz River 25 Sample text for steamboat/water transport stub articles 26 See also 27 External links 28 References 29 multiple consecutive edits 30 Pea Island Life-Saving Station 31 Image copyright problem with Image:Sternwheeler Portland, under Burnside Bridge, 1995.jpg 32 Puget Sound Mosquito Fleet 33 Commercial vs. military coding for ship infoboxes 34 Invitation to join WikiProject Ships 35 Question 36 Dix DYK 37 Lakewood, Washington 38 columbia steamboats template 39 Image copyright problem with Image:Idaho (sidewheeler).jpg 40 SS Umatilla 41 Eliza Anderson (sidewheeler) 42 Duplicate images uploaded 43 Shipwrecks/references 44 Thank you for your quality articles! 45 Salem, Oregon 46 Images and Commons 47 A request 48 Navboxes 49 DYK 50 Colonel Wright (sternwheeler) 51 Above Wenatchee Reach 52 DYK nomination of Shoshone (Snake River sternwheeler) 53 Archives pix - yes 54 Steamboat article names 55 BC Provincial Archives 56 DYK nomination of Lytton (sternwheeler) 57 DYK 58 Labouchere (paddle steamer) FYI

[edit] Notability of George M Shaver

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on George M Shaver, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because George M Shaver seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting George M Shaver, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Feel free to contact the bot operator if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. To see the user who deleted the page, click here CSDWarnBot 23:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shaver Transportation Company

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Shaver Transportation Company, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of the page. -- Signed by Wolvereness^{t c} 23:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You've got a little time to add enough information to establish this company's notability, but I see you also have the same problem with Shaver himself. Best of luck. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 23:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox steamboat

You put this page in the wrong namespace. It should be Template: Infobox steamboat instead of just Infobox steamboat. I moved it for you. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steamboats

You should talk to User:CindyBo, she likes NW steamboats too. Katr67 08:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About show preview

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In the future, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. Katr67 20:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steamboats

Hi Mtsmallwood, Thanks for the nice compliment on my talkpage. It's great to meet another wikipedian interested in steamboats. It is a topic that needs a lot more coverage here. I've started several articles but have really only scratched the surface in BC. Paddle steamers were such a huge part of our early history and played a larger role than many people realize, and I'm sure the same must be true for Oregon. One thing I've always found interesting is that many of our paddle steamer captains came from there, like William Irving (steamship captain) and John Bonser (steamship captain). It's hard to find the details of their early years, much of the history is already being lost, it seems. Any information you've come across to add to those articles, please feel free. Some parts of quite sketchy. What I find nice, is that the pictures are usually old enough that the aren't copyrighted and they can be used freely. Another page you might like to work on, that needs some TLC, is Riverboat. WP:Ships is also an interesting place to browse around for articles and other people with similar interests.

Anyway, I really enjoyed your articles, T.J. Potter and Wide West and look forward to talking to you again. I haven't been able to do as much on here lately, but am hoping to get back into the swing of things soon.CindyBo^talk 05:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Long Beach WA RR station rebuilding 3-25-2000.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Long Beach WA RR station rebuilding 3-25-2000.jpg. Wikipedia gets thousands of images uploaded every day, and in order to verify that the images can be legally used on Wikipedia, the source and copyright status must be indicated. Images need to have an image tag applied to the image description page indicating the copyright status of the image. This uniform and easy-to-understand method of indicating the license status allows potential re-users of the images to know what they are allowed to do with the images.

For more information on using images, see the following pages:

• Wikipedia:Image use policy
• Wikipedia:Image copyright tags

This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. If you need help on selecting a tag to use, or in adding the tag to the image description, feel free to post a message at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --OrphanBot (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steamboats of the Columbia River

A tag has been placed on Steamboats of the Columbia River, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing no content to the reader. Please note that external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article don't count as content. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Liekmudkipz (talk) 21:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Klipsan Beach Live Saving Station

Hey, no problem! Well, at least, very little problem. The other day somebody pointed me to the Elkman infobox generator. All I did was put in the name of the site. As for the architect, if you've got a source that says something different, I would change that, the generator isn't perfect. Good luck! Murderbike (talk) 06:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minto

Hi Mtsmallwood, Just caught your message. I'm not aware of anything on the Minto currently. I think we're still missing lots of sternwheeler articles. Skookum1 was working on Vessels of the Lakes Route article and there is the List of ships in British Columbia that are works in progress. I think most of the BC sternwheeler articles I started or came across can be found in Category:Paddle steamers of British Columbia.CindyBo^talk 21:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Very impressed with your work on steamboats on the Columbia. I just made a few edits to Steamboats on the Columbia River, mostly just standardizing to Wikipedia style guidelines. Let me know if you have any questions, I've done a lot of work on Columbia River articles and am always happy to do more. This is really a great addition to the encyclopedia, and I hope you stick around!! -Pete (talk) 01:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Do you think you could add a paragraph or two about the steamboats to the Columbia River article, maybe in the Navigation section? I'd do so myself, but I'm not sure I'm familiar enough with the history to properly hit the high points. -Pete (talk) 09:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small observation

I suspect that the J.N. Teal was named after Joseph Nathan Teal, a Portland businessman who was a big proponent of development along the Columbia. His speeches were quoted at an exhibit I saw last spring at the Maryhill Museum. -Pete (talk) 09:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've got a bit of to-do list for Oregon-related liberty ship namesakes, and yes, according to one of the sources I found this sounds like the same Teal. See: [1]. If I ever get around to writing about him, I'll let you know. Katr67 (talk) 05:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Washington/New Articles

I've noticed that you've done some very nice work creating and enhancing various PNW articles during the past two months. To help raise the visibility of your new articles, let me suggest that you announce them on Wikipedia:WikiProject Washington/New Articles. That way, persons with this page on their watchlist will know when you've generated new content. Thanks! Myasuda (talk) 14:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another source

In case you haven't run across it, I just found an interesting chapter of Harvey W. Scott's 1891 History of Portland, on river navigation. You can access the book online here, and it's chapter XIII, beginning on p. 248. Accounts from James W. Nesmith and William Strong (Oregon judge) are recounted verbatim, and discuss many of the topics you have covered in your recent articles. Might be worth a look! -Pete (talk) 22:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steamer Umatilla

Mr. MTsmallwood. Thanks for updating/expanding the Ilwaco RR and N page. I just placed a post to get it started, but not having the book, I had few details. A question....do you have any info on the pioneer steamer Umatilla c1860? wiki...sfsorrow2 go thru the history of Ilwaco or Blewett Wa to get the citation and leave a note, tnxs

More than one vessel was named Umatilla. There was a Umatilla steamship that was wrecked near Point Wilson on September 29, 1896. (this per McCurdy, page 9). This was the same ship that struck Umatilla Reef in 1883, and was abandoned by her crew, but later salvaged by Captain John A. "Dynamite Johnny" O'Brien. (See McCurdy at 20). Newell and Williamson in Pacific Coastal Liners report that this ship was built in Chester, PA in 1881.Mtsmallwood (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No this is a sternwheeler c 1860. There was a sea going liner with the same name and one that Jack London travelled on. Not the same vessel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.199.158 (talk) 05:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Style guide & image thumbnails

You might want to review Wikipedia:MOS#Images. This is the reason why I've taken out the thumbnail size overrides from Ilwaco Railway and Navigation Company. Brianhe (talk) 02:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Everett Massacre

Hey, I presume you're the anon IP that added/changed a bunch of stuff, and it looks a lot better. Good job! Murderbike (talk) 01:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Does somebody care if you don't login? Murderbike (talk) 01:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

not that I'm aware.Mtsmallwood (talk) 02:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, i'm not real good with template code, but the Mosquito Fleet template (which is REALLY good) looks really huge in this article, do ya think we could hide it? Murderbike (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lyle Zapato

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Lyle Zapato, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Lyle Zapato. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 08:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Lyle Zapato

An editor has nominated Lyle Zapato, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyle Zapato and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 01:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article from 1896

THE INLAND EMPIRE NEEDS; PLANS FOR MAKING THE COLUMBIA RIVER NAVIGABLE. The Canal and Locks at the Cascades Already Opened -- The Dalles of the River an Obstacle. December 6, 1896 New York Times. Also this link: [2] Enjoy! -Pete (talk) 06:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cascade Locks and Canal

On 11 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cascade Locks and Canal, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 05:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Pea Island Station USLSS, circa 1890.PNG

Thanks for uploading Image:Pea Island Station USLSS, circa 1890.PNG. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 05:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Steamboats on Cowlitz River

A tag has been placed on Steamboats on Cowlitz River requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Greenguy1090 (talk) 04:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sample text for steamboat/water transport stub articles

[edit] See also

[edit] External links

[edit] References

v • d • e Steamboats of the Columbia River and tributaries Steamboat articles by routes Columbia River (lower) • Willamette River • Cowlitz River • Columbia River (Wenatchee Reach) • Colville River • Arrow Lakes • Slocan Lake • Lake Chelan • Lake Okanagan  • Skaha Lake • Kootenay Lake & Lower Kootenai River • Columbia Lake & Upper Kootenai River Particular vessels Alaskan (sidewheeler) • Altona • Athlon • Bailey Gatzert • Beaver • Colonel Wright • Eliza Anderson • Fleetwood • Georgia E. Starr • Georgiana • Hassalo (1880) • Idaho • Lot Whitcomb • Lurline • Nez Perce Chief • Olympian (sidewheeler) • T.J. Potter • Virginia V • Wide West • Willamette Chief (1874) • Wilson G. Hunt Portages, locks, and canals Cascade Locks and Canal • Celilo Canal • Willamette Locks • Columbia Canal Steamboat Lines Harkins Transportation Co. • Ilwaco Railway and Navigation Co. • Okanogan Steamboat Co. • Oregon Railway and Navigation Co. • Oregon Steam Navigation Co. • Shaver Transportation Co. • Bonner's Ferry and Kaslo Transportation Company • Alberta and British Columbia Exploration Company Geographic Features Columbia Gorge • Cascades Rapids • Celilo Falls • Dalles des Morts • Arrow Lakes • Columbia Lake Steamboat owners and captains John C. Ainsworth • John Bonser • James W. Troup • Henry Villard Builders and shipyards Jacob Kamm • John J. Holland Shipwrecks Shipwrecks of the inland Columbia River • Steamboat Inspection Service Lists of vessels Steamboats on the Columbia Modern ferry routes Wahkiakum County Ferry Steamboats in other areas Oregon Coast • Yaquina Bay and river • Coquille River • Puget Sound • Lake Washington • Grays Harbor • Chehalis River • Hoquiam River • Willapa Bay • Lake Crescent • Nechako, Stuart & Upper Fraser Rivers • Skeena River • Stikine River • Yukon River • Lakes Route • Inside Passage • Thompson-Shuswap • Peace & Finlay Rivers • Lower Fraser River & Harrison Lake

[edit] multiple consecutive edits

Hi Mtsmallwood, Thank you for all your hard work on Steamboats of the Oregon Coast. You received a message awhile back you seem to have overlooked—or not heeded—about using the preview function instead of saving edits. The way you're doing it creates extra work for us who watch articles changes, and creates needless extra database entries. We'd all appreciate if you could condense your series of edits into one larger edit. (Of course we understand the need to do an immediate minor edit to fix overlooked typos.) The "show preview" function should suffice for checking that everything works as intended. The boilerplate wikipedia warning is:

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In the future, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thank you.

Thanks. —EncMstr 04:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

(response also left on sender's user talk page) I assume you're talking about Steamboats of the Coquille River, a new page which IMHO is a fine little article. It has images, sources, and no OR. It has a navbox which I created myself. It takes me a bit of work to make an article look good on the screen, probably because of my own lack of skill I guess. But every edit I made to it was fully described in the edit summary. I was deliberate in doing that so that people could more easily track the edits if they wanted to. After doing all that, the first comment I get on the article was yours, and you don't contribute anything to the substance of the article or even say anything about the substance but mention only the number of the edits. I've seen many articles with more edits and less detail in the edit summary. Mtsmallwood (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Just this regarding your response to EncMstr: WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, and on the last point you make WP:OTHERSTUFF. Experienced editors have no problem tracking edits using the page history and the consensus is to use the show preview button on edits to ensure an article looks good on the screen, and combine the small edits where possible to reduce strain on the servers/database. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) As indicated above, Steamboats of the Oregon Coast was my primary example, but all your contributions show the same pattern. Your edit summaries are excellent, as is all your work. My point is merely that you may achieve the same effect (to see what an edit looks like) by pressing "show preview" instead of "save page". Try it! My purpose in bringing it to your attention is that you might not have understood how lots of edits merely minutes apart affects watchlists, recent changes, and page history. You're already doing A work. I'd give you an A+ if you did it in fewer edits. Thanks. —EncMstr 19:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

okay, pax, will try to use fewer edits (have been using preview button however.)Mtsmallwood (talk) 21:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pea Island Life-Saving Station

On 18 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pea Island Life-Saving Station, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 05:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Sternwheeler Portland, under Burnside Bridge, 1995.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:Sternwheeler Portland, under Burnside Bridge, 1995.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 00:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Puget Sound Mosquito Fleet

Just a quick note of thanks for your article Puget Sound Mosquito Fleet. I've lived here all my life, and heard about the Mosquito Fleet in passing, but didn't know nearly as much about it as I do now. A regular run from Seattle to Hoodsport? Who'da thunk it? Nice work. Travisl (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

More cool info; thanks. I think I've seen (and walked on) some of the remnants of the Mosquito Fleet docks when I was geocaching in Olympia and Gig Harbor. I may be mistaken, but I think I also remember one near Brownsville, Washington. Travisl (talk) 17:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial vs. military coding for ship infoboxes

Just a quick FYI: I noticed on some of the ship articles, such as Athlon (steamboat) and a couple of others, that you appear to be using the warship coding for the infobox. The documentation at {{Infobox_Ship_Begin/doc}} provides information for commercial vessels as well, which is slightly different. One of the biggest differences being that the flag and country information goes into the "Ship registry" field, instead of being prominent at the top of the section. The reasoning for this difference is that warships actually belong to the country (so the country name and flag are prominent), while for commercial vessels, they usually belong to a company so the flag is a less prominent form of identification. There are some other minor differences between the fields used by the commercial vs. warship coding as well. Some examples of commercial ships to look at would be the M/V Hiyu, the M/V Rhododendron, or the MS Westerdam. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to join WikiProject Ships

Hello Mtsmallwood! I noticed your contributions to a ship article, and thought you might be interested in WikiProject Ships, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of ships of all kinds. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! - Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question

What do you, or your sources, know about Ben Holladay? The article and several sources say he had a lot of involvement with steamboats, but no details! Also, I just noticed you've never been invited to join WikiProject Oregon! What an oversight. Please take a look and consider joining, we've got a good group and could use your insights and diligent research! (Look on the talk page too, especially at the stuff about the press release; I mentioned your contributions to the steam boat history. Hope that's OK!) -Pete (talk) 02:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response about all that. Sounds like the mention of him as a steamboat guy are slightly exaggerated, but thanks for the context. I'm also curious if you're aware of this article's existence: Historic ferries in Oregon. Seems like it might be up your alley, and could probably use some expansion! -Pete (talk) 17:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dix DYK

On 2 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dix (steamboat), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 18:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lakewood, Washington

You've contributed a lot to Puget Sound area articles. Would you be willing to take a look at the debate I'm having at Talk:Lakewood, Washington and do whatever you think is best? Travisl (talk) 16:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. No need to get involved if you don't want to, of course. FWIW, the link in question, www.cityoflakewood.org, directs to a personal site with no relation to the official city site, www.cityoflakewood.us. WHOIS shows that it's registered to Puget Sound Domain (no idea what that is), and that the site's technical contact is "ismail arslangiray" -- a name similar to the guy making the edits. Travisl (talk) 18:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] columbia steamboats template

Your latest inline comment reads:

(deleted Canadian Pacific Railway link (separate navbox for BC steamboats now))

I don't understand; if this template is about the Columbia River and its tributaries, then Canada shouldn't be in a separate box; unless the template is retitled to "Columbia River steamboats in the US". Cross-border templates are nothing new, though sometimes unwieldy e.g. {{Coast Salish}}. Note that of the redlinks the Lakes Route, Stikine and Okanagan Lake are all Canadian waters, though American ships were involved (many of the the same steamers on the Lower Fraser, the Stikine and the route to and from the Stikine via the Inside Passage in t he 1860s had previously served on the Columbia, some on the Sacramento....the Yukon routes were not just Nome-Fairbanks-Dawson (few made it) but from Bennett Lake down the Yukon, via Whitehorse, to Dawson.....anyway, some clarity; which new infobox for Canadian steamboats on Columbia & tributaries? Why does it have to be separate? And re the CPR, I'm reasonably certain that there were subsidiary operating companies, not the railway itself except maybe at Balfour, British Columbia, which was a component of the southern mainline.Skookum1 (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Idaho (sidewheeler).jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:Idaho (sidewheeler).jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 15:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi mtsmallwood; I think the license tag this needs is {{pd-50}}; there's another for picutres from the B C ARchvies, but the pd-50 is for images gone PD in the United States.Skookum1 (talk) 15:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

See this search at BC ARchives, which is for the Umatilla, which I just redlinked/added to Umatilla. I think there were two, as a history of Gastown I had used a picture of a stern/sidewheeler type vessel on the Fraser; the one in the archives photos appears to be a later-era type of vessel; maybe they'e the same; the Umatilla of the 1860s, which was occasionally pilot by Gassy Jack himself. AFAIK it was a Columbia River vessel before it came to the Fraser, or Puget Sound anyway, but I don't see it on your steambmoats template....Skookum1 (talk) 17:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SS Umatilla

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships#SS Umatilla. You're better equipped to start it than me, methinks....Skookum1 (talk) 08:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eliza Anderson (sidewheeler)

I was just doing a bit of patrolling and came across this. Nice work! A couple of queries - Shouldn't the title be PS Eliza Anderson as per WP:NC-S? In several places you refer to the ship as the Anderson instead of the Eliza Anderson. Lastly, you mention a "fair war" which I think you mean to be a "fare war". Mjroots (talk) 09:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate images uploaded

Thanks for uploading Image:St George Reef lighthouse plans.jpg. A machine-controlled robot account noticed that you also uploaded the same image under the name Image:St. George Reef Lighthouse (plan).jpg. The copy called Image:St. George Reef Lighthouse (plan).jpg has been marked for speedy deletion since it is redundant. If this sounds okay to you, there is no need for you to take any action.

This is an automated message- you have not upset or annoyed anyone, and you do not need to respond. In the future, you may save yourself some confusion if you supply a meaningful file name and refer to 'my contributions' to remind yourself exactly which name you chose (file names are case sensitive, including the extension) so that you won't lose track of your uploads. For tips on good file naming, see Wikipedia's image use policy. If you have any questions about this notice, or feel that the deletion is inappropriate, please contact User:Staecker, who operates the robot account. Staeckerbot (talk) 06:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shipwrecks/references

Hi MT- a suggestion on the references section: how about keeping all the works that are not already used as inline citations, and renaming the section to "Further reading"? This is commonly done, and I think would be useful to the reader -- you've assembled an extensive collection of references, why get rid of them? -Pete (talk) 14:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your quality articles!

I'm a regular watcher of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/New articles so that new ship articles can be tagged for the project. I find that it is very rare for a new article to meet B-class right away but yours are well sourced, neat in appearance, include photos and footnoting and meet the requirements for a B-class article. I have marked several of your articles as such and wanted to let you know so that you don't get discouraged. Despite all the complaining I see in topics above this one, you're not damaging WP, you're improving it. Please continue. --Brad (talk) 16:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Salem, Oregon

Hello Mtsmallwood,

thank you for adding the Salem River front image link section, I'm not really sure if that is an appropriate section for the article. I think article guidelines discourage lists of external image links, perhaps it would be better to start a page Historic waterfront Salem, Oregon or similar. Thanks.Awotter (talk) 06:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

My thought was to just markout the links for now, they will still show in the edit field, maybe we can add a Riverfront section to the article. Some of the images I can capture and upload for fairuse when I get the time, or you could put them on a user subpage.Awotter (talk) 07:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images and Commons

Hi again, I just noticed that the images you're uploading are going on Wikipedia directly. It's actually better if you can upload them to http://commons.wikimedia.org , where they are available to other Wikimedia projects as well (like WikiNews, Wiktionary etc.) I think the only ones that are supposed to go directly on Wikipedia are those that are copyright, but are under Fair Use in a WP article. When an image is on Commons, you still link to it exactly the same way, it just goes and finds it on Commons automatically when it doesn't find it on Wikipedia.

Hope this makes sense...if not, ask away! -Pete (talk) 03:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI: Another way to use the commons is by linking the images within the commons into categories, then a link from the article here can be made to the category over there via the {{commonscat}} template. See MS Oosterdam or Holland America Line for examples of the commonscat template being used in the External links section (the commonscat template is usually added to the external links section, and creates a box in the lower right hand corner of the page). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

In case you didn't notice I replied on my talk page with a couple links. -Pete (talk) 06:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A request

Hi- several of us are currently working on the Columbia River article, hoping to get it to good or Featured quality. The Navigation section is one of the things we're discussing, and I think it could really use the input of someone with your knowledge. Think you could look it over and offer some feedback? Review the Talk:Columbia River page if you like, or just jump in if you prefer. Thanks for any help! -Pete (talk) 03:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Navboxes

I think they look great! No worries about the delay, it had completely slipped my mind. Thanks for pointing it out, though! -Pete (talk) 15:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 30 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Flyer (steamboat 1891), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bobet 17:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Colonel Wright (sternwheeler)

On 3 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Colonel Wright (sternwheeler), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-Pete (talk) 16:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on an interesting and well-written article. It was a pleasure to see it on DYK. Truthanado (talk) 00:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Above Wenatchee Reach

I just checked over the Steamboats on the Columbia River]] and the related Wenatchee Reach article, and I'm curious as to how far upstream the Wenatchee service went towards Kettle Falls. Was there another navigable stretch in between, or did the Wenatchee Reach steamers reach Kettle Falls for the portage to Marcus/Northport and the ships covered in Steamboats of the Arrow Lakes? I've redlinked Columbia (sternwheeler) as I feel it needs an article of its own, which from what I gather you're far more prepared/equipped to write than me (I have only online sources, all my BC history books are back in BC - I'm in Nova Scotia these days - and I never did have much on hand covering Washington). Also I'm thinking that Steamboats on the Kootenai River and Kootenay Lake is the way to go for that article, when it's written, given that service to Nelson started from Bonner's Ferry; I'm unclear as to whether the Kootenai was navigable up to Cranbrook and points between; was there service above Bonner's Ferry?Skookum1 (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK nomination of Shoshone (Snake River sternwheeler)

Hi. I've nominated Shoshone (Snake River sternwheeler), an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on April 6, where you can improve it if you see fit. Black Falcon ^(Talk) 23:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

On 11 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Shoshone (Snake River sternwheeler), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archives pix - yes

See my reply to your query at User talk:Themightyquill#BC Provincial Archives.Skookum1 (talk) 00:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Steamboat article names

Hi; I'm not sure which of the steamboat articles/temples to take this up on, eventually on eadch of those involved....I've already suggested a minor change to Steamboats of the Upper Fraser River in British Columbia - dropping the "in British Columbia" part - but since then, given the scope of other articles, I'm thinking that Steamboats of the Fraser, Nechako and Stuart Rivers in British Columbia fits the bill, as there'll be a Steamboats of the Lower Fraser River or Steamboats of the Lower Fraser River and Harrison Lake because I'm not sure the Port Douglas traffic can entirely be separated from the Fraser traffic (I was going to put them in Vessels of the Lakes Route); similarly "and Pitt Lake" is in the equation...Steamboats of the Lower Fraser River and Pitt and Harrison Lakes is kinda unwieldy; Pitt's not so much steamboat-era though... (and "vessels" might be better because of famous barges adn tugs..or those could be their own articles I uppose); most of these were also Georgia Strait steamers, and many had ben on the Columbia, even the Sacramento.....a general History of steamboats in the Pacific Northwest as a survey article might coordinate all these. The other renamings I've wondered about are Steamboats of the Arrow Lakes and middle Columbia River, Steamboats of the upper Columbia River, Columbia Lake and Kootenai River...I know in the stateside perspective the Wenatchee Reach is the middle...but even in the main Columbia article, somewhere down near the Dalles is "middle"; so Steamboats of the Arrow Lakes and Columbia River would suffice; so much of the route is Columbia River I don't think it can be left out of the title; ditto with the Columbia Lake situation, though how far they went down the Columbia from there I've yet to figure out. In the case of the Kootenay Lake and Columbia Lake-based articles (unwritten) I'm favouring the American spelling of Kootenai, based on the length of the river in the respetive country, which is why Okanogan River with two 'o's. I supposed in Columbia Lake's case it might be Kootenay River depending on the length from Canal Flats to the border vs the border to Libby. Was there no water connection between Libby and Bonner's Ferry? Also I'm curious about the Lake Pend Oreille boats - did they make it to the Columbia, i.e. to Trail, Castlegar Trail et al? Anyway just thinking more exactitude on the names we need to get around to at some point; I hesitate to launch t he Kootenay Lk and Columbia Lk articles without knowing which spelling of Kootenay to use; with the Arrow Lakes one it's just so much of the story is Columbia River.....it should be in the title.Skookum1 (talk) 00:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BC Provincial Archives

I haven't pursued it any further, but I don't see any need to. They know that, legally, they don't have any claim over the images, but if they admit that on the website they can't really ask for funding. Wikipedia is full of (cropped) images from those archives, and they haven't made a complaint yet. Template:PD-Canada applies though... 50 years if it's a government photograph. If it's not gov't produced, it's 50 year after the life of the author, unless it was produced before 49. Any photographic image published in Canada in 1912 in undoubtedly Public Domain, and you can do anything you want to a PD image, including cropping however you'd like. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 01:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK nomination of Lytton (sternwheeler)

Hi again! I've nominated Lytton (sternwheeler), which you created for WP:DYK (see the proposed entry here). I tried to write the hook using information that is fairly unique to the article; I'm not sure if I succeeded, though... :P Black Falcon ^(Talk) 07:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

thanks, I'll see if I can think of something to add.Mtsmallwood (talk) 14:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 26 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lytton (sternwheeler), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 03:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Labouchere (paddle steamer) FYI

Not sure what else you might ahve to add; bio articles on namesake family/company seem called form but mostly English history (see google for this name).Skookum1 (talk) 22:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)