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Actually

there are three diff locations/arts to use for the sw - cygnus uses one i use another and there is another again - one day we shall have to have some consistency of usage worked out :( SatuSuro 12:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Except when used as part of a proper noun, "southwest" should not be capitalized. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Giant Otter

Hi Uther. This is my latest target. Wondered if you might look at the taxonomy section with the MSW3 in hand. I have seen no subspecies mentioned in papers so far, nor other members of its genus. You'll note it's capitalized—one of the common species names that really makes the argument. Cheers, Marskell (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. You are correct that it is the only member of the genus, but there are two subspecies. Here's the interesting comment Woozencraft makes: "See lengthy comments by Harris (1968) concerning the correct identity of the type, the confusion in published synonomies, and the type locality." - UtherSRG (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Koala

Hi. I was looking at the three consecutive edits by 136.145.174.28 and thinking about reverting them. By the time I got back to the current revision, you had made a change. I don't think the website cited can be taken seriously - perhaps its a case of self-promotion. At any rate, if you look at the first of the edits you'll see why I thought about reverting them all! Regards TINYMARK 14:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I looked at the history, too. Looks like they were having some fun, and then got serious. The website looks legit. If we find a more respectable source that contradicts, we can change it. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Ardipithecus

Made major restructure to Ardipithecus after discovering that I had looped back to the same page by accident, resulting in my first misguided link edit. Please adjust anything that needs further improvement, my work there was likely a one-shot deal, as I sometimes briefly adopt a referenceless kitten. MaxEnt (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned it up a little. I had to remove one link as it didn't give any usable information. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Josephoartigasia

Sorry about that, I didn't know. Any chance you could do the same for Category:Agnotocastors, which is even smaller and grammatically incorrect? --Helioseus (talk) 19:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Will do. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Orang video...

Hi there. I removed a video placed on the orang utan page primarily as it was so large and I was not sure if it was really of value.[1] What do you think? The editor who added it didn't like it's removal - see here. --Merbabu (talk) 02:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your edit. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Koala vs. koala

Hi, I've seen your name around a lot and you always seem to make sensible edits. So I want to ask you about the capitalisation of koala. As far a I can see from WP:MoS there is no policy or standard. Both MoS and you redirected to WP:WikiProject Tree of Life (cited section does not exist) and WikiProject Monotremes and Marsupials. Is it really a matter of taste? I'd prefer it without capitals e. g.

My koala's name is Eucalyptus

I don't want to start a big discussion about this, but would be interested to know if there is any policy or guideline for this—MoS and the two links above did not mention it at all. To be honest, I think it is a little unfair to make a change to an article and quote something that can only ever be a non-binding guideline! As MoS states, this is a subject for contention, so perhaps we need consensus on an article-for-article basis! Happy editing TINYMARK 05:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

A species' common name is a proper noun, and so it should be capitalized. This is debateable, hence no firm rule. As the Koala article falls under the WP:MaM project, it falls under that project's rules so as to make all articles of that project consistent. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
OK. I missed the redirect in MaM to the Bird project, where it is explained. Happy editing. TINYMARK 15:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Sthenurus Brownei or S. Browneorum

Sthenurus Browneorum was originally named S. Brownei and was after two people. According to the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, article 3.1.2, "A species-group name, if a noun in the genitive case (see Article 11.9.1.3) formed directly from a modern personal name, is to be formed by adding to the stem of that name... -orum if of men or of man (men) and woman (women) together..." T.carnifex (talk) 04:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Fine. Show me a reference where it is used as S. browneorum. Until then, the current reference stands. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Table 1 from the Nature Article "An arid-adapted middle Pleistocene vertebrate fauna from south-central Australia" from http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v445/n7126/fig_tab/nature05471_T1.html Sthenurus Browneorum is referred to as 'Procoptodon' Browneorum. This is because it is thought that it differs from other Sthenurines significantly, however, it is still officially Sthenurus Browneorum, as it was changed due to the previously mentioned "Code." By the way, I also have a copy of the full article, however, this was only available on the net.T.carnifex (talk) 12:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Alrighty then. I've updated the article. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou. In future if you have an issue with an edit I make, particularly such a small one as this, it would be much appreciated if you contacted me first, rather than just reverting it and giving no explanation what so ever, which was frankly rude. Obviously it was a simple matter of just providing a reference, which could've been easily resolved in a matter of minutes if you had've at the very least provided a reason for reverting, or preferably, contacted me. T.carnifex (talk) 23:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Check the edit history of the article. I said why I was doing what I did. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

references

Please don't add references to articles without either adding information from those sources, or attributing existing information to those sources. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of this rule. Of course I wouldn't go willy-nilly adding sources, but I was adding a few Mammalian Species accounts that were current so that myself or other editors could go in and improve the article with that information, or so at least this highly important summary was instantly available to someone attempting research. What's wrong with this? I'm obviously trying to help here. --JayHenry (talk) 14:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
The references section is for listing the sources used to create the article. If you want to list potential sources, put them on the talk page. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia's own citation guidelines, Wikipedia:CITE#HOW, references are for "sources that support a significant amount of the material in the article." If you read the Mammalian Species accounts (one of the authoritative publications of the American Society of Mammalogists) that I added, you will see that they do indeed provide support for articles that contain vast quantities of information that was not supported by the reference section. I have to say that you are the first editor I've ever seen chastise someone for adding sources. I'm genuinely trying to help, and have a good track record. --JayHenry (talk) 19:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

MSW template

Hi. Is it technically possible (and useful) to add the mammal id to this template so that when you click on Mammal Species of the World you get instead of just the website, the page for the species as in Daubentonia madagascariensis, by piping the parameter 12100099 (in this case)? We use a less sophisticated form here in Wikispecies. Lycaon (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. It is both technically possible and useful. I'd been thinking of doing it for some time. In fact, I'd love it if someone would show me how to make a bot so that I can update all of the articles that have the MSW3 templates so that the new parameter is used. I'll work on it (or you can...). - UtherSRG (talk) 18:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I could help implement if the template is changed (play bot). Lycaon (talk) 18:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, All the templates (well... the ones I know about which are listed on template:MSW3) have been updated to take an optional parameter 'id'. See Cheirogaleidae for an example. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Great. I know the drill. Don't expect too much too fast, cause I have a couple of deadlines for work the coming days ;-). Lycaon (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
No prob. If I ever learn how to make and run a bot, it'll take a very short time to get it done. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and I found another MSW3 template and modified it as well. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Animal templates

Hello, UtherSRG! I noticed you edited a template I created and was wondering if I can ask for your assistance. In looking at your contributions, it appears you watchlist a lot of animal pages, so I figured you are a subject matter expert in the field (my background is economics!). I have decided to tackle a rather large project that has been in the back of my mind for awhile and try to link together all of the animal articles via templates. I have already done most of the carnivores. Now I would like some feedback to ensure I am not totally screwing up these articles. For your reference, I am keeping track of these templates at User:Old Hoss/Animal templates. I would appreciate any improvements you can make to these, and would value any suggestions. If you would rather not accept my request, no worries! Instead maybe you could reference me to some other experts for assistance. Regards. --Old Hoss (talk) 18:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sweet! I'll be glad to pitch in with some of this, especially the Primates, since that's where my primary bioloigcal interests lie, at least as far as Wiki articles is concerned. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 21:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Great! It just so happened I decided to tackle primates next. Feel free to make any appropriate changes. I noticed the apes already have a template {{Apes}}, but I think maybe that can be split into 2 templates, with a new one being more in-line with the ones I am doing now. But I will leave that one alone for the time being. Regards. --Old Hoss (talk) 22:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe.... I see that that template has more than just species info, although most of the extra links are really dealing with issues surrounding Hominidae, and not Hylobatidae. When I get there I'll look more closely. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

WHOO-HOO!! Primate templates are DONE! Now to get them all put on the pages.... I had to break up Cercopithecidae into two templates; could you check those to make sure the scientific stuff is correct (with the tribes and groups) - since they sort of deviate from the others I was not sure if breaking them into tribes and groups was proper. Also, I did templates for Hylobatidae and Hominidae but I am not sure what to do with them and {{Apes}}. One thought I had was to convert {{Apes}} into something similar to {{Spider nav}} (basically chopping off the first three sections of the Apes template), and then keeping both the Apes template and the new template on each page. Let me know what you think. Regards.--Old Hoss (talk) 22:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. I'm still undecided about apes.... I'll think of it when I get there. I'm almost done adding templates to the strepsirrhine articles. Your split of the Old World monkeys looks good. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Furry Critters....

OK, I set a mammal collaboration up to see what develops...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Great! - UtherSRG (talk) 12:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

MSW3 bot

Heya. I've been looking at doing this but not sure if I'll have time before I go back to full time commitments (study) in a week's time. Sorry! —Pengo 02:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I can help, sure. Are you familiar with any programming languages already? Wikipedia:Creating a bot would be the place to start. —Pengo 07:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I'm a software engineer... but I'm lazy. I don't want to start from scratch. You have a bot that runs on taxonomic articles. Can I have a copy of it that I'll modify to update the MSW3 templates on taxonomic articles. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi,

I'm curious about this revert - is there a policy? I don't remember seeing capitalization like that on a lot of articles, though it could be an artefact of me not editing a lot of biology pages. WLU (talk) 15:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Possibly because of this section? It's one of those 'can go either way so don't change it if you find it' things like ENGVAR? WLU (talk) 16:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Yup. Don't change it just to change it. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, my apologies. It just looks so weird... is it a biology thing or a country/research culture thing? Also note that the MOS section I linked to has a {{main}} in it which is dead - do you know/could you link it to an appropriate current section? WLU (talk) 19:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

SugarGlider edit

I'm putting this here since your page doesn't provide any other means to contact you, such as email or IM. Why did you make this reversion? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sugar_Glider&oldid=188960263 The content you reverted to was provided by an unregistered user and is not cited. If you're in disagreement with my edit then perhaps the entire paragraph should be removed from the article to avoid dispute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.1.206 (talk)

I reverted an unsourced numberic change. If you can cite a verifiable and reliable source for your change, it can stay. Otherwise, my revert was fully justified. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:07, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
If you need a citation, how about two paragraphs below that contains conflicting information? Specifically, "It lives in groups of up to seven adults, plus the current season's young," Seven + young amounts to roughly 10 to 12. If you need further information, try the Field Guide to Australian Mammals page 76 and page 88. Also page 69 from the book entitled Sugar Gliders. Is their a policy that the information from one certain IP address is somehow immune to your criteria? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sugar_Glider&diff=151409355&oldid=151140352 I'm surprised you allowed this paragraph to be added at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.1.206 (talk) 23:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Policy is, if you can cite a verifiable and reliable source for your change, it can stay.

Gorilla revert

Why did you revert my edit to gorilla? It was both factual and relevant. When reverting something other than obvious vandalism or nonsense, wikiquette calls for an explanation. -JasonAQuest (talk) 20:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Not very relevant, not NPOV language, and unsourced. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
The fact that the gorilla had never been seen by most of the world before the 1860s is highly relevant to its perception by society; the novelty of it greatly influenced the portrayal of other "undiscovered" great apes in Tarzan and King Kong. It's as relevant there as Columbus is to the Bahamas. This may not interest you personally, but it's still quite noteworthy. I'll try to address your concern about phrasing (does "legendary" imply something more to you than "people weren't sure they were real"?), and a citation request is easy to meet. -JasonAQuest (talk) 22:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
See the Talk:Gorilla page for my comments on this edit. I think it'd be nice if we could get more history on the discovery of the Gorilla in there, perhaps even in a history of discovery section. Right now it's a bit scattered around. Martijn Faassen (talk) 00:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Merriam-Webster's gives the following two definitions for "legendary": "1  : of, relating to, or characteristic of legend or a legend 2  : well-known, famous". I'm sure you don't mean the second, as it is in opposition to the fact of it not having been seen by most of the world at that point. So it must be the first. M-W also lists many meanings to "legend"; some are not appropriate to the context, while the others are split between the meaning you want, and the opposite, to some degree. This is why the language you chose was not NPOV. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant the first definition of "legendary", and I meant it in reference to the primary meaning of "legend": an unverified account which is believed by some to be true. The ability to read other meanings into a term doesn't mean it's promoting a POV. At worst it indicates an unclear choice of words, for which I accept responsbility. But a poor choice of words is a poor justification for reverting. - JasonAQuest (talk) 02:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

exuberant American Bison

I'm sorry that you felt it necessary to lock the article, there would seem to a number of useful anon edits in the history. I imagine it is the kind of article that would attract new users. Anyway, the bit I restored could do with improving. Do you happen to have the Bagemihl book, the only ref that is cited on this issue, or can you remind me who originally added the info? I'm lazy to ask, sorry for that too. cygnis insignis 05:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't have this book. I used to have Bagemihl's other well known book, but I gifted it to a friend. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Lockmart.jpg

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If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Project FMF (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Rationale added. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank You Barnstar

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
I am awarding this barnstar to user UtherSRG for his nice welcome, and for some of the ideas for my own user page which I cribbed from his. Rlendog (talk) 00:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

How?

Hello...I am new here and I edit pages that are about animals. All my facts are true, and you can read the facts I have added to wikipedia in National Geographic's Encyclopedia of Animals. How you you like me to post my resources? The page? Pleas tell me how. Much appreciated- panda32342

First, please sign all talk edits with four ~'s instead of writing out your name.
If you are adding material from a source book, then you should WP:CITE the reliable source with an appropriate {{cite}} template, such as {{cite book}}. You should put the citation within <ref> and </ref> tags. If you wish to use the same citation more than once in the same article, you can name the tag by modifying the <ref> tag on the first usage to <ref name=blah>; subsequent usage of the citation would simply need a single self-closing <ref name=blah/> tag instead of the fully tagged citation. Pitheciidae#Characteristics has such a reference you can use as a guide. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your explanation at Category talk:Unitarian_Universalists. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Civets

Hi Stacey,

I was wondering why you deleted Civets. It was a redirect to Civet, which seems to make sense to me. "Civets" is simply the plural form of "Civet", afterall.

Neelix (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Meh. It was a year ago. I've restored it. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

edit summaries

Could you maybe use them, especially when reverting as you did on chimpanzee? Thanks. --Newsroom hierarchies (talk) 04:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, sorry for that bit of shortness above. I imagine you patrol that page a lot and have reason for reverting quite a few edits that get made there. I'd still like to hear your reasons for reverting when you get a chance though. --Newsroom hierarchies (talk) 04:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I try to use them sometimes, but when I use popups, I'm not given the opportunity. But yes, the chimpanzee page is one I patrol regularly for vandalism, and sometimes I revert too quickly. Sorry. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Cool--sorry again about the incivility. --Newsroom hierarchies (talk) 22:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

New mailing list

There has been a mailing list created for Wikipedians in the New York metropolitan area (list: Wikimedia NYC). Please consider joining it! Cbrown1023 talk 21:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Image dispute.

Hi again. Mr Fink has asked for my assistance in the image dispute on Procoptodon. I have opened a discussion here and invited WikiProject Mammals to get involved. Regards SilkTork *What's YOUR point? 22:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Oy. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Sea otter

Hi Uther,

Thanks for your comments on the Peer Review. I thought your comment on caps might have been a bit tongue-in-cheek (yes?), but in any case consensus is for lowercase for this particular species.

Cas left a note here about names, naming authority, and the MSW: Talk:Sea_otter#What.27s_left_to_do.3F. I'm not really sure what he's asking for. Could you swing by the article and see if you have anything to add regarding naming?

Cheers and best wishes, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 09:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 18:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
No prob. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Unexplained reversions

Several times now, on Red Fox and Mus musculus, you have reverted edits by myself and other without a single word of explanation. That's unacceptable. You, of course, have every right to object to the addition or removal of content, but you owe it to your fellow Wikipedians to provide an reasoning for removal of their contributions. It's in the spirit of harmonious editing. VanTucky 04:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

For your orientation, VanTucky has posted to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Admin using rollback in content disputes. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

So Many Reverts

Hi UtherSRG. What is going on with all the reverts did one of the users feel the need to change most of the cat articles? Does this person need to be reported? That's all.Mcelite (talk) 17:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)mcelite

They certainly need to be straightened out on making multiple changes without consensus..... - UtherSRG (talk) 23:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I mean did he honestly think that nobody is watching these pages? He did alot of changes hopefully this doesn't get out of hand.Mcelite (talk) 04:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)mcelite

it's been very plainly stated on the Bobcat talk page what the problem is. some admin besides UtherSRG needs to take a look. i have nothing personal against him, but this is getting ridiculous -- shouldn't it be the admin who shows restraint over minor formatting changes? the (ahem) consensus article at WP:MOS plainly states that articles on fauna other than birds are to lower-cased. if there is to be a change as regards that, it should be so stated. right? shouldn't the consensus view hold in the meantime? (note that i have no preference either way, capitals or lower-case.) - Metanoid (talk, email) 23:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

wow, man, gotta say you're not helping with the edit war on the cat pages. either wikipedia allows for 14-year-old admins, or you just need some time off. what's with all the re-reverts? the guy (Beyazid) has a point about WP:MOS. can't you just let it go a few days? - Metanoid (talk, email) 19:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

When there's a controversy, the original state should be preserved until the controversy is settled. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
The original state appears to me to be lowercase, and I went as far back as the January 2003 versions. Bugguyak (talk) 20:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Ideaworks3D

Hi. Please could you explain why you "proposed deletion" (which was not contested) for "Ideaworks3D" ? I am an employee of the company, and wanted to check the reference (which I have previously viewed) and was surprised to find it deleted.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerboy07 (talk • contribs)

I didn't make the prod, I only carried out the deletion as part of my duties as an admin. The last two editors who prod'd it are User:Btball and user:Gwernol. Here's the reason listed in the most recent prod: "NN corp, this was a redirect to Ideaworks3d which was deleted via PROD, and before this was a redirect it had been deleted (CSD) as a copyvio. I think this should just be speedy deleted as a repost of a copyvio but others disagree - so I'm trying the PROD route for this variant too" - UtherSRG (talk) 11:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Homo erectus

Why did you revert my edit to the article on Homo erectus?--Fang 23 (talk) 23:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It's an unsourced edit to an already sourced statement, which makes it look like a sourced edit. Very bad form! - UtherSRG (talk) 01:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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Iriomote Cat

Please stop blind-reverting this article without discussion on the article talk page. I know your edit summaries occasionally state that there was discussion regarding the changes you're making elsewhere, but the edit war on this particular article involving several other editors who feel the changes you're making are incorrect suggests there's less consensus than might have been expressed at other locations. Please engage in discussion on the talk page. Do note that you broke 3RR yesterday on that article, as well, and I'll be looking to see if anyone else did and warn them as well. Thanks. Tony Fox (arf!) 19:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The discussion is ongoing on the Mammal project talk page. It's more than just a single article that is at issue. I am trying to maintain all of the pages as they were before the controversy, as is appropriate. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Could you at least point that out on the talk page, with a link to the discussion? It would appear there are other people who have no idea where the discussion is going on. (And it might be better to leave the articles until after the discussion is complete, if it's still ongoing, wouldn't it?) Tony Fox (arf!) 20:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals - UtherSRG (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Mantled Howler gallery

Hello, Uther. We seem to disagree about the utility of a photo gallery with the Mantled Howler article. About a month ago, you removed the existing gallery from the article, with the note "rm gallery (use Commons)". Shortly afterwards, I restored it with this comment "restored gallery, increasing convenience and allowing caption information". You've removed it again, today, noting "rem gallery - commons link takes care of that already". I have no interest in a revert war, although I feel fairly strongly on this point.

My view: A gallery is more useful to a reader than is a Commons link for several reasons. 1) It is at hand, visible while reading the article, and requires no delay or effort to use (albiet small though they may be). More important, 2) there are no captions in a Commons link, and significant pertinent information can thus be lost or made difficult to access. Note that the information in a caption can often be different or more extensive than the information presented in the Commons image description, even if one goes that far in search of it. One further point: 3) not all images can be accessed via a Commons link. The current gallery includes seven images (some, admittedly, not so good), while the link leads only to three images. Four of them, I suppose are loaded directly into Wikipedia.

I will hold off taking any action, hoping to hear more about your views on this issue. Tim Ross (talk) 20:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, there's one of the missing images in the provided Wikispecies link, too. I guess it might take three links to get them all. Tim Ross (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Commons has the same abilities as the 'pedia... you can make a gallery over there with all of the same annotations. Commons is *more* accessible, for it has the input of folks from all of the different language 'pedias. Why limit the article to a gallery consisting of input from only one language? Images should be put on an article only when they offer something that is either unique or demonstrates something laid out in the article's text. A collection of images is simply clutter, no matter what captioning you put on them. As for images being "missing" - such images should be added to Commons and used from there, with the local upload deleted in favor of the Commons image. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Let me address your points one by one, Uther.

Yes, a gallery can be created in Commons, although I believe you can only do that with images that are in Commons, which, once more, limits possible pictures to be used.

I certainly agree with you that Commons is a better place for pictures, and it is great to put one's images there (as I do) to make them more widely accessible. That is certainly not a requirement, though, for images used in Wikipedia articles, whether in the form of individual images or galleries, and I do not think it is appropriate to remove such images for that reason.

I also agree with you that one should only add useful images to an article, either individually or as a gallery. Conversely, though, if you feel images should be removed, that action should be based on the quality/utility of each image. In this instance, some of the images in the gallery you have removed added significantly, to my mind, to the utility and quality of the article.

Finally, you state that images should be added to Commons and used from there. That would, of course, be desirable. The fact that someone has chosen not to do so, though, is certainly not adequate reason to delete an image from an article.

Some of the points you make, Uther, would have major impacts throughout Wikkipedia if editors in general decided to follow your lead. Perhaps you might wish to bring them up at a higher administrative level to see if there is support for some universal application of your thoughts, or whether such support is lacking. Tim Ross (talk) 21:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#misapplication of WP:BIRD

Please see the above link because I have filed a request for arbitration against you. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 22:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Iriomote Cat. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Please see also the further guidance at Talk:Iriomote Cat. Sandstein (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bobcat. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Please see also the further guidance at Talk:Bobcat. Bugguyak (talk) 23:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:3RR

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule . Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I see you are doing good work in animal-related articles, but I think that reverting others in the way you are doing is not productive, and it is violating 3RR. As WP:BLOCKS are not punitive, but preventative, if you declare that you will not continue with such reverts, I will consider reducing or lifting the block. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Lockmart.jpg

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Fixed. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Western/Eastern Hoolocks

Hey Stacey, just about the status of these two gibbons. They aren't formally classified on the IUCN Red List, agreed, but they're just being renamed and therefore Endangered status is still valid for both the Eastern and Western Hoolocks. What do you think? Cheers, Jack (talk) 12:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah yeah. You're right. I'll fix them with the proper status codings. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Images

Hello, Uther! I was wondering what kind of preferences there are for taxobox images; specifically, is something preferred over nothing. Case in point. I was going to revert it, but wanted a 2nd opinion. Rgrds. --Tombstone (talk) 21:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I prefer nothing over unprofessional and misleading images. This one is certainly unprofessional. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Dinsdale!

Thank you! Completely agree. --Shirt58 (talk) 10:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Dinsdale! - UtherSRG (talk) 11:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
"Well Bruce, I heard the Prime Minister use it. '热的温度煮沸猴子的二赖子在这个地方, 陛下' he said, and she smiled quietly to herself."
'She's a good Sheila, Bruce, and not at all stuck up.'
 :-) --Shirt58 (talk) 11:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/piranha.htm - UtherSRG (talk) 12:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Potential and actual consequences of your block

I would like to avoid an arbitration case. So, if you promise to next time take it easy with the block button and not block someone whom you are in a content dispute with (IAR/IGNORE would work for BLP or emergencies like that, not captions for lemurs, that's not an emergency), then I won't file an arbitration case. I am, however, filing a 3RR report for the articles whom you breached 3RR after you blocked me. Thanks. El_C 14:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead. I stand by my actions. You were in the wrong first. I was attempting to stop your wrong. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Arbitration it is, then. El_C 14:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh please. You have got to be kidding. Cool down, man. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Of course I'm cool. If I wasn't cool, I would have blocked you, then and now. Right? El_C 14:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
If you're cool, then you wouldn't be threatening arbitration and desysoping. By your own admission, I was just faster on the block button. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
No, no, that distorts what I'm saying. After all that happens, you say that? Pretty brazen. I'm not admitting that, in fact, I keep saying that I would never do that. I do use that analogy, and carefully enough that you should see it wasn't an admission, to illustrate a point about how arbitrary it was for you to block me for feeling my content was "wrong." You, on the other hand, issue a cool down block (against policy — WP:BLOCK#Cool-down_blocks) in a content dispute only the two of us are involved in (against policy, obviously — WP:BLOCK#Disputes), and you continue reverting, also violating 3RR (against policy — WP:3RR). Why would arbitration and desysoping sound un-cool? I didn't "threaten" you with it regardless what, I explicitly said it wouldn't happen "if you promise to next time take it easy with the block button and not block someone whom you are in a content dispute with." After violating policy so blatantly I expected you to instantly jump at that lifeline, and, perhaps even apologize. But not you, obviously. El_C 16:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
That caption was fine, it was telling the reader that this Senegal Bushbaby is in Chipata. I hope you're being careful, now that you, abusively, own these articles. El_C 14:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
That caption is meaningless. What in the image is clarified by the caption? Nothing. I don't claim to own the articles. But when I see something wrong, I fix it. Your captions were wrong. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
It tells the reader the country and city it's in, how is it meaningless? El_C 14:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
It's trivia. It's not relevant information. It's not appropriate. The taxobox is not for that purpose. It's for a quick reference. The "male/female" caption on (I believe) some deer species you added was highly appropriate, as it answers the question "why are these two different?" But "sitting in a tree" or "in X country" doesn't answer a potential question about the image. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Let's say I'm persuaded: Why couldn't you explain that, instead of violating 3RR (who needs a cool down, indeed), and blocking me (who needs a cool down to the exponent of ten). El_C 14:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I can ask the same of you: Why couldn't you ask for clarification, instead of ignoring me and reverting? :) - UtherSRG (talk) 14:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but I didn't block you, I could have, but I didn't. That makes me a restraint administrator, which is more than I could say for your act. It didn't seem you were that interested in discussing anything, seeing how you removed the full image of the singing vole (better for perspective, I thought), without an explanation of why you did it. El_C 14:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Could I make a suggestion. As feelings are still running high could you two stop talking to each other intil tomorrow. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 14:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I think we're getting some where now, Theresa, otherwise I'd agree. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
On second thought, you were right. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
No interest in answering why you reverted me two days ago (arguably starting the problem) without an explanation. Now that you have no answer about your wrongdoing, you suddenly agree with Theresa. How convenient. El_C 15:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

UtherSRG, I think you should apologize to El_C for blocking him. There's no way that block was justified. You may also find Taxman's comment here to be of interest. Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 16:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in but it would seem surprising to see a fellow admin blocked in an instance like this. Please do consider a different approach next time if at all possible. ++Lar: t/c 21:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

re: mammals

I removed "warm-blooded" from mammals again, and I'll tell you why -- it's a term that's fallen out of favor with scientists because it's too vague. (I'm a biologist by training.) I said naked mole rats were "nearly" warm-blooded because the term warm-blooded is so vague that you could interpret them as either being homeothermic or not -- they're homeothermic within the limits of their habitat, but if you took them anywhere else they'd be ectothermic, or "cold-blooded." Here is a good link discussing this issue -- http://www.dinosauria.com/jdp/misc/blood.htm. --Choi9999 (talk) 17:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

ok. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

talk

read my talk page ::Manors:: talk to me 15:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Read. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, and again please. ::Manors:: talk to me 18:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
You don't need to reply here. I have you on my watchlist. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Jarnail Singh

Hi. Please note that an article you previously deleted in 2006 has been re-created without reference to the original. The new version is a bona fide biography of the subject, a Football League referee. Furthermore, it now asserts notability, and for this reason I request that you do not delete it once more without reference to the above. Thanks. Ref (chew)(do) 02:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. - UtherSRG (talk) 05:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Felines/felids

so i guess that discussion didn't come to consensus. i think if i were a biologist, seeing that would irk me. hell, i'm not a biologist and it still irks me. i agree that the scientific community will eventually come to capitalize/standardize specific common names, though i think there presently remains a lot of wiggle room. but felid/feline and canid/canine? that's a confusing mess just begging for standardization. - Metanoid (talk, email) 02:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL! Silly non-scientists... ;) - UtherSRG (talk) 02:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

this is completely unrelated to cats; but could you delete Comnmon Snapping Turtle? it's a redirect. i'm trying to move Snapping turtle to its proper name, but the redir happens to have a (2 line) history, so nothing doing. thx - Metanoid (talk, email) 20:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL! I've done the delete and move. Your job is to clean it up. :D - UtherSRG (talk) 20:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Peking Man edits

I don't understand why you reverted my edit and are insisting on formatting the url the way you are doing so. The way you have it, it is not a hyperlink. I don't know what "rules" lurk in the hearts of wikipedia editors, but I am dubious that a non-hyperlinked url is preferred to a hyperlinked url. theloavesandthevicious (talk) 00:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The problem was, in part, due to the way popups shows differences. What I saw was that you were removing the citation template. Sorry. I've fixed that reference and the others so that they are all correct now. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Peck123

Pardon my language, but this little prick has fucked up my user page and user talk. I have no clue how to fix it, but I saw you drop a little nasty on his user page. Can someone block the little shit? I try not to speak like this but I'm livid, because of what he did, and because I have no clue how to fix it. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 15:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Now to see if User:Elfish existed before.... but I think not. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. And now I know to fix this, which is you moved ElFish back to Orangemarlin? Am I correct? OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Correct, but I'm pretty sure only an admin can undo it. Not positive... i've been an admin too long to remember what non-admins can and can't do. ;) - UtherSRG (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
As far as I recall, anyone can move a page unless the destination page has significant history (redirects don't count). Guettarda (talk) 16:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah right. The trick to making it require an admin is to do the move, then edit the newly created redirect. Which it doesn't look like Peck had done, so Orange, you could have moved your user page (and talk page) yourself. But you didn't know, and Peck needed banning anyway. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yep. Good call on the block. Guettarda (talk) 17:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, too bad the vandal wasn't more creative. ;) - UtherSRG (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
That conversation was too complicated. I've asked Guettarda to semi-protect my page from moves, so I don't have to worry about it again. Of course, I might have to employ these techniques if someone vandalizes a real article. Oh what a pain.OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 17:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Watchlists

Hello again! I was wondering if there is a mammals watchlist? I have been putting all of the template I create on one page (2 pages, actually) and use the "recentrelated changes" link as a watchlist to check, but it is an incomplete watchlist at the moment. But I was wondering if WP:MAM had a formal watchlist and if not, would it be prudent to build one? Also, what do you use to watch all of the mammal articles (I hope not your personal watchlist -- that can get pretty massive I bet!). Rgrds. --Tombstone (talk) 16:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I just use my personal watchlist. I have about 3500 entries on it. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Do you think it would be beneficial to the Mammals Project to build a watchlist? If we can accumulate all of the articles in one place then others can click the "related changes" link to watch them. (That would take some of the burden off of you!) I think a good start would be here and here but the templates don't include subspecies or extinct species. (Also, they don't seem to track page moves....) I figure articles that aren't on the templates can be cut & pasted onto the collection of links to be included on the "watchlist". Another possibility is utilizing such articles as List of rodents and clicking "related changes" What is your opinion? Do you think I should propose this at WT:MAMMAL? --Tombstone (talk) 18:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it would hurt to propose it. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Mammal caps

Hey there. Saw you mentioned a recent scientific proposal for caps on mammal names. Where's that at? — Laura Scudder ☎ 15:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

It is here. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Pons Aelius

I bloody wrotte it myself, I will delete it if I so wish.

It will be back up when I sort some stuff out.

And I will get my signature sorted aswell.

Jeez, why is it so frickin hard to coexist with otehr human beings on wikipedia???!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geronimo57 (talk • contribs)

Just because you worked on it does not mean you own it. You are not to deleted articles by blanking them. It is against our policies. If you want an article deleted, you must go through the proper channels. Follow the links in the warning I've given you on your talk page. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Angela Dotchin

You deleted this article about 6 weeks ago as a copyvio of [2]. It looks to me as though the article on Wikipedia was built up over a number of edits, and the likelihood is that www.perfectpeople.net copied our article rather than the other way around. The article has since been recreated. Could you reassess, please.-gadfium 05:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine now. Tiny stub, but fine. - UtherSRG (talk) 05:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking of undeleting the history if you agree that the original is not a copyvio.-gadfium 05:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I believe you may be right, given the age of the article, its history, and the similarity between our articles and other bios on that website. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Ptosis (eyelid)

Hi I didn't replace the Wikipedia page on Ptosis (eyelid) with blank content, I only removed the part about traditional chinese medicine treatment. The source used for the info on TCM (http://tcm.health-info.org/5-SENSES/Eye/Eye.homepage.htm) is questionable Peony Muds (talk) 15:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

What makes it questionable? - UtherSRG (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on it says that "Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for fact-checking. Such sources include websites and publications that express views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, are promotional in nature, or rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions." A website claiming that a condition is caused by "Spleen Qi Deficiency" is hardly a mainstream view and it doesn't provide any proof or sources. What next, a section on faith healing treatment? Peony Muds (talk) 16:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
But Wikipedia isn't saying that ptosis is caused by that. Wikipedia is saying that TCM says that ptosis is caused by that. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia also says that "Questionable sources should only be used in articles about themselves." Peony Muds (talk) 17:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
That still doesn't say that this was a questionable source. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I think this discussion should be moved to the talk page of the article, are you ok with that? Peony Muds (talk) 19:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Human

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LOL! - UtherSRG (talk) 15:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


lemur

Hey, I'm sorry, I hope I'm not violating any more rules by doing this. I created the page on female social dominance in lemurs that you would like to merge with the main lemur page. I would really like to keep it as a separate page please. I have linked it to the lemur page so it can be accessed that way and I plan to add more to it. I'm sorry for the confusion, I'm new at this. Thank you so much! --BIOEE278WIM2008 (talk) 15:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

No. It is merged. Leave it be. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I actually have to keep it as its own page for my class, what can I do to keep it as its own page? I noticed that there are a lot of pages on individual lemur species that have been kept independent from the main page. Is this really that different? --BIOEE278WIM2008 (talk) 15:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not responsible for what you need to do for your class. The article is not acceptable as a standalone article. It has been merged. Each species, genus, family, etc. get their own article, and yes, it is very different. We're an encyclopedia, not a classroom. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for your help. --BIOEE278WIM2008 (talk) 15:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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Mountain Brushtail Possum

It looks much better; I added a couple of Australian geography-related links (i.e. Great Dividing Range and have upgraded it to B. Frickeg (talk) 23:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Great! - UtherSRG (talk) 23:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Status on WP:NYCPT

Hello. I've noticed that you have registered as a member of WP:NYCPT. Please go to Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/Participants and add or correct you status as an active or semi-active member, as well as if you are an admin, whay projects you work on, and a sample of the work you do in the NYCPT scope. Thank you. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 15:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

WP: NOBIGDEAL

I humbly remind your greatness that being granted the title of administrator is WP:NOBIGDEAL Bugguyak (talk) 08:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

True, but if one doesn't bother to register an account, but is going to warn me about 3RR.... don't you think that's even more ridiculous? At least that's what I assume you are referring to.... - UtherSRG (talk) 08:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Input requested

Hello again. Forgive me for pestering you again, but I was wanting add'l input from you. When I started adding the templates, I was mainly copying the species lists from the WP articles and pasting them into a template, utterly unaware of any discrepancies with MSW3. In going through the Rodents, I started fixing some of these, but there are probably quite a few discrepancies. I was thinking the templates could be compared to MSW3 since the templates represent a fairly accurate reflection of the species lists in the WP articles. Just a thought.

The real reason I stopped by was because I was going to place some documentation on the templates, currently at User:Tombstone/Mammal templates/doc. I was hoping you would proof it for me and provide feedback. I'm not married to anything in the documentation, so please edit the page as you see fit, if you want to. I did have one specific concern, I arbitrarily listed the full binomial name (ex. Zaglossus bartoni) instead of using the abbreviated species name (ex. Z. bartoni). Now I am thinking the abbreviated species name is better, but I am not sure it is worth worrying about and wanted to see what you thought. Thanks for your time, rgrds. --Tombstone (talk) 17:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll check out the docs. Could you check my recent contributions in the last few days for possible changes that will be needed to your templates? I think modifying the templates to use the abbreviated name makes sense. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I'll start converting the templates to the abbreviated species name soon. I assume you mean just your moves (and to fix the redirects on the templates), if so that's no problem. Let me know if you meant other edits, too. Rgrds. --Tombstone (talk) 22:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
In amongst the moves and redirect fixes, there are some actual edits as well. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The documentation looks good, other than changing full species name to the abbreviated version. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Taxobox correction

I've reverted a lot of pages, can you tell me which one you are referring to? J.delanoygabsadds 22:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, sorry. I wasn't paying attention when I did that, and I did not realize that the article was about a genus. J.delanoygabsadds 23:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Work

You do not work for ITT. Please correct your page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.190.254.108 (talk) 16:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You are correct. Updated. Thanks. Who are you? - UtherSRG (talk) 16:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandal

Hi there! I see you noticed that this anon IP is vandalising: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:208.125.125.195 Well, I just found out that he vandalised the Battle of Baltimore, putting the British with 2,000 casualties and the Americans with 20. As I saw this was his last warning, I took it you were an admin, so I thought best to warn you first. Good day to you sir! (Trip Johnson (talk) 23:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC))

Thanks. I've blocked them for 3 days. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Help Desk Comments

I will answer what I know and will not answer what I don't. Adam (Manors) 17:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Mammals of Australia

Hey, I know you have a lot of these articles on your watchlist. I must be making your watchlist virtually unusable with all my categorisation. My apologies for that. If it wasn't bad enough that I am doing so much categorisation, I'm also trying to revert and repair in response to feedback, and occasionally screwing it up. e.g. I added a whole lot of whales to the regional cats, then got feedback that this was stupid, removed the whales, dolphins and seals, then realised that the seals really did belong there, etc. Over the next week or so, I'll finish up the categorisation by state. You may have noticed Category:Extinct mammals of South Australia; I'll probably create extinction categories for the others states too, because it bothers me to see extinct and extant fauna mixed together. The other possibility that is on my mind is to subdivide mammals by taxon e.g.

Mammals of Australia (platypus, echidna)
|-Marsupials of Australia (marsupial mole)
| |-Dasyuromorphs of Australia (about 70 species)
| |-Peramelemorphs of Australia (about 20 species)
| |-Diprotodonts of Australia (about 100 species)
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  |-Bats of Australia
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What do you think? Hesperian 01:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I have over 3500 articles on my watchlist. I just make the viewable portion of my watchlist very large so that when you do that kind of work (or someone else), I can still see if there's anything I need to watch out for. I think you're on the right track with your categorization schemes. You should look for feedback from the Marsupial Project. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you review Gorilla?

Hi. I was wondering if you could rate the gorilla article and tell me if it is maybe at GA status. You dont have to but I don't know how else to request a review. Sorry for wasting your time in advance. Yojimbo501 (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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Navneet Singh Khadian

Respected Sir/Madam, Thanks for your message regarding proposed deletion of article Navneet Singh Khadian. As advised, I have expanded the article with NPOV information available online. I have also added "20 NPOV" references to support the provided information.

I have good interest in the history of Punjab and Sikhism, so if you ever come across any article being deleted, kindly notify me so that I could try to improve those articles.

I have read a lot of information regarding Khalistan Movement, the related personalities and huge number of crimes committed by Indian security forces in some of the north-Indian newspapers, but unfortunately this information is not available online. For example, The Tribune, one of north-Indian newspapers does not have any online editions prior to year 2001 and Ajit, a regional newspaper of India etc did not have any online editions untill very recently. Also, India’s National magazine, Frontline does not have archive records prior to 1997. Any advice on this matter please Singh6 (talk) 05:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)?

Noted. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Please watch vandalism on Navneet Singh Khadian

UtherSRG, I have recently recovered this article from vandalism from user Mightyunit, Please watch his vandalism in the future. I am concerned because I have done a lot of work to improve it with additional information and NPOV 20 references. Singh6 (talk) 16:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Elevated to AFD. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Mass scale vandalism by user Mightyunit

Respected Sir, since you are an administrator, hence I would like to bring to your kind notice that user Mightyunit is doing mass scale vandalism in Kanwar Pal Singh Gill and Navneet Singh Khadian articles.

He has edited [[Kanwar Pal Singh Gill article four times during last few hours already. He has deleted several NPOV references and information so far. Please see 1, 2, 3 and he has deleted information and references from 4 - Amnesty International and HRW as well. His vandalism on this article is going on from last days[1][2]

Regarding Navneet Singh Khadian, he has deleted NPOV references and information several times and I am struggling hard to save this article from his vandalism. Please see 1, 2 and 3. I strongly beleive that he is deleting information to influence wikipedia members views onAfD.

On top of it, user Mightyunit has also deleted vandalism warnings from his own talk page today. This is gross violation of his editing rights.

Kindly Help.Singh6 (talk) 05:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, User Mightyunit has just created his account on May 1st 2008 at 6:53 when tense discussion on IHRO is going on with 202.54.176.51 and he has started doing mass changes into human rights related sentences in those articles which became the reason of [IHRO's tense discussion]. This discussion is still in progress. Would you be able to check if these mass changes have suddenly started happening from the same IP address, i.e. 202.54.176.51 . Singh6 (talk) 06:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You and he are involved in an edit war. I'm an admin, yes, but I don't deal with resolving edit wars. Take it to mediation. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Why did you revert my addition to Neanderthal?

HI! It was well researched and I ref'ed it. If you're going to delete something, give a reason. Saintrain (talk) 18:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It was not well researched. It was non-scientific information. Do better next time. I make too many reverts to put an edit summary in every single one. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Plus, see Homo ergaster and Homo erectus. If you are going to make assertions, make sure it doesn't contradict our other articles. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

"I wish I had said that, Whistler."

"His Majesty is like a bizarre four-headed penis... Um ..... It was one of Wilde's."--Shirt58 (talk) 09:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL! - UtherSRG (talk) 09:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 18:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 20:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Rock-haunting Ringtail Possum

Although I agree that this article has been improved beyond sight, I wonder whether it's appropriate to rate it an A without having it go through the GA nomination process. Having a successful GA nomination will help the article if/when it comes to FAC. Frickeg (talk) 08:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh! I thought we could self-assess up to A, but not higher without a community assessment. Go ahead and adjust as appropriate. - UtherSRG (talk) 08:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - I've re-rated it a B, pending GA nomination. The differentiation between GA and A is horridly imprecise, and some projects have A-class assessment teams while others allow anyone to rate something an A - oddly, seeing as you need a review to rate it GA, one below A. Frickeg (talk) 09:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It was a part of my project for a class. ahtsisab (talk) 10:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:30, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Koala's bifurcated uterus

I see that you reverted my edit without stating the reason why you disagree. Nowhere in the cited reference does it state that the vagina is bifurcated. What it does say is:

Female marsupials have two ovaries, two oviducts and two uteri, like other mammals, as well as a unique vaginal apparatus that opens into a urogenital sinus, which also receives the urethra (Tyndale-Biscoe & Renfree 1987).

And it states further that:

The vaginal apparatus consists of two lateral vaginae, each connecting the uterus of the same side to the urogenital sinus. The anterior end of each lateral vagina, separated only by a common median septum, unite into a vaginal cul-de-sac, into which the uterine cervices open (Tyndale-Biscoe & Renfree 1987).

I have therefore amended the text to bring it into line with the above. Regards LittleOldMe (talk) 10:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Zorro chilote

Hi. I explained my reverted edition here. Bye. Lin linao (talk) 00:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Consistency of capitalizing species common names. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Please, answer in talk page of article (I found this looking for causes of silence :)). My edition was about Spanish name, because sounds like both Chiloé Zorro and Zorro Chilote [sic] are in Spanish, but only zorro chilote (English and Spanish common names aren't capitalized) is a Spanish name: means "fox from Chiloe"; Chiloé Zorro maybe is an English name, but the sentence is unclear. Bye. Lin linao (talk) 08:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

island fox

ok, i can understand you disagreeing with the change I made to the main article, why did you delete the discussion item? By the way I have a stuffed California Gray Fox that I shot on a trap line in 1966 before it was illegal. She is a beautiful example of the species.

Saltysailor (talk) 17:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Article talk pages are for the discussion of the article (such as improving it), not for discussing the subject of the article (like saying how cute it is). - UtherSRG (talk) 18:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Sperm Whale

A little birdie told me that MSW uses the taxonomic name Physeter catedon for the Sperm Whale, yet Wikipedia persists with Physeter macrocephalus. Any idea why? Hesperian ~

MSW3 says: "Linnaeus used both catodon and macrocephalus in the 10th edition. P. catodon has line priority and, according to Linnaeus' diagnoses, is the only name applicable." As such, I'm going to change it to catodon. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

"new" sportive lemurs

Why not Louis, Jr, 2006 for the authority? Look at sportive lemur's ** note. He's the primary author. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I thought I had left that as a stray reference when I copied the taxobox. I restored the references to Louis.Rlendog (talk) 02:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok. Also, they should be in Category:Prosimians. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Reversion of Maned Wolf

Why did you revert my changes to Maned Wolf?

Please explain yourself in detail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.169.200 (talk) 12:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I explained enough in the edit summary... - UtherSRG (talk) 12:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Gymnure

I noticed you reverted several of my recent edits. I understand where you are coming from in most instances...but why did you remove the Deinogalerix.JPG from the article Gymnure? If you examine the article on Deinogalerix, you will see it is a gymnure. The reason it doesn't appear in the gymnure taxobox is because it is extinct. Bob the Wikipedian (talk) 21:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

So find an extant gymnure for the article on extant gymnures.... - UtherSRG (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Then the article must remain imageless, as I cannot find any. Bob the Wikipedian (talk) 12:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Pampas fox

Two photo upload as gray fox is photo of pampas fox. See photo of pampas fox and place make of photo-Argentina, there exist pampas fox. It was bad upload and You bad doing that You delete it from this article. Wikipedia is open encyclopedia.

Caniche, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caniche (talk • contribs) 15:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Your English is fairly difficult to understand. It seems that you are trying to say that the images I removed from the article were correct, but uploaded improperly. If that is so, then you need to upload the images properly and have the incorrect images removed. But since I can't understand you well enough, I'm not certain that that is what you are saying. You should consider NOT editing on the English language Wikipedia without someone who can translate your poor English. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hello again. The Highly Active Users project has gone through a complete revamping per popular demand. We believe this new format will make it easier for new editors to find assistance. However, with the new format, I must again ask you to verify your information on this page. I attempted to translate the data from the old version to the new, but with the extensive changes, I may have made some errors. Thanks again. Useight (talk) 03:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. - UtherSRG (talk) 07:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

A tiger, in Africa?

Hi again,

  • "it's covered later under habitat and distribution" - yep, as per Wikipedia:Lead section, I should have known better;
  • "your choice of dab phrases does not fit" - did you mean the edit summary or the edit itself? I'm guessing it was the edit summary. I've looked all over the MoS and so forth but can't find a dab phrase guideline. I get the impression that it's customary rather than policy... nevertheless, to improve my future edits, I'd be most obliged if you you can point me there;
  • And now for something completely different

--Shirt58 (talk) 11:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL! - UtherSRG (talk) 07:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Raccoon dog

Hi, not sure if I was supposed to comment on your revision here or on the talk page of the article, so I asked a question about your edit on the article talk page. --Pwayman (talk) 08:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Wherever. - UtherSRG (talk) 07:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Indian Hedgehog

Try searching for the papers in google, or better still in [www.pubmed.gov] which is an online record of citations by the National Institute of Health. This should clarify your doubts.Dudewheresmywallet (talk) 12:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC) PS: The article has a link to the Hedgehog family of Proteins, this should also calm your fears of hoax. IHH is pretty well known in development and chondrogenesis. I was surprised and article didn't exist already.Dudewheresmywallet (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

You have my unreserved apologies on behalf the scientific community . It gets crazier (assuming you have also seen Sonic hedgehog article). Pity us my friends :) Dudewheresmywallet (talk) 12:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 12:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Apes

There is a big problem with the article. It is not a different problem than other articles have. Here it is:

Wikipedia DEFINES a term as being X. The definition is not cited and is contradictory to what can be cited Despite this lack of citation, the article then goes on to provide details under the concept provided in the definition.

This article is an example of that.

I realize that many religious people will want to argue about this and so that is what is believed to be the concern when people reject such things, but my objection is not religious. It is technical. Human's should not be considered Apes because the term is a non-scientific term that nevertheless has multiple official definitions that exclude men, some explicitly so. Wikipedia should not change the meaning of english words and invent new meanings. --209.101.50.194 (talk) 10:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I have had this discussion several times, and I'm not willing to have it again. I'm tired of it. Humans are apes. No ifs, ands, or buts. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Picture

Hi, did you not like my cat picture I added? ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(Ταλκ) 19:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

No. Read the talk page and discuss it before adding a picture. There are already many pictures on that article. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Chinese Mountain Cat

Hi UtherSRG. Here you changed Chinese Mountain cat into Chinese Mountain Cat. Is this now consense in en wiki? --Altaileopard (talk) 11:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

At the very least, consistency rules. The rest of the article had it capitalized. the most recent compromise is to keep an article with the capitalization it has, in a consistent fashion. I'm still very pro capitalization, so I capitalize when there is a mix. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

page move vandal

We have a new page move vandal who likes to mass-move random articles to sensible alternative titles, using edit summaries like "per Manual of Style" or "per recent discussion at the WikiProject". Your imposter account is just one of many accounts doing this. Presumably checkuser isn't telling them anything, or they'd have nailed him already. The fact that your name has been introduced so late in proceedings suggests that this wasn't really targetted specifically at you; you're just a drive-by victim. Hesperian 02:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thrilling. :( - UtherSRG (talk) 02:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Was that one real or fictitious? at thylacine SatuSuro 01:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It was a red link. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
aah thanks SatuSuro 02:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Np. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Marsupial Lion

Thx for fixing that typo of mine. I was just going to tidy the article up a bit (order the info more logically and make it a little less sensationalist) but it really needs a little more work than I at first thought. I am part-way through editing it (offline) but it's not in a suitable state to simply drop in. I have to go non-Wiki for a few hours but will return to finish what I started. Happy to incorporate any suggestions. Cheers, Secret Squïrrel, approx 07:30, 23 May 2008 (Earth Standard Time)

No problem. - UtherSRG (talk) 07:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeh but when I or anyone else type in "marsupial lion" we are talking about the actual "Marsupial Lion" as in Thylacoleo carnifex not the family. The name "Marsupial Lion" refers to the one species. This is why marsupial lion should redirect to the marsupial lion not the family. There is already a redirect marsupial lions which goes to the family and this is based on the same logic as penguins, frogs, etc. So what is the problem? Cazique (talk) 07:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The problem is that the way it was before your edit was agreed to by concensus. Please leave it. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
What previous concensous? It looks like you have been edit warring with every one. In order for their to be a concensous you have to answer me. So again, what is the problem? Cazique (talk) 14:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
See Talk:Thylacoleonidae. Please discuss *before* changing, not after, when a discussion has already been had on the topic. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes a discussion where they both said what I was saying. There in no way was a concensous they just gave up. So you need to discuss before having it your way as clearly more than just I disagree with what you are doing and you have not even given a good reason yet. Cazique (talk) 17:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey UtherSRG. I found this really good article from the Australian Museum website that perfectly backs up this recent edit dispute: [3]. It uses the same capitalization you have been advocating. This sentence perfectly sums it up: "The pinnacle of marsupial 'lion' evolution was the most recent species, Thylacoleo carnifex, a widely distributed and common find in fossil deposits across the length and breadth of Australia." I added it in as a reference in the article. Just thought you'd like to know. Cheers. LonelyMarble (talk) 05:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you also note that User:Cazique had already violated the three-edit rule on the Marsupial lion page and I warned him on the talk page not to revert again and he did. I've added a warning on his talk page and I would suggest blocking him if he violates it again because he is being disruptive after I tried in vain to solve it civilly. LonelyMarble (talk) 08:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the research! But I won't be saying anything about 3RR... as I'm also guilty of it. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Revert warring

Dear UtherSRG,

Having examined the history of Marsupial Lion, you have engaged with User:Cazique in a revert war. I have reported you to WP:3RR and not him solely on the basis that he stopped these actions after he was warned. I have suggested contributors to Talk:Thylacoleonidae vote on the issue of redirect direction to establish a consensus. I'd like it if you took part in this, this situation needs to be resolved.

The best, Mark t young (talk) 15:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

Revert warring on Marsupial lion. EdJohnston (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a damned redirect we're fighting over. I'm going to get blocked for this? Ridiculous. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
And indeed, Cazique was equally aware of the 3RR violation on his part, and continued. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

{{unblock|I'll refrain from editting that redirect for the duration of the block. Please allow me to resume other edits.}}

I've contacted the administrator who blocked you - let's hang on for a bit and see what happens... thanks, Alex Muller 16:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Okie dokie. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Unblocked with the consent of the blocking admin. Please don't go anywhere near edit warring, 3RR or that article for the next two days or so

Request handled by: Alex Muller 16:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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I'll wait it out. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Marsupial Lion

A recent edit war concerning a page you recently edited (but may not have been involved with the war) is being resolved via a poll. If you have an opinion, please voice it now by voting at Talk:Thylacoleonidae. Bob the Wikipedian (talk) 20:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Noted and voted. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply to the following, defend your logic. You think you are right? Then prove it and defend your illogical comments.

"You have not yet offered a valid logic. You said "Look at the articles for penguins, pigs, monkeys, frogs, birds, or any other plural animal. What do they all have in common? They are all redirects to a singular titled article." but according to that logic the plural marsupial lions is also a redirect to the family. But this is not what you are edit warring over, you are edit warring over singular, non-plural marsupial lion. Which refers to the marsupial lion. So what don't you understand? Cazique (talk) 17:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)" Cazique (talk) 17:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Please stop repeating yourself. I have answered you already. You are being a nuisance. Have you heard the definition of insane? Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. I'll say it again. You are hiding the problem by dab'ing the capitalized Marsupial Lion with the uncapitalized marsupial lion. This is what should be:
How much more clarification do you need? This is consistent with a great number of other articles. What are you not getting? Plural links redirect to singular articles. This is what is done. Are you refuting that this is what is done? I offered you a laundry list of other articles that work this way. Can you offer a list of other articles that operate in the manner you wish to the marsupial lion redirects to work? The ball is and has been in your court to offer up something concrete to hold up your desired edit. You have yet to offer proof your edit should stand. I have repeatedly shown the logic and the links that uphold my choice of edits. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I need not repeat myself if you defend your illogical comments. I have made you out to be a fool by pointing out what you said is illogical and you will not defend it. I mean it isn't just about defending your comments, it's about defending yourself too, as these comments came from you and affect people's views on you. As people can easily see where I got my quote from by going to my talkpage and then see how it does not make sense. If you choose to not defend your comments you are only hurting yourself. Cazique (talk) 17:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I have defended my comments and myself. There is nothing wrong with what I said. What are you disagreeing with? Please be specific, and don't just repeat yourself as you have been doing. And don't confuse the issue with dab's that mask capitalized and uncapitalized forms. As for the edit that I desire, what do you think is wrong with it? What do you disagree with?
Do you think this is wrong: Marsupial Lion is a species article, with a redirect from Marsupial Lions.
Do you think this is wrong: marsupial lion is a family article (or redirect to a family article), and marsupial lions is a redirect to the family article.
- UtherSRG (talk) 17:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, if you say so. I have repeated myself 3 times now so third parties can see for themselves as you think "There is nothing wrong with what I said". Don't worry I wont repeat myself, you can just read all that I have already said and answer your own questions. Cazique (talk) 17:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
So tell me what you think is wrong with what I said. Oh wait, you think you have. Try a different way. I've asked clarifying questions. I've given examples of what I think is right. I've asked for you to give examples of what you think is right. All you've done is parrot my words and say I'm not answering you. when in fact, it is you who is not answering me. So let me again try something else. This is what you want, correct?
Marsupial Lion and marsupial lion mean the same thing, the species T. carnifex.
Marsupial Lions and marsupial lions mean the same thing, the family Thylacoleonidae.
However, this goes against the Wikipedia standard that plurals should redirect to singulars, and the WP:MaM policy that capitalization indicates a species, and lower case indicates a higher taxa. How to you reconsile what you want with the existing standards and policies? - UtherSRG (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Say what you want, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't put words in my mouth. Cazique (talk) 18:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

So tell me what you want, instead of making me guess. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I can't answer that comment without repeating myself, ironic really. Cazique (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Don't be a jerk. What would you like? - UtherSRG (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

For 55 hours, because of this revert. Seriously, why would you not just stay away from it for the next day or so? If I were you, I'd just ride this block out and go back to the discussion afterwards. Alex Muller 17:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh please! It was edited by mistake, as it was clearly said on talk:Thylacoleonidae.
If it was a mistake, then you should have self-reverted. And if it was a mistake, then you wouldn't mind if I reverted you to restore the status quo and help your cause for unblock, correct? The Evil Spartan (talk) 18:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
The editor before me edited by mistake. I was correcting his mistake, pointed it out on the edit summary, and made note of it on the appropriate talk page. the edit I made should stand until consensus is reached on the ongoing discussion, at the least because that's the state the redirect was before the edit war, but also because the current discussion has leaned strongly in that direction. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
No. The editor before, redirected it to the animal "Marsupial Lion", just as everyone else has been doing that you have been edit warring with. He did this without knowing there was a lengthy discussion about this very point in process on the talkpage of "Thylacoleonidae". There is no reason why it should have been reverted by yourself as we were still in discussion trying to reach a concensous on the issue. So do not influence other editors with false information as you have been doing. You were blocked because you did not follow the conditions which the admin put in place upon blocking us. If someone else has reverted his edit or if he himself reverted it, you would not be blocked. You must learn to abide and not have things your way all the time. Cazique (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
So i'm blocked for doing something that someone else should have done, but hadn't. Silly. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Again, you are not blocked for fixing a mistake, for a failure of administrators to understand the situation, or any other such thing. Please read User:The Evil Spartan/Unblock. The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Fine. I'll wait out the block. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | rangeblocks | unblock | contribs | deleted contribs) has asked to be unblocked, but an administrator has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock request while you are blocked.

Request reason: "it was edited by mistake, I was fixing the mistake, I directed the editor to the ongoing discussion in the edit summary, and replied to him there that the edit should stay until the discussion has reached a consensus. It was the right thing to do. Please direct folks to my text below (in response to Cazique) if I am not to be unblocked."

Decline reason: "Endorsed for extensive editwarring on Marsupial lion. Your request is not understandable. —  Sandstein  19:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)"

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My most recent (blocked) edit to talk:Thylacoleonidae:

What don't you understand? You keep confusing the issue by dab'ing the capitalized with the capitalized. There are two issues: the difference between a capitalized link and uncapitalized link, and the difference between a singular link and a plural link. As per WP:MaM, which these article fall under, species common names are capitalized (Marsupial Lion, Marsupial Lions), and family common names are not capitalized (marsupial lion, marsupial lions). Do you understand this? You don't seem to. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

while I wait....

work to be done:

Please stop trying to make a point. I know at least one other user who did this mindless until it got him blocked: User:Light current. The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not trying to make a point. I'm keeping track of the edits I need to make when my block has expired. Is there some place better for me to keep this list? - UtherSRG (talk) 21:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)