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This is Archive 12 of my talk page. It is archived using the Cut-and-Paste method.
Below the line, you will find the talk portion of the page for January to April 2008.
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ER, it's a New Year, seems like if it was yesterday that I last spoke to you (or wrote (smile)). I think I took care if it. I can't do the same for the tables unless I eliminate the "sortable" part. What do you suggest?Tony the Marine (talk) 19:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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Resolved
ER. you said: "The ref you have is U.S. Army. I added DoD (#73), but can't find sec 532(f). See my embedded comments in the workshop section. Can you find 532(f) or a USMC ref?" I think you meant (ref #72). Fixed. Tony the Marine (talk) 05:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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Would you say that the article in my workshop is ready for mainspace? Tony the Marine (talk) 02:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I have done some revisions. I'll wait for you to look it over. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- The portal looks great. I recommend Sgt. Angel Mendez, either for a future "Selected Bio" or the "DYK" section. I'm working on his MoH and already I have the Puerto Rican Senate's backing and Congressman J. Serrano. I'm waiting to hear from Congressman C. Rangel. One thing that I wanted to know about the portal. Why is it that the "top" section has links to subjects such as "Italian Wars" · "Military history of Africa" · "Military history of France", etc.? I'm just wondering. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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Rudget!
Re: Revisiting User:Melaniesharrison/sandbox
Hey ERcheck, thanks for your note. I'm not sure this sandbox effort is going anywhere, I had one note from Melanie a couple of weeks back and she's made no edits since Dec 14. I'm tempted to leave her one last notification of deletion, wait a few days, then blow the sucker away. What do you reckon? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'll give her a deadline later on today. Can't say we didn't try! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Deadline passed, sandbox deleted, note left. Good luck and good editing! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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Why delete my corrections?
hey, ERcheck, i would like to know why you deleted my "Pizza Hut" corrections about the number of employees and the customer mania headline? Please drop me a line via email, marilynspikes@msn.com.
It took me a long time to add those little 2 lines. I am new to writing on Wikipedia and i do wish to add more material, but if people such as yourself will simply delete my work, i feel discouraged from adding further information.
Please be so kind as to respond to me request?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Marilynspikes (talk • contribs) 15:35, 26 January 2008
Thank you so much for such a thorough response. It has really helped in re-installing my devout faith for Wiki. Many thanks and I will continue to add where I feel it is needed.
Thank you for all the links suggested, and I shall read them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marilynspikes (talk • contribs) 22:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Ideas?
ER, i would to upload this image: [1]. I think that it would be perfect for the introduction of the artilce "Hispanics in the USMV". Any ideas? Can you upload it? Tony the Marine (talk) 00:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Oops! I don't know how that happened. O.K., go to this search page: [[2]] and then click on
"PDF] THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS... TFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat In the spotlight... Enlisting in the Marine. Corps in 1976, Sergeant. Major Federico Perez Jr. has spent more than 30. years honorably serving. our country. ... www.hispanicyearbook.com/files2007/07AHHY_pg98-101.pdf -"
It is the very first image, seems like a poster. Tony the Marine (talk) 04:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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Totalitarianism tags dispute
Okay, thanks a lot. I am new to English wikipedia, so sorry that I put it in the wrong place. --ElPeruano (talk) 01:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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It seems the 22nd MEU page has picked up a somewhat persistent vandal. Hope all is well.--Looper5920 (talk) 23:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- One that was just created that needs to be deleted as a promo page and non-notable M. Zachary Sherman. --205.110.147.6 (talk) 00:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Specific fair use rationale provided consistent with current guidelines. These requirements were not in place at the time of original upload. — ERcheck (talk) 04:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
MfD Closing as "Speedy Delete"?
You referred to this edit Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Eternal-Entropy/EternalEntropyWiki/Levels of Belief in a Statement as "Speedy Delete" which is an unusual (though probably warranted in this case) resolution for a malformed nomination. Are you planning to actually delete the malformed nom subpage? Or did you really mean "Speedy Close" (in this case I guess you can't really call it a "Speedy Keep" since it was never really nominated). If you're not going to delete the nomination page we should probably close it out on the nomination subpage with a "Speedy Close/Malformed Nomination" or something to that effect together with the mfd header and footer and move it to the log rather than just leave it out there hanging. I realize you only removed it an hour ago, I just wanted to jump on it before it gets forgotten as sometimes happens. My opinion is that we actually delete the nomination page, under G6/common sense. Thanks.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 03:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, when I saw this on MFD, it had already been speedy deleted by another admin. The addition to MFD had not been loaded properly/not really nominated -- which was a moot point when I found it, since it had already been deleted -- which negated the need to go through MFD. So, there was no decision via the MFD for speedy delete - my edit comment was to indicate why I deleted the residual "nomination". From what I could find - that nomination page had also already been deleted. Hope that makes sense. — ERcheck (talk) 02:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Thanks again for letting me know I have fixed that problem also. --Kumioko (talk) 12:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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I was working on the album page for "All Is Well" and typed the title into the search box. It redirects to the album "The Silver Lining". If you use a lower case 'i' in the word 'is' it works correctly. I don't know where or how to fix it. Maria202 (talk) 21:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thoughts? Aside from being lost? I guess I can figure out how to set up a dab page. "Is" in the album title is capitalized both on the liner notes and the CD. Will that fix the redirect? Thanks. Maria202 (talk) 22:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you much. I think I did it right but I'm still a bit confused with the three redirect pages. If you could double check those for me I'd appreciate it. I'll see what I can find on Michael Smith and the song. Again, thank you for helping me. Maria202 (talk) 03:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
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- All I knew about the fictional characters came from reading Wikipedia a few months back so I was curious why the one article with the character description was no longer there. I don't know enough about them to get involved nor did I realize there were guidelines addressing when or when not to write about them. Appreciate your help in finding the answer to my question. Maria202 (talk) 19:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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Vic Porcelli
Hi - you do realise you keep restoring a version of this article that says " Bonneville Radio fired him after enduring several years of his phoniness"? It's an attack page. I db-bio'd it because it doesn't show notability, but I've found a better early diff now which I'm going to restore. Black Kite 01:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you!! I keep removing it, and it keeps reappearing!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Traveljess (talk • contribs) 01:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
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- No problem. It was all a bit of confusion, I think. I removed the reference too, because it was a dead link. I've added his KTRS homepage, but can't find a lot else. If you can, great.Black Kite 01:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Ronald D. Castille
I would very much like it if you did. I think that you once mentioned that you were thinking about it. I hope that you are up to it. I want to recharge my mental batteries (smile) Tony the Marine (talk) 05:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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I'm guessing you were being sincere, and not sarcastic, in your comment on my talk page. I just figured that since it hadn't been updated in Feb, the usual suspects weren't out and about to make the change. Otherwise, I would have discussed it a bit first. Let me know if you have any thoughts on what I selected. bahamut0013♠♣ 17:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'd love to say yes, but I'm sorry to say I'm not very dependable for time-specific edits. I don't always have reliable internet connection/computer access, and when I do, my wife hogs it to mess around on Myspace. But I would love to be involved as much as possible (I figure we can post some ideas and suggestions in the portal talk a few days beforehand, and that greatly increases the chances that I will have some time to edit before the 1st of the month). What did you have in mind? We can use it for April. bahamut0013♠♣ 17:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- So, do you have a link for this coordination page?
- Also, I don't really know what I could do with the good Lieutenant's article. I just don't know what makes him significant outside of his role at Tripoli. bahamut0013♠♣ 20:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Kirlston
hey, I appreciated your editing of my user page, thankyou. What's up?--Kiyarrllston 16:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
2008 presidential delagates
I noticed that you removed the speedy tag from this article, whilst like you (I assume) I don't think it fits with any of the speedy delete criteria I don't think any of the content is salvagable as an article and I don't see the advantage of having it in mainspace for another two days. With this in mind I started a thread here. Regards, Guest9999 (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
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Taking a look at some of the suggested content, I looked at Carlson's patrol and was blown away--it's a great article. I definately favor featuring that one. I also realize that if we want to get some variety from our featured image, we should pick an older image, and the Image:DeadJapaneseGuadalcanal.jpg struck me as the better of the older ones. Following the Guadalcanal-ish "theme" going in my recommendations, I'd pick Robert E. Galer for the featured biography and the James Jones quote for the featured quote.
Thoughts? bahamut0013♠♣ 15:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- Jones' quote, while related to Guadalcanal, isn't specifically related to the Marine Corps. Marine Corps related-quotes naturally are given preference. On images, if there are others that you want to be considered, just post them in the image gallery. I've been considering the Guadalcanal image you indicated. — ERcheck (talk) 01:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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Question about an image you deleted
Hi, I saw that you deleted Image:Barack-obama-somali-elder-clothing.jpg based on CSD G4. However, unless I'm mistaken, the reason why it was previously deleted was because the licensing/Fair Use info was missing or incorrect. I fixed that info (see my note here), but you deleted it soon afterward. Is there some other reason why it was deleted again? If not, could you restore it? Cheers! -- Hux (talk) 00:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Was going to inquire about this myself, but I see Hux beat me to it. The deletion reason you gave, G4, doesn't apply to what was originally a speedly delete[6]. I understand Hux fixed G12, and there is an ongoing discussion about including the image [7], so... maybe you were premature? Andyvphil (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
- Based on a MFD posted on 27 Feb 2008, it was deleted. While it was eventually "speedied" as a copyright violation, that happened after a few days on MFD. So, my deletion was not based on recreation of a speedy deleted, but rather an MFD. — ERcheck (talk) 23:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Right, I see that. However, the criteria on which the MFD was decided (I5 + G12) clearly no longer apply. I5 is not relevant because there is an article ready and waiting for its inclusion and G12 isn't relevant because a Fair Use rationale was given for its inclusion on that specific article in relation to a description specifically about that photo. So in other words, the conclusion of the MFD was faulty. -- Hux (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- The closing admin noted both G12 and I5. His emphasis was on G12. Suppying fair use rationale does not automatically overcome copyright claims. At the time of my re-deletion there was no clear consensus that fair use was appropriate — in fact, you had it as a question. — ERcheck (talk) 11:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Ongoing discussion on the article's talk page also shows no consensus. — ERcheck (talk) 11:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Right, I see that. However, the criteria on which the MFD was decided (I5 + G12) clearly no longer apply. I5 is not relevant because there is an article ready and waiting for its inclusion and G12 isn't relevant because a Fair Use rationale was given for its inclusion on that specific article in relation to a description specifically about that photo. So in other words, the conclusion of the MFD was faulty. -- Hux (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
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- I see where you're coming from. However, it's important to note that the Fair Use rationale that was present at the time you deleted the image was not there when the G12 issue was being discussed, which is why the MFD faulted it on the basis of G12. So deleting it on the basis of that MFD, without recognizing the changes that were made, would be an unsafe deletion in my view, especially considering that editors were working to bring it into line with the image policy.
- If it can be shown that the image satisfies WP:NFCC, would you consider restoring it? If that isn't sufficient, could you give me an idea of what would be considered sufficient? Cheers. -- Hux (talk) 23:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- I've never been involved in an image deletion before, but now that I've looked it seems clear that both your deletion and that done by ChrisO were out of policy.
- First, ChrisO's: He said it was a "speedy deletion" and supplied two CSD, but it could not be a correct "speedy" because there were objections. (WP:IFD says "Images that have been listed here for more than 5 days are eligible for deletion if either a consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to deletion have been raised.") Instead it went to MFD where, contrary to the instructions for closure he closed it after only two, not five, days. Instead of summarizing the discussion and determining rough consensus he closed it based on two CSD (a category error), one barely discussed (the copyvio allegation) and the other completely inappropriate (there was an ongoing discussion as to whether to include the image; the "not used" test is clearly not intended to allow obstructive deletions of contested material without the waiting period). The MFD was, therefor, as Hux says, "faulty". It appears that instead of performing the duty of a closing admin ChrisO misused his powers to enforce his opinion, and nobody involved on the other side was knowledgeable enough to challenge him.
- However, even if it were not faulty, your closure was not in accord with the reason you gave, CSD G4. It apples to "A copy, by any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion, provided the copy is substantially identical to the deleted version[no argument] and that any changes in the recreated page do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted.[the new fair use rationale on the deleted page does address G12; Boolian logic: true AND false = false]
- Since your deletion was in error, I ask that you simply reverse it. Your opinion as to whether consensus exists on the talk page is not relevant to you obligation to do so, but should you volunteer to offer it (and I would welcome your doing so) I ask that you do what WP:CON calls forn namelty that "...finding the actual consensus (or what it will end up as [requires] carefully consider[ing] the strength and quality of the arguments themselves (including any additional concerns that may have been raised along the way), the basis of objection of those who disagree, and in more complex situations, existing documentation in the project namespace... If you are volunteering to carry out an action on the basis of rough consensus, only this thorough approach is acceptable." Andyvphil (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- I see where you're coming from. However, it's important to note that the Fair Use rationale that was present at the time you deleted the image was not there when the G12 issue was being discussed, which is why the MFD faulted it on the basis of G12. So deleting it on the basis of that MFD, without recognizing the changes that were made, would be an unsafe deletion in my view, especially considering that editors were working to bring it into line with the image policy.
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Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without explaining the valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. kickenchicken (talk) 01:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC) your edits have actually not been reverted but could you please provide a reason for your last reverts please. thank you
- Edit summary was provided. I reverted an insertion of false information by a vandalism-only account. [8] I did not "delete" content — I reverted vandalism. Sending me a {{uw-delete2}} warning is inappropriate. — ERcheck (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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no, i was not trying to impersonate you i just liked the layout of your page, but ill restore it to the way it was, just tell me what to take out of the source code because im not skilled with the code, thanks kickenchicken (talk) 00:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Will you please edit my page to a similar layout as yours, but with out references to u or an admin tag —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylant07 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
i see what you mean now, yea i guess ill change it, youre right kickenchicken (talk) 00:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aloha friday
In the future, could you please sort Hawaii-related deletion discussions using the instructions found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Hawaii. Regardless of the content of this article, which I admit not having seen or having access to, the concept is a culturally-significant aspect of Hawaiiana and would qualify for any number of redirects in lieu of content. That the article was summarily deleted without any input from the Hawaii project is indicative of core problems related to the deletion process which are upheld by a group of people who are motivated by the idea of deletion rather than that of an informed opinion. —Viriditas | Talk 15:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for your thoughts. I am not a member of WikiProject Deletion sorting. I do not find from the deletion discussion that the editors who contributed appeared to be "motivated by the idea of deletion rather than that of an informed opinion." (Please AGF on the part of all involved in the discussion.) The deletion discussion speaks for itself — the article was entirely unreferenced. As you feel that it is an important aspect of related to Hawaiian culture, you seem to be in a position to write an article on the topic based on reliable sources. I'd be interested in reading it. — ERcheck (talk) 23:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC) Addendum: If you think the AFD discussion was flawed, you are free to take it to WP:Deletion review. — ERcheck (talk) 23:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- I have assumed good faith, and after participating in AfD and reviewing the deletion discussions for some time, I find the entire deletion process to be unproductive and mismanaged. As for Aloha Friday, I have the sources in front of me and I will be adding a new section to Aloha shirt. It took me approximately one minute to find reliable sources. Even Google Books shows that the topic is covered in Gale's Multicultural Encyclopaedia. That this article was deleted without so much as a redirect demonstrates my point about AfD. It is a complete failure. I am surprised that you think you have to be a member of deletion sorting to have the common courtesy to sort your nomination appropriately so that others may participate. One does not have to be a member of any project to help facilitate discussion. I also question whether the original nomination was made correctly, as I see it was fixed a few hours before the discussion was closed. I'm not sure why you would think I would want a flawed process to be reviewed by an equally broken process of DR, but I want to thank you for brightening up my day with a good laugh. —Viriditas | Talk 23:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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- What have I accused you of? I have condemned the entire process, not any single individual. If you are reading yourself into my comments, there is nothing I can do about that. And, why would I want to take this to DR when I just finished telling you that I wouldn't? Same goes for the article. I just told you that I'm adding it as a section, not as a new article. Are you reading what I'm saying or are you only reading what you want to read? —Viriditas | Talk 23:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- Reviewing the AFD - I did list it under society topics. The article that was nominated did not mention Hawaii — rather referred to it as a colloquialism in the Pacific Northwest, especially Seattle and Portland. It was not mentioned that this was terminology used in Hawaii. With the context of the article that was nominated, listing it under society topics seemed appropriate. — ERcheck (talk) 23:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- What have I accused you of? I have condemned the entire process, not any single individual. If you are reading yourself into my comments, there is nothing I can do about that. And, why would I want to take this to DR when I just finished telling you that I wouldn't? Same goes for the article. I just told you that I'm adding it as a section, not as a new article. Are you reading what I'm saying or are you only reading what you want to read? —Viriditas | Talk 23:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
- I don't appreciate the accusatory nature of your comments — saying that I lack common courtesy. In fact, the article was tagged for speedy deletion, and rather than summarily deleting it, I thought it better to get community input. I did not "vote" for deletion — but let the community give their intput. I did not close the discussion. Again, I suggest you take it to DR if you would like the process reviewed. But, it seems the better solution is for you to write the referenced article that you have information to create. — ERcheck (talk) 23:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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- I have been upset about AfD for some time, and I believe I may have blown some steam off in ERcheck's direction when I saw that he nominated Aloha friday for deletion and it was in fact deleted. For that, I must apologize to ERcheck and hope he accepts. I still think that when a situation like this occurs, an article should be improved, not deleted. There are RS regarding Aloha friday and its relationship to the Aloha shirt. I am concerned that AfD is used to delete valid subjects as an excuse for not having to do the actual work to improve them. When I participated in AfD, I would make every effort to improve an article, and in many cases, I have spent money out of my own pocket to purchase archival articles from news archives in order to prevent them from being deleted. I have done this not out of any great interest in the material, but for the sole purpose of preserving information. Aloha friday should have been, at the very least, redirected to Aloha shirt and expanded. That nobody was willing to rise to the occasion is troublesome. I feel that bureaucracy and process have become more important than research and content. —Viriditas | Talk 08:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. Apology accepted. BTW, did you consider redirecting "Aloha Friday" to Casual Friday? — ERcheck (talk) 02:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
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Hi there, I read your note at Gimme's talkpage. Just to let you know that the bot does not promote or fail nominations, it merely archives them. See WP:FAC/ar for more details. In a nutshell it was failed by User:Scorpion0422 with this edit and this edit. Regards. Woody (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
- Woody, Thanks so much for the info. I was surprised to see a closure without a clear indication of why, while there seemed to be only a few items remaining to address. — ERcheck (talk) 23:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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Oh. You didn't give me the chance to put a "hang on" tag on the page. Maybe I should have done more research into what makes it clear that a person is "notable" in Wikipedia terms. Dr.Anna Poletti is one of Australia's leading experts on zines and D.I.Y. publishing, as evidenced by the fact that Australia's most significant and eminent academic publishing house is about to publish her book on the topic. She is also one of the founders of Australia's National Young Writers' Festival and the yearly Critical Animals conference. Articles have been written in several national newspapers where she has provided expert comment. She has been extensively interviewed on the Australian Broadcasting Commission's Book Programme. I could provide links for these. Do you think this would be sufficient to establish the subject's notability? Thanks. Johannes.klabbers (talk) 23:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
ok.thanks. i will fix it up in my user area and drop you a line when i'm done. any idea how i might retrieve the text from my deleted page? Johannes.klabbers (talk) 09:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Zoor is not illegal or spam
Sir or Madam, please see my website http://zoor.biz, this is the best yellow pages of Pakistan, at least allow me to add link in yellow pages article and commerce and industry articles regarding Pakistan and Karachi, it is 100% relevant believe me my brother or sister. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hasnain.shahab (talk • contribs) 05:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
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Since English is not my mother language i couldn't understand WP policies. visit http://www.ahmed-deedat.co.za/frameset.asp for getting truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hasnain.shahab (talk • contribs) 05:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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