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Hi again. From the lack of new messages here and at Template talk:Navbox, I'm guessing all seems to've gone well with the new code -- except, perhaps, I've just noticed that Navboxes which use the body parameter rather than group and list parameters now don't seem to display anything..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, that's good to hear that there haven't been too many problems. As for the "body", I removed that parameter from the code (the new code would have been much more complex using "body" in addition to "list1"). I thought that I had converted all instances of them to use "list1", but now I'm worried that I might have missed some. I'll do some checking now to see what's up. Can you send me an example of one that doesn't work? --CapitalR (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Templates in Croatia subdivision templates and Czech Republic subdivision templates, because I updated them earlier today before realizing there was a problem with body. (I'll now set AWB not to use body.) I don't know about elsewhere, but hopefully nowhere. I'd take on correcting the templates affected now, but unfortunately will be offline for at least an hour or more. I'll check and repair any still using body on my return.
There does seem to be one other problem, though I'm not sure if it's caused by the revamped Navbox: Navboxes that use navbar = plain no longer display text left-aligned in their titlebars, but indented about one quarter. Hope this can be fixed easily. Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm, this might stem from the fact that I slightly changed the definition of "navbar = plain" with this upgrade. The way it works now is that "navbar = plain" hides the navbar, but puts some blank padding in place (6em wide) to keep the title centered. If you use "navbar = off", the navbar is also hidden, but no padding is used to keep the title centered. Thus, if you're trying to use a left-aligned title, your best option is to go with "navbar = off". Let me know what template is giving you problems and I can take a look (I did a database scan to find all templates that use "navbar=plain" and thought I worked them all out, but might have missed one or two). Oh, and the same rules apply to the "state" parameter, i.e., "state = plain" turns off the show/hide but uses padding to keep the title centered, "state = off" turns it off, but doesn't use any padding. --CapitalR (talk) 13:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and check out the new header and footer options I added to {{Navbox with columns}} (see the examples at the bottom; the doc isn't quite done, but you should be able to figure it out). I know there's at least a hundred templates that can now be converted to use that format if you're interested in helping me find them and convert them. --CapitalR (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all the above. I've just left a note thanking User:Darwinek, as he/she already looks to have corrected the templates where body parameters were mistakenly inserted. The navbar = plain instances are in Navboxes on my userpages, so I'll update those next. I'm in the middle of some template categorization that's a bit more involved than before, but, once I've pushed through it, would be happy to check out and help catch {{Navbox with columns}} examples. In fact, having now come by it a few times, I've been wondering whether or not that template's code might benefit from an overhaul, as setting up the colwidths and padding feels like more of an art than a science, so to speak. (For starters, rename padding as leftpadding, or, better still, remove the need for it?) Sardanaphalus (talk) 15:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree with you that the padding parameter is fubar. I actually spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out how to get rid of it, but just haven't had the time to completely solve the problem (so I left it as is for now). I did add code that removes the padding cell when "padding = 0/0em/0%/0px/0pt", and padding is also removed when column headers and/or footers are used, which helps out a lot. --CapitalR (talk) 15:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
See next thread for followup. Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
As per your response on the Template Talk:Navbox Discussion page, here are a couple of screen captures. Image:IPed Screenshot.png Image:IPed Screenshot2.png Notice the seperation from the tabs at the top, and the tendency for the text to run through items like the tNavbar output. On the Screenshot2 image, not the text behind the top/left logo. Anything you can tell me will be of help. Thanks for your help! Tigey (talk) 19:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Below is the output from the navbox calls you asked me to provide. I had to do it from a sandbox, no Special:ExpandTables. There is a lot of it...
<table class="navbox" cellspacing="0" style=";"><tr><td style="padding:2px;"></td>
</tr>

</table>
<table cellspacing="0" class="nowraplinks collapsible autocollapse" style="width:100%;background:transparent;color:inherit;;"><tr><th style=";" colspan="2" class="navbox-title"><div style="float:left; width:6em;text-align:left;"><div><div class="noprint plainlinksneverexpand" id="Tnavbar" style="background-color: transparent; padding: 0; font-size:xx-small; color:#000000; white-space: nowrap;"></div>
<p><a href="https://www.intelink.gov/wiki/Template:Test" class="external text" title="https://www.intelink.gov/wiki/Template:Test" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#002bb8;" title="View this template.">v</span></a>·<a href="https://www.intelink.gov/wiki/Template_talk:Test" class="external text" title="https://www.intelink.gov/wiki/Template_talk:Test" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#002bb8;" title="Discussion about this template.">d</span></a>·<a href="https://www.intelink.gov/w/index.php?title=Template:Test&action=edit" class="external text" title="https://www.intelink.gov/w/index.php?title=Template:Test&action=edit" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#002bb8;" title="You can edit this template. Please use the preview button before saving.">e</span></a></div></span>
</p>
</div>
</div><span style="font-size:110%;">Title</span></th></tr><tr style="height:2px;"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" style=";" colspan="2">Above</td></tr><tr style="height:2px;"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-group" style=";;">Group1</td><td style="text-align:left;border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;width:100%;padding:0px;;;" class="navbox-list navbox-odd"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"></div>

List1</div></td></tr><tr style="height:2px"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-group" style=";;">Group2</td><td style="text-align:left;border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;width:100%;padding:0px;;;" class="navbox-list navbox-even"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"></div>
List2</div></td></tr><tr style="height:2px;"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" style=";" colspan="2">Below</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div>

</td>
</tr>
</table>
<table class="navbox" cellspacing="0" style=";"><tr><td style="padding:2px;"></td>
</tr>
</table>
<table cellspacing="0" class="nowraplinks collapsible autocollapse" style="width:100%;background:transparent;color:inherit;;"><tr><th style=";" colspan="3" class="navbox-title"><div style="float:left; width:6em;text-align:left;"><div><div class="noprint plainlinksneverexpand" id="Tnavbar" style="background-color: transparent; padding: 0; font-size:xx-small; color:#000000; white-space: nowrap;"></div>
<p><a href="https://www.intelink.gov/wiki/Template:Test" class="external text" title="https://www.intelink.gov/wiki/Template:Test" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#002bb8;" title="View this template.">v</span></a>·<a href="https://www.intelink.gov/wiki/Template_talk:Test" class="external text" title="https://www.intelink.gov/wiki/Template_talk:Test" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#002bb8;" title="Discussion about this template.">d</span></a>·<a href="https://www.intelink.gov/w/index.php?title=Template:Test&action=edit" class="external text" title="https://www.intelink.gov/w/index.php?title=Template:Test&action=edit" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:#002bb8;" title="You can edit this template. Please use the preview button before saving.">e</span></a></div></span>
</p>
</div>

</div><span style="font-size:110%;">Title</span></th></tr><tr style="height:2px;"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" style=";" colspan="3">Above</td></tr><tr style="height:2px;"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-group" style=";;">Group1</td><td style="text-align:left;border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;width:100%;padding:0px;;;" class="navbox-list navbox-odd"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"></div>

List1</div></td><td style="width:0%;padding:0px 0px 0px 2px;" rowspan="3">Image</td></tr><tr style="height:2px"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-group" style=";;">Group2</td><td style="text-align:left;border-left:2px solid #fdfdfd;width:100%;padding:0px;;;" class="navbox-list navbox-even"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"></div>

List2</div></td></tr><tr style="height:2px;"><td></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" style=";" colspan="3">Below</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div>

</td>
</tr>
</table>
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Hopefully that will tell you something. Tigey (talk) 12:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Navbox with columns (2)

I got bored a while back, so tried to get my head around {{Navbox with columns}} and came up with this:

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│                                titlebar                                │
├────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤↓
│      |                |                |       |                |      │vert_m
│      |  ┌──────────┐  |  ┌──────────┐  |       |  ┌──────────┐  |      │↑
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │  COL 1   │  |  │  COL 2   │  | ..... |  │  COL N   │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  │          │  |  │          │  |       |  │          │  |      │
│      |  └──────────┘  |  └──────────┘  |       |  └──────────┘  |      │↓
│      |                |                |       |                |      │vert_m
└────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘↑
|← p% →|  |←   w%   →|     |←   w%   →|  |          |←   w%   →|  |← p% →|
        ←→                             ←→
      horiz_m                       horiz_m (etc)

where, assuming the template's width is 100%, w% = each column's % width, vert_m is each column's top and bottom (vertical) margin, and horiz_m is columns' left and right (horizontal) margin. If vert_m and horiz_m also in %, I make the padding needed either side of the columns (p%) to be: (100 - (Nw + 2N.horiz_m))/2, where N is the number of columns in the template. Or maybe this is how {{Navbox with columns}} calculates the columns' positions (but without the margins)...? Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'm not quite sure how you're suggesting we change the padding feature. Right now, each column width defaults to 10em, and the padding defaults to 5em. I was thinking that I might change the default column width to 15em, and the default padding to 0em. This would require going through the hundred and fifty templates using {{Navbox with columns}} and fixing any that use the default values, but that's not too hard. Then, people wouldn't have to know what the padding does (since it would default to off), unless they wanted it, and could turn it back on. I also added a handy parameter called fullwidth, which, when set to any non-blank value, forces the sum of the widths of all columns to be 100% (and forces the padding off). I'll have to keep thinking more about this padding problem (as you can see from the edit history of the template and its sandbox, I've gone back and forth quite a lot on my thinking lately). --CapitalR (talk) 11:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm meaning to suggest that if all horizontal spacings (colwidths and column margins) can be specified and/or defaulted, a correct padding (p%) should be automatically obtainable: [100% - (N.w% + 2N.horiz_m%)]/2. At least, it looks like it. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Protected Areas of Florida

Your last edit to this template broke it; there's some cruft at the top of the template. Could you take a look at it and see what needs to be done to fix it? Horologium (talk) 23:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Michener & Ont post-secondary

Hi,

Could you offer your opinion on the The Michener Institute and the Template:Ont_post-secondary?

I note that you edited the template in question a while back.[1]

GreenJoe and I disagree on it. I've been reverted twice. Discussion is on the Talk page of the template (Template_talk:Ont_post-secondary).

Thanks, Nephron  T|C 02:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{Gaelic games in Ireland}}

Can you please fix this template as i don't know what's wrong it . It appears the changes you made to {{Navbox with columns}} recently has effected the layout but i may be wrong Gnevin (talk) 18:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Should be all fixed now; it was due to it using old parameter names which have all since been converted to the new ones. Thanks for letting me know. --CapitalR (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Related topics"

Many thanks. I run across a style question for which I'd like to consult the data dump at least once a day, but the entire dump of en.WP from http://download.wikimedia.org/backup-index.html is not going to fit on my hard drive. Should I make do with Google searches? Have you found this dump on the net somewhere (tools.wikimedia.de?), searchable with better tools that Google provides? - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 01:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I used WP:AWB's Database scanner (actually, a version that I heavily modified to run faster and add more features) along with the standard database download (it's huge, I know, but luckily I have some extra hard drive space for it). Each scan takes about 6-8 minutes (but it runs in the background, so I can still do other things on my computer while it works) Without the database on your hard drive, I'm not too sure what to do; the Google idea sounds interesting, but of course you can't really search the wiki-code, just the html results. If you have an occasional request, I'll be happy to run a database scan for you. --CapitalR (talk) 01:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks. I've got a second computer that isn't good for much else (Vista...ughh), that might be the way to go. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 02:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template help

Hey there Capital,

I have a question and it is probably second nature to you... but I was wondering if there was a way to make the information I have on this page into one table with two separate hide able sections. The number of coachees/noms is getting to be too big to fit neatly at the top of my page.Balloonman (talk) 01:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Hey, I just made User:CapitalR/Test1 for you; let me know what you think, and tell me any other features/styles you would like. You can change the default state of each table to be "collapsed" instead of "uncollapsed" once your list gets too long. Note that it has to use two different tables (one for each show/hide), so the widths of the tables and the widths of each column are hard-coded to match up with each other. The widths are easy enough to change if necessary, so hopefully that won't be a problem. --CapitalR (talk) 03:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Thanks Capital... I was thinking more of having it in one table, but two works.Balloonman (talk) 19:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smaller Challenge

Now that you've completed the Navbox templates, if you fancy a smaller challenge then you could consider converting Template:PostWWIISovietAFVS to use the Navbox template. -- WOSlinker (talk) 06:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Yeah...I've come across that one a few times and it's a hard one to convert. I'll have another go and see what I can do. -CapitalR (talk) 11:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Navbox with collapsible sections

Hi again. If I wanted to convert the "Key concepts and logics" group in the below into a collapsible section, while keeping the groups before and after it intact, could it be done using {{Navbox with collapsible sections}}?:

v • d • e
Logic
History
Core articles
Key concepts
and logics
Other non-classical
Controversies
Key figures
Alfarabi · Algazel · Alkindus · Al-Razi · Aristotle · Averroes · Avicenna · Boole · Cantor · Carnap · Church · Dharmakirti · Dignāga · Frege · Gentzen · Kanada · Gödel · Gotama · Hilbert · Ibn al-Nafis · Ibn Hazm · Ibn Taymiyyah · Kripke · Mozi · Nagarjuna · Pāṇini · Peano · Peirce · Putnam · Quine · Russell · Skolem · Suhrawardi · Tarski · Turing · Whitehead · Zadeh
Lists of topics
Other lists
Portal · Category · WikiProject · Logic stubs · Mathlogic stubs · Cleanup · Noticeboard
v • d • e
Logic
History
Core articles
 
Key concepts and logics
Other non-classical
Controversies
Key figures
Alfarabi · Algazel · Alkindus · Al-Razi · Aristotle · Averroes · Avicenna · Boole · Cantor · Carnap · Church · Dharmakirti · Dignāga · Frege · Gentzen · Kanada · Gödel · Gotama · Hilbert · Ibn al-Nafis · Ibn Hazm · Ibn Taymiyyah · Kripke · Mozi · Nagarjuna · Pāṇini · Peano · Peirce · Putnam · Quine · Russell · Skolem · Suhrawardi · Tarski · Turing · Whitehead · Zadeh
Lists of topics
Other lists
Portal · Category · WikiProject · Logic stubs · Mathlogic stubs · Cleanup · Noticeboard
v • d • e
Logic
History
Core articles
 
Key concepts and logics
Controversies
Key figures
Alfarabi · Algazel · Alkindus · Al-Razi · Aristotle · Averroes · Avicenna · Boole · Cantor · Carnap · Church · Dharmakirti · Dignāga · Frege · Gentzen · Kanada · Gödel · Gotama · Hilbert · Ibn al-Nafis · Ibn Hazm · Ibn Taymiyyah · Kripke · Mozi · Nagarjuna · Pāṇini · Peano · Peirce · Putnam · Quine · Russell · Skolem · Suhrawardi · Tarski · Turing · Whitehead · Zadeh
Lists of topics
Other lists
Portal · Category · WikiProject · Logic stubs · Mathlogic stubs · Cleanup · Noticeboard

I have the feeling I'm missing something obvious, so sorry in advance if so. Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I added one way to do it above just by adding a "title" to Navbox subgroups. The second way just renames the "Navbox subgroups" template to "Navbox with collapsible groups|child" template (and then manually sets the groupstyle to have background:#e6e6ff). Conveniently, all of the parameters in {{Navbox}}/{{Navbox subgroups}}/{{Navbox with collapsible groups}} are the basically the same (groupN and listN, groupNstyle and listNstyle, etc.), so swapping between them is easy. Let me know if you want me to try another style. You'll probably have to make some manual color/group width tweaks to get it to look right, but you can get the picture of how it all works. --CapitalR (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, one other thing. I had to make a really evil change to {{Navbox subgroup}} to deal with the Internet Explorer box model bug. Basically, in {{Navbox subgroup}}, all group cells have a left/right padding of 0, but inside each group cell is a div, with left/right padding of 0.75em (inside of which is the group contents). This causes the widths to be rendered equally on Firefox/IE. Unfortunately, it means that we can no longer specify "groupstyle = padding-left/right:Xem;", because this will add padding in addition to the 0.75em padding from the div. Thus, if you want to change the default padding, you can use the new "grouppadding" parameter (i.e. "grouppadding = 0em 1em"). Of course, if you just want to bump the padding up from 0.75em to 1em, you could do something like "groupstyle = padding:0em 0.25em", which will do the trick, albeit in a rather confusing way. Sorry for making such an evil system, but that was the best solution I could find for the group width problem (very few templates change the default group padding in subgroups, so it should matter much though). And feel free to tweak any of my choices for padding (I just made 0.75 up, you can change it to 1em as a default if you like that better). --CapitalR (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Deletion of Category:Barbarians.

Hi CapitalR,

That's ok, I didn't take it personally. I left some defense for it at the site you gave me. Thanks. I was having a debate on a different arcticle, and it got pretty ugly. So, we should concentrate on making this a "friendly debate". :)
Would you be interested in joining WikiProject Barbarians? I could really use some help! :). I added a place to add your username on the site to join.
Thanks!--Pecopteris (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for inviting me to your new WikiProject. I'm definitely a history buff, so it sounds interesting, but unfortunately I'm not much of an article writer. Most of my time spend on Wikipedia is dedicated to grunt work: mostly creating, updating, and organizing templates, writing scipts to perform menial tasks, and fulfilling editprotected requests (which is how I came across your WikiProject -- you asked for a protected edit to Ghengis Khan). I'll keep an eye on it though to see if anything ever looks interesting for me to do. -Thanks again, and glad there's no hard feelings over my deletion nomination. -CapitalR (talk) 16:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome! No hard feelings at all, as long as people think it benifits Wikipedia!
If you would like to join, than your description of yourself sounds great for the project! I am an arcticle writer, so we would balance each other out great. Just add your name to the list if you would like.
Thanks a lot for editing the project, I can't belive I missed that inserted e-mail! Thank you :)--Pecopteris (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops

Hi, thanks for your edits at {{cite journal}}. I'm afraid I messed up the edit again! Would you mind taking a look when you get the chance? Thanks. Smith609 Talk 11:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Should be all set now, let me know if there's more you need done there. --CapitalR (talk) 11:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit to WikiProjectBanners

Was this doing what I think it was doing, which is adding an invisible counterpart to the "show/hide" button on the opposite side, to restore the central alignment? If so, thankyou for the penny-drop moment! Happy‑melon 20:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup, that's what it was for. Hope you don't mind. --CapitalR (talk) 20:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Not at all! You'll have to excuse me, but I'm just bowing down in worship for a few moments, then I'll go off and fix the problem that I've been tinkering with without success for a couple of weeks now, which seems to be broadly the same issue. Thanks! ~~

[edit] Template:Pow

Is there a reason for the extra #expr's in Template:Pow? Is there some case where the previous version doesn't work? --- RockMFR 18:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope, good point. I just removed them. Not sure what I was thinking when I added them in. --CapitalR (talk) 18:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just to say hai

Tinucherian has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend or a possibly new friend. Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Have a great day ! -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rfb participation thanks

Hello, Capital.

I wanted to personally thank you for taking part in the project-wide discussions regarding my candidacy for bureaucratship. After bureaucratic discussion, the bureaucrats decided that there was sufficient significant and varied opposition to my candidacy, and thus no consensus to promote. Although personally disappointed, I both understand and respect their decision, especially in light of historical conservatism the project has had when selecting its bureaucrats. If you have any further suggestions or comments as to how you think I could help the project, please let me know. Once again, thank you for your your early and strong support. -- Avi (talk) 16:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Note

I am a representative of the AARP. Recently, I was purging Wikipedia of articles found in violation of the "Anti-Online Boredom and Useless Information Law", a law intended to benefit todays seniors. You reverted my deletions, therefore violating several charter laws. You have 5 minutes to put them back. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jibberishman (talk • contribs) 22:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

That's one of the more humorous excuses I've seen for blatant vandalism. --CapitalR (talk) 22:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
This is no joke. You have gone over the deadline set forth. You have one more chance before legal ramifications will take place. If you do not belive me, Google the Anti-Online Boredom and Useless Information Law. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jibberishman (talk • contribs) 00:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WBOSITG's RfA

Hello CapitalR, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for your participation in my RfA which was passed with a final tally of 114/10/4. I'm both shocked and honoured to gain so much support from users whom I admire and trust, and I hope I can avoid breaking that backing by being the best administrator I possibly can. I will take on board the opposition's comments and I hope to improve over the coming months and years. Once again, thank you! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 20:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi CapitalR; I wanted to say thank you for supporting my request for adminship, which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, PeterSymonds | talk 21:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question about Navbox standardization

Hi, CapitalR. With the standardization on {{Navbox}} is the thought that this be used on all templates that would serve as footers? Take a look at {{USL First Division Stadiums}} in the article PAETEC Park article due to its use of the {{Football box start}} standardization. Needless to say, it does not play nicely with the {{MLL Stadiums}} Navbox right below it. I would appreciate any thoughts on how this should be handled. --Gwguffey (talk) 05:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the {{Football box start}} templates don't really match up well with Navbox, but unfortunately there's so many of them that they basically have a de facto standard of their own. Personally I prefer using {{Navbox}}, and {{Navbox}} now supports being able to put multiple templates inside of a single border like {{Football box start}}, but doing so requires editing each article individually instead of just the templates, which makes it very difficult to change. I've considered writing a bot to convert all {{Football box start}} templates to use {{Navbox}} instead, but that would be quite controversial, so I've stayed away for now. The {{USL First Division Stadiums}} template, in particular, looks like it could go either way, so I'd say feel free to be bold and change it to {{Navbox}} if you like, but just keep in mind you'd have update each article that uses it to fix the code. --CapitalR (talk) 05:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
It seems that football box set up works fine on football-specific articles (like those for teams, clubs, seasons, players, etc.) but shouldn't be used for the stadia as those articles aren't about football — they are about architecture. And those generally have uses other than football. Thank you for the input. --Gwguffey (talk) 13:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Recent changes article requests

Hey. Be very very very very very very careful when editing templates that are used on the interface pages. You added Template:Rand, an unprotected template, to Template:Recent changes article requests. Someone was extremely close to performing what probably would have been a giant-penis-on-RC-and-AIV attack. --- RockMFR 06:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the heads up there; my bad for not protecting that template. --CapitalR (talk) 06:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Thanks

Thanks for your support at my recent Request for adminship. I hope you find I live up to your expectations. Best, Risker (talk) 15:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Mashups edits

Hi CapitalR

I've been researching some of the technologies behind mashups (which we love :-) ) and I noticed that you'd recently edited the mashup page.

There seems to be only a limitated explaination of the enabling technologies behind mashups. Where feeds are already available mashups can be created but only recently have some of the major players looked beyond simple screen scraping and into wrapping websites in order to create feeds where feeds don't currently exist.

I've drafted a Wiki on this which is posted on my user page and I'd greatly appreciate any and all help in beating it into Wiki shape.

If you get the chance it be great to hear your thoughts. Many thanks in advance.

Cadwellian (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Unfortunately I was only reverting vandalism on the page and I don't know much about the topic, so I won't be much of a help with you in writing the article. Good luck though and keep up the good work! --CapitalR (talk) 16:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject:Magic template

But if you get a chance could you take a look at this discussion. There is some interest in a template, and I was wondering if you could possibly present a sample?Balloonman (talk) 22:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look later tonight or in the morning. --CapitalR (talk) 23:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thank-spam

CapitalR, just a note of appreciation for your recent support of my request for adminship, which ended successfully with 112 supports, 2 opposes, and 1 neutral. If there's something I've realized during my RFA process this last week, it's that adminship is primarily about trust. I will strive to honour that trust in my future interactions with the community. Many thanks! Gatoclass (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks!

RfA: Many thanks
Many thanks for your participation in my recent request for adminship. I am impressed by the amount of thought that goes into people's contribution to the RfA process, and humbled that so many have chosen to trust me with this new responsibility. I step into this new role cautiously, but will do my very best to live up to your kind words and expectations, and to further the project of the encyclopedia. Again, thank you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My recent RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA, which unfortunately didn't succeed. The majority of the opposes stated that I needed more experience in the main namespace and Wikipedia namespace and talk space, so that is what I will do. I have made a list and I hope I will be able to get through it. I will go for another RfA in about three month's time and I hope you will be able to support me then as well. If you have any other comments for me or wish to be notified when I go for another RfA, please leave them on my talk page. If you wish to nominate me for my next RfA, please wait until it has been about three months. I will not be checking back to this page so if you would like to comment or reply please use my talk page. Thanks again for participating in my RfA! ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 06:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
It's so difficult patrolling RC alongside your speedy reactions! Keep up the good work ——Ryan | t • c 11:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, much appreciated. --CapitalR (talk) 12:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... And here I thought I had a novel idea. Well RyanLupin, our timings are impeccable.
The Special Barnstar
For tireless efforts and ideas in porting a very complicated template to an outside Wiki. Tigey (talk) 12:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Navbox with columns

Hi again. First, sorry not've followed up #Template:Navbox with collapsible sections above -- I got distracted but I'm aiming to revist the template involved, {{Logic}}, sooner rather than later. This post, however, is about {{Navbox with columns}}, which I've just implemented within {{United States topics}}. (Doing so has made me start to appreciate properly your recent work with the Navbox templates.) I tried to reduce the gaps between lines within the {{Navbox with columns|child}} template by using colsstyle and then bodystyle to set a line-height (e.g. line-height = 1.4em;) but nothing seems to happen. Hope I'm missing something easy. Sardanaphalus (talk) 00:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a very weird problem that I wasn't aware of until now. First, it seems that I unknowingly removed the "colsstyle" parameter in favor of "colstyle" (this was an accident, I didn't even realize colsstyle was being used before; feel free to re-add colsstyle if you like). When I did so, I didn't update the {{Navbox with columns/doc}} page, but I've now updated that.
Now, I just spent a while trying to figure out that strange line-height problem, and it seems this is an html/css issue, not really a bug in the template. Unfortunately, line-height only works for table cells when the content is inline. {{Navbox}}, for example, uses inline content, but {{Navbox with columns}} doesn't (we could change this, but it would require updating all instances, and I don't think it's worth it). The difference is as follows:
The rendered code of an inline cell looks like this:
<td style="line-height:1.4em;">Content</td>
The rendered code of a non-inline cell looks like this:
<td style="line-height:1.4em;">
Content
</td>
Basically, the inline code is all on one line. Like I said, Navbox uses the inline approach (which is why it's necessary to put div tags before and after a list item to get line breaks to work properly) and Navbox with columns doesn't use it (because basically all instances use line breaks, so to avoid putting div tags in every single col in every instance of the template, we opted not to use the inline approach). Html/CSS, for some odd reason, doesn't seem to support using line-height when the inline approach isn't used, so it won't work for Navbox with columns. You can, instead, just wrap the content of each cell in a div container with the style set to line-height:1.4em, and that will work (just keep the div inline; i.e., don't put a line break before or after it). Hope that helps. --CapitalR (talk) 01:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for all the above. Reading it, I think I'd subconsciously registered this subtle html/css behavior sometime in the past, but hadn't looked into it. In the meantime, I've just seen your neater version of {{United States topics}} -- but -- even with the loss of the Intelligence links, it's still going to be too wide for smaller screen/window sizes. So, I'm going to toy with it again for a while now and either leave it further amended or as your version (since I hope people will get the format idea even is it's still too wide when they see it). Sardanaphalus (talk) 03:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Ah yes, forgot about the limit for smaller screens. I mostly did that up just so you could see how the new colheaders feature works; feel free to do a wholesale reversion if it doesn't work properly or if you have a better idea. --CapitalR (talk) 04:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Well, I've accommodated everything again but by reversing the technology. I like the colheader/footer idea and especially colheader/footercolspan, but it didn't seem workable in this instance. Please prove me wrong, though, if you can see how. Meanwhile, I'm beginning to recall other templates that might really benefit from the Navbox options you've implemented. {{Discrimination (footer)}}, for instance, is one I just happen to've seen again, and it looks like it's crying out for {{Navbox with collapsible sections}}. I'll get to it and others I'm reminded of as and when. Sardanaphalus (talk) 04:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence

Please update the site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.102.27 (talk) 18:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Put up an {{editprotected}} request on the talk page and I or another admin will respond. Be sure that the edit is either uncontroversial or has consensus before adding the editrequested tag. --CapitalR (talk) 01:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit request at Talk:Myanmar

Hello CapitalR. Regarding your removal of the edit request, I agree that it was a non-conventional way of requesting the article to be moved back to "Burma". However, contradicting your statement regarding consensus for the move, there's a long thread at ANI where there's a clear agreement that Nichalp's unilateral move to "Myanmar" two days ago was inappropriate. There's just not a single uninvolved admin willing to undo his action. Regards, Húsönd 00:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It was a rather interesting way to request a page move. I skimmed through the recent discussion quickly when evaluating whether to fulfill the request and learned of the recent controversy. It did not look like there was consensus to change it back to Burma, however, and many people had complained that it was moved from Myanmar to Burma a few months ago. I think reverting to move would open up a wheel war, which is even worse than having the m:wrong version. Of course you're free to re-add the tag and see if another admin is willing to perform the move (I won't remove it again), but I don't agree that this is the appropriate course of action at this time. --CapitalR (talk) 01:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
No, I won't re-add the tag. The edit request idea wasn't mine, I just thought that it could prove useful in drawing the attention of an administrator from the WP:RFPP squad, who could provide very good feedback on Nichalp's inappropriate move of a, and I stress, move-protected page. It is true that some users dispute the result of the move proposal from last October. But regardless of the validity of their arguments, that move proposal was in strict compliance to the WP:RM process. If they disagree with the closure of that proposal, they should request community feedback on the adequacy of the closing admin's decision. But what we have here now is an admin who unilaterally moved the article back to Myanmar. The admin Nichalp, who also happens to be a bureaucrat, misused the tools and admitted that he used WP:IAR and his sole interpretation of consensus to bypass the entire process and the rest of the community. You may have noticed at the ANI thread that almost everyone agrees with this. Reverting Nichalp is not a strict wheel war, but rather a necessary though regrettable way for fixing a wrongdoing. Much like when an admin goes wild and blocks a few admins for no reason. Undoing that admin could be considered wheel warring, but if you're obviously doing the right thing, then it's probably not. And in this case, how could it not be the right thing to revert Nichalp, if reverting him would represent an enforcement of process and community consensus over an admin who clearly took a very bad decision? By the way, the comparison with the rogue admin above is not meant to be taken seriously, I don't think that Nichalp deliberately intended to misuse the tools and cause disruption. But still, he has not acknowledged his mistake. And, he's on a wikibreak apparently. And, the article is still at "Myanmar", since nobody is willing to stand for the core values of this project anymore. Best regards, Húsönd 02:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks so much for your support in myRfA, which closed successfully this morning. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Input on appropriateness

Hey Capital, can we get your input here?Balloonman (talk) 23:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Navbox with collapsible groups / with collapsible sections

Hi again. I've only just clocked that {{Navbox with collapsible sections}} and {{Navbox with collapsible groups}} are separate templates, though they seem to be (near-)identical. Is there a plan so the first ("with collapsible sections") takes over from the second? This seems to make sense to me as {{Navbox with collapsible groups}} wouldn't then appear to use "group" in two different ways. I'd be happy to try to implement this, assuming I haven't misunderstood anything. Sardanaphalus (talk) 00:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that either. The {{Navbox with collapsible sections}} was just a prototype I drew up and should have been redirected to {{Navbox with collapsible groups}} as soon as that template was updated. I must have forgot to make the redirect, and it seems that someone used the template. I'll convert the instances to {{Navbox with collapsible groups}} and then make it a redirect. Thanks for letting me know! --CapitalR (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, it's now been redirected appropriately. It is true that "group" is used in two different meanings, and I originally planned to make "sections" the term for this type of template. However, I changed my mind because with "group" it is very simple to switch between {{Navbox}} and {{Navbox with collapsible groups}}, since all the parameters are exactly the same. Thus, just by switching the name of the template and leaving all parameters alone, one can change the format of a template. I figured this added functionality out-weighed the confusion between the different definitions of "group". That and someone else had already created {{Navbox with collapsible groups}}, so I was just keeping the name the same. --CapitalR (talk) 00:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] my RfA - Ta!

Gwen gleans, wending keen by the wikirindle.Thanks for supporting my RfA, which went through 93/12/5. I'll be steadfast in this trust the en.Wikipedia community has given me. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Gwen gleans, wending keen by the wikirindle.

Thanks for supporting my RfA, which went through 93/12/5. I'll be steadfast in this trust the en.Wikipedia community has given me. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


and thanks from me too! I appreciate the vote of confidence and will strive to live up to the trust! --Slp1 (talk) 01:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Fraternity Leadership Association

Template:Fraternity Leadership Association has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Explodicle (talk) 18:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thank you spam

Hi there - thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed 69/10/3 yesterday. I will put the tools to good use and hopefully justify the confidence you had in me. Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 11:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Woodling/Busbey coaches

The following articles Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Homer_E._Woodling were nominated for deletion. You are welcome to share your opinion on if they should be deleted or not. Thank you for your time. --SportsMaster (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for your quick edit! Timneu22 (talk) 19:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kosovo

Please add Sierra Leone.84.134.87.152 (talk) 19:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RFC: Removal of magic methods - what next?

Hi! As someone who has taken part in the RFC in Project Magic, I thought you ought to be aware that it looks like a consensus is being reached, and it is probably now just a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's. If you could pop over to the discussion and add your thoughts, that would be great. StephenBuxton (talk) 12:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

As there have been no objections to the draft guidelines I created a while back, I have taken the bold action of making them the current guidelines. You can view the change here. If you disagree with the revised changes, or have any further comments on the change, please feel free to raise it on the project talk page. Thank you. StephenBuxton (talk) 11:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Templates

Hey CapitalR,


The templates {{ArticleHistory}} and {{NewsBanners}} being used on Talk:Evolution look like they need a little bit of tweaking - I think the text just needs to be centered. I noticed you fixed the {{WikiProjectBanners}} template already, at least, it looks like you fixed the same problem on that template. Is there any chance you could have a look at these other two as well? Cheers, Ben (talk) 11:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Navbox or infobox -- or sidebar?

Hi again. Just wondering whether you regard templates like this as navboxes or infoboxes; despite first appearances, my instinct is to say they're navboxes -- or, perhaps more accurately, sidebars -- as they don't use parameters...? Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)