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[edit] WP:Perth/WP:WA

Note:message left at both WP:WA, and WP:Perth

I am here to propose the deletion of the WP:Perth project. My reasons are as follows;

  • It appears to be un-used: no edits to talk page since Jan 18th [1]
  • Any collaboration efforts can be more centrally managed through WP:WA.
  • Most contributors (or previous contributors) of WP:Perth, have since moved to WP:WA.

Any thoughts on this? Thanks. Twenty Years 16:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Reasonable proposition I think - WP:PERTH seems to have unfortunately died, whilst the talk page for WA (the newer project of the two) is used informally as a noticeboard by members on both Perth and WA Wiki topics, and has been for over a year. Originally the idea was to wait till other states became organised, but it may be an idea, as we were with having a state project to begin with (which every state now has), to set the way for others to follow :)
The way we normally do it is tag the old project historical, remove its subpages and move the articles across under WP:WA (this can be done with a flick of the templates so doesn't really need major AWB work or anything - we can talk to Longhair if there's any issues, as he understands these things far better than I do). This would allow us to centralise our ratings system, which at present is split between two counters (Perth counter (841 articles) and WA counter (2400 articles)).
Question then is - would Perth articles be better off, worse off or the same being under one roof with WA? A combined total of 3,200 articles is not unreasonable, and with the category and template systems (eg for train stations, suburbs, roads etc) I think it will change very little in practical terms for users. That's my thoughts anyway :) Orderinchaos 17:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
One question that came up before - WP:PERTH is a descendant project of WikiProject Cities. There was some question of us losing this if we lost Perth. However I note in the time since, WP:CITIES has changed its scope quite substantially and that Cornwall, Devon, West Midlands and North East England to list just four now come under it. Orderinchaos 17:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I think this is a good idea. —Moondyne click! 02:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Ditto. Hesperian 02:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Too many wikipedia projects start and fade away - some do have poor patches - and a month or two is neither here or there - irrelevent when you see some projects on wikipedia - however the process of change should allow for some delay before it happens - I would not support sudden change on this SatuSuro 03:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I think its a good idea to combine them, maybe WP:PERTH could become a Task Force. That way we retain article activity(enough to keep them scotlanders off the name) but move the bureaucratic activity into WP:WA, until in the future its redevelops critical mass for independence. Gnangarra 05:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll see what I can find out about task forces - that's probably the best solution. (And whatever way, we must keep WP:PERTH as a lot of links outside of our project go to it.) Orderinchaos 06:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
(ec) Keep, if that decision is ours to make ... It is conceivable that some editors would only be interested in the scope of that project, just as I have an interest in the 'Western third' of Australia. I rarely use the resources of WikiProject Australia, nor would I be interested in contributing to its talk page. WP:Perth's talk page is a useful resource, especially for new editors - it was for me. The scope of WP:WA may be too large for contributors focused on the Perth region, I do not consider this project to be a sole parent (or antecedent). The point raised about WP:Cities is worth considering, most people live in metropolitan areas (cities) - the scope of state projects is the bit they fly over to get to other cities. I think it is reasonable to suppose that other editors will invest time in that project, there is plenty to do: Flora of the Perth region anyone? cygnis insignis 06:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I think we're agreed it was useful but no longer is - its talk page is chronically inactive for a project with reasonable scope, and most of the key work gets done through here. It appears the consensus is not strongly in favour of staying where we are, but is in favour of keeping Perth as a separate category within WP Western Australia. It's been suggested that a task force is the best way to resolve this. As such I propose to relocate WP Perth to Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia/Perth task force, redirecting WP:PERTH to that location also, and reserving WikiProject Perth in the event that demand later requires it. I'm happy to put in any work necessary to resolve any incongruities. Orderinchaos 23:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photo request

I'm looking for a photo of a car registration plate that says "Home of the America's Cup". There must be some still around. —Moondyne click! 02:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out while driving around Gnangarra 05:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
What a perplexing claim to fame, we should explain that it was due to our "State of excitement". cygnis insignis 06:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Can you imagine what it was like to see advertising with the phrase Relax in a State of Excitement did for us at the time?
As for the number plate I would estimate about 5 percent or less of cars on the road in the metro area would still have that horrible 'auld mug' number plate - and they would be showing signs of wear and tare by now :( SatuSuro 08:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
If this is still needed, I came across one on Flickr with a CC licence: [2] Somno (talk) 06:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Added to Vehicle registration plates of Australia and 1987 America's Cup‎. 10:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
A very belated thanks!. Moondyne 09:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Incorporation of WM Australia

Per m:Wikimedia_Australia/Incorporation#Incorporation_meeting, they're proposing to hold an incorporation meeting on either Sunday 13 April or 20 April. Some suggestion of meetups around the country for this. Can we get some Perth people together on one of those dates? (It's literally just before I leave for Melbourne again, so I'm free.) Orderinchaos 14:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Graphic overload

Hi we have an issue at some of our railway line articles where there is now more graphic material than we can cope with - and not a ref or cite in sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremantle_railway_line%2C_Perth

I believe as a project we need to have consensus as to graphic information and where we have a limit or not - comments please fellow project lurkers SatuSuro 07:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

One of the images clearly had copyright issues so I removed it. Orderinchaos 08:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

A big problem is the enthusiasm to put duplicate graphic information as well as blocks of info and not one cite or ref is there - SatuSuro 08:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Geelong railway line, Victoria is a good example of where the Fremantle railway line, Perth article is heading. Not that I find these articles useful in any way... but they do grow over time. -- Longhair\talk 08:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks u guys for makin me feel bad

Hi Jlong 2008 here!!! the Creater of that map on the fremantle line... Thanks for making a 13yr old's feelings hurt... i put lots of effort into that! There is no coopyright issues in it i think... The bus logo i made my self. The writing is just random writing i found on my puter, i got the colours as close as possible and also... it was made originally for an english assignment! I got lots of praise from my computer teachers and art teachers for that!... they watched me make it!!! so anyway... now I've made ones for all the transperth and transwa lines for no use now! plus i was just making the pages a bit more attractive. One user from the perth thingy said that it would be a great idea for me to make one for every line... which i did! i even made the station signs to go on the station pages.. but who care bout that... now i feel bad bout wat i did... BYE! --Jlong2008 (talk) 08:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Please note that just because you make some images - does not mean they might be - suitable without going through a process to make sure they are ok - there is nothing to feel bad about - you just have to be a bit more patient rather than saying bye - you have to understand there are things about online encyclopedias more than bit more attractive - there are processes to understand what is already in an article - and what can go in and what cannot. If you actually hang around a bit longer than a day - and actually readup - you could well find other areas that your obviously good computer skills could be put to use - just because a couple of us have an issue - does not mean you might not be able to help in other areas - change your mind - stay around and have a look at a bit more - you might be suprised to find there are other area where your skills could be of great help! SatuSuro 08:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
It looks good, and you've done a great job with them - nobody ever said otherwise. You've clearly put a lot of work into it. The problem though is that when you upload images to Wikipedia, you're "publishing a work" as far as the law is concerned (whereas with an English assignment it doesn't generally go beyond the school), and once you get into publishing, that comes under laws which say that you cannot exactly copy a corporate symbol, even if you draw it yourself and go to some effort to do so, and then claim it as your work - it still belongs to the company that designed the symbol and they have to give Wikipedia permission to republish it, and to allow others to republish it from Wikipedia. Wikipedia being as big as it is (it's the 8th biggest site in the world according to one of the rankings) can theoretically get sued by copyright holders, and so Wikipedia has come up with a copyright policy in order to protect itself, so that it can remove images which violate that policy and can defend it against claims. That is what has happened here. Like SatuSuro said, there's a lot of different areas to work on and we'd love your help (there's never such a thing as too many volunteers). There's a lot of articles where images are sub-standard or an image is needed where none exists - some of these are listed at Wikipedia:Requested pictures. Orderinchaos 09:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jlong2008

I was thinking about starting again - i thought of making station signs like they do on the sydney and brisbane ststions... is that a good idea?Or Not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlong2008 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The West Australian

Increasingly cites from wikipedia and this morning (Saturday 15th) - edition an article is written with a refutation of the wikipedia version of west australian political history - it is clearly we are now 'open game' for the journalists of the west to either play with (using full grabs for their info please page)or bat against.

So suggestion - is anyone for a sub page of this project to tabulate hist and misses by local media? It is interesting to note as the West is only local daily neswpaper they even now channel corrections (page 3) - as if they know what they write about - their lifting material from wire sources no longer gets cited (cf the australian) and they write as if they do not have to tell us their sources - perhaps we need to keep them in check when they cite us :| SatuSuro 04:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

What page? Hesperian 05:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
West Weekend Magazine, 15th March 2008, article titled 'Left, said Fred' - first two paras - Wikipedia states that... then second para Fred Riebeling knows better SatuSuro 06:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Page 8. Refers to 2nd sentence in Joseph Gardiner. Big deal. Firey Fred has some inside dirt (apparently unpublished) on Gardiner's motives for departure, but that hardly refutes the article. Also, I think its stretching it to see that as an attack on WP. —Moondyne click! 06:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I never stated specifically attack on wp - more a use for a story starter - SatuSuro 06:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood. —Moondyne click! 06:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

No problems, the way I wrote above could be easily taken that way - I still think a sub page on their use of WP in any sense would be an interesting exercise SatuSuro 06:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The thing is, if the West want to use WP, all power to them. Thats what the encyclopaedia is for, after all. —Moondyne click! 06:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Spooky. I knocked this out on thursday. cygnis insignis 07:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to deal with this in some detail, since I'm the one being quoted. For those who haven't seen it, the article is question is a Len Findlay profile on Fred Riebeling, one of the longest serving members of Parliament in Australia, who is about to retire. The opening couple of paragraphs read

Wikipedia states that Joseph Peter Gardiner's "sudden and still unexplained" departure from WA in 1914 was an important factor in the collapse of John Scaddan's Labor government.

Fred Riebeling knows better.

The longest-serving Speaker in a mainland State Parliament has on his office wall a beautiful picture of Gardiner with his new fiancee, Mary Alice Holman, taken in 1913 when Gardiner was the member for Roebourne. The pair married on May 9, 1914 but never lived together. Riebeling explains: "Her father took Gardiner aside and told him, 'I don't like you and next time I see you I will probably kill you.'

"Gardiner shot through and Labor lost the subsequent election.

The disappointing thing about this is that a superficial read will lead to the impression that Wikipedia doesn't know what it is talking about. However, a more thorough read reveals that Riebeling's position is consistent with ours in asserting that Gardiner's sudden departure was an important factor in the collapse of the Scaddan Government. The only point of difference is that Riebeling reckons he knows why, whereas we claim that it is "still unexplained". Findlay is therefore not saying that the article is wrong. He is trying to show us how Riebeling knows all sorts of stuff that is not mainstream knowledge. In doing so, he holds up Wikipedia as a bastion of mainstream knowledge, and shows how Riebeling knows stuff that even we don't know. I'm prepared to take that as a backhanded compliment.

Secondly, if Findlay wanted to give an example of the insight into WA political history that Riebeling has by virtue of being a long-serving minister, he could have done a lot better than choose an event that happened nearly 40 years before Riebeling was born, and nearly eighty years before he won a seat in Parliament. Findlay insinuates that Riebeling has privileged information, but Riebeling certainly does not. Riebeling wasn't there; he wasn't even born yet. And he doesn't have any privileged access to archival material that isn't also available to the WA parliamentary historian David Black, who writes of how "the governement lost Roebourne to the Liberals on November 17 at a by-election brought about by the mysterious and still unexplained departure from the state of the sitting Labor member" (A New History of Western Australia, p. 386) and how "the Labor Member for Roebourne, J P Gardiner, left the State in mysterious circumstances" (The House on the Hill, p. 100). The fact is, Riebeling is here dealing in parliamentary scuttlebutt, scuttlebutt that Black didn't think worth repeating.

Finally, I see that this has already been added to the article. I agree that it merits adding, but it needs to be done carefully, so as not to attribute Riebeling with more authority on the topic than he actually has. Also, if we're going to add Riebeling's point of view, we might also add Colin Jamieson's, which is that "Gardiner's departure arose from the failed marriage" (The House on the Hill, p. 144).

Hesperian 10:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Aboriginal history of Western Australia

To re-jig this all to become a good pair of articles - the history and the timeline need help with copyedit, chasing refs and general cleanup - please join in.

The timeline and the article are symbiotic - and the lead paragraph of the history has yet to be written - and many smaller items in the timeline do not really belong to a west australian article - any suggestions to editing to maintain integrity of the list and article would be apprecited - thanks SatuSuro 02:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Transperth train line map

I am currently making a transperth trainline map like the one on their trains - it will have some extra information on it unlike their one!--Jlong2008 (talk) 09:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Replied at Jlong2008 talk page. —Moondyne click! 10:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Portal - changes possibly needed

Anyone interested in doing some changes at the portal (so we can take off the under constructions sign?) SatuSuro 00:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I must admit I didn't even know we had a portal... Somno (talk) 01:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Perth, Western Australia

The population figures are being changed almost every day at this stage by IP's - and intrepid admin mark tries to hold the fort - anyone interested in resoliving this issue at all? SatuSuro 12:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, seems the change the anons are making (replacing 1,445,078 with 1,507,900) is actually also from the ABS [3], just they're not referencing it. Somno (talk) 01:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I changed it and added the reference accordingly using the new pop_footnotes field. Orderinchaos 02:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trouble at Perth Mint?

Can I get a review of my revert here please? And perhaps some eyes on the article for the next few days. Hesperian 23:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Good call. Crappy source with the first line saying "Yesterday, I got into a bit of trouble by writing that the NorthWest Territorial mint was bankrupt, which they are not", which is telling methinks. —Moondyne click! 23:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that first line grabbed me too. I finally took the time to read the whole thing, and Crikey! we're in deep here. This is not just a dubious edit to Wikipedia we're talking about; this is the very fulfillment of the prophecy of Revelations 17-18! Hesperian 00:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Somehow I'm not seeing the Whore of Babylon in there :D Any point in getting the site shitlisted at meta? Orderinchaos 00:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Absolute rubbish - well reverted SatuSuro 01:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Perth Stations

Mciver and claisebrook have extra histery on their pages... Midland and Armadale/Thornlie line Stations are now in the works. I'm finally trying new things now .. Yay.--Jlong2008 (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Signpost

For anyone who hasnt noticed - a preponderance of western australian editors starred in credits at the australia wikiproject item http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost SatuSuro 02:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gliding

On a recent hunt for refs for Caversham airfield - found the following - Lance Muir, Richard Duckworth, N. Hyde, (1946?) Flight without power - the art in Australia [videorecording]1 videocassette (VHS) (12 min., 2 sec.) : si., col. with b&w sequences ; 1/2 in. PAL format [State Film Archives collection] Showing the activities of gliding clubs in the various Australian states. Shows local enthusiast, Ric New, and activities at the bases of operations at Lake Pinjar (Pinjar Soaring Club), West Subiaco (WA Flying Club) and Caversham (Perth Gliding Club) in 1941 and 1946. WA segment is appr. 3 mins.

The interesting bit is West Subiaco (WA Flying club) - does anyone have the slightest whether that means a ground - or airfield - anyone know where it might have been ? SatuSuro 02:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You may be refrring to the Subiaco Aero Club (c.1929) which was associated with Greg Baker and the Maylands aerodrome. See [4] I don't know where it was exactly but it was also known as "Brooklands". —Moondyne click! 03:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
maylands A/f was on the river at the end of the penninsula(hangers became police academy, now workshops)
Caversham is up near whiteman park now RAAF property, still an East west runway, the North/south is now Lord St
Plus the still in use Sth Guildford, Pearce, Jandakot, Yanchep, Murray field. Bit of OR the catalinas used to operate off the foreshore below UWA so it may have been associated with that the foreshore in that area(RPYC - Steve's or the area west) is similar size to the esplanade in the city. Gnangarra 04:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

West Subiaco Aerodrome, McGilvray Oval opposite Perry Lakes and behind CSIRO.[5] There's even a map. —Moondyne click! 07:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

interesting, presume that we need to consider it a potential article. Gnangarra 12:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Thats a brilliant link moondyne - good stuff! Thanks for answering the question with such an inforative link - very spekky SatuSuro 05:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] article

How unfortunate - as articles they are neither a proper disambig, nor developed nor referenced nor really notable (in a few senses) - what a rather stupid decision SatuSuro 05:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Anyone? ( rather than putting in a to- do somewhere)

Esplanade_Hotel on wikipedia at the moment links to a (expletives deleted) hotel in melbourne - anyone got the loot on the perth and freo establishments of the same name? SatuSuro 05:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

freo one should have something as it was a restoration for the mug race and is heritage listed[6], the perth one unless its got some other association(architect, criminal event, owner etc) its not really notable. Gnangarra 06:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
also assessment and listing entry Gnangarra 06:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Perth one was very much like the barracks arch for many - the rot had set in - most of the old st geos terrace had been flattened to make way for crud - and the espanade hotel was notable in that it was like the terrace buildings given the chop without much of a bleat from the pollies or any cos here was no legislation to preserve anything at that stage (1972)

Henrietta has enough to make it one of the notable hotesl that got the chop before any legal constraints were available to government to say hey! also connection with harper family,

  • Wainwright, Janet. The demolition of Perth's older hotels. West Australian, 30 March 1985, p.16

Bedford Hotel (Perth, W.A.) Esplanade Hotel (Perth, W.A.) Paddington Hotel (Perth, W.A.)

  • Controversy over removal of verandas from Perth buildings (1950s on), especially the Esplanade Hotel's verandas. Demolition of the hotel in November 1972.]

Published Gregory, Jenny. City of light, p.114+, SatuSuro 06:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

What about the Esplanade in Albany? I hear that one just got demolished, or is going to be. - Mark 09:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Indeed thats three significantly notable esplanade hotels that need disambiguation and articles, sigh SatuSuro 12:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

And while you're at it, don't forget the Palace Hotel, Perth, which was built on the site of the Freemason's Hotel which was owned by Julian Carr, Mayor of Perth. —Moondyne click! 02:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Is that the Grand Palace that's now a posh Chinese restaurant? - Mark 02:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC) No, the palace remains are incorporated into the base of the bankwest tower corner william and the terrace SatuSuro 10:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Palace Hotel, Perth is now up. —Moondyne click! 01:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Major maintenance issue in the Perth task force (um no on pointed it out to me I didnt even see it happen...doh) - there is a potential need to do a list of historical/notable hotels in Perth history - the Esplanade, the Palace, and the remaining facades of hotels on the hay street mall as well - or an overview article that could link - either way - a similar article or list could be done on the former cinemas/theatres - capitol theatre, etc etc - if Perth is gonna be amalgamated with WA - the urban/cbd/ issues need to be somehow sustained as the to do list for Perth CBD still requires work SatuSuro 10:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Heritage Council of WA website

[7] Seems to have been down for at least the last several days. Does anyone now if its been moved? —Moondyne click! 02:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

No just having trouble to get up again from its changes - dont wait for it - might be a bit longer yet SatuSuro 02:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, its up now. —Moondyne click! 01:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Biogaphy issues - other opinions sought

I'd like to invite general comment on the inclusion or otherwise of some material in the Estelle Blackburn article which is questioned by Cygnis Insignis. The details can be seen in the talk page for the article. As I've pointed out on my talk page under the heading BLP this has the potential to affect other articles/references, the "Claremont" article in particular. I also post this to the Australian Wikipedians' notice board Retarius | Talk 06:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, only one comment received, from Gnangarra, on the discussion page for the article. I concur with his proposed modification and, as five days is a fair whack of the goanna's tail, I call this meeting closed. Retarius | Talk 08:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Whoa - not yet - general wikipedia procedure which is being usurped here is that third parties who have no interest or involvement close something - not the editor who raises the issue. Please note SatuSuro 00:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I think the particular change being suggested (Gnangarra's) is reasonable, though on Wikipedia nothing is ever genuinely "closed" as people can continue to edit as they wish. Orderinchaos 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

As an uninvolved third party I'm happy to call this closed. Cygnis isn't around at the moment, so there's no point waiting for his blessing. He can always re-open this upon his return. Five days is plenty of time. Let's make the change and move on. Hesperian 00:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photographs

This may be of interest to people with recent picts of WA, it may also be of interest to watch and maybe contact the photographer if a place needing has a picture added. Gnangarra 11:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Classical/Popular distinction

Anyone have an opinion whether a similar distinction could be made of Perth in comparison with the Brisbane separation:-

interested in opinions SatuSuro 09:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I think "Classical culture" sounds a bit non-specific and wanky. Is it meant to be a historical article about the culture of Brisbane, or about current (classical) operas and theatre productions etc? Either way, making such a distinction between high-brow and low-brow culture is inherently POV. - Mark 10:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
We don't even have an entry defining or even disambiguating it (yet): classical culture --Melburnian (talk) 10:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
OK ok - I am not endorsing the split - merely observing another project has tried it on and curious about the reaction - perhaps - just perhaps it should have gone to the national project noticeboard just to see the country wide response (at times as quiet as the wittenoom pub bar mind you) SatuSuro 10:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WA Portal

Remember the WA Portal? Well, it would like your suggestions for articles and pictures to feature! If you have a little time, please nominate quality articles and pictures (generally rated B-class and above, but can be Start-class if on an important topic - refer here for criteria) related to WA. The portal is queued to automatically update the selected article monthly, but weekly would be preferable eventually. We can queue large numbers of articles in advance to avoid the need to update it every week. Thanks, Somno (talk) 03:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I am glad someone has the portal on life support. Stuff from me (et al., of course) that is IMO good enough, and mainstream enough, to feature on the portal: Featured articleBanksia brownii, Featured articleBanksia epica, Featured articleBanksia telmatiaea, Banksia rosserae, Banksia victoriae, Banksia violacea, Banksia sessilis, Featured articleYagan, Moondyne Joe, John Forrest (but no inline refs), Convict era of Western Australia, Members of the Western Australian Legislative Council, 1832-1870, Tryal Rocks, Flora of the Houtman Abrolhos, North Island (Houtman Abrolhos), Esperance Plains, Mallee (biogeographic region), Warren (biogeographic region). If you get desperate I can provide another ten or so that are up there in terms of quality, but are rather esoteric e.g. Banksia subg. Isostylis. Hesperian 03:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

I have just proposed the following "Did You Know" at [8]:

=== Articles created/expanded on April 30 ===

I am hoping that the fact that it includes references to two separate articles may be given some weight. Lindsay658 (talk) 23:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Swan River Colony article

Early visitors and attitude : - Current reading of this article (and recent edits) suggest an attitude of disfavour about swan river area - my memory (and i cannot place the ref easily) is that is not a NPOV line of argument and that such a conclusion is a shallow reading of sources - anyone? (Also posted at wa project noticeboard) SatuSuro 01:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Advice/Disclaimer issue

(posted at Meekatharra talk page where this emanates)

Wikipedia does not give advice - is there any opinion either way on the section as found - removal or re-wording?

My suggestion would be: -

Travel in the region like all outback regions of Australia requires care - check local authorities for advice and information - any thoughts? SatuSuro 03:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

wow it must have been monday when everyone actually had to do some work - no answer in a day - hmmm SatuSuro 08:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd replied at the talk page of the article. Orderinchaos 08:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Section removed - anyone coming to this issue late - over the last year or so - every now and then articles about townsites and locations at the edge of the big deserts get small sections irregularly placed which say 'take care' do this and do that' - they constitute advice - and as shown here - are removed SatuSuro 10:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is there a Francophile in the house?

The French Wikipedia has a brief article on renowned Perth zoologist fr:Albert Russell Main, but Alas! the English wikipedia has nothing. Want to have a crack at translating it? Hesperian 12:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The art is a straight pinch from http://www.asap.unimelb.edu.au/bsparcs/biogs/P004064b.htm nothing really to translate -SatuSuro 12:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh. Very well. Hesperian 01:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Why not. The "What links here" link shows that the main article is List of zoologists, which includes 48 australians. Do you want those red links all translated or just Main ? Comte0 (talk) 23:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures galore

Regans Ford: it ain't pretty, but it sure is encyclopedic.
Regans Ford: it ain't pretty, but it sure is encyclopedic.

I asked the guy behind http://www.eneabba.net/ if he would release his dozen-ish photos of North Island (Houtman Abrolhos) under CC-BY-SA, so that I could use them on the article, and he has responded by releasing all of the photos on his site, I think over a thousand in total. They aren't very big, but many of them are quite well done. I think we'll be able to make good use of them. Orderinchaos, there are plenty of towns for you. There are over 500 wildflowers for Melburnian, Gnangarra and me, including Gastrolobium for SatuSuro and Verticordia for Cygnis Insignis. Moondyne, you may find some birds pics for your List of Western Australian birds. Geographic features, animals, visitor attractions....

I've passed the permission on to Wikimedia, but haven't got an OTRS ticket yet. Don't let that stop you uploading anything that takes your fancy; just follow what I did at Commons:Image:Regan's Ford, Western Australia and you'll be right.

Hesperian 14:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I can confirm the email has been received by OTRS when uploading please put {{PermissionOTRS|ticket=https://secure.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=1527489}} {{CC-BY-SA-3.0}} in the permissions field, also maybe we should create a category for the images to keep them all together as a group. Gnangarra 16:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
It's certainly an impressive collection of photos - there are several hundred of wildflowers alone. The eneabba.net site is quite extensive [9] and contains some "fair use" material - am I right in assuming that Photoalbums is the section that has the website's own original photos, i.e. the ones that can be used? Melburnian (talk) 00:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
He gave us permission to use "any images from eneabba.net", but as you say he doesn't have full rights over everything there, so we must ensure that we only upload photos that is entirely his IP. Roughly speaking, this corresponds to the stuff in "photo albums", but even that section contains a few we can't use, such as a set of photos of Salvador Dali works. Hesperian 00:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I've added images to Eneabba, Western Australia, Toodyay, Western Australia, Moore River (Western Australia), Lancelin, Western Australia, Yallingup, Western Australia, Dongara, Western Australia‎, Walkaway, Western Australia, Murchison River (Western Australia)‎, Watheroo National Park‎, Three Springs, Western Australia, Mullewa, Western Australia, Walga Rock, Coorow, Western Australia and Regans Ford, Western Australia. Hesperian 13:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Very impressive - and an excellent addition to the project to have images like those - thanks hesp for the effort! SatuSuro 01:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks very much Hesperian - that will be a useful addition to many of our articles. I'll have more time to look into it in a few weeks. Orderinchaos 06:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Added wildflower images to: Anigozanthos humilis, Banksia carlinoides‎ , Conospermum incurvum, Darwinia neildiana, Gastrolobium rubrum, Verticordia grandis and Xylomelum angustifolium. --Melburnian (talk) 09:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Things that flutter by in the night time

For those not familiar with the other side there are numerous Xfd discussions that involve neither editors from WA, or australia for that matter - who can and do change the structure of parts of our project - a good example: -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_April_29#Category:Western_Australian_Football_League

not that it really matters too much - but if you happen to see any live WA issues - it would be appreciated if you bring them to our notice - thanks SatuSuro 08:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually the nominator of that CfD is indeed a West Australian, but he follows the Tuggersmighty Fremantle Dockers so we probably should disown himtreat him with extreme respect. Seriously, User:The-Pope is our most active Aussie Rules editor, so I can't think of a better person to be handling that discussion. Point taken though. Hesperian 12:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Well thats ok then - if hes up there in the scrum thats fine - but regularly items from various oz projects come and go in the night - and in most cases we are none the wiser until its too late SatuSuro 13:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for not raising it here, but I did list it at WikiProject Australian related deletion page and thought it was such a minor, almost just a typo change, did not think it would be at all controversial. At the moment I consider myself only really an active member of WP:AFL, rather than the Aust or WA ones. Might start poking around here more now that the footy season seems less interesting! And Hesperian... don't push me after what happened on Sunday! The-Pope (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Its an inherent problem as most well some of us sandgroppers dont see much past the nullabor. Gnangarra 14:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
My apologies to the Pope here - it wasnt so much his particular cfd issue - its just that many times - things happen in the Xfd departments that proposers do not actually even bother to check to see if a project exists which they could out of courtesy simply add one a post to - but it also works if we happen to see a Xfd issue arise that might have a faintest connection - that we might take the time to relate the issue back to the oz or wa or whatever project - just an idea SatuSuro 01:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Electorates

Any suggestions for what to do with our electorate articles given imminent attention likely to be drawn to them? Orderinchaos 15:43, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA lost'

Argyle diamond mine has lost its GA status SatuSuro 11:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Radio Peking/Beijing in Perth?

It would appear we have a repeater/station here - anyone the wiser? [10] SatuSuro 11:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oh silent noticeboard

Greeting fellow reader - the west article just got a tag in the political backside - although I would not agree - what do fellow project eds who read this quiet noticebard think of the new tag? SatuSuro 10:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the whole idea of rating newspapers for political disposition is just a tar-baby and the info-box shouldn't contain such a thing.
About this noticeboard; I think it would get more use if it wasn't tucked away as a "discussion" page behind the WikiProject Western Australia project page. If it was a project page in its own right like the one for Wikiproject Australia and was prominently linked to on the WA project page, more people would see and use it. Retarius | Talk 04:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Nah, it's just because we're all busy. This place is a veritable hive of activity when we're not. Orderinchaos 10:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll agree with order - knowing about the circumstances of most of the regulars of the past - we will return :( SatuSuro 10:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I thought we was all just contemplating the right combination of words to establish further meaninglessful discussion. Since everybody is around should we startmaking an official meetup for onset of warmer weather or would people like to brave the cooler conditions. Gnangarra 10:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
It will be months before warmer weather returns. Moondyne 11:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)