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[edit] ICON???

CHARMED she is an ICON??? She is nobody's icon. Her impact in culture is minimal, how can anyone claim that she's an icon? She's never been referenced in pop culture, the media have never been into her, no one knows that much about her. I bet a lot of people don't even know she's mixed. Madonna, Michael Jackson, Cher, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Beatles, Elvis, Prince, those are icons. Mariah Carey isn't.

To answer your statement: She is always being mentioned in pop culture and at most time, "the forefront". Your Statemnt, "...the media have never been into her, no one knows that much about her. I bet a lot of people don't even know she's mixed," is completely false and if you turn it around, you'll be right. See, it doesn't matter if your personal isn't all over the place and out of control, once you are an icon, there is no denying it. Yes, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Cher, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Beatles, Elvis, and Prince are all icons and they have had there personal life mixed up in the tasbloids. Jut because Mariah Carey doesn't have that type of drama in her life doen't mean she is not an icon. Here at Wiki we strive to show all facts and the fact is Ms. Carey is an icon and has influenced most of the current singers today. Just ask any new female singer (i.e. those who started after 1996 to present) and you will know how Mariah has influenced them. Don't take my word alone for it. Watch interviews by many singers about their influences--Mikéylicious & Really, Really Hot!!! (talk) 13:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
No she's rarely mentioned in pop culture. You can probably count the number of references with one hand, whereas someone like Madonna or Diana Ross has thousands of references. And yeah there's a few singers who cite her as influences, but thats becuase she's successful right now and on the charts. If you ask them 20 years from now (or even back in 2002 when she was irrevelant), they wouldn't talk about her. She's only talked about when she's on the charts. Elvis has been dead for more than 20 years yet he's still mentioned all the time, thats an icon. Go ask a group of non-fans who Mariah is dating, you'll find out no one will know the answer. Ask them about Michael "Boner" Jackson, and they'll tell you about Lisa Marie Presley. She is not an icon and that word should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dswhite85 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Have to agree. I don't see Mariah as an icon. What she is, is a successful singer. She's never experimented with her music the way Madonna, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and Cher all have. These singers have released everything from pop to dance to R&B to rock to hip-hop to gospel; whereas Mariah stays safely in the comfort of pop/R&B. This may give her the hit singles and thus make her less prone to failed albums but in the long run it doesn't garner the respect the other artists have by putting themselves out on the line with something different on their albums. Another example, look at American Idol, one of the most popular shows of our time. Whitney's material is all over that show. Mariah, who everyone agrees is also a capable singer, rarely gets her material sung by the contestants. Mariah is very successful indeed, not to take anything away from her, but not what you call an icon. And for the record, Mariah too had her less successful albums even with the same pop/R&B formula: Glitter, The Greatest Hits, and Charmbracelet all struggled to go gold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Whitney Houston experimented with her music? I don't agree... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 01:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes she has. In fact, she may be the one who has done it the most. Whitney has many genres of music under her belt. I won't name every single song but just to give an example: The entire "Whitney" album (pop); The entire "I'm Your Baby Tonight" album (R&B); "Queen Of The Night", "Tell Me No" (rock); The entire "Preacher's Wife" album (gospel); "I'm Every Woman" and countless others (dance); "In My Business" (hip-hop); "Heartbreak Hotel" (hip-hop soul). I like Mariah but she cannot claim that type of coverage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 02:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I beg to differ Mariah hasnt done anything other than having 17 Number Ones in the USA. She may be big in the 90s but her style, her persona, her diva, persona and image could not be said as pop culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewan20s (talk • contribs) 15:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


I believe that her 17 No.1 Hot 100 singles is all that Mariah can boast of... but take note that Elvis, The Beatles, Madonna and Michael Jackson have more hit singles, both in the US and worldwide, than Mariah has had (with only 25 US Top 10 hits). But I have to admit, Mariah has indeed one of the best voices we have around though her success/popularity is limited to US and Southeast Asia only. Cultural impact? I don't think Mariah has that and she can never be called an icon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diphosphate8 (talk • contribs) 03:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

"She's never experimented with her music the way Madonna, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and Cher all have"

  • Yes she has. I'll give you an example: Vision of Love, Dreamlover (Pop/R&B); Hero, Without You (Pop); Emotions, Make It Happen (Dance); You Need Me, Bringin' On the Heartbreak (Rock); If It's Over, Mine Again (Soul); Fly Like A Bird, My Saving Grace (Gospel); The Wind (Jazz); Breakdown, Underneath the Stars (R&B); The Roof (R&B/Hip Hop); Lil' Love (Hip Hop). —Preceding unsigned comment added by F9o0oly (talk • contribs) 13:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Umm you're stretching it there. Try it again without the fanatic bias. All her songs can fit into POP and R&B.

I agree. All those songs are just Pop/R&B, not different musical genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 21:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. To be an ICON you at least have to have some memorable songs that impacted pop culture, songs that became the sound of an era and have become part of pop culture. When you look back to 60s Motown, you think of "Baby Love", "Stop In The Name...", When you talk about 80s you mention "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", "Borderline", "How Will I Know". Mariah only has ONE song that can be called a true classic, and its her Christmas song. Thats how she will be remembered, by a song that gets played 6 weeks each year. She is no icon.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.216.82 (talk) 01:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.197.229 (talk)

"Vision Of Love", "Hero", "Without You" and "All I Want for Christmas Is You" are true classics! —Preceding unsigned comment added by F9o0oly (talk • contribs) 06:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

"Vision of Love" is NOT a classic. Maybe for Mariah's fanbase it is sincei ts her first song, but its not a song that you can play on the street and everyone will know what it is. You can't put that song in a movie because no one will know what it is. You can't play the melody on piano and expect people to recognize it. "Without You" was already a classic before Mariah recorded it. Its a famous song independent of Mariah. Still most people remember the male version anyway. "Hero" I guess is a classic and so is the christmas song you mentioned, but really TWO songs in a 17 year career? 17 #1's yet only 2 classics? Thats not an ICON. 202.4.4.26 (talk) 06:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


oh wait a minute i am so damn sorry that u had to say that...talking bout "oh if you played "vision of love" no one will now what it is!...umm what world do u live in there has been plenty of times i have make people try to guess her music and umm there right it was that song...17 #1s and still going i say mariah has classics more then what u put in her own general way.....so dont be just talking from experience which i bet ur not around an urban enviroment so yea mariah is icon...u got american idol contestants trynna sing her music!! hello!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.129.62 (talk) 11:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL! Mariah? Who? An icon?!? You've gotta be kidding, man! Mariah may be called a successful female singer "IN THE UNITES STATES and SOUTHEAST ASIA" but an icon, I highly doubt it. She's not even well-known in Europe and Latin America. Duh! I don't remember Mariah contributing something to the society nor did she do something that people would remember in 20 years. Honestly, do you think she's in the ranks of Elvis, The Beatles, Madonna, Michael Jackson, or Whitney Houston? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 01:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


wait wait wait a mintue but for one boy!!! mariah is very popular in latin america someone needs to watch youtube..did she not just sell 25 mill plus from her music box album...or what about daydream 22 mill plus...on 10 from both those albums are from america..so wheres the rest....hmm...scattared around the globe..brazil, santo domingo,puerto rico, and spain all love mariah and she is very much well known, she may not appear there as they would like her to but she is still very well known in italy and all them other european countries i dont know where u get ur resources from but ur wrong..maybe her latest album didnt do good worlwide but she is a definte known woirlwide singer...and she has a camp just so u know and u know what she does contribute her music! she has helped save millions of little boys and girls who thank her everyday and cry when they see...and actually shes the only singer that i really seen any fans cry over the "most" anyways so yea...i hear other artists aound the world trynna sing like mariah or even copy her style of music...its everywhere u just need to listen...and i do think she ranks up there...i really do..for one u just think shes not an icon cause shes still big.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.12.123.1 (talk) 11:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The difference between Mariah's COMMERCIAL/CHART success compared to her CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE is astonishing. She is only talked about or mentioned when she's on the charts. If she went away and stopped making music, nobody would talk about her. Because there is really nothing you can say except for her CHART success. Elvis died a long time ago yet his name pops up in books, movies etc. Mariah is not an ICON nor is she a legend. She is nothing more than a successful artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.150.49.130 (talk) 17:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


did u not just hear what you said..open your ears and not your mouth....elvis is DEAD...umm is mariah No! so dont argue u a point that u cant come across untill it actually happens..her CHART SUCCESS for one is because of people listen and buy her music how else...u think billboard just slaps her name on top because shes a great singer no...people somehow become very confused by mariah because she diffrent nationalities and it feels like she can belong to just one which makes her seem like where does she fit in status you know...and she was still alive if mariah where to die today "god please forbid"...her name will be around for years mariahs diffrent her singing is diffrent, from the norm which makes her special...she is an urban popstar and will be known for many years as one of the greatest singers..mariah is something more then a successful singer she is an INSPERATION AN ANGEL AND A SAVIOR in many ways through her music...i love u mc! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.68.63 (talk) 07:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL! My wife is a latina (from Venezuela) and she only knows one song of Mariah. She claims Mariah is not so popular at all in Latin America nor is she in Australia and Europe. Oh by the way, do you know who are the celebrities featured in the "100 Greatest Pop Icons of All Time?" Elvis, Oprah, Madonna, Tom Cruise, Marilyn Monroe, Michael Jackson are all in the Top 10 but sad to say, Mariah is not even in 100th place. So is Mariah what you call an icon, really??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 23:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Add to that, do you have the slightest idea what songs are in the list of "100 Greatest Pop Songs of All-Time" as conducted by Rolling Stone and MTV? To give you an idea, The Beatles have 5, Madonna has 3, Michael Jackson has 3, Rolling Stones have 4, Prince has 3, Janet has 1, Whitney Houston has 1 and sadly MARIAH (though successful "in the U.S.") HAS NONE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 23:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


hmmm how funny? she had landed a spot on vh1 for greatest songs...oh and for 2 mariah is part venezuelan...mariah carey is very much popular in brazil..her latest dvd effort for a concert is number 1 there...and top 5 in spain..and as for australia she is very much known...ur wife claims mariah is not popular in latin america...Hence "your" wife.they just did the bachata to my all in santo domingo... and for two those polls are not conducted by the people..so they really have no say soits all staff and what not....on vh1 they voted and she came in at 12 or 9 i dont remember..and i know u had to capitalize ur words for for excitment but give it up!...oh but yet again she was "voted" number 1 greatest voice in pop music...hmmm...wow ok... anyways mariah ur legendary sweetheart who cares what every other know it all has to say...i have plenty of hispanic and latina friends, and i happen to come from a hispanic family myself and we all had a craze for mariah and still do! we all love to here the songbird..i know u were excited that u actually thought you slammned her status into a wall ,but ya didnt its still opionated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.68.63 (talk) 06:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah! i definitely agree w/ you that Mariah was voted the greatest voice, but for her to be included among the greatest icons of all-time, well you got the people's choice there! mariah's not even in the 100th spot, nor was any of her songs included in the greatest songs of all-time. lol! just admit the fact that "Mariah is successful in the U.S., nothing more than successful and never will be an icon, like Elvis, Whitney, The Beatles, Madonna or Michael Jackson. that's a fact.
so you're questioning how they ranked up the celebrities for the greatest icons? have you asked how mariah got the award for 'best selling pop female' in the world music awards in 2000 without any basis on certified worldwide sales? lol! oh by the way, world music awards has just declared that "celine dion is already the best selling pop female" in 2004... and if you watched american music awards last year, celine was introduced as "the best selling female artist of all time!" though the international phonographic federation and guiness declared madonna as the top selling female singer of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 20:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


actually ur statement that u made is not a fact...i mean give me facts...i mean can u prove from reliable resources that mariah is not an icon legend...or what ever u wanna call it..umm no!...of course celine is introduced as that, so is mariah,whitney and madonna...so yea...and actually the greatest icons was not voted from the people..thats one thing u need to get outta ur head...if it was i def believe mariah would be in the top 5 or 10...so like seriously stop it..shes not that much un recgonized for her talents to not even place 100th...and i really dont care about madonna and cline..there not urban so i can careless...im talking about actual music..not that fake phoney club/wanna be vocalist crap...mariah and whitney...thats it for me..there true singers not like miss goat and slut-bag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.68.63 (talk) 21:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Mariah has success in a few countries around the world but she is a mid-size or small artist in many more countries. Fortunately for her, she is a major artist in the U.S., the biggest music market. There are several factors that all have to come together to make a singer/recording artist an icon. Those are: Album sales; number of hits (say, Top 20 hits on the Hot 100, and a few #1's will help); tours; at least one song that transcends the times; success in other fields outside music; a special, notable event; and international celebrity. Well, Mariah has the sales and the hits, but she is woefully undeveloped as a touring artist. Someone who has been in the music business for 18 years with her level of sales, should not have just three mini-tours under their belt; with the first 2 tours only being about 11 dates each. At this point she is still a studio artist. And I don't buy that stuff written in this article about her having stagefright. Someone with stagefright wouldn't be running around half-naked in the public or in their music videos. Mariah simply didn't tour because she felt her sales were good enough without it, so why do it. But notice when her "Charmbracelt" album struggled, then she went on tour. Mariah doesn't like grueling tour work so she doesn't tour; and singing live at an awards show every so often doesn't make up for it. Britney Spears and Beyonce, who came out way after Mariah, have already surpassed her in the touring department; and all the aforementioned artists have done much more touring after 18 years in the business like Madonna, Whitney, Michael Jackson, the Beatles, and Elvis. As far as songs, Mariah also doesn't have a song that transcended the times: For instance, Michael has his "Beat It"; Whitney has her "I Will Always Love You"; Madonna has her "Like A Virgin", and all these artists also have numerous other hits as well. For Mariah, she just has the hits, but not a stand out song. Mariah is also not a success in any other field: Michael had his "famous jackets" that cause a fashion explosion (no matter how awful they look now). Whitney has not had one failed motion picture yet and has also turned into a successful producer of films. She was also one of the highest paid actresses in Hollywood. She stopped making movies, she wasn't pushed out. And Madonna has had some success (although limited) in movies, but she also had an enormous selling book, "Sex". She also caused a fashion stir when many young girls tried to imitate her manner of dress in the 1980s, although she never chose to put the look in the stores under her name. These artists also have notable events: Michael performing his moonwalk on the Motown Special, and then turning music videos into an important record company tool of promotion; Whitney captivating the nation while singing "The Star Spangled Banner" and turning it into a pop hit along the way, and the whole "Bodyguard" era; Madonna causing a national stir with the release of her "Like A Prayer" music video, and the "Erotica" and "Sex" book combo release she took flack for; the Beatle first coming to America, landing at the airport and driving the nation into a frenzy; and Elvis, well, just shaking his hips on television making every parent worry for their daughter. These artists have worldwide followings. These are some of the things they have achieved to become icons and why Mariah Carey is not. But that doesn't take away from what she has accomplished in her career. She's a very successful recording artist, she's just not an icon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 23:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

i agree with you in somethings...ur actually a smart person in what your talking about...but let me tell u something if that women were to go she will be truly iconic and maybe not in a way as whitney or madonna who had trendsetting moments but more like an inspiration and vocal stylist that many people wish they can be, mariah is from the 90's and all the artist from the 90's have to be dead for them to get that status..i guarantee u not if mariah was to come out in 1988 instead of 1990 we would have not been having this descussion... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.12.123.1 (talk) 04:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I wrote the paragraph above yours and I do agree with you to an extent. If Mariah had come out in the 80s, she would indeed have a higher degree of status that could only help in her being considered an icon. But she's a 90s artist. So to be considered an icon, she must make up for that deficiency as best she can. It may not happen with her starring in movies but that's okay, she could try her hand at producing one. Or she could try executive producing a television show, like Sandra Bullock with "The George Lopez Show" or Salma Hayek with "Ugly Betty". Then touring. She must tour more to get that respect and credibility. That's something all the other icons have in common. Perhaps she could write a book, which I think a book written by Mariah Carey would perform reasonably well on the New York Best Seller List. Other options could be a clothing line. People are always talking about the way she dresses anyway (or lack thereof), so she can turn that publicity into a clothing line for a few years. By doing these things (but not all at the same time) and finding some success with it, she will help her iconic status down the line. If she doesn't, she will only get more appreciation once she dies (but still not iconic) and Michael, Madonna, Whitney, the Beatles, and Elvis would have had it in life and death.


  • a response to the above paragraph that i responed to a couple a days ago* you know im actually gonna agree with u "again", u didnt type that with ignorence like the above crap.she hasnt proved nothing to show her iconic power except her music..and yes tour more...she needs to be more xtravagant...she is truly a successful singer and i wish nothing but more of it for her..i was raised on mariah and i remember going at 5 years old "mommy whose that on the t.v" and it was when she was doing her "someday" video, and my moms was like "oh thats mariah carey" and i jsut sat there google eyed and just astonished on how beautiful she was and wat a great singer, that was in 93 hahaha...i love her to death i honestly can say if it wasnt for her i would not be typing this paragraph...her music has touched me in so many ways as well as whitney houston...she is slowly turning herself into a business mogul. she used to say "oh when i started out i was offered to be in commercials in america and i didnt take them cause i was unsure", she has a perfume out, she has a minor line of jewelery out, and she finally was in commercials. but i dont think that will still make her iconic or anything...people try to copy off her music...remember in o5' when every slow song sounded like a "we belong together" knock *couch* "mary j's-be without you".i have noticed one thin in her music though she does not like to hold her notes, and when she does it is very jsut like "ohhh weeee",she will own her status i hope and if she doesnt she will always be known as one of the most successful singers and will always be classified when u bring up whitneys name. just so u know ur the first person i agreed with, cause u actually spoke sense and not that bullcrap like everyone else and thanx for that..:)
  • Thank you. Nice to speak with someone who makes valid points. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 21:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Mariah is not an Icon. Her impact isnt that strong and pretty mediocre to the world and music as a whole. She is just a great singer not great artist. The only thing Mariah fans could hold on to is her 17th Number One in the US Billboard. Nothing more and this 'Icon' argument is just a pure glorification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewan20s (talk • contribs) 09:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Mariah is too young to be an icon. Whitney, Tina, Barbra, Cher, Michael, Elvis and other weren't considered as icons in their debut. They all very just people singing tryin' to make some money through job they like to do. After a period of time, about 20-30 years, they're started to be considered as LEGENDS. Mariah will be too. Just wait. Cher doesn't have some songs in her 50 years career and she was nothing before Believe. User:Iggy Ax (talk) 16:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roger Freidman is NOT a Movie Critic

It says: and Roger Friedman, referring to her as "a Thelma Ritter for the new millennium", said, "Her line delivery is sharp and she manages to get the right laughs"

Sorry but Roger Friedman is NOT a movie critic, He is a news reporter for FOX News, and Fox News is not a movie reviewer. So why is it relevant to have some random news reporter say something about her role? New York Times, Rolling Stone, EW, those are publications that do reviews, not FOX NEWS. Its looks like some Mariah fanboy is trying to dig hard for a reason to say she's a good actress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dswhite85 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Isn't Celine Dion the best-selling female recording artist, per World Music Awards?

I read in a couple of articles that Celine Dion has surpassed record sales of Mariah, according to World Music Awards in 2004. Mariah was awarded the same in 2000. Though the worlwide sales figure of World Music Awards is doubtful and uncertified (since Guiness which seems to be more credible claims Madonna is the best-selling female of all-time), is there still a reason to place the statement in the introduction that Mariah was voted as the best-selling since that has already been broken by Ms. Dion. Any thoughts? Diphosphate8 (talk) 18:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


What's the basis of World Music Awards for giving citations/awards to recording artists like Michael Jackson, Celine or Mariah? I don't seem to get it. In the U.S., Garth Brooks and Elvis Presley are the 2 best-selling male while for the female singers, Barbra Streisand and Madonna are the 2 biggest sellers. Mariah, Whitney and Celine would just follow in order while Michael is only in 7th place among the males, yet World Music gave the award to Michael and Mariah? This award-giving body seems to be confusing...Diphosphate8 (talk) 18:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


This is just anecdotal on my part, but if Mariah was "crowned" biggest selling female artist in 2000 and Celine in 2004, it seems that Mariah would have regained the title by 2008. Celine's popularity has declined rapidly over the last 5-7 years, while Mariah's declined and then resurged dramatically. So it seems that Mariah would have easily recaptured the title between 2004 and now. I don't have anything empirical to support that claim, just mere reason and logic. (Acero2310 (talk) 07:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC))


actually i just checked soundscan and mariah surpassed celine so she is the best selling in the states.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.129.62 (talk) 11:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Best selling in the states?!? Are you for real? LOL! Honey, you're refering to Soundscan and that was established only in 1991 so it's not really a good source of album or single sales in the U.S. The only institution that certify single/album sales is RIAA. And according to RIAA, Mariah is the 3rd best-selling only and she's behind Barbra Streisand and Madonna. But when it comes to worldwide figures, the international phonographic federation declared Madonna as the best-selling female.

Now here comes the confusion w/ the World Music Awards. It's an award that's up to now being doubted by the industry cause no one really knows where they get their so-called "worldwide" figures cause apparently there's no global institution that certifies records. In 2000, Mariah was voted as 'the best selling female' but 4 years later, the same award-giving body claimed that Celine Dion was the best-selling female of all-time. So there! Diphosphate8 (talk) 01:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The best selling female artist..belongs to Madonna. Celine has 2 flops album for the past few years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewan20s (talk • contribs) 09:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually anything dated before SoundScan is questionable. Before 1991, those times are jokingly refered to as "The Washing Machine Era". Reason why is because Music executives would buy washing machines(etc) for "special" (radio etc) people in order to make radios(etc) proclaim that a certain record was number one. Back in the day, that's how things worked. twinqletwinqle 04:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annhoang (talk • contribs)

Celine is "The Best Selling Female Recording Artist in World" which means it's just currently (ann how wouldn't she, when she recorded million albums - LoL). She isn't the best in history. When Mariah sang The National Anthem on Superbowl, the speakerman said: "An now, to honor America, performing the national anthem, the best selling female artist in history - ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Marih Carey."User:Iggy Ax (talk) 16:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Needs cleanup if it is going to keep featured article status

This article needs a going-over if it is going to keep its featured article status. There are problems with the references, as well as some grammatical and factual errors. There should also be a picture in the infobox. Save-Me-Oprah (talk) 22:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] THEMES & MUSICAL STYLES

Practically half the section is filled with "citation needed". Where are the sources? This is obviously some Mariah fan's opinions, hence the lack of sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.150.72.105 (talk) 20:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, this article has become a fansite. A fan's opinion on her themes and music. There are plenty of critics that talk about her work in their reviews, yet everything says "citation needed" because its a FAN's opinion, which obviously is blinded and biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dswhite85 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

why is there so much unsourced material in this section? I will be removing it if no source is found.

Taller is better (talk) 17:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)Taller is better

[edit] Hip hop?

Is Carey a hip hop singer? Her remixes seem like she is rap-singing. I'm not sure. Charmed36 (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dated Eminem?

From When the Music Stops (by D12/Eminem), Eminem raps:

Before I do that, I beg Mariah to take me back

Not sure if this really helps Mariah's article at all, but it's worth mentioning in case someone wants to add their relationship (if it's even true) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.223.97 (talk) 00:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

There was a big thing about this a few years back, and there was still a lot of confusion. Carey claims that they were never sexually involved and only dated a few times; but the stir came because Eminem was claiming they had an affair. It might be worth mentioning in a sentence, since they were dating for a couple of months and it did cause a lot of media attention and hype at the time. 128.113.195.102 (talk) 01:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Do not replace free images by fair use

I am fed up of restoring Image:Mariah Carey in Holland in 1998.jpg. So, anyone removing free images and putting fair use will be blocked. Vikrant 12:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's pretty rediculous that the same picture has been on this page forever. Several times people have tried to update the image and it continues to return to this same old picture from 10 years ago. It is not an accurate picture of what Mariah looks like, and with the many tours and appearances that she's done since this picture was taken, there is absolutely NO reason why another picture can't be found. I encourage the higher ups on this site to block the person(s) who insists on having this same picture rather than finding one that is both appropriate and more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 127.0.0.1 (talk)

[edit] Born in 1970, not '69

  • Although few sources like People magazine and IMDB claim she was born in 1969, numerous and more reliable sources say she was born in 1970. Mariah's own mom along with a birth certificate says she was born in '70. People magazine claim that her management slipped out that she was born in '69 in 1992, yet even in 1990 her management said she was born in 1970. Even this interview from 1990 is proof:[1]LAUGH90 (talk) 01:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw it and she didn't say she was bor in 1970, she just laughed. Maybe she was hiding that she got held back at school for all I know of. Then she would have graduated at 19 and this would hav happened when she was 21 instead of 20. I don't really know, even though I am a big fan whether she is 37 or 38, so the video didn't provide any proof. --RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 13:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I can finally confirm that Mariah was born in 1969 because I was watching Making the video for Touch My Body and she just mentioned that her and Brett Ratner were born a DAY apart and he was born Mariah 28 1969..and he also mentioned that "Mariah was born the day before me" so really if they were a year apart they might have mentioned that so I guess Mariah was born in 1969. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.221.65 (talk) 18:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Important facts not always cited

The article is looking a lot better than it did a couple of months ago in terms of the quality of the writing. Good job. At the same time, there are still a lot of facts that have no references. I marked a bunch of them. Maybe a few of them are excessive, but you would have to agree that some more work needs to be done if you are going to include specific facts like piano lessons at six and $28 million contracts.Tkurt (talk) 21:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, many of them are excessive, and I'll be reviewing your requests when I have the time. Many of your requests are unwarranted; you don't need citations for every sentence. Additionally, as I told you earlier, you repeatedly request sources in the middle of sentences, even when they are referenced at the end. Orane (talk) 23:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree, there are a lot of uncited claims. If she SAYS something, then there should be proof of that somewhere on the net. Eg. "Carey said that she cannot read sheet music and prefers to collaborate with a pianist when composing her material, but feels that it is easier to experiment with faster and less conventional melodies and chord progressions using this technique". If she indeed made that statement, it shouldn't be hard for you to find a source for it. Otherwise it just appears as if some fan just added it in as their own opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taller is better (talk • contribs) 15:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What she wears

Mariah dresses very little, and she needs to stop wearing that little of clothes at the age she is at and going to. If some one edits please add on —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.31.50 (talk) 02:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you. Mariah is almost in her 40's and it's up to you if you call that "OLD" yet. But to wear sexy clothes is uncalled for her age now. She is just trying hard to make herself look younger and be in the ranks of Beyonce but sad to say, she's making herself a big embarrassment. But I've to admit, she's still got a great voice like Whitney! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 03:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

And fantastic knockers. AuntFlo (talk) 02:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Age Dispute

I know my supplied source is a valid one. It is the U.S Copyright Association (a government office) who has that record. Please do not remove the date of birth 1969 unless your valid reason is made know. As much as I love Mariah Carey and her music, this seems to be her real age. You did not supply any source, therefore, I have no choice but to change the year of birth back to 1969.---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- (talk) 01:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

At the Oprah Winfrey Show interview in 1999 Mariah's mom said that Mariah was born in 1970, saying "and in 1969 we where in that neighborhood and in 1970 when she was born (meaning Mariah) we moved out of the neighborhood" —Preceding unsigned comment added by F9o0oly (talk • contribs) 17:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I am a gigantic fan, but still my sources are more accurate being a government office's website. Anyone can say anything. Anyways, since I'd really like to believe that she is 37 years old and even less, I'd give you the leeway (not the right of way). Also, since one of your sources include the reliable Billboard, I actually believe this source over the copyright office. I don't know why. Maybe it's because back then people made lots of mistakes and now everything is computerized.---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 22:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I can also back up that she was born in 1970. I found this on the US Search on birth records:[5]. It says that she is currently 37 (turns 38 in a few weeks) which means she was born in 1970. Apparently, when she came out in 1990, she tried to lie about her age and say she was older than 20 (21 at the time) for other purposes.71.175.78.209 (talk) 02:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to "Honey"?

Can anybody explain to me why the sound box with the Honey file was removed? Reidlos (talk) 01:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can i Add a link

http://mariacareyvideos.blogspot.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinaubo22A (talk • contribs) 00:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mariah as songwriter

Hello, everyone. The following sentence caught my attention: "Carey co-wrote the tracks on her 1990 debut album Mariah Carey, and she has continued to co-write the majority of her material since." Don't you agree that it would be more accurate to say that Carey continued to co-write ALL of her ORIGINAL material? If you check the credits of her entire discography, the only tracks she didn't co-write were the revivals (The Wind, I'll Be There, Without You, Open Arms, The Beautiful Ones, Against All Odds, one or more in Glitter, and Bringin' on the Heartbreak). Hope you all give this a thought, because songwriting is an important aspect of her artistry and therefore deserves this kind of attention. Thanks. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.141.79 (talk) 21:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, she did co-write "The Wind".---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 22:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

All the more reason to give her credit. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.141.79 (talk) 05:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a fairly standard technique in the music industry, that when someone supplies a new song, an established performer demands a co-writing credit before agreeing to record it. The real writer acquiesces - better to receive half the royalties for a song that sells millions, than all the royalties for a song that goes nowhere. Carey may indeed receive a co-writing *credit* for all original material. This does not ncessarily mean that she actually *co-writes* all or any of it. AuntFlo (talk) 03:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

If you went pass want her misunderstood public persona, then you would have found that she writes the lyrics and melodies herself. She only needs a pianist so she can work faster because she has said that she is a weak piano player. Only in recent years has she really started writing lyrics and creating melodies with other people, but she still is doing the mojority of the work. She has been writing since her early teen years.

Mariah Carey has always been touted as writing or co writing her own material, that's a big part of her image, and most of it is co written with Walter Afansieff. PhoenixPrince (talk) 00:58, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Look at "Heartbreaker", for a good indication of her writing, she's the "only" writer on that record. The other writers are credited as a result of the sample "Attack of the Name Game", and Jay-Z is credited for his rap. twinqletwinqle 04:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annhoang (talk • contribs)

[edit] Mariah Carey's vocal range

Mariah Carey's entire range is more or less 5 octaves, able to emmit several low notes like A2 (My All[harmonyzed]), B2 (My All[Studio]), C3 (Emotions) and incredible high notes, among these, there are notes like B6 (Star Splanged Banner, Someday), C7 (Bringing on the Heartbreak), D7 (There's Got to Be a Way), E7 (Emotions), F7 (All in Your Mind), G#7 (Emotions live on Arsenio Hall and MTV Awards). So counting from A2 to G#7 we will see that there are 5 octaves in range. This includes chest voice (A2-A5), head voice (Bb5-D6) and Whistle Register (Eb6-F7).



[edit] Nice old high school pic!

That old HS pic is really nice! It really looks like Mariah!!! Cool! And I believe the yearbook states that she was born 1969. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 02:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

No one has the yearbook. When someone can supply her birth certificate or a real ID card, then that is acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.200.240 (talk) 05:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

  • According to the birth records I have, she was born in 1970, but graduated in 1987, not '88.LAUGH90 (talk) 19:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

I made a userbox for us :)

This user is a Mariah Carey fan.


Feel free to copy and spread around! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maria Nuez

I've read that this was her real borth name in many places. Why no mention of it? 92.232.121.101 (talk) 15:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Because it's not true...---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 22:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)Also her new Song is:Touch My Body a new classic!!!!
How do you know? Can someone verify her birthname? 92.232.121.101 (talk) 00:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Billboard-Elvis-Global edits

Some of the text you're deleting was hashed and rehashed and re-rehashed over a year ago. Billboard's having reduced Presley's total from 18 to 17 number ones is a volatile topic in the chart-watching world. Check the Mariah Carey edit log, then keep the "for the most number-ones by a solo act according to Billboard magazine's revised methodology (their statistician Joel Whitburn still credits Presley with an eighteenth)" wording, which provides concise and accurate context, and which was the end result of much past discussion. Other text is unnecessarily wordy, such as "therefore" passing Presley (we all know that 18 is higher than 17) and "she is now second only to" the Beatles (ditto 20 and 18). Citations 74 and 75 duplicated chart information, so I deleted the first. #76 (all Australian #1s ever), and #77 (all Japanese #1s by non-Japanese) appear to be sound. If you have any other concerns, please feel free to address them.One Sweet Edit (talk) 00:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Every single one of the citations provided state that Carey has surpassed Presley in the list of most number-one singles by a solo act. They say nothing however, about Presley being reduced from 18 to 17, unless I've missed something, in which case I am wrong. I agree with your queries about wording but The Beatles bit must be in relation to Carey, as just saying "The Beatles have twenty number-ones" is not, I also think it reads better if we say "Carey is now second only .... etc". Eagle Owl (talk) 17:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I see what you mean now, judging from this citation: [6]. What should we do? Any thoughts? Eagle Owl (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
One Sweet Edit is actually referring to North America, not the UK. In North America, Elvis apparently had a double A-side ("Don't Be Cruel"/"Hound Dog"), which some people consider two singles, not one. A full explanation is here. SKS2K6 (talk) 17:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Here is the actual quote from the link:

On the Best Sellers chart, two-sided singles were considered one entry, or one hit. Just as in later years on the Hot 100 "It's Too Late" / "I Feel the Earth Move" by Carole King would be considered one No. 1 single and not two; or just as "Candle in the Wind 1997" / "Something About the Way You Look Tonight" by Elton John was one No. 1 single and not two, Elvis Presley's "Don't Be Cruel" / "Hound Dog" counts as one No. 1 hit and not two. [...] Because "Don't Be Cruel" and "Hound Dog," two sides of the same single, charted separately on the airplay and juke box charts, Whitburn counts them as two No. 1 hits. That's why Billboard reports 17 No. 1 hits for Elvis and Whitburn comes up with 18.

SKS2K6 (talk) 17:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It's more overt than that. For decades, Billboard also used to list Presley as having 18 number one singles. Then the magazine rejiggered its criteria and methodology, and retroactively lowered the numbers for various artists (for #1's, Top 10's, Top 40's, etc.).
Since fans of both Presley and Carey are especially attentive to all-time chart accomplishments (i.e. both artists' "Number Ones"-style compilations), the 18/17 topic is somewhat tendentious. Say Elvis has 18 number ones, and you're throwing an unfair obstacle in Mariah's path. Say Mariah has beaten Elvis, and you're cheating The King.
This past week's wave of wire service publicity notwithstanding, Billboard's official stance is schizophrenic. Fred Bronson asserts the company's current party line in his "Chart Beat Chat" column, but all of Billboard's authorized "Top Pop Singles" books are overseen by Joel Whitburn, who has opted to stick with the original totals.
As mentioned in my first post above, this is not a fresh issue, and a slew of edits and deletions and reversions led to the sentence fragment in question: "...for the most number-ones by a solo act according to Billboard magazine's revised methodology " (their statistician Joel Whitburn still credits Presley with an eighteenth)." Plus a linked citation, for any readers interested enough to pursue the discrepancy further. The thing to do is to put the well-hammered language back.
Eagle Owl's point about phrasing the Beatles in relation to Carey is well taken, so I'd suggest keeping his version.One Sweet Edit (talk) 18:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I've replaced the reference to the "18/17" discrepancy, as per the above. One further bit of "inside baseball"-style subtrivia regarding Billboard's shifting methodology: although Billboard officially "de-certified" one half of the "Don't Be Cruel"/"Hound Dog" pairing for #1 counting purposes, they continue to list it as having been #1 for 11 weeks, a total which is only possible by combining the chart runs for both sides of the single. It's a bookkeeping mess.One Sweet Edit (talk) 13:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


This entire statement is unnecessary, if Diana Ross technically had 18 number one singles, she'd have eighteen number one singles period. The billboard charts are all very technical. If this is worth mentioning then why not include the nine number one singles Paul McCartney had outside of the beatles which makes his total 29. It serves no purpose really. 69.209.220.63 (talk) 19:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

"Although technically, Diana Ross has sung the lead vocal on eighteen number-one singles, she sang twelve of them as the lead singer of the Supremes, and, therefore, is not typically listed as the vocalist of eighteen charted number-ones. If this were the case, Mariah Carey has matched her success, as well."

[edit] Ridiculous claims on her vocal range... AGAIN...

"According to most sources, she has a five-octave vocal range, though some credit her with seven or eight octaves."

OK, shouldn't it be clarified that NO CREDITABLE SOURCE has said that she has these seven and eight octaves? These were mostly ridiculous claims by Sony trying to promote her.

"According to The Guinness Book of Records, there is no other singer who can hold a higher note than Carey."

What ever happened to Georgia Brown?

[edit] Inaccurate calculation of Music Box

If Mariah's album "Music Box" has sold a total of 30 million albums, why is it then that Madonna's "The Immaculate Collection" (21 million copies) is no.30 on the All-time United World Album Chart and Mariah's Music Box is at No.47 on the same chart? [7] I think you will find that the figures shown are inaccurate and are a gross exaggeration as the European sales have been added twice. This brings the album down to 20 million copies which explains the lower positioning on the UWC. JWAD (talk) PS just because a PR or record company statement claims it is 30 million doesn't mean it accurate!

[edit] Possible inclusion of new image

Hello there. I saw this image of Mariah performing at the Grammys and its free. Check it out. --Efe (talk) 04:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New lead by Shankbone

I have put the one I think is my favorite, but reasonable minds can differ and I'll let the regular editors of the article decide which of these should be the lead. Carey is *very* particular about images (just FYI). Happy Editing --David Shankbone 18:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
All the images are good; in my opinion, though I personally prefer images 2 and 3, but I see nothing wrong with the one you selected being on the page: it looks nice, portrays her well, and even better, it's a free image. Excellent work. Acalamari 20:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, it seems that Journalist added 2 into the article: while I think that 1 looked great, two is even better. Again, excellent work. Acalamari 23:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
These are great and I guess you're associated with Mariah Daily Journal. Did you take any pictures of her performing on Good Morning America. Those pictures would be nice to use. Thank you very much for the lovely free images.---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 04:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Engaged?

Confirmed: Mariah Carey & Nick Cannon Engaged! jengod (talk) 22:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, of course - the engagement ring is in the photo. --David Shankbone 23:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • That does not confirm anything. A "source" is a bunch of lies always found in the tabloid world. She is not engaged.LAUGH90 (talk) 19:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gossip about marriage

If someon finds a reliable source (NOT a tabloid publication) to confirm (NOT speculate with words such as reportedly) that she is married, plase insert it and reference it to the appropriate article. Until then, do not add this speculation to the article and please remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a primary source for all things Mariah.

Thanks! SWik78 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I think it should be a part of the article. It's been getting a lot of press coverage over the past couple of days, and that's notable in itself. Even if it turns out to be fake (as in, erroneously reported or a publicity stunt), that would be notable in itself, no? Even one line would suffice (but clearly not in the header). SKS2K6 (talk) 16:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP is one of the strictest guidelines imposed on Wikipedia articles due to the sensitivity and potential harm that can be done by incorrect information. As stated in the policy itself:

We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.

Entertainment Tonight loses nothing if their latest gossip turns out to be incorrect but Wikipedia does. Therefore, the press coverage in this case is unreliebale to warrant an inclusion into the article. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Since Yahoo News (not a tabloid publication) is reporting that Cannon and Carey married, shouldn't it be okay to post? --Dave 13:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

If it's this story you're referring to, it only reports that there are reports of the wedding, no definites are given. Again, WP:BLP overrules this, in my opinion. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


I know that we shouldn't put garbage in BLP pages, but it's getting significant coverage, and that's why I bring this up. CNN, The Associated Press, and various newspapers ([8]/[9]/[10], for example) have all reported on this. As it is getting signifcant coverage, the coverage should be mentioned. SKS2K6 (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
First of all, notability is not temporary. Second, New York Post is a tabloid so it can't be considered a WP:RS. The CNN article, the Yahoo News article and The AP article are one and the same. Associated Press sells stories to its subrcribers in the US and abroad for a fee so you will often see the same story written by AP be published in dozens or hundreds of newspapers simultaneously. Again, the AP report does nothing else other than to report other reports of the wedding taking place. The principal source for these claims seems to come from latina.com which can by no means be considered a reliable source. So this is basically what we have:
  • Latina.com reports the two are married
  • other tabloid type publications, such as New York Post and Perez Hilton, jump on the bandwagon and start quoting each other as reliable sources
  • Associated Press runs a story that several tabloid publications are claiming Mariah Carey is married and the story is distributed to, among others, CNN, Yahoo etc...
CNN and AP are reliable sources but they report nothing else other than reports in tabloids. Bearing in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, this information is not encyclopedic. Forgetting for a second that this may actually end up being true, ask yourselves this: If every single rumor perpetuated about Mariah Carey by a handful of tabloids in the last 18 years made it into this article, how long would this article be? As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia should only be adding information that will not be removed at some later point in time because hype over some alleged event eventually blew over. We're not here to report on what's new and current. We are supposed to document permanent historical information and this does not currently qualify. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


Radio industry website AllAccess.com is reporting it as a confirmed event. --InDeBiz1 (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name?

Umm....if she is married to Nick Cannon, wich I believe everyone has established, her name, I guess would be Mariah Carey-Cannon. Or something of that nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.39.221 (talk) 11:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily. After marriage, an individual can take their spouse's name, amalgamate their names, or simply not change their name at all. Unless we hear something specifically stating otherwise, it's sensible to assume that she still goes by "Mariah Carey". --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
On Friday, I was watching Entertainment Tonight. They were showing a video of Mariah and Nick's first appearance after the wedding and they were addressed as Mariah and Nick Cannon. That being said, she probably changed her last name.68DANNY2 (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I've read that she had "Mrs. Cannon" branded tattooed on the back of her neck or on her back. I haven't found a reliable source for that yet, but when/if it is found it's the best evidence I've ever heard for a name change. And the creepiest. Ariadne55 (talk) 21:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I keep hearing the names "Mariah Cannon" or "Mariah Carey-Cannon" thrown about, too. Still, things like ET and tabloids are hardly official sources. Also, the "Mrs. Cannon" tattoo may be just that, a tattoo, and not a reflection of a legitimately changed name (maybe she got it as a sort of compromise, a way of becoming "Mrs. Cannon" without actually becoming "Mrs. Cannon", if you will). I still say that, until official sources report otherwise, she is still very much Mariah Carey. --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 12:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Besides which, the name under which she gained all of her notability, and the name by which she is best known, is Mariah Carey, and this is not expected to change no matter who she marries. Mary Tyler Moore has always been known by her maiden name despite being married at least twice during her career. Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 00:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Range

I believe Georgia Brown is the female with the highest range a (G10) Mariah's highest recorded note is A7

Noir227 (talk) 21:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

You may indeed be right about that, it appears Ms Georgia really does have a world-beating voice. This doesn't mean that we should remove all reference to Mariah's still-highly-impressive range of course, but yes, I guess it does mean rooting out instances where she is specifically called the current world record holder (of which there was at least one reference within the body of the article). --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 22:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Add spouse Nick Cannon to Info Box

We'll need to list spouse Nick Cannon on the info. I don't have permission to do so. -Spencer,Leon 15:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Source: Yahoo! - [11] -Spencer,Leon 15:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spencer leon (talk • contribs)

As far as I can tell, "spouse" is not a legitimate field in the "Infobox: musical artist" template. Basically, you can't put it in. This has nothing to do with "having permission" or no. --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 20:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Change Mariah Carey's Last Name

It's Mrs. Mariah Cannon. =] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.88.158 (talk) 02:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No reliable / verifiable sources have confirmed a name change. Because of that, we can not arbitrarily change her name in this article. If you can provide a source, it can be brought up for discussion here on this page for a consensus. Best regards, --InDeBiz1 (talk) 02:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Let's see... Angelina Jolie is still Angelina Jolie and not Angelina Pitt, Jennifer Lopez is still Jennifer Lopez and not Jennifer Antony, Julia Roberts was never professionally known as Julia Lovett, so... I really don't think a name change is going to happen, either professionally or in this article, which refers to her by the name by which she is best known. Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is it appropriate to name other artists before her?

Should we put Barbra Streisand and Madonna's name in the line "Mariah is the third best-selling female in the U.S., behind Barbra Streisand and Madonna, per RIAA" or "Per IFPI, she is the third biggest-selling female singer worldwide, behind Madonna and Celine Dion, with estimated sales of 160 million albums?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 21:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Its not necessary for the lead. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 09:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus needed on Hip Hop

Is there any way we can get consensus about the use of hip hop on this article? Currently we have a near daily addition/removal of the category from her info box and the lead paragraph.

Could everyone please agree to leave the page as is until consensus is reached? Once we have that we can comment the relevant places and stop this tedious revert war.

To begin with; are there any good, solid, reputable cites that describe Carey as a hip hop artist? --Escape Orbit (Talk) 09:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

  • comment: Mariah Carey's primary genre is not hip hop, however, the info box is used to display any genre which is common to an artists music. Carey has had hip hop influences on at least three albums, and therefor it should be mentioned in the info box. It does not, however, require mention in the LEAD of the article, esp not the first sentence. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 09:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
By the way, what genres should be put in the infobox? Does it include influences? --Efe (talk) 10:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm in agreement with The Bookkeeper. If it's a significant element of three albums, then it should be in the info box. But if it's not her primary style then not needed in the lead. I don't think influences should be in the info box. That would get too confusing and verbose. Plenty of room for explanations of cited influences in the article. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 15:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Many of Mariah Carey's albums have hip hop influences, for instance "Mariah Carey" has Someday(new jack swing) and she can be hear rapping on Prisoner, Daydream has elements of hip ho. Butterfly, Rainbow, Glitter and Charmbracelet all have heavy influences of hip hop, and The more recent TEOMM is predominately hip hop and RnB. E=MC2 is a complete hip hop/rnb album. I don't think it would be right if you were to exclude hip hp as one of her genres seeing as that she has slowly yet surely evolved into a full fledged hip-hop/rnb artist. Her music is going to continue down this path so you might as well classify it as it is and not as what you want it, or don't want it, to be. PhoenixPrince (talk) 03:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment She has some hip hop influences in some of her records, yes, but that does not make her a hip hop artist. I can agree with R&B and Pop because it's blantantly obvious that those apply, but to call Mariah a hip hop artist would be like calling George W. Bush a Democrat... It's just not accurate. She is a Pop/R&B artist that gets some hip hop airplay, but that's about as far as the discussion ought to go, as far as her listed genres. --InDeBiz1 Review me! / Talk to me! 00:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment You're overlooking the fact that the info box is used to display any genre the artists has frequent use of. I agree Carey is not a "Hip hop" artist but the amount of hip hop influence she has on a number of her records warrants inclusion in the info box. It is not the same as defining her as a hip hop artist. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 05:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

If a significant amount of her current music is hip hop and she gets a significant amount of hip hop airplay, and critics and newscasters and the like cite her as an hip hop/rnb artist, more then likely she is. 69.209.199.91 (talk) 02:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

At the page for Template:Infobox musical artist, all it says concerning genre is that one should "aim for generality" (i.e. don't get bogged down in minutiae and specifics). To me, that means being simultaneaously as succint and as broad as possible. As far as I'm concerned, describing Mariah Carey as a "pop/r&b" artist certainly seems sufficient. Hip-hop may be a style that she has incorporated, but I believe that opens a slippery slope, as we may then also want to incorporate her influences from soul, gospel, dance, etc. "Pop/r&b" is a more than suitable and adequate description, in my opinion. --Jayunderscorezero (talk) 13:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vocal Type

it says mariah on mumerous websites...wheather there reliable or not that she is "dramatic" coloratura soprano...Dramatic Coloratura: The hardest sopranos to find because they’re voices have the power and stamina of a Dramatic Soprano to sing over large orchestras but also the range and agility of a Piccolo. They can normally sing up to Bb6 as well (Mariah Carey and Rachelle Ferrell)

source:http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/a/hamidmahdi/Downloads/VOICETYPES.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilruthlessplaya (talk • contribs) 15:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)