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- 1 No Problems
- 2 CityITs again
- 3 Photos of Trani
- 4 Alessandra Mussolini
- 5 Signpost updated for March 13th and 17th, 2008.
- 6 Signpost updated for March 24th, 2008.
- 7 Islam in southern Italy
- 8 Signpost updated for March 31st, 2008.
- 9 Your welcome
- 10 Signpost updated for April 7th, 2008.
- 11 Images
- 12 Signpost updated for April 14th, 2008.
- 13 Signpost updated for April 21st, 2008.
- 14 Capital of Italian Social Republic
- 15 Villa Cetinale
- 16 Signpost updated for May 2nd and 9th, 2008.
- 17 Signpost updated for May 12th, 2008.
- 18 Flow rate is volume/time, not area/time
- 19 SC 143
- 20 San Nicolò di Bari, hamlets of Sottovalle, Arquata Scrivia
- 21 Roman Catholic Marian architecture
- 22 Signpost updated for May 19th and 26th, 2008.
- 23 Italy tagging
- 24 Signpost updated for June 2, 2008.
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[edit] No Problems
Hello Ian Spackman, you have raised an issue over "Copyright problems". I am working directly with the author of www.ilsuonodibologna.org. His wiki name is Florenus. We are trying to expand wiki's Luthier section. I have emailed him about this, and he will try to rectify the situation. Thank you for your concernMilliot (talk) 01:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] CityITs again
My it's looking clean around here - hope it wasn't anything I said! ;-/ MiszaBot might be your friend for archiving - see the code in the start of my talk page for an example. Anyway, just a quickie to say that I've finished putting infoboxes on my >300 Unassesseds, so I'll be off on assessment duty for a few days - I'm feeling a bit frazzled to be honest, those last ones were a bit of an effort. Once I've got my bot approved, the 2-300 non-comuni articles assessed and the bot run at last, it'll be time for a bit of a sit down to work out what is left to be done. I've an idea for making some of the CityITs a bit quicker, we'll see if anything comes of it. I know what you mean about tracking stuff down to the nth degree, I've been like that with some of the wine articles; here my rule is just to restructure, wikify and translate what's already there from Italish into English, but not to open the can of worms of digging up "new" facts or citations. Only real exception is some of the history stuff, where you have to dig a bit just to be able to write something in context with a link to the right person that someone has used an obscure local name for. But I like that stuff anyway - chasing down the right links for the saints for instance doesn't really interest me at all. On the coord thing, I'm well aware of the can of worms, and it's not something that's a priority for me, perhaps we could talk to User:AndrewBuck when we've done the infoboxes, he was the guy who was tweaking the Calabrian coords, and is on the coord Taskforce with a declared interest in Italian coords. Anyway, I'll leave you in peace for now, a più tardi. FlagSteward (talk) 19:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Photos of Trani
Dear Mr Spackman - You recently removed an external link to several pages of outstanding photos relating to Trani contained in paradoxplace. Logically one would have thought that Wikipedia could have done with all the support it could get from good photo based sites. In general the photos and links to photos are dreadful - which means that it's not a port of call for many of those those interested in what something looks like. In the case of Trani it is almost impossible to access any photos which bring this beautiful medieval photogenic town to life, and the same can be said of many not-so-well-known Italian towns whose sole links to the world are their too often dreadful official sites. So I don't think what you did makes sense from Wikipedia's point of view, and certainly not from Trani's. Have a think about it anyway. Adrian Fletcher (paradoxplace). 15 March 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.37.66 (talk) 00:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- I like your photos very much: I wish mine were as good. But Wikipedia is not intended as a photo-search site. If you would like our readers to benefit from them, why not edit the articles so that they are relevant—often that will be perfectly reasonable—,and actually include the pictures in the articles? All you have to do is to license them appropriately and upload them to the commons. There are a fair number of pictures of Trani there already:
- While I certainly agree that Wikipedia’s general photographic standards are not as high as one would wish, more than one of those seems to me to be good. Have a think about it anyway. If you felt like contributing to Wikipedia, you would be very welcome indeed. Best wishes, Ian Spackman (talk) 00:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Ian - thanks for your prompt reply and the photo links which I agree contain some good photos. I think that most users of Wikipedia would see it as a source of knowledge and understanding. If you surveyed people who had had the chance to compare the Wikipedia Trani page on its own with this page plus the "what it feels like to wander around" Trani pages in paradoxplace (which incidentally are absolutely not the same thing as an expandable thumbnail display), I would guess that the response to the question "which experience left you with significantly more knowledge and understanding" would be overwhelmingly the latter. The same is true in reverse, and understanding this I have added a Wikipedia Trani Page link to the main paradoxplace Trani page!
- Yesterday I happened upon the following comment in a Wiki-discussion that was going on related to New York's Flatron building. "As for removing the links -- why? They're legitimate sites with good content relevant to the subject. The fact that they contain photographs is irrelevant. I would never say "Hey look at all of these external links, they all have text in them -- don't we have enough text?" Visual images are a legitimate conduit of information, no better or worse than text". Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (I'm sorry that my wiki skills do not go as far as knowing how to link this).
- I am lucky to have a fulfilling day (and often night) job (unpaid) called paradoxplace.com. Thousands of people enjoy the site daily, and I do not have time for involvement in other web stuff like Wikipedia (though I applaud its aims and the work of those who do get involved, and I have been known to add some things myself - I might even add "Tourism", which is strangely absent, and marble as important Trani industries). It does seem a shame that two synergistic pages can't link to each other in your model of the world, so that you could spend less time worrying about that and more wondering why no-one thought of Tourism. I can understand that Wikipedia, in the classic way of a large institution, wants to "own" everything, but I imagine that in practice its inability to do this on "the visual front" (a relatively new technology where there is no visual equivalent of an out of copyright Britannica) must be detracting from its ability to facilitate "visual understanding" - which obviously accounts for a huge component of how people perceive and understand tangible things - and that is a great pity, more especially as there is an easy way around this.
- That's all - thanks for your attention - I don't want to prolong this discussion further as we both have plenty of other things to do. The only reason I have spent the time on it that I have is that it is a wider issue than little old Trani, which could fall off the edge of both our sites and noone much would notice! Have a good weekend. Adrian Fletcher —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.37.66 (talk) 07:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
PS - I have just noticed that an external link to the paradoxplace page on Moissac has been removed (not by you!) - Left on the Wikipedia page is a photo of a hotel backed up by two more photos of the same hotel, and external links to the same hotel and a couple of tourist / exhibition sites. There is no mention or photo of the trumeau statue of the Prophet Jeremiah, probably the most famous early Romanesque work in France, the date of the cloister columns and capitals is wrong (they are the oldest in Europe)and there is no idea what they look like .... I wont go on but the word mindless seems appropriate - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.37.66 (talk) 12:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Alessandra Mussolini
Hello Ian, Could you please help me in any way against the constant reverts of Gennarous in that article? I would prefer to have the full sentence removed as I think it is neither noteworthy in the introduction nor NPOV - but I don't really know how to best act against Gennarous' constant edits, as I am only very rarely here on the English Wikipedia. Best Regards, lomis (talk) 09:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yes I’ll keep a bit of a watch—though not necessarily a terrifically constant one, as one can end up wasting too much time over one sentence. The best thing to do, though, might be to extend the lead using the article cited which does concentrate, if I recall aright, more on the aspects of her politics which G. appears to wish to avoid highlighting. —Ian Spackman (talk) 09:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Signpost updated for March 13th and 17th, 2008.
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[edit] Signpost updated for March 24th, 2008.
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[edit] Islam in southern Italy
I think you might be interested in Talk:History of Islam in southern Italy, especially the "Intro" and "Dispute" sections. The same kind of dispute is ongoing, as you know, at County of Sicily, Battle of Ostia, Duchy of Gaeta, and History of Sicily. Srnec (talk) 20:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed I am interested, Srnec—how should I pronounce that, by the bye?—but I’d like to re-read the article as a whole, first, and have a look at any of the sources that are online before adding my comments. That will be sometime later today. Although I have a very clear preference for one of the current versions of the lead which have been in contention, I seem to recall that neither was quite working for me as an article summary. Cheers, Ian Spackman (talk) 07:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Ah. The article does need work, and since I have been spending so much time edit warring over it as of late... I have been thinking about fixing it up. I can understand if you wish to reserve your comments to discuss bigger improvements. (Pronounce it "SER-nick", my grandparents left its real pronunciation behind in Croatia.) Srnec (talk) 05:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Your welcome
Thank you, also for the fine suggestion. Now in my sandbox you can see my first attempt at creating the page. --Broletto (talk) 17:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Images
Ahh thanks I wasn't sure whether the Italy infobox had skyline parameter. Personally I would rather stick to standard infoboxes but I know most of them were created by a bot so. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Capital of Italian Social Republic
Salò was not capital of the Republic. It is a popular belief.--Vu Duc Thang (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- OK. But since that is the popular belief any contrary claim will need to be impeccably sourced. See WP:REDFLAG. Cheers. Ian Spackman (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the pictures of the Villa. It really is a beautiful place, these do it justice. Best Hinnibilis (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- You’re welcome. They are good pictures—especially the top one—but unfortunately none of them were mine. They were ready and waiting on Wikimedia Commons. And thank you for the article: nicely done. Cheers, Ian Spackman (talk) 07:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Flow rate is volume/time, not area/time
Hi,
Thanks I am sure that you know that flow rate is volume/time, not area/time. In some of the river articles (e.g. Chiese) you have been creating or editing, you have transferred cubic metres per second as square metres per second. You may wish to have a look at those again. I just thought that I would let you know. Keep up the good work. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 11:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ooops! Thanks for spotting that. Cheers, Ian Spackman (talk) 06:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I thought I'd thanked you for fixing the tables on this page, but obviously I didn't. So, thanks! and, Sorry! Put it down to a senior moment! Xyl 54 (talk) 17:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Cheers! I hate tables: they seem simple things, but somehow I cannot get my head around either the HTML or the wikitext syntax. Still, the simple
class="wikitable" is one I try to remember. —Ian Spackman (talk) 05:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] San Nicolò di Bari, hamlets of Sottovalle, Arquata Scrivia
The parish (and hamlets) of was in comune of Gavi still 7 juin, 2007 today is a hamlets of Arquata Scrivia, read the article about Sottovalle in italian wikipedia. —Melo86 (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for adding a good category to that page. It really helped me clarify the title and my own thoughts. Grazie mille. History2007 (talk) 07:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. Actually I wasn’t sure whether to put it there or in Category:Church architecture. But I thought that the broader category was safer as the subject—of which my ignorance is profound!—could include a whole range of other kinds of structures: mausoleums, bishops’ palaces, convents, schools…. Cheers, Ian Spackman (talk) 07:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Italy tagging
Hi Ian. Just wondering if you could give some thoughts on my recent proposal to tag 21,000-odd articles for the Italy Project. It just seems like a big thing to be doing with no second opinion. I'll get on with doing the "obvious" ones, but leave off doing the biographical ones for a few days. It'll nice to get it out of the way and get back to the mainspace, to be honest, but as usual there's been quite a bit of housekeeping thrown up in the course of doing it. TIA FlagSteward (talk) 16:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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