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Articles

Here are some articles that I have found which I think would fit this project. All are architectural articles but they are well writen and they cover interesting and unique objects/subjects.

Balder - A short article but well written, there is only two simular rollercoasters in the world so it makes it somewhat unique.

Landshövdingehus - Stumbled across this article and found it very interesting, it covers a object which is unique to Sweden.

Gothenburg Opera, Drottningholm Palace Theatre and Royal Swedish Opera - Key article to culture in sweden.

--Krm500 11:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions.
I'm adding articles based on their potential interest to foreigners. As such, I do not consider Balder, Landshövdingehus core articles. One way to determine potential interest, is to look at the interwiki-links to each articles, by which you can determine how much interest there is in the subject world-wide.
I've added Drottningholm and Royal Swedish Opera.
Fred-Chess 14:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

East Indiaman Götheborg is a good candidate. Rumour has it that it might stay in Shanghai until the Expo 2010. --Krm500 11:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I added it. / Fred-Chess 12:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Nordea should IMO be part of the economy section --Krm500 22:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sport atricles: Zlatan Ibrahimović, Henrik Larsson, Nicklas Lidström, Markus Näslund and Frölunda HC. --Krm500 22:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Lund should be added to "cities". --Winterus 15:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

New facts to Project Sweden, please extend and use references: Lars Ernster, Raoul Wallenberg in Budapest: memorial [[1]] and 1945_The_Swedish_Embassy [[2]]

Featured pictures

How about trying too get some swedish related pictures fetured? There are some beutiful pictures that might stand a chance of fetured status. Maybe a picture of Turning Torso or Uppsala Cathedral? Any other suggestions? --Krm500 11:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I know there are lots of nice pictures of Sweden but I have not seen any interest in selecting them and trying to get them featured.... I ran a "Swedish picture of the day" on Commons for a while, but there was very little interest in maintaining it.
Fred-Chess 20:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Assesment?

How about some sort of an assesment project for all the core articles? Rated by importance to this project and the quality of the article? But not only that, it's a way too advertise the project, maybe some new members could come along? --Krm500 22:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

If someone wants to assess articles, please go head. user:Pia_L thought we shouldn't make this too complex and I agreed with her. There are around 10,000 articles related to Sweden, and I don't want to start assessing them.
Fred-Chess 20:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually I would like to start an assessment but there are two problems: first of all, many articles shouldn't be assessed under a general "Swedish" project, but rather in a subproject such as "WikiProject Swedish music" , "WikiProject Swedish history", or similar. Secondly, I have no previous experience with WikiProject assessment and feel uncomfortable starting an assessment department that no-one is interested in maintaining.
Fred-Chess 13:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking that an assesment would be a good way to keep track of the progress. And I wasn't thinking about a full scale 10 000 article assesment but maybe all that are on the project front page. Plus it's a good way to get new members, like a little banner on all talk pages. I could try starting up an assesment but IMO since it's going to be rather small we could just keep it here and not make an assesment/WP:SWE page.--Krm500 15:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Krm500, we would probably need to create one sub-page for each category in need of assessment, since we have so many core articles already. It's just going to be too bulky and hard to manage otherwise, I think. But we can link the statistics to the front page that Fred created so that there's a running tally of how the project is doing as a whole. How about using the code Plange has implemented on the Firefly project as a base for the Sweden project? I copied it to my sand box to see how it works, but I didn't enter any Swedish articles on any assessment page yet: [3]. It's Plange's assessment page which is temporarily feeding into my sandbox now: [4] and it updates the main project page automatically. Best, Pia 14:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Uhm, just noticed Editorial_Team_Assessment and WP:WVWP tonight. So does that mean that we have to be signed up as a sub-project somewhere in order to use that kind of "official" assessment scale then? And does it mean that only some categories (like Swedish literature/art/mythology, etc) can participate? Pia 07:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Eh, yes but I vote for no at this moment. The idea is too use it under Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment Sweden but this could be done at any time and we could get the project started first and see how it goes. Quote from me at in this text -"IMO since it's going to be rather small we could just keep it here and not make an assesment/WP:SWE page."

--Krm500 10:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Krm500, sorry, I didn't understand that part of your statement, basically because I wasn't aware of the Editorial team's involvement with the various projects or the assistance available from them. Were you thinking about just adding a grade after each article on Fred's list instead then? My worries about that kind of assessment is how it would work practically: Would that mean that we are going to discuss the merits of each article on the talk page and then ask Fred to add (or add ourselves) the word "stub", "no references", "needs work", grade 3, class B, or whatever, after each article on his current list? Wouldn't doing it in a "small and easy" version on the current page make for a messy front page with possibly unconventional grading schemes? If we are going to encourage and invite people to assist with the assessment tasks and if we are also hoping to supply an overview of the assessments (in order to keep track of the progress of the project), it would perhaps make more sense to eventually invest the time and use the grading scale that's established already for other projects, as well as the established code that feeds automatically to a front-page summary of how many articles have been assessed and what state they are in at any given time. It will mean hard work setting it up, but after that it's pretty much a community effort that can run on slow, eternally. The assessment pages currently in use supply space for comments, where you can add f.ex "referenced, but unbalanced" or "well written, but no citations" etc to explain your grade. So people can go back over the assessments at any time and up the grade once the problems in the comment are addressed. Still: yeah, it's a lot of work. I'll ask someone at the editorial team, but I assume a first step would mean transferring the list of articles to an assessment page and add the grades "good" and "featured" for the articles that have met official FA and GA status, and then ask people to help enter graded assessments for the other articles, whether they are stubs, or fit in higher on the established grading scale (not GA or FA, obviously, since those are official categories). Even if the total assessment task is not finished until 2026 or so, at least we would have the tools set up to make it happen eventually? Just putting the idea out there for later use then. :) Pia 12:22, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I set up the Assessment department for the Football WikiProject, so in case you/we/whatever decide to start something similar for Sweden, I'll be glad helping in fixing the templates and pages needed for starters. – Elisson • T • C • 14:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we should assess all Sweden-related articles anyways -- within reason. I am not so used to projects. Could you think something up, maybe?
Fred-Chess 18:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Johan_Elisson, you would seem the perfect person to take that on. I think we need to make sure, as a start, that the placing of the "invitation to assess" tags on the various Sweden articles' talk pages is limited to those that are on Fred's official list or the assessment part of the project will quickly swell beyond the scope of the original project and become impossible to manage. When the tag is created, can it say something like: "This article is part of the Swedish article improvement drive, please help assess it. For other articles targeted in this drive, see Project Sweden." or something similar, to limit its use, at least for now? Pia 18:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Sighsten Herrgård

I'm trying to find a reference with information about the Swedish fashion designer and AIDS activist Sighsten Herrgård. He seems to have been quite a significant figure, and I think he deserves inclusion in the List of HIV-positive people. However, this is not possible without a reference, and I've been able to find anything in English. Can anyone help? Thanks. Trezatium 17:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Please ignore the above - someone has found a reference already. Trezatium 20:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Halltorps

Just a little heads up! The swedish related article on Hallstorp (an early Viking settlements on Öland) appeard on the front page of Wikipedia today (5 October) in the Did you know? section. --Krm500 22:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Established or Charter?

I need some help with a choice of words, should I use Charter, Established or something else? I'm working on the Gothenburg article and in the article the word Charter is used for when the city became a city. But everywhere else on Wikipedia, Established is used. The word is for when the city got City status in Sweden. --Krm500 09:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Well we should use the year of charter. You can also say "City in [year]". I don't know what articles you've been looking at but many countries don't have charters (USA for example), but if you look at English cities they will tell you when the city was granted its charter, e.g. equivalent City status in the United Kingdom.
Fred-Chess 11:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
If you haven't noticed, I added some more suggestions in the ToDo box in Talk:Gothenburg / Fred-Chess 11:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I havn't noticed, I'm currently working on a new infobox for the article. Hard too find information though, like for example the area of metropolitan and urban Gothenburg. Or urban area population. When I'm done I'll start working on improving the article.--Krm500 22:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, they can be tricky... http://www.scb.se might have some information. I think that if you look at standard books about Gothenburg, they will usually have this kind of information. The municipal website might also have it. / Fred-Chess 18:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I have added the infobox now, take a look. --Krm500 23:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a note, we should not have such specific infoboxes. That one is only being useful for one single article, which sort of makes it useless having it as a template. I would suggest you propose changes to the general infobox for Swedish cities ({{Infobox Stad}}) instead. – Elisson • T • C • 23:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe a bad move by me, didn't think about much, the idea was to save space in the article. The template however isn't created by me, it's the standard city template from the WikiProject on Cities. Other cities that use the same infobox have their own template page, for example Template:Infobox New York City.--Krm500 00:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

A challenge from Norway

Hi! I have written the list former municipalities of Norway. I noticed that municipality mergers have taken place in Sweden as well, thus we should definitely create former municipalities of Sweden. The Swedish Wikipedia already has some sort of version at sv:Lista över försvunna svenska kommuner, but it is far from complete and lacks references. If someone can provide a good reference, like we have at the Norwegian version, I'll be glad to help in establishing this list! Punkmorten 19:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Good articles

One idea with this project is that members could grant or fail good article candidates, since Swedish people are supposedely better at knowing omission etc of Swedish articles, and the good article works in a non-formal way so that anyone can grant or fail a good article nominee. Is there any interest in reviewing good article candidates? / Fred-Chess 13:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely, I think that it is a good idea but so far we're not so many members of the project so could such a little group of wikipedians pass an article for GA? --Krm500 00:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
It depends if people want to do it. For example, if you nominate articles, I can review them. I've reviewed several articles already. / Fred-Chess 16:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

History of Sweden

Ive read some articles related to the History of Sweden, and this is a point where there needs to be done a lot of work... Most of it is just copied from Encyclopedia Britannica and contains loads of incorrect facts and complete nonsense.

So, instead of writing irritated posts at this project page, I though I should do something about it. I am studying history, so I have some idea what it is all about at least. :-)

Anyone interested in helping along? Maybe we could create a subpage about history to this project?

Nice to see that there is a project page about Sweden, by the way. My regards to all contributors!

--Screensaver 21:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I had planned to write about History of Sweden, as soon as I brought Swedish literature to GA. But an urgent article came up so it will take some more days. You go ahead and start. I recommend the history books by Ingvar Andersson. They are called "History of Sweden" or similar and are available in both Swedish and English.
Fred-Chess 16:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. Ive got a bunch of books as well, but theres always good with some extra. Most of what Ive got is in Swedish as well, and that isnt so good, since "normal" people cant check facts from it. Nice that someone else in interested in editing the topic.
--Screensaver 16:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not very much of a "pure history" buff, but I plan to get the Military history of Sweden article up to FA status some time when I'm finished with all my ten thousand other plans... – Elisson • T • C • 17:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Sounds nice. Im no good at Military history, so its nice that someone else is interested in the topic. We need all help that we can get... : - ) --Screensaver 17:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately I'm having a lot of problems with Talk:Early Swedish history. A user thinks I'm vandalizing the article. / Fred-Chess 22:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Bomässan Bo01 and Västra hamnen

Hello, I found these two articles on the Swedish Wikipedia sv:Bomässan Bo01, and sv:Västra hamnen. Do you think we should have articles about them on en:? Would anyone like to translate them? Regards, DVD+ R/W 23:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Why not? It is part of a major infrastructure reformation of Malmö, I've been there and even though half the place was a construction area I loved it. But I don't have any time to translate the articles right now, sorry. --Krm500 00:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Nordic / Scandinavian task force on WikiProject military history?

It has been proposed on WikiProject military history to set up an either Nordic or Scandinavian task force. If you are intrested in this topic, please comment on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Two_task_force_ideas. Cheers. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Swedish history, kings

Are there any thought on how important the Swedish kings are? Is Swedish history "a history of its kings"?

I added a bunch of kings to the core article section on the project page. Any opinions on that?

How important are older kings such as Magnus the Strong?

Fred-Chess 14:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, the kings usually belong to a dynasty, and that dynasty is most often characterized by a certain politics, f.ex.:
  • Bernadotte (current): peace, trade and development,
  • Holstein-Gottorp (the Gustavians): autocracy, culture and royal mecenacy,
  • Pfalz (palatine, the Karls): autocracy, consolidation, conquest.
I think it's a fitting framework to describe various phases in Swedens history. Said: Rursus 07:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Two short articles to merge

I came across two articles about the same subject, Näsby Park and Näsbypark. After merging the content, the second article can be redirected to the first, as was done in the Swedish Wikipedia. Tim Shuba 08:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I've merged the latter into the former, and copyedited it a little.... does it look alright? / Fred-Chess 17:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the merge. I copyedited it some more. I would have performed the merge myself, but I thought someone in this project might pick up on things I could have missed, especially as I don't know Swedish. Tim Shuba 20:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Ace of Base article re-write

Just thought I would point out that I've re-written the Ace of Base article. It was a mess before ! Hopefully you like the new one. AcerBen 12:32, 15 February 2007 (GMT)

It should be noted that in his edits, AcerBen alleged that the Swedish Anarcho-syndicalist Youth Federation were nazis and/or Sweden Democrats. :S Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 17:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
A little misunderstanding only, and I hope AcerBen can sort us out on this. / Fred-Chess 18:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes I have made a mistake due to lack of research and I apologise. AcerBen 19:58, 18 February 2007 (GMT)

Raoul Wallenberg

Raoul Wallenberg is up for a featured article. Please read the article and leave critical comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Raoul Wallenberg. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 14:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I gave some comments. I could have given them here too, dunno... basically I just think the articles needs more work before it reaches FA quality. Nice work so far though. / Fred-Chess 22:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Members of the Riksdag

Hello. I'd just like to mention I've begun some kind of a one-man wikiproject on our MPs: members of the Riksdag. See User:Jobjörn/Riksdagsledamöter and feel free to help out. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Gray content boxing

Why oh why is the project page GRAY? Why all that useless formating? How about NOT boxing the contents? May I change that? Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 17:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yea, sure , no problem. / Fred-Chess 19:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Liked it better the previous way. --Krm500 00:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Me too. I especially loathe the long list of core articles. / Fred-Chess 16:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to put that into tables again, though. Wikitables, not HTML tables. Although, if I'm the only one preferring the white background... restore it and I won't argue. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 19:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The Emigrants

I created those pages a couple of months ago, put I haven't had the time to make them of decent quality. Anyone wanna help me and contribute to those articles? --The monkeyhate 12:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Film titles

In film titles, the foreign version often becomes the title of the article, so we are having a discussion in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (films)#Capitalization in titles, trying to establish what is correct for each language. We would appreciate if you could drop us a line about it. Hoverfish Talk 21:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured pictures

I just want to point out that a featured picture on Commons is not the same as a featured picture on English Wikipedia.

I think the difference is mainly that Commons featured pictures have less focus on encyclopedic use.

Fred-Chess 09:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage in Sweden

It looks like this article should be updated. I read that a congressman from Sweden presented a report asking for gay-marriage (or something like that). A.Z. 10:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Task force

There has been a small discussion on the Elitserien article talk page about starting up a task force within this project. Basically the idea to give users who focus on ice hockey in sweden, a place to discuss and collaborate our efforts. I don't know if there are any special procedures for doing this so I ask here; Is it ok to start create for example Wikipedia:WikiProject Sweden/Ice hockey? --Krm500 23:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it sounds like a good idea. If Elisson is watching he could probably give further advice, with his experience in the WikiProject on football. / Fred-Chess 13:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Request help with Stor grabb

Hello. Could someone from the project take a look at Stor grabb? The article seems to be of dubious reliability and I'm very tempted to prod it. In any case, the article would need some context. (oh and a category too!) Thanks in advance for your help. Pascal.Tesson 00:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I've slapped a db-nonsense tag on it. It's complete crap and it shouldn't stay even for five days. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 13:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
After searching the internet and looking the article on Swedish Wiki, it appears to be a valid article. Although I had never heard of it before. I'll add references. / Fred-Chess 15:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
?? Somehow, I find these two comments hard to reconcile! Pascal.Tesson 16:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Fred Chess is right. "Stor grabb" is a pretty well known award if you are interrested in Swedish sports and it deserves its own article. The award actually has an article in Nationalencyklopedin. – Elisson • T • C • 16:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Hm. My judgment was all too hasty - Fred Chess and Elisson are right and I am wrong. My sincere apologies. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Norse_history_and_culture

A new project has been started for people interested in ancient and medieval Norse history and culture. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

An invitation to categorize uncategorized Sweden-related stubs

Hello. The categorization taskforce is trying to find WikiProjects interested in using the bot of Alai to identify Sweden-related stub articles which do not currently have a category (besides the stub category of course). If the project is interested, we could create something like Category:Uncategorized Sweden-related stubs (amounting to roughly 200 articles) which could then be categorized by people knowledgeable in the subject, thus reducing the risk of improper categorization. Please let us know on the taskforce's talk page if you're interested. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 00:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Swedish coat of arms

The coat of arms that have been used for a while are starting to be deleted, because of stricter interpretation of copyrights. Some users on Sw. Wikipedia have started to make their own coat of arms in svg format. If you are interested in helping out, you can check commons:Category:Coats of arms of Sweden. There are quite good suggestions at sv:Wikipedia:Projekt svensk heraldik. / Fred-Chess 09:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Ebba von Sydow

Currently under AFD. I'm not entirely sure of her notability, but could someone check out the article. Tearlach 02:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

She is mostly known as a fashion blogger and fashion columnist in Swedish tabloids,but I fail to see how she´s relevant in a larger context.I can´t say that I know whether she´s known at all outside Sweden(I sincerely doubt it) ,but I doubt that it´s motivated to have an article on her in the english version Wiki.There are far more significant people that deserves a biography.//Cecilia Löwen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.34.252 (talk) 16:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidate

Melodifestivalen is a featured article candidate. Comments much appreciated here. Thanks. Chwech | hum-dee-hum-hum 11:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD - Lunds ASK

Editors might wish to be aware of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lunds ASK (2nd nomination). BlueValour 23:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Advice needed on kings names!!

Many kings before "Gustav I of Sweden" (properly known as Gustav Vasa) are badly named. F.ex. the guy that every one know as king Magnus Eriksson (of Sweden) is erroneously called Magnus IV of Sweden, which is very improper (image a slight tone of hysteria here!), since the numbering accounts a guy Magnus Henriksen, a Danish lord that killed (Saint) Eric Jerdvardsson, dad to Canute I Eriksson. Now the numbering of the Swedish kings Charlses, Erics and Magnuses must be removed, since they're nonstandard.

But I need some advice on the names of kings:

  • is Canute I Eriksson really acceptable, or should it be
  • Knut I Eriksson, or (horrors)
  • Canute I Son of Eric??

I cannot decide without some qualified arguments and thinkings. (Or behold Rutabaga Kings!) Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 18:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Knut is the correct common swedish version of the name,Canute is never used.//Cecilia Löwen

Controversial rename proposal, give your opinion!

Eric of Good Harvests should be moved to Eirik Arsale or possibly Erik Årsäll! Or not!! Discuss! Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 19:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion

Why not create an article of Amalia Lindegren (1814-1891), whom was the most notable female painter in Sweden in the Victorian era, and of Lisa Söderman-Lillström or Margareta Maria Fabritz, perhaps the first native actresses in Sweden in the 18th century?--85.226.235.144 11:09, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation of Swedish

Hello, everyone! I try to keep Swedish, which is a disambiguation page, clear of incoming links. (Dab pages should not be linked to because the links are not very useful to a reader; it's better to link directly to the article for the intended sense of an ambiguous word.) Of the eight pages I continually watch, Swedish is by a wide margin the one that grows incoming links (a.k.a. "shrooms") the fastest -- which is strange considering that one of my other pages is English! (I'm looking at it right now, and it's grown about 140 shrooms in the approximately two months since I last dabbed everything.) I'm posting here to ask those of you who participate in the project to please pipe your links to Swedish when you create them. (Examples: [[Swedish language|Swedish]], [[Sweden|Swedish]].) Thanks! --Tkynerd 03:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move for Nobel Prize in Economics

There is currently a survey to rename Nobel Prize in Economics → Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. Your comments in this matter would be appreciated. The RM discussion will close on approximately 4 October 2007. –panda 02:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Citations and ISBNs

The article Norrbro and some 40 other pages[1] cite Stockholms tekniska historia (1985) with a bad ISBN 91-37-08725-1. The correct one should be ISBN 91-38-08725-1. I could go through and correct the ISBN, but perhaps something else needs to be checked as well? Is this a good book and edition to cite? How do you typically handle errors of this kind in this WikiProject? Do you maintain a list of standard literature, and would this book be on that list? After all, it's cited in 40 articles. --LA2 08:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

  1. ^ Geography of Stockholm (where the bad ISBN is mentioned twice), Bonde Palace, Centralbron, Lidingöbron, Västerbron, Norrbro, Stallbron, Riksbron, Vasabron, Riddarholmsbron, Strömbron, Skeppsholmsbron, Stadshusbron, Klarabergsviadukten, Kungsbron, Barnhusbron, Sankt Eriksbron, Ekelundsbron, Djurgårdsbron, Djurgårdsbrunnsbron, Mariebergsbron, Essingebron, Långholmsbron, Pålsundsbron, Malmskillnadsbron, Bridge of Regeringsgatan, Ålkistan, Danviksbron, Skansbron, Skanstullsbron, Johanneshovsbron, Årstabroarna, Liljeholmsbron, Tranebergsbron, Fredhällsbron, Gröndalsbron, Solnabron, Huvudstabron, Sickla kanalbro, Riddarhustorget, Karl Johans Torg, Riddarhusgränd, List of bridges in Stockholm

It was user:Mats Halldin who wrote those articles, so one should ask him. I have no idea. / Fred-J 15:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Mats' userpage says he is "inactive". I came here with this question, as I'm trying to review all ISBNs and literature citations. However, I'm also Swedish, and I have met Mats, who is/was a leading Swedish wikipedian. I'll try to address the issue from a slightly different perspective: The following Swedish ISBNs (91-) are the most frequenly mentioned in the English Wikipedia. Please help me to comment on their quality. Which are good sources that we should cite, and which should be replaced? --LA2 07:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Cited in football articles

Times cited ISBN Quality Title Cited in
211 ISBN 9186184598 (cited twice in each year article?) Svenska fotbollförbundets jubileumsbok 1904-2004, part 1 & 2

IFK Göteborg, Football in Sweden, 2004 in Swedish football, 2003 in Swedish football, 2002 in Swedish football, 2001 in Swedish football, 2000 in Swedish football, 1999 in Swedish football, 1896 in Swedish football, 1897 in Swedish football, 1898 in Swedish football, 1899 in Swedish football, 1900 in Swedish football, 1901 in Swedish football, 1902 in Swedish football, 1903 in Swedish football, 1904 in Swedish football, 1905 in Swedish football, 1906 in Swedish football, 1907 in Swedish football, 1908 in Swedish football, 1909 in Swedish football, 1910 in Swedish football, 1911-12 in Swedish football, 1912-13 in Swedish football, 1913-14 in Swedish football, 1914-15 in Swedish football, 1915-16 in Swedish football, 1916-17 in Swedish football, Torbjörn Nilsson, 1918 in Swedish football, 1919 in Swedish football, 1920-21 in Swedish football, 1921-22 in Swedish football, 1922-23 in Swedish football, 1923-24 in Swedish football, 1924-25 in Swedish football, 1925-26 in Swedish football, Svenska Serien, 1926-27 in Swedish football, 1927-28 in Swedish football, 1928-29 in Swedish football, 1929-30 in Swedish football, 1930-31 in Swedish football, 2005 in Swedish football, 1931-32 in Swedish football, 1932-33 in Swedish football, 1933-34 in Swedish football, 1934-35 in Swedish football, 1935-36 in Swedish football, 1936-37 in Swedish football, 1937-38 in Swedish football, Seasons in Swedish football, 1938-39 in Swedish football, 2006 in Swedish football, 1939-40 in Swedish football, 1981 in Swedish football, List of IFK Göteborg players, List of Sweden international footballers, 1982 in Swedish football, 1983 in Swedish football, 1984 in Swedish football, Kalle Svensson, 1985 in Swedish football, 1986 in Swedish football, 1987 in Swedish football, 1988 in Swedish football, 1989 in Swedish football, 1990 in Swedish football, List of Sweden national football team managers, Ludvig Kornerup, Wilhelm Friberg, Anton Johanson, 2007 in Swedish football, 1892 in Swedish football, 1890 in Swedish football, 1991 in Swedish football, 1992 in Swedish football, 1993 in Swedish football, 1870s in Swedish football, Göteborgs BK, 1994 in Swedish football, 1998 in Swedish football, 1997 in Swedish football, Nordic Football Championship, 1924-28 Nordic Football Championship, 2000-01 Nordic Football Championship, 1929-32 Nordic Football Championship, 1933-36 Nordic Football Championship, 1995 in Swedish football, 1996 in Swedish football, 1957-58 in Swedish football, Allsvenskan 1924-25, 1940-41 in Swedish football, 1941-42 in Swedish football, 1942-43 in Swedish football, Allsvenskan 1925-26, 1943-44 in Swedish football, 1937-47 Nordic Football Championship, 1944-45 in Swedish football, 1945-46 in Swedish football, 1980 in Swedish football, Allsvenskan 1926-27, All-time Svenska Serien table, 1946-47 in Swedish football, 1947-48 in Swedish football, 1948-49 in Swedish football, 1949-50 in Swedish football, Allsvenskan 2004, Denmark and Sweden football rivalry, Allsvenskan 1927-28, 1950-51 in Swedish football, 1951-52 in Swedish football, 1952-53 in Swedish football
94 ISBN 9155231683 Den nödvändiga boken om Allsvenskan
92 ISBN 9163146592 IFK Göteborg 1904-2004
89 ISBN 9185377481 Fotboll: hur världens största sport växte fram
87 ISBN 9171395652 Kung fotboll: den svenska fotbollens kulturhistoria

Cited in Stockholm articles

I created a new template:Ref Stockholm for these. --LA2 10:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Table moved to template talk:Ref Stockholm. --LA2 10:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Cited in military history articles

Times cited ISBN Quality Title Cited in
70 ISBN 9197158445 Sveriges arméförband under 1900-talet (2003)

List of Swedish regiments, Hälsinge regemente, Västerbottens regemente, Norrbottens regemente, Lapplands jägarregemente, Norrbottens pansarbataljon, Dalregementet, Gotlands infanteriregemente, Västmanlands regemente, Östgöta infanteriregemente, Östgöta kavalleriregemente, Livgrenadjärregementet, Första livgrenadjärregementet, Andra livgrenadjärregementet, Upplands regemente (infantry), Upplands regemente (signal), Kronobergs regemente, Jönköpings regemente, Närke-Värmlands regemente, Värmlands regemente, Image:Gotland-reg.gif, Image:Halsinge-reg.gif, Image:Jamtland-reg.gif, Image:Kronoberg-reg.gif, Image:Lappland-reg.gif, Image:Livgrenreg-reg.gif, Image:Norrlanddrag-reg.gif, Image:Varmland-reg.gif, Image:Vasterbotten-reg.gif, Image:Vastmanland-reg.gif, Image:Upplandsign-reg.gif, Skaraborgs regemente (infantry), Värvat främlingsregemente, Swedish allotment system, Image:Skaraborg-reg.gif, Skaraborgs regemente (armoured), List of Swedish defence areas, List of Swedish military areas, Norrlands artilleriregemente, Image:Gotasign-reg.gif, Göta signalregemente, Gotlands nationalbeväring, Bremiska infanteriregementet, Image:Kalmar-reg.gif, Kalmar regemente, Image:Sveaing-reg.gif, Svea ingenjörregemente, Västgöta kavalleriregemente, Västgöta regemente, Image:Norrlandsign-reg.gif, Norrlands signalregemente, Image:Halland-reg.gif, Hallands regemente, Artilleriregementet (old), Image:Sveaart-reg.gif, Svea artilleriregemente, Göta artilleriregemente, List of Swedish signal regiments, List of Swedish engineer regiments, List of Swedish armoured regiments, List of Swedishartillery regiments, List of Swedish logistic regiments, Finska artilleriregementet, Image:Wendeart-reg.gif, Wendes artilleriregemente, List of Swedish cavalry regiments, Image:Gotaing-reg.gif, Göta ingenjörregemente, Image:Bodening-reg.gif, Bodens ingenjörregemente,
56 ISBN 9197220906 Arméns regementen, skolor och staber (1993)
45 ISBN 9187184745 Sveriges regementschefer 1700-2000 (2003)
42 ISBN 9187184230 Från Brunkeberg till Nordanvind (1993)

Cited in articles on Norse history and culture and early Swedish history

Times cited ISBN Quality Title Cited in
11 ISBN 9171929843 Vikingatidens ABC (1995)

Gamla Uppsala, Eric the Victorious, Olof (I) of Sweden, Emund the Old, Stenkil, House of Stenkil, Ynglingatal, Adalvard the Elder, Adalvard the Younger, Osmundus, Unni (archbishop),
7 ISBN 9789174866414 Mats G. Larsson, Götarnas Riken (2002)

Varangians, Suiones, Velanda Runestone, Álfablót, Greece Runestones, Italy Runestones, Varangian Runestones,
6 ISBN 9155025110 Ohlmarks, Fornnordiskt lexikon (1982)

Agne, Gríms saga loðinkinna, Haddingjar, Hjálmþés saga ok Ölvis, Ketils saga hœngs, Sturlaugs saga starfsama,
6 ISBN 9100107891 Svitjods undergång och Sveriges födelse (2006)

Birger jarl, Charles VII of Sweden, Jarl in Sweden, Charles the Deaf, Bengt Snivil, Jarl (title),
5 ISBN 91-89660-41-2 Asa-Tors hammare, Gudar och jättar i tro och tradition (2004)

Wild Hunt (mentioned twice), Gefjun, Kettil Runske, Christianization of Scandinavia,
5 ISBN 91-34-51857-6 Hadenius et al, Sveriges historia (1996)

Consolidation of Sweden, Gamla Uppsala, Uppsala öd, Image stone, Jarlabanke Runestones,

Cited in articles on various topics

Times cited ISBN Quality Title Cited in
16 ISBN 9185496227 Svenska bilbyggare (1984)

Reva, Scania-Vabis, Arlöfs Waggonfabrik, GEA, HB (car), LMV, LT (car), Mascot (car), Ottmar Beckman Cars AB, Rengsjöbilen, Svenska Automobilfabriken, Self (car), Söderbloms Gjuteri & Mekaniska Verkstad, Södertelje Verkstäder, Tidaholms Bruk, ERL (automobile manufacturer),
13 ISBN 9170811539 Peak Sanctuaries and Sacred Caves in Minoan Crete (1999)

Mount Juktas, Karfi, Peak sanctuaries, Minoan Modi, Traostalos, Petsofas, Sacred caves, Kamares, Crete, Psychro, Arkalochori, Tylissos, Atsipades, Vrysinas,
10 ISBN 9175860236 Berömda vidunder (1980)

Cryptozoology, Loch Ness Monster, Mokele-mbembe, Kraken, Kelpie, Lindworm, Mono Grande, Sirrush, Zuiyo Maru, Stronsay Beast,
8 ISBN 915200239X Algulin, A History of Swedish Literature (1989) 287 pp., published by the Swedish Institute

Swedish literature, Swedish reformation and Renaissance literature, Swedish enlightenment literature, Swedish Romantic literature, Swedish realism, Modernist Swedish literature, Swedish children's literature, Swedish Modernist poetry
7 ISBN 9146210873 Svenska Slagfält (2003)

Battle of Fraustadt, Battle of Warsaw (1656), Battle of Holowczyn, Battle of Gadebusch, Greater Wrath, Battle of Helsingborg (1710), Battle of Stäket,
6 ISBN 9789151827384 Stockholms spökhus och andra ruskiga ställen (1993)

Vampire, List of haunted locations (mentioned 3 times), Haunted Mansion (Stockholm), Atlas Vampire,
5 ISBN 91-972705-0-4 Liungman, Symbols : encyclopedia of western signs and ideograms (2004)

Earth, Sauwastika, Five-pointed star, Star (symbol) (mentioned twice)
5 ISBN 91-7133-802-0 Nationalencyklopedins ordbok (2000)

Filmjölk (mentioned 5 times)
5 ISBN 91-630-9389-8 The Seat Belt, Swedish Research and Development for Global Automotive Safety (2000)

Seat belt (mentioned 3 times), Automobile safety, Claire L. Straith
5 ISBN 91-44-37271-X Kliniska färdigheter : Informationsutbytet mellan patient och läkare (1993)

Benzodiazepine, Facial nerve, Nystagmus, Lagophthalmos, Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome

Suggested move Prehistoric Sweden -> Nordic Prehistory

A move I think it fully reasonable. Please comment at Talk:Prehistoric Sweden. / Fred-J 11:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it was moved to Scandinavian prehistory. I wrote a lead for it. In case anyone happens to be interested in early Swedish (Scandinavian) history or has appropriate sources, feel free to help out. / Fred-J 07:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

History articles improvement

Many of the core articles in history are in need of improvement. I had a go at Early Vasa era and Early Swedish history (with some help), but most other history articles are little more than dumps from 1911 Encyc. Brit. They have gotten rough headers, copyedit and images, but it is a long way to go.

and also most articles about kings:

The articles are rather factually accurate, and the language is not bad. But the 1911 Enc. Brit. language is bulky and often contains evaulations of events that isn't suitable for Wikipedia. (such as "Unfortunately the extravagance of Gustavus Adolphus's two immediate successors, Christina and Charles X, caused great difficulties for the new empire.", from Swedish Empire)

The articles are badly structured in how the headers often don't match the text.

Finally, the articles need proper references. EB1911 is not all bad and large part of the article can use it as a reference, but of course inline and not just as a note at the bottom. Other references that can be used are Swedish Wikipedia (if they have inline references), nordisk familjebok, and of course printed books. I suggest works by Michael Roberts (historian), because they were written in English and were often also translated to Swedish.

Fred-J 09:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Swedish Speaker Needed

Can I get some feedback on this site as a reliable source? Thanks, WilyD 17:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Aftonbladet is, in general, reliable. Also try asking :Liftarn about this, since this is apparently an issue that he's involved with. –panda 17:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia Aftonbladet is "the largest daily newspaper in Scandinavia". I also added a ref for Expressen that broke the story. // Liftarn
Aftonbladet is a somewhat sensationalistic tabloid, but I would still qualify it as a reliable source. It is indeed one of the largest daily newspapers in Sweden. henrik•talk 17:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
And I added two English language sources. // Liftarn
Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) and Dagens Nyheter (DN) are probably more reliable. Robert Greer 00:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Långrocken

Is Långrocken real or a hoax? I couldn't find any sources but I only have access to online sources about Sweden. The article claims Långrocken is mentioned in the autobiography of Ture Nerman. Can anybody check that? I find this suspicious: "As many as 18 undercover policemen, dressed in women’s clothes, patrolled the city in their attempts to trap the killer." PrimeHunter (talk) 22:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

It's now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Långrocken. PrimeHunter 22:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Raoul Wallenberg

Hi, this article was a wreck. I didn't have much time, but I tried to make some fairly radical changes to bring it back to a decent state, after a series of edits by Attila Lajos (who wrote his PhD thesis on Wallenberg [5]) that gave the article a rather non-neutral point of view. I hope that by posting here I can draw some attention to it so that someone might be able to give it the time it deserves. –Joke 21:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Swedish language improvement

There has been a drive initiated by panda to improve the old FA Swedish language, but the process has hit a few snags due to misunderstanding and the occasional personal issues between users. I think outside comments by users with interest and knowledge of the topic might make the process flow somewhat smoother.

Peter Isotalo 11:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Swedish language has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. –panda (talk) 03:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Swedish Royalty names

I need help Project members. What's the proper name for the Swedish royal articles? Is it Gustav or Gustaf, Adolf or Adolph, Charles or Carl. Quite a few of the Swedish royalty articles have both in their content. GoodDay (talk) 01:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

It depends on who it is and the reference you look at. However, Charles is the Anglicized version of Carl. If you have specific articles in mind, please list them so that it will be easier to help you. –panda (talk) 02:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

The following articles: Gustavus II Adolphus of Sweden, Gustav III, Gustav IV, Gustav V, Gustav VI, Carl XVI and Prince Gustav Adolf (King Carl's father). GoodDay (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that all of the articles have the "correct" title. Regarding Gustavus (II) Adolphus, the article has the Latin name as he has become known as such in the English speaking world. The other are the standard Swedish names as neither of them have become very known in English under another name. Regarding Gustav or Gustaf, IIRC, the -f is used while the king is alive but is changed to -v when he dies. Don't ask me why though. – Elisson • T • C • 18:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
An old tradition was to use C and F forms for living kings and K and V for those that were dead. Thus, they were known as Carl XII and Gustaf II while alive, but Karl XII and Gustav II after their death. I have no idea how this practice started, or why, but in general it seems that 200+ (and perhaps already 150+) years ago Swedish "commoners" would use different spellings for their own names, as long as they were pronounced the same way.
Here comes the twist: Gustaf VI Adolf, the present king's grandfather, apparently disliked the practice, and told the present king when he was a crown prince that he would like it discontinued. His wish was followed by the new king and the court. Therefore, 33.5 years old, he is still known as Gustaf VI Adolf, as can be seen by se:Gustaf VI Adolf and the article Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden therefore uses a name form that has never been in use in Sweden. My source is an interview with the king some years ago, so I don't have a reference handy, much less in English, but that's the confusing way it is. Tomas e (talk) 13:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, but it sure would be easier if they were all consistant (title and context). Thanks for the clarifications. GoodDay (talk) 18:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Elisa Bernerström

This historical figure is currently up for deletion. If someone could search for any references to her in Swedish and add them to the article and deletion debate that might help keep her on Wikipedia. Nick mallory (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Ljusnedal

I have a suspicion that this article is a hoax, but I know little of Swedish/Norwegian history. Any clarification welcome. Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 16:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Sweden Portal

Hi everyone, just to let you know I've been updating the Sweden Portal to include randomised content. If anyone wants to help that would be great. I've also adapted a WikiProject logo for the portal, but feel free to use it here if you wish. Many thanks, Seaserpent85 16:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

afd

It would be appreciated if someone could take a look at this AfD. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Help wanted with vandal

Hi there. I know this is not part of the WikiProject scope, but we need help from someone in Sweden (to contact the local police or give us insight about how to do it). More details here. Thanks in advance. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 22:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey dude, did you file a WP:ABUSE on that sick perv . That might work the gears of justice on that guy. Drop me a line if that helped out dude. Rio de oro (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Name help

I recently wrote an article on Carl Frederik von Breda, a Swedish painter. My question is that I have seen many different versions of his name and was wondering if there was an official version of his name to use? I will move the article to the correct name if needed, and make redirects for the other versions?

I used this name as it is used by the National Portrait Gallery (United Kingdom), but have also seen "Carl Fredrik von Breda" (National Gallery of Art and Finnish National Gallery), and the Swedish Wikipedia has him as sv:Carl Fredric von Breda. I have also seen various other spellings on the web.

Thanks in advance for any help with this question, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hats and Caps

I strolled across these pages and found some stuff written by Mic, who is listed as missing. Unfortunately, these pages are written from a highly partisan position (anti-Hats to a fault) and lack any citations. As Mic is gone and not available to ask to fix it, I refer this to Wikiproject Sweden: can someone here who knows more on the subject help provide citations and NPOV the articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramidel (talk • contribs) 03:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Swedish food laws

Hi all, I found an interesting note on a email list about Gyromitra esculenta, [6] which was alledgedly made illegal to sell in 1994, but I can't find any other ref apart from this one. Can anyone who speaks swedish find an official government reference for it, as I woud love to reference it on the article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Here [7] is a note from Swedish National Food Administration which basically says it is not fit for human consumption and they discourage its use. It doesn't say it is illegal though. henrik•talk 16:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow thanks for that. Any idea what Stenmurkla literally means? (I'd love to add that with a ref) Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
[Here] is another note, also from Swedish National Food Administration, on how to avoid being poisoned by the fungi and why only restaurants are allowed to purchase the fungi. Philaweb T 22:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
"Sten" is simply stone, and "murkla" is a type of mushrooms, probably morel. henrik•talk 22:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Cool, hate to be picky, can you give me a swedish dictionary as a ref? (Everything has to be reffed these days..) Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) thx Philaweb, that was the sort of info I was looking for. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Swedish language (again)

Disputes over contents in Swedish language don't appear to be approaching any reasonable consensus, and the discussion is pretty much in a stalemate with accusations of personal attacks. The discussion could really use input from other editors. Please see talk:Swedish language#Strindberg for the current discussion.

Peter Isotalo 13:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Eva & Adam (Swedish TV)

I've added a page about the Swedish drama Eva and Adam, it was showed between 1999 and 2001. Don't know if it's really what you are looking for here, but it's a part of Swedish culture. Adam-Kieslowski (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)