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Leo Sayer

Your recent edit introduced incorrect formatting for song titles. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style. In brief, "Song titles" are styled thus, with Album titles requiring italics. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Let It Be

Hi, looks like you moved this page before any discussion was completed. I'm attempting to collect more input on the idea - I don't particularly like the way it currently is. Just thought you might want to participate in the discussions: Talk:Let It Be (album)#Requested move. (John User:Jwy talk) 21:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Explaining your reverts

I've learned my lesson with the same editor a while back, and this morning I reverted an article's edits and published my explanation at the same time. If you're interested in what happened today and before, just look up my contributions and that particular article and its talk page--it's the same article that taught me the "lesson" a while back. HkCaGu (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Review of CfD result

How do I go about getting a review of the decision made at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 31#Category:Intellectually impaired. I'm not happy with the result and feel that it should have been renamed per my comments. I've left a message at the talk page of the closing admin, but no reply as yet. I thought I'd ask you because I always see your name at CfD and figured you would know the correct process for getting a review. I'm still pretty new around here and advice from more experienced Wikipedians is appreciated. Cheers, Sting_au Talk 23:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I don't think a deletion review is what I'm after? I never liked the original category's name anyhow. My problem is with how the cat has been renamed. Actually, now that it has been renamed. Do you think I'd be better to re-nominate it and suggest the name change I put forward? Or is it too soon after a CfD renaming to do that? Did you read the original discussion? What did you think of my opinion on the renaming please? Sting_au Talk 03:07, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

organizations

Hi Vegaswikian -- since you're thinking about organizations & associations, it would be great to have you also think about a related problem with Category:Non-profit organizations, Category:Charities, and Category:Non-governmental organizations. I brought it up at a related CFD on 12/31 ([link) and the discussion got a little wacky, but I think there's an overview of most of the issues buried in there. Now I have to try to do some sort of comprehensive mega-nomination, I suppose, and I'd appreciate any thoughts you might have in advance of doing all that work. --Lquilter (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I don't see an easy solution. This probably needs to be worked out before another nomination. I'll offer a suggestion even though I may not like it. Use Category:Organizations as a category only category and include all of the types of organizations under it. A question would be do the various subcats get listed directly or by inclusion from the parent? Would require splitting a ton of categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Glad you're thinking about it too! It is a ton of work. I have been picking around the edges of Category:Organizations for a while trying to clean them up, and figure out a solution for the NPO/NGO/charities issue. Multiple people have commented on it here and there over the past few years but I think everyone has been daunted by the size of the issue, and in the meantime, people have done things like try to clean up Category:Non-governmental organizations by creating whole new trees. So now there's Category:Non-governmental organizations by country which includes a ton of country-specific categories, none of which are linked into their individual country trees. ... There's been some discussion at Category talk:Non-profit organizations, if you want to peruse the discussion further. ... Also, do you know of a mac-friendly bot that can help with mass category edits or nominations? I'd like to get all the country NGOs categories at least linked in to their country parents, and probably they just need to get merged. --Lquilter (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, don't know about Mac tools. Right now I'm trying to cleanup the articles in the main category. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy delete request on Crew

Hi there. I've declined the speedy request on this article, as it's definitely not an A7 candidate. The article's been around since 2002, and while I agree it needs sourcing, I'd say it's a notable concept. I'd suggest that if you feel it's delete-worthy, you open an AFD for further discussion. Cheers. Tony Fox (arf!) 03:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

National Historic Landmarks

I think your edit of the speedy renaming queue here [1] may have inadvertently removed most of the categories from the queue. Is someone working on them, or should I put them back in the list? Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 18:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Category discussions

As i have just said also to Katr, I am sorry i was being unnecessarily argumentative and personal in my recent discussion about District of Columb. category renaming. I regret, myself, butting in; i should just go back to editing articles about historic sites which is what i like to do. Sincerely, doncram (talk) 20:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Forest Cabin and NV sources

About sources for other NRHPs in Clark County, Nevada, and specifically looking at Hidden Forest Cabin: you may not be aware of the Elkman NRHP infobox generator tool. I used it to add more info to the Hidden Forest Cabin infobox. See new section in WP:NRHP main page Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Editor help for how to use it (it is simple).

In Clark County, only Hoover Dam is an NHL, so it is the only one that i would expect to have NRHP text and photos documents on-line at the National Park Service (and I added links for Hoover Dam's documents to its articles a while back; the info in them could be used to improve its article more i suppose). I followed your link to the Nevada state historic preservation office and see that it does not offer much. However, you can get the full NRHP inventory/nomination/registration text and photos for Hidden Forest Cabin by requesting them directly from the National Register of Historic Places Reference Team, just send email to nr_reference@nps.gov, giving them the reference number of the site and your postal mail address. Expect a prompt email reply and then expect to receive hard copy by postal mail in a week or two. The NRHP document is a gold mine. Hope this is helpful. doncram (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Corrected infobox link

I disagree with you on the use infoboxes website field. By just putting in the name you are adding extraneous information that doesn't need to be there. The infobox could just be redesigned to have a link that says Official Website.

If you look at the examples on most infoboxes it requests you add the url. e.g. Template:Casino_infobox, Template:Infobox_Company, Template:Infobox_Software --Tvwade (talk) 22:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

  • On another point, please be more careful when reverting edits. You orphaned two images I uploaded during separate edits. Thanks. --Tvwade (talk) 01:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:Musicals by nationality

The Category:Chicago musicals is not being CFDed for the original nomination reason because it is not a category being used for the same reason. The closure and reinstatement is incorrect because the category being nominated for a different set of reasons and should be considered under a separate discussion. The nominator does not present the case that this category should be deleted for the same reasons as the other category so it is going to go down with a whole group of categories that it is not correctly grouped with. Could you please reopen the separate CFD.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. also note at Broadway_In_Chicago#Notable_productions that the statement that Chicago only has reruns of Broadway productions is incorrect. Many shows are performed in Chicago before going to Broadway.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The point here is that there is that several categories are being deleted for because they are musicals created by fooian categories. Category:Chicago musicals is not a musicals created by fooian category. It does not necessarily take consensus. It would just take a responsible admin who is willing to say. It has been pointed out that this debate is about deleting a bunch of musicals created by fooian categories. Category:Chicago musicals is not such a category so its debate should be considered elsewhere. As an admin, I can see your arguments against Category:Chicago musicals are different and so it should be debated separately. In this case, a CFD is being ramrodded by false grouping. I am just getting back from holiday travels and will look more closely at populating the category, but it is not among the musicals created by fooians up for debate. Note it is no longer a subcategory of the main category up for discussion, unlike all other categories at issue. Please talk a moment and be WP:BOLD and do the right thing.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 23:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
P.S. I have dropped a note at the nominators page requesting he consent to a separate CFD.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 23:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Dickson Mounds

You have asked about the title of Dickson Mounds Museum. There have been similar discussions in the past about another historic/archeological site which is: (a) a National Historic Landmark, and (b) owned by the state of Illinois, namely the Grand Village of the Illinois. There is no easy answer to these questions, as the entity that owns these sites is not the same as the entity that grants these sites their standing as National Historic Landmarks; and the owner, the state, has chosen to give some of these sites different names from those accepted by the U.S. federal government.

The Grand Village of the Illinois discussion concluded with acceptance of the name used by the State of Illinois, the owner, in preference to the name used by the U.S. Department of the Interior. I believe this is an adequate precedent and Dickson Mounds should be known as "Dickson Mounds" or as "Dickson Mounds Museum".

Please think about this situation and let visitors to the Dickson Mounds site know what you think. Bigturtle (talk) 00:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of West_coast_rock_school. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Mundokiir (talk) 10:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

North Lake Middle School

I've declined the speedy tag you placed on North Lake Middle School. The reason is:

CSD A7 explicitly excludes schools

For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Categories of categories

I started a discussion about tourism categories here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Minnesota#Category:Tourism in Minnesota. I'd like your input if you have time. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Airline code templates

What exactly is the purpose of all those airline code templates? Since each one only transcludes into a single article (and since none of them would be appropriate to transclude into any other article but the one for which it was created), can't these just be subst'ed and removed from the template space? Cheers! bd2412 T 00:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Actually another user came up with the idea to use templates. The data is transcluded into two articles. One for the codes by first letter of the airline name and the other for a list of all codes. This was split up to reduce the load time for editing. Having the data in one article, as it was to start was very slow to edit and load. This was a solution to allow quicker editing and loading for most user who only want to look at the list by letter. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Ok, I see how that works - but is it necessary to have an article containing all of the codes (that is one huge article, after all)? Compare the division used for IATA airport codes. If there is no second holistic article, the template becomes unnecessary, and all can be on one page for each letter. bd2412 T 01:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
      • The problem was that the data for IATA and ICAO codes and call signs was in three articles with duplicate data. They were never in sync and always wrong and all of the lists were missing airlines. Some editors use the full list to search by code so that solution needs to be available. The only real option here is to split it back out and have a separate article for the IATA codes, ICAO codes and call signs. I'm, not sure how usable that would be since you would not be able to find all of the codes for one airline in one place. Remember that there are many more airlines then there are airports with codes. So two different solutions may be called for. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
        • Hmmm. I don't have a satisfactory response to that problem. bd2412 T 03:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

terror/mass murderer

Hi. I closed the merger discussion after realizing the difference. I understand that mass murderers aren't automatically terrorrosts, but are terrorrists automatically mass murdereres?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that is correct, I'm under the impression that you have to kill someone to be considered a terrorist. If the intention was just to kill yourself then it's plain suicide, and if the intention was to kill others but you were unable, then you are a wannabe terrorist. I thought of a different distinction, however. A mass murderer has to kill a lot of people, but a terrorist only has to kill a few and he is a terrorist as long as they are civilians. Do you think that's correct?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Types of Airports

No, you didn't miss anything. I just though I would be bold and align the cat to Category:Aircraft by type in (what I thought at the time, without checking too deeply) was the "Standard format" under Category:Categories by type. I see now that the standard format is not very standard, but I still don't think the rename is very controversial. I you want we can still put is through the process. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 20:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

White Plains Airport

Thanks for your help/explanation on the HPN deletion page. I wasn't really sure *what* to do since I don't fully understand the intricacies of AfD. That was part of why I kicked it to Project Airports for someone who could help. I had never seen the deletion rationale on the talk page before, so I was confused. Travellingcari (talk) 05:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

assns / orgs in US by state

Hi vegaswikian -- In the recent CFD for state-orgs, you said "Given that the trend appears to be for the rename, someone needs to check the introductions after the rename. They probably will all need to be modified. This would also be a good time to make sure that all of them have the same parent categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 08:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)". What do you mean, "check the introductions after the rename"? --Lquilter (talk) 16:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles S. Panek

Could you explain the rationale for speedy deletion of this article, when there was a hangon !vote in the AfD, claiming that the article was under construction? -- RoninBK T C 16:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I am not the author of the page. I was merely reading through AfD when I saw a speedied closure. I noticed that the hangon-style comment was added from a anonymous IP edit. I reasonably came to the conclusion that the author was a new editor who probably does not have the grasp of policy that you or I have.-- RoninBK T C 21:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletions

Hi Vegaswikian, I've contested a number of the speedy deletion tags you just placed on several aviation articles as I believe the A7 criterion does not obviously apply and that notability is asserted in the article or is reasonably apparent. If you disagree, please take the articles to WP:AFD. Thanks, --Canley (talk) 08:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added more material and references to the articles Airborne radio relay and Insectothopter, hopefully enough to dissuade you from pursuing their deletion. As such I have removed the proposed deletion tags. If you still feel they should be deleted, take 'em to AfD. Thanks, --Canley (talk) 10:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Flight service station and air traffic control

I agree that a more specific cat for this article would be useful, but unfortunately, it doesn't fall under air traffic control. ATC has controllers who give (mandatory) instructions and clearances to pilots and are often responsible for maintaining separation among aircraft; FSS has specialists who give briefings and advisories, and sometimes relay clearances from ATC when a pilot cannot reach ATC directly, but are never responsible for maintaining separation. An FSS specialist is much more like a dispatcher at an airline than like an air traffic controller. (Apologies if you already know all this.) David (talk) 13:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Hello. Why are you removing categories from articles? It looks like the items that have been removed are useful. There may be some overlapping of categories, but this is an advantage for those people that actually use our encyclopedia (as opposed to those of us who are intimately familiar with its construction). The overlapping categories help these users find what they're looking for and are encouraged at WP:CAT. Is there another reason you're axing them? Thanks. E_dog95 Hi 10:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I see that some of these edits are ones that replace generic categories with more specific ones. I don't think this is a good idea. It may seem good from our perspective (we're experts at Wikipedia), but from a casual user's perspective, these edits have just made it harder to locate similar articles. Please re-consider your efforts in this area. :) This is simply one editor making conversation with another. I can see that you're talented and that you are an excellent contributor. I'm not attempting to make enemies. Thanks. E_dog95 Hi 10:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the summary. I appreciate your example as it does ring true. But be aware that this example shouldn't be applied to each and every circumstance as a black & white rule. There are many instances where multiple and broader categories are a more useful solution for the readers. E_dog95 Hi 01:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Little context in Category:Brewing companies (beer)

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Help with KVTE-LP Wikipedia Page

Vegas -- I need your help with KVTE-LP A user continues to vandalize and remove information from that page. How do I lock the page ? Is there a way to ban or prevent said user from editing in the future? Thanks for the help! --Ghettorichie01 (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Buffalo Club

I have nominated Buffalo Club, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buffalo Club. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 14:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

U.S. Highway categories

I dispute both of these moves.

--NE2 06:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Would you oppose if I did? --NE2 08:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Now listed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 January 26. --NE2 08:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
That didn't work at all... --NE2 18:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
That's because I linked it on WT:USRD. --NE2 05:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Aeroxchange

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Aeroxchange, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! TonyBallioni (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy rename of Category:Error

After you listed Category:Error for speedy renaming there was some disagreement of whether it fit the speedy criteria. I have moved the discussion to a regular CfD. Please express your opinions here. Happy editing. -- pb30<talk> 01:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Most Phallic Building contest

An article that you have been involved in editing, Most Phallic Building contest, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Most Phallic Building contest. Thank you. faithless (speak) 08:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

    • feel free to alter your vote now that more references have been added...JJJ999 (talk) 04:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Myrna Williams

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By any chance...

...were you dining at Pho Saigon 8 on Thursday afternoon? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

  • I wonder who that was? Youngish (mid-20s at most) blonde fellow in a Wikipedia t-shirt. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Double upmerge

You made a good call re the defunct museum categories - thanks. - Fayenatic (talk) 18:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Myrna Williams

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Buses used by New Jersey Transit basis

I hope that this link shows you what I mean about every bus being owned by NJT in that article. It lists operators to which NJT assigns the buses. For example, bus 8409 is assigned by NJT to DeCamp Bus Lines, bus 8558 was reassigned from Trans-Bridge back to NJT, and bus 1868 is assigned by NJT to Coach USA. If you have any questions, leave a message. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Delco Carousel

I've declined the speedy tag you placed on Delco Carousel. The reason is:

not about a real person, organization, or web content, so non-importance isn't covered by any CSD

For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Flagicons

I removed the flags from Zoom Airlines following the view of the airline project that they added no value. I have brought up the subject again at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines your comments welcome. MilborneOne (talk) 19:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Please don't revert changes that agree with discussions about not including flag icons in airline destination lists at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines. This will be considered vandalism. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Re doing this for all articles. See my post on the project talk page which I have raised this exact issue. The major problem is finding the airlines with the icons. So if you see them and remove them, it will save everyone from having to search for these. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Finding them? Ummm . . . ever heard of Air France, Delta Airlines, KLM, etc? These are not small obscure airlines here. And no, I'm not going to remove work that I didn't do, especially for something I don't believe in. Sorry mate.--RobNS 20:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

speedy

Even if you don't consider Arundel On The Bay a town , Surely you remember that WP:CSD A7 can not be used except for the types of articles specified there.DGG (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Pahute Mesa Airstrip

Why do you think the reference I removed from the article should stay? — NRen2k5, 08:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

for closing the Pranksters CFD. You're right, it was open way too long. --Kbdank71 14:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Your block.js

Could you please edit your javascript so that it wont include itself in Category:Tor_proxies_blocked_on_Wikipedia.

Something like:

var lang = new Array(
        '[[WP:VAND|Vandalism]]-only account',
        '[[WP:3RR|Three-revert rule]] violation',
        '[[WP:EW|Edit warring]]',
        'Abusing [[WP:SOCK|multiple accounts]]',
        '{{' + 'blocked proxy}}',
        '{{' + 'tor}}',
        '{{' + 'UsernameBlocked}}',
        '{{' + 'UsernameHardBlocked}}'
);

should do the trick. Q T C 02:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

MIPRO

Hi Vegaswikian, MIPRO is a Taiwan-based wireless microphone company; recently lanuches industry first digital wireless microphone system. Thus, I'd like to edit MIPRO in Wikipedia; however, this title has been protected. Can you help to unprotect and edit it? (If you need detailed information, I am willing to contribute it). thanks and I am looking forward to hearing from you soon--Ccdavid (talk) 06:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for suggestion

Hi Vegaswikian. thanks for your suggestion. MIPRO is the top 5 brand in the pro audio industry, and it's well known by majority of sound engineers. Please do more research about pro audio field and hope to reconsider your decision. thanks! --Ccdavid (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Glenloch Interchange

I've declined the speedy tag you placed on Glenloch Interchange. The reason I declined it is because it's not about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content. Articles about other subjects, even non-notable ones, can't be speedy deleted under CSD A7. For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Wireless Repeater

I've declined the speedy tag you placed on Wireless Repeater. The reason I declined it is because it's about a device, not web content. Speedy deletion criterion number 7 for articles does apply to web content, but not to devices which allow you to access or modify it. For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Similarly, VoxPolls is not an A7 candidate. Thanks for keeping an eye out on article quality, however. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

DRV for Category:Visitor attractions in Orlando, Florida

I closed this DRV in your favor, but I do not have familiarity with triggering the bots. Would you please take care of that part? Thanks. JERRY talk contribs 23:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Done, and drv updated. Thanks. JERRY talk contribs 00:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing articles

As you did with Splendid China (Florida). You are extremely ignorant. You need to research a bit before you make your erroneous changes. The park is not in Orlando PERIOD. Idiot. Miamiboyzinhere (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

How much of this user's belligerence is Wikipedia expected to tolerate? —Whoville (talk) 16:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
About as much ignorance as I am expected to tolerate Miamiboyzinhere (talk) 16:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Mediabase

Hello! I just wanted to let you know that I removed the

tag that you had placed on the Mediabase article. Please review the article again... it's about a company, not a place, and thus the

tag does not apply. It is mentioned in the lead paragraph of the article that the company is based out of Sherman Oaks, California. Thanks!--InDeBiz1 (talk) 20:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Clark County Commission

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I agreed with your thoughts on the discussion of whether or not the Clark County Commission is considered the most powerful organization. I just did a quick and dirty change because the previous wording stated that it "IS" the most powerful governmental body in Nevada, something clearly open for debate, and in this context, "Power" is a term with many different meanings. I think it may be best to avoid that issue and just find an article that makes an argument that is the most powerful body, just to show that it is a common opinion among many Nevadan political pundits. Thanks for the help, I am long time reader and just beginning to edit.

PaulWilliamsNV (talk) 17:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

A revert

Why did you do this to my edit? Acalamari 18:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

It was not intentional. I was reverting the addition of an added link the same day as yours and missed that there was another editor involved. Should be OK now. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks. Acalamari 19:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Disney and "Orlando area" category.

Greetings. There has been an ongoing debate over on the Disney page (posted on the Hollywood Studios talk page) as to one person's sudden desire to change the category of "Orlando Attractions" to "Greater Orlando Attractions". I see that you were involved in April 2007 in a category name change yourself, and I was wondering if we needed to reopen that can of worms? (See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_28#Category:Orlando_area_attractions for original convo). Thanks. SpikeJones (talk) 05:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

A followup from today -- the articles were moved back by Cydebot with this comment: Robot - Moving category Visitor attractions in Greater Orlando to Visitor attractions in Orlando, Florida per CFD. Immediately afterwards, Miamiboyzinhere switched it all around again and created a new category called "Attractions in Bay Lake" throughout the Disney articles. Me, I'm staying out of it and leaving dealing with it to the experts who are better equipped to handle such matters. Thanks for looking into it. SpikeJones (talk) 05:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I see your point about it taking the "orlando" controversy, such as it was with that one user, away. However, it still goes against the original Orlando category setup from april 07 that said that although the category said "orlando" it was to be interpreted as "orlando area". Setting up the granular bay lake category (which is silly as all of WDW does not reside in bay lake necessarily) is like removing the Vegas strip casinos from the "Las Vegas" category because they are physically outside the Las Vegas city limits... which is really what the Miami fellow seems to be contesting about Orlando. SpikeJones (talk) 12:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, *that* was fun today, wasn't it? SpikeJones (talk) 05:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

And thus it begins again. The fun part is that it's as if the people who are insisting on the specific category/city changes aren't even paying attention to the history of the resort as indicated on the WDWR page ("the City of Bay Lake and the City of Reedy Creek (now the City of Lake Buena Vista)" is what the resort's acreage were incorporated as.... so where do you draw the line between a and b, especially as Walt referred to it as the "Orlando project" himself. Sigh.) SpikeJones (talk) 16:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Even more revert fun tonight. Plus, we were all apparently called idiots a few moments ago over at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 February 22‎ SpikeJones (talk) 03:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Having the article say "near Orlando" and having the category say "in Orlando" is a contradiction and UNENCYLOPEDIC VANDALISM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.225.51.206 (talk) 03:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

(sigh). I see that you restored the CFD on Category:Visitor attractions in Bay Lake, Florida. thank you for that. If we're going through cleanup, then we may also want to do CFD on Category:Visitor attractions in Orange County, Florida and on Category:Roller coasters in Greater Orlando, and merge items as necessary into Category:Amusement parks in Orlando, Florida, remove the page List of amusement parks in Greater Orlando as redundant to the category. It's like a giant game of 52-card pickup over there on the Orlando pages. SpikeJones (talk) 13:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

.....and now that the CFD has been completed, the categories have been recreated. Good morning, america! SpikeJones (talk) 15:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


Be aware of two separate discussions taking place on WP:AN/I regarding this user: here and here. At this point, I think reverting his or her edits and category changes again and again is adding to the perceptions of some administrators that this is a petty content dispute or edit war—and that all users involved are equally at fault. It might be more effective to explain your position in those discussions and hope an administrator will understand and take action. —Whoville (talk) 03:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

He's at it again ... can we do a semi-protect, since it would block these newly-created and/or anonymous accounts from editing? Look at the current sock's talk page. We are trying to be constructive, but the user resorts to blanking pages and ignoring us. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 03:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Admins don't get enough barnstars for being admins

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
I'm awarding this to you and Seicer for helping out with the massive protections of the entire Orlando business. It was a mess, and it took all of us to clear it out. I hope I never have to deal with that sort of thing again. Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Amen ... thank you all for your help. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 04:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Airlistbox/Temp2

A tag has been placed on Template:Airlistbox/Temp2 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Golden Gulch Casino

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Golden Gulch Casino, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Golden Gulch Casino. Jmlk17 22:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Golden Gates Casino

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Golden Mardi Gras Casino

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Golden Mardi Gras Casino, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Golden Mardi Gras Casino. Jmlk17 22:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do the Las Vegas casinos say they are in Paradise, Nevada?

If that is the guidline then why don't the Orlando resorts say the specific city they are in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.224.123 (talk) 18:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

If you look at the category Category:Casinos_in_Las_Vegas, you'll see that regardless of the casino's mailing address, they're still listed as being in Las Vegas for sake of the category. If this is not what you are looking for, then you will need to be more specific with your question. I also recommend that if you have a specific question that it is better to ask it on a single appropriate page rather than to post the same question on multiple user's talk pages. SpikeJones (talk) 18:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
As SpikeJones said, they are all grouped in the correct category. However the casino articles, and most others, also list their actual settlement since Las Vegas refers to the general area. So you can use the LV categories to find what is in the area and you can also look in the categories by settlement to find what is in each. If you think that a postal service address tells you were something is located, you are going to be using really bad information in many cases. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:AN

Please respond at Jumbo Elliott.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

thanks for clarifying

Thanks for clarifying where to have the rename discussion. Wxidea (talk) 01:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Culture nominations

Vega. You asked me on my talk page to stop nominating cities until the city/metro issue is worked out. I have agreed. I would ask the same courtesy from you. This is obviously an open issue, and piling more and more nominations into the middle of a undecided issue is not really helping IMHO. - TexasAndroid (talk) 19:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

speedy delete for Citizens For A Better America (R) question.

I would like further information about why my content didn't pass the "indicate the subject's importance or significance" test. I realize that there are other organization on Wikipedia and I wanted to answer the question who is the real Citizens For A Better America (R) that has been raised in the media. I also planned to list the candidates that had been endorsed and other such thing.

While I realize I am a newbie at doing a full article I do want to get this right. I looked over Moveon.org's page and I could emulate that style if that is what you are looking for.

I made some comments on my own mytalk page, which deal with the speed of the delete, you are welcome to read them and address my issues there if you like. It mainly says that was on my way to type in 'hangon' but the page was gone.

I have played in the sandbox but that really just helps with presentation not content review, at least as far as I could tell. Please advise. Techant

Techant (talk) 09:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Georgios_Toubalidis

I noticed you closed the above AfD without indicating the outcome of the debate. The consensus, such as it was, was "delete". Should I go ahead a relist for better consensus? Thank you. – ukexpat (talk) 21:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

100 Longest-Running Broadway shows

As you may be aware, the debate on Category:100 Longest-Running Broadway shows was closed as listify. I've created List of the 100 Longest-Running Broadway shows. It's in need of quite a bit more work, if you're interested. Also, if you know someone with a bot that can depopulate the category, that would be nice. I'm not going there. Matchups 12:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Fish product sales

You have deleted an article, which I created a few minutes ago, and is central to a number of articles linking to it and the work I am doing right now. You have stopped me dead in the water. If you had done your work, you would have noticed that already about 200 articles link to this article. How dare you delete this article after just a few minutes. Who the hell do you think you are. Immediately restore my work, and stop interfering. --Geronimo20 (talk) 23:51, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

This is cowboy wikilawyering, and you know it. Get a sense of balance. --Geronimo20 (talk) 00:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

i apologize

i apologize for deleting your page and rerouting it to im a poop head...it was very late and i hadn't slept in over 24 hours and was trying to make an article that you deleted as soon as i pushed save...i did not realize that you couldn't see that the page was being edited and i know that now so i am very sorry... i thought that you just did it out of spite not liking my work but i now realize that you couldn't have known so i am sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckystar41292 (talkcontribs) 01:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Aloha Airlines

I know that sometimes being an admin is a thankless task. (Part of why, so far, I haven't persued becoming an admin.)
I don't argue that there's a bit of edit warring on Aloha Airlines, which I'm not the least involved with.
But isn't it overdoing it to protect the article for 60 days, until June?.
-- Yellowdesk (talk) 01:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reply; right. Semi-protection. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 02:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

McCarran International Airport

Can I ask why you reverted my changes? They were well-sourced, and made in good faith. As a relative newcomer I would like to learn how to enhance Wikipedia without treading on any toes. 78.145.178.86 (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

G11 speedy?

Hi, I feel I've been around for long enough to have developed a good understanding of our deletion policies including speedies and hangon (see my contribs). I was away from wikipedia when XAD (resins) was nominated under G11 speedy criterion at 08:13 GMT, and therefore unable to tag the article {{hangon}} before 08:18 GMT when it was deleted. I would certainly have tagged it if I had been given a fair chance to do so. I am surprised that it was speedy deleted only five minutes after nomination, and I would like to explain my reasons.

The reason I respectfully disagree with the speedy is that I do not think that G11 applies to this article. G11 is for pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. XAD resins are widely referred to by that name in analytical chemistry, where they are very extensively used in continuous sampling protocols. They are the most widely used resins for continuous sampling, and the name has become fairly generic. See, for example, this mainstream journal article in Journal of Chromatography A: Lepane V (1999) Comparison of XAD resins for the isolation of humic substances from seawater, J. Chromatography A, 845(1-2):329-335 G11 says that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion. The article was a stub about a highly specialized material that is a commercial product, and I was planning to expand it, though it was already informative as to some of the properties, structure and purpose of XAD resins; it did not need to be "fundamentally rewritten" to make the description encyclopedic.

I am only interested in the science of XAD resins; I have no connection with any manufacturers of XAD resins, and no interest in promoting their products. I have zero tolerance of spam, and I don't consider the article was spam.

The history of the article should be mentioned too. XAD was an article about both XAD software and XAD resins, and yet it was in the category software stubs, which is wrong, because it should clearly have been a dab page. I moved the page to XAD (software), reworded the XAD resins content, expanded it and moved it to a new page, and created a dab page at XAD. I was in the middle of expanding the XAD resins article, and would like an opportunity to continue writing it. I would be grateful for your thoughts on this. - Neparis (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

If you had indicated that the article was the result of a split from the XAD article in the edit comment, I probably would have changed the nomination to a PROD. I have no issue with the article being recreated if it has something more to establish notability. The time between nomination and deletion can be short if someone happens to drop in and see something, review it and then delete it. In this case the queue was small and this article matched one of the criteria that I use to select articles that I look at. So I saw it and followed through. Speedy deletion is based on the article content and not how long the article has existed. The old text exists in the original article and you can use that for the basis of a new article with a bit more to establish notability. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I still think the G11 criterion doesn't apply to the article for the reasons stated, at least as I interpret G11. Since I edited and reworded the old text, adding significant details of properties, structure, purpose, etc, that were not in the old text, it would save me some unnecessary work to be able to see the article again. Could you userfy it for me, e.g. as Neparis/XAD_(resins)? I'll work on it userspace, adding a few more RS citations for better establishment of notability — a different but more easily resolvable issue fortunately. Many thanks, - Neparis (talk) 19:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Done. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. It was in mainspace though, so I moved it to userspace. Could you delete the mainspace redirect? Also, for GFDL compliance, could you restore the version history too? - Neparis (talk) 20:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Trauma Centers

With the trauma centers being US only then i think they should be removed from the template as that is worldwide which is what wikipedia is and not only just usa. So i think that either the template be renamed as "USA emergency medicine" or have all the non world wide removed. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.137.201 (talk) 01:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Incivility by Huaiwei

Hey - I've noticed you be extremely diplomatic and an all around good guy. I was wondering if you could talk to User:Huaiwei about civility and commenting on the content and not the contributor. I fear that the attitude taken by this editor is toxic and anti community, and I don't feel that I can help. Thanks, --Matt (talk) 18:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Me too. HkCaGu (talk) 18:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the complement. However I may not be the best person to have this discussion. I am one of the parties in a mediation over editing of one article along with Huaiwei. We are on different sides of that issue so I have also butted heads with this user. I have also been on the receiving end of some negative comments on several talk pages so I suspect that my opinions or suggestions may not be heard with an open mind. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
After I asked, I noticed that the mediation and more interaction, and I understand you not getting involved. Can you point out a good road to follow? --Matt (talk) 21:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I just looked at WP:AN and did not see anything that really covers this. Adding comments to the mediation discussion may be a way to go for now. While not binding, the recommendation from the mediator would carry some weight if no change happens. Also, the more input that discussion has, the more likely that a reasonable solution can be proposed. If the problem is larger then the scope of the mediation and really involves more editors, then those facts should be raised now. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Raised in the mediation, or raised elsewhere? --Matt (talk) 04:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Raised in the mediation. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that he is not respecting the WP:AIRPORTS guidelines and making his own rules. He is against using "consistency" in articles. Audude08 (talk) 23:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

For Example: 1. He continues to added faux-direct flights that requires plane changes (UA 896 SIN-HKG-ORD-ATL) with a plane change in ORD. 2. Dismabiguating Jakarta (as the majority of the passenger service to Jakarta is at Soekarno-Hatta International Airpot) which is totally unnecessary. He disambiguated 'Jakarta to Jakarta-Soekarno-Hatta. 3. He also change the wording of the WP:AIRPORTS guidelines without discussing it. By the way, I saw your comment about the Jakarta dispute at WP:AIRPORTS. He just disambiguated Jakarta on the Singapore Changi Airport and not anywhere else. Thanks! Audude08 (talk) 23:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Audude08

Just so you'd know, Audude08 (talk) has just retired. -- Dave1185 (talk) 06:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Cat

My mistake; it's been restored. Singularity 20:05, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Too quick on cat rename.

Noted for next time. See response my talk page. Cheers. Peet Ern (talk) 22:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Anybody out there? I guess not so i will put back the changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.137.201 (talk) 05:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

TfD changes

I see that the format has been changed. My concern is that days are already being missed. March 30th should be on the page but it wasn't. I went ahead and added is. If you want this done in a different way, let me know. I know from the past that the bot gets confused easily. :) Nature of bots. Right now, the bot is adding the days in the old format, not the new format. No idea if that's going to hurt things or not. You know more about this than I do. :) --WoohookittyWoohoo! 09:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Help at US Airways

Need some help here... someone is trying to remove the massively-sourced description of US Airways as a low-cost carrier. FCYTravis (talk) 16:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Morgans Hotel Group

Vegaswikian - The edits I make to the Morgans Hotel Group page seemed to be reversed by you, I would appreciate if the History can stay as is - I can have a re-write of it to better reflect MHG's history to your liking, but Ian Schrager is not to be mentioned. Please reach out to me if you have any questions. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgenerale (talkcontribs) 19:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Police Station article

Thats exactly what I was trying to get across to him its relevant and not trivial, thanks so much for backing me up :) Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs) 19:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Interstate 124

Thank you for deleting Interstate 124; Talk:Interstate 124 should not have been deleted, however, since I was able to get it back. --NE2 04:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you undelete it? --NE2 07:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Requesting a Copy of vForums

Hi,

First, I'd like to apologize about the vForums page. We intended on working on it, but it was deleted before we had a chance. If you could please email me the contents, we'd like to work on it in a separate area, then once it has a reasonable amount of content, we'd like to move it back to its page.

Thanks, Mithras6 (talk) 14:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of US Airways livery

I have nominated US Airways livery, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/US Airways livery. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Россавиа Диалог 19:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

DTools

Hihi...any chance you can shoot me a copy of the deleted page[[2]]? I was in the process of talking withthe author to try to help him sort things out. It may well never get to the point where its a GA, but I'd like to give him the chance to play with it :) Thank you!! LegoTech·(t)·(c) 15:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks much! Hate to chase off an editor...even if he starts of SPA, perhaps we can get him hooked ;) LegoTech·(t)·(c) 21:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Image Cats

Hi! I see you deleted categories from Image:Japanese garden Lady Dixon Park.jpg. Where does it say that categories for images have to be "image cats"? PeterClarke 13:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, \o/, !!?!? - category intersects are nearly here, w00t (allegedly)

David Gerard, who knows everything that's going on, or so it seems, spilled the beans about category intersects, long promised, not here yet. But it seems that they will be here soon. Obviously that'll make a lot of difference to categorisation. Thread on wikitech-l here may be of interest. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Discrete chips board

Rouge admins

Please don't remove categories from another user's userpage. This has been hashed over several times. If the user wishes it to be removed, they can remove it themselves. I feel that it was potentially just a tad insensitive of you to modify a retired user's page, especially so soon after her departure. Let her make the decision. FCYTravis (talk) 09:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Kind of hard to make a decision like that if you're retired... --Kbdank71 16:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

CfD Category:Ship disambiguation

Hi Vegaswikian . You edited Category:Ship disambiguation. Your opinion at CfD Category:Ship disambiguation would be welcome. GregManninLB (talk) 15:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

museum stub question

Hi, quick question re: this edit, among a couple of others that have floated past my watchlist. Just curious how to know when it is or isn't a stub any longer. I wrote the article and tagged it as a stub because I thought it was too short to be considered an article. Is there a stub/article guideline? TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

and actually further with this one, what's the point in saying it's no longer a stub but tagging it for expansion. I'm not disagreeing, just don't understan that one at all. I expect that issue to be fixed as your tagging reminded me to work on it, but I'm curious TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Had a feeling there was a guideline I hadn't read. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Addressed, I think, your tone issues. I agree it read before like a museum brochure. Feel free to re-add if you think there are issues remaining TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 18:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

metro area categories

I agree with you. I've been editing the St. Louis article series for a while now. I'm been making new categories and deleting old ones at will (manually without a bot) because I assumed that the St. Louis wikiproject had the autority over the pages that we covered. I've just started some working groups on our wikiproject to divide up the workload and create a sense of focus. I you could go here and look at the methods used, I would appreciate any feedback that you could give me. This is the line that I will probably continue on for some time. I'd like to build a strong foundation. I think it is really important that a metro area category be made to operate alongside and slightly above city articles. This is my version. DaronDierkes (talk) 02:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I suspect that a wikiproject that creates a good solution would not have a problem. However be aware that some of your actions could be consider against policy since it goes against the perceived consensus for metro articles. However the nomination for renaming Category:Companies based in Las Vegas, if approved, would show consensus for the metro area categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Taproot Audio Design

You previously deleted Taproot Audio Design as "db-spam." He's recreated the article and is asking for help in doing it right. I gave him some advice on his talk page and the article talk page. Would you be willing to 1) help him out some and 2) invite the person who tagged the original article as spam to do the same? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleting Natural Remedies

Could you weigh in on the Onion Juice Therapy debate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Onion_Juice_Therapy#Onion_Juice_Therapy Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesMMc (talkcontribs) 01:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Another gaming/gambling POV-pusher

FYI, Talk:Sportsbook.com. I fixed the change and pointed to the obvious regulatory sites, but a word from you might keep the editor from personalizing things and persisting. 2005 (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Something got deleteWhy?!

--FuturePil()t (talk) 07:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Singapore Airlines request for formal mediation

Hi, as the informal mediation in relation to the various issues regarding the Singapore Airlines article was not successful, I have now instigated a request for formal mediation on these issues at MedCom at this link. As you have been involved in editing this article in direct relation to the various disputed issues and/or have been active in discussion regarding these issues on WP:AIRLINES, previous dispute resolution attempts, or on the talk pages, if you believe that you are involved, then please take a look at the MedCom request, and add yourself and any issues as you see fit. Thanks --Россавиа Диалог 18:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Conway Public Schools

I noticed that you deleted Category:Schools in Arkansas from Category:Conway Public Schools. I can see the logic in doing so, but that now makes this category a category that can never have more than one article. As such, the category itself should be deleted. Dbiel (Talk) 02:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Not really correct since schools could still be included as a part of the school district. Also you should have noticed that this category is up for deletion. The district category can include everything about a district like police, administrative facilities, sports facilities or anything else that is notable. Since it is not restricted to schools adding all of those other items to the schools categories is not really right. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I agree that schools may be added to a specific School District Category. But if that is the direction to be followed, then the category should be renamed Category:Conway Public Schools District The current name fits better under Category:Schools in Arkansas, but noting that there currently are no schools that are part of the category which is why I created the deletion request. Dbiel (Talk) 03:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

US Air/America West

I can't understand the whole legal mess regarding the merger, but you might want to go over other edits by newly-registered User:EditWithFacts to see if they make sense. A super-long subject line looks bad though. HkCaGu (talk) 06:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You might need to revert further on US Airways. I don't know all the details, but text inserted by User:EditWithFacts seems to be too hard to understand and possibly POV. HkCaGu (talk) 19:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

SR 604

I've requested a move at Talk:Nevada State Route 604. The others can simply be moved after the redirects are deleted as "housekeeping", but this one has some history. --NE2 12:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

NV State Route articles in Las Vegas

Why are you changing the names of Las Vegas area Nevada State Route articles to their street names? State highways are notable, with individual articles falling under the purview of WP:USRD and WP:NVSH. Individual streets (such as Rainbow Blvd, Sahara Ave, etc.) are not notable according Wikipedia: WikiProject U.S. Streets or at all, in my opinion.

Outside of living in Las Vegas or maybe having visited there, nobody is going to be looking for articles on these streets (and having grown up in Vegas myself, I know of nothing overly notable about any of the streets you've moved articles for already). Excepting the proposed move of SR 604 to Las Vegas Boulevard by NE2, I don't see a purpose to any of these moves. If the article moves remain intact, they'll need to be expanded to cover the notable subject along the road and will should be expanded to include more than just the existing state route info.

If you can point me to other state route articles where there is a precedent for such moves, I'd be happy to see it. Otherwise, making these moves just for the sake of using the "common name" seems unjustified to me. --Ljthefro (talk) 10:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The way the state route articles are written, their context only covers the length of the state route designation and clearly state where the termini are. To point a state route article to a street name could also be misleading since one could construe that the state route designation covers the entire road, which it doesn't. And how many other articles really reference or link to Sahara Avenue, Rainbow Blvd, etc. anyway? --Ljthefro (talk) 00:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I think confusion would result if we use the SR designation for some article titles and the street name for the others. Whatever the convention that is decided, it should be consistent for all the state highway arterials in the area. Since I'm working on the Nevada State Routes Wikiproject, I'd obviously prefer those titles to remain but will yield to a greater consensus. However, I can maybe understand having separate articles for Russell, Tropicana, Flamingo, Spring Mountain, and Sahara, since their notability might be higher due to proximity to the resort corridor/Strip. Separate articles for roads like Jones or Rainbow would be questionable though. --Ljthefro (talk) 00:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Robert I. Coulter - Organbuilder

Pardon me, but how was my entry for Robert I. Coulter - Organbuilder, a company not an individual any different than the following entries?

Kegg_Pipe_Organ_Builders Pasi_Organ_Builders Noack_Organ_Company Orgues_Létourneau

Thank you, --Tuben (talk) 11:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Kegg Pipe Organ Builders

I added some references to Kegg Pipe Organ Builders. You may want to take another look at the article and its AfD. --Eastmain (talk) 03:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:People from Greenwich Village, New York

You had participated at the original discussion of the People from Greenwich Village, New York category at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 April 30. The original decision to delete was overturned at WP:DRV and is now being discussed again at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 May 19#New York places categories. Your participation will help ensure that a broader consensus can be reached on this matter. Alansohn (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

US Airline Pilots Association article - Solicitation for input

Hello. I'm soliciting opinions regarding the controversy surrounding the formation of the US Airline Pilots Association. Please see Talk:US Airline Pilots Association#Controversy and add you opinion. -- Tcncv (talk) 00:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Fictional life-forms

I was in the middle of commenting when you closed it. (Which is, of course, perfectly fine, and not an uncommon event : )

My main comment was: "Why "Life-form" (which redirects to organism)? Is there are reason to not use Creature?"

The closure makes sense based on the existing discussion. However, I'm tempted to immediately renominate in deference to creature. For one thing, wiktionary, and commons both seem to currently default to that usage.

I'm hesitant to just Be bold, as the discussion was "just closed". But I suppose I could. There's also the choice to renom. or DRV. What do you think? - jc37 22:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

When I decided on the name to use for the close, I based it on the discussions. I think that even with an additional comment, there would be support for the name I closed it with. DRV would not be appropriate since I don't believe you would have any criteria that they consider valid. I have long taken the position that sometimes it takes a few shots to arrive at the best name and clearly the new name is better then the old one. I have no objection to you doing another CfD to propose a better name. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
As I said, I felt it was a good close based on the discussion present.
And I totally agree about DRV (I merely listed it as an additional option).
It looks like it's off to renominate, we go.
My main concern was that (due to typical constraints of renaming categories), we get further from the orginal editors with every rename.
Would you mind holding off on listing the category until the end of the renomination discussion? I presume waiting an extra five days wouldn't "hurt" in this case. (No BLP issues, for example : )
If not, no further arguement from me.
Thanks for your insight, btw : ) - jc37 22:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd say just open a new discussion. If there are too many options, it frequently causes a no consensus decision. With only a single choice it is easier to gain consensus. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure you understood my last request ("last request", gee that sounded ominous : )
Anyway, it's now listed. Please let me know if you have any concerns. - jc37 22:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I guess never mind, it seems cydebot is already in action on the rename. I'll alter the nom accordingly. - jc37 22:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
And thank you for tagging, that was my next step : ) - jc37 22:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually I was in the process of midifying your nomination for you when the edit conflict hit. :-) Vegaswikian (talk) 22:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Funny : )
Isn't it great when two well-meaning editors encounter each other? rofl.
(Not that we haven't encountered each other at CFD in the past, or anything : ) - jc37 23:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


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Removal of images from category

I noticed you removed the WHCJ logo from several categories. If you review the meta wiki article on images you will note that:

"By adding a category tag on the image page, images can be in the same category as other pages, but are treated separately: on the category page they are not included in the count of articles in the category, and they are displayed in a separate section, with for each a thumbnail and the name, see category page.

On Commons there are essentially only images. On projects with real articles a category can either mix articles and images about a subject, or one has separate image categories. An image category is typically a subcategory of the general category about the same subject, and a subcategory of a wider image category."

I have reversed your edits. Please feel free to contact me if you have an overriding wikipedia policy. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 10:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Singapore Airlines formal request for mediation (2nd filing)

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Some assistance, please?

the pinball article has become an interesting revert arena today. While I was making a good-faith entry onto the talk page after I had reverted an edit, I was (threatened?) with being blocked for being disruptive. I don't think mediation is necessary right now, but if you wouldn't mind keeping your eye out for me, that would be appreciated. Thx! SpikeJones (talk) 04:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Singapore Airlines mediation

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