User talk:Jbmurray

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jbmurray is busy in real life and may not respond swiftly to queries.
Notice I prefer to keep both sides of my discussions together. If you leave me a message here, I will reply here, probably with a copy to your page. But if I left a note on your talk page, feel free to reply there or here. Thanks!
Caution With perhaps rare exceptions, I will now only be editing at weekends.
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[edit] rfa thanks

j.b., I just wanted to thank you for participating in my recent RFA. I've prepared an in-depth RFA analysis based on the comments that were made, including your comment about the social networking/blog-like activity. i've explained what my "hello world" is (now) being used for, admittedly the february and march entries weren't encyclopedic. i'd appreciate your further comment on if you think it's a worthwhile endeavour. also, some templated thank spam is available below. cheers, xenocidic (talk) 23:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

templated rfa thank-spam

[edit] Uriel Sebree

Thank you for your recent comments on Benjamin Franklin Tilley's FAC. I'm working to address your concerns. Do you have a better one-line summary that I can use for the Spanish-American war? The ones that I came up with generally weren't NPOV or were too short. I'm just thinking that I may drop the "introduction to the war" entirely since it may not need context as it's a generally understood historical event, but that doesn't feel right either.

You know, I wouldn't worry about it. I may have a search around for a better one-line summary, but as I said on the FAC page itself, it's far from being a deal-breaker as far as I'm concerned. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

As a side note, since you had very good comments for Tilley, would you possibly have time to take a look over another article I recently finished editing, Uriel Sebree. I have a peer review of it open and afterwards I will probably submit it to GA? or FAC. Your commentary would be appreciated before I submit it, so that I can have it be as good as possible for the review process. JRP (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Will do. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I just took the quickest of glances at the article. Like Benjamin Franklin Tilley, it looks pretty good. A certain GA, and not far from FAC. You certainly make good use of the nineteenth-century newspaper sources. I do think that here, as at the other article, the prose is a little uninspired; anything that could be done to polish it up and make it less proseliny would be good. I'll try to return to it later. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm playing around with using a timeline box, like the one I did on Henry Minett. (Very much a work in progress, but you get the idea.) The dilemma is that certain things in the box should be in the article, and the last thing I want is to try and boil down a career into such a simple list. Possibly having such a list on Sebree would allow me to skip in prose some of the less interesting postings. But at the same time, it's hard to have a full view of his life in the prose if you skip large portions of it. JRP (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anglesey Central Railway

(crossposted to assorted user's talk pages, if you're thinking this looks a bit familiar)
While looking at WP:GAN for other articles to review (I don't like nominating things without reviewing one if possible), I've come across Anglesey Central Railway. Looking at the creator's history, all they've worked on is this article and articles related to it (aside, bizarrely, from Characters in Asterix). While I can't in all honesty pass this at the moment – it has serious structural failures, as well as bending the MOS to breaking point – this is so much better than a new editor's usual "my favourite band" starting effort that I'd really like to get this one through the GA hoop. (IMO there's enough sourced content there to get it to FA.) I'll have a go at cleaning it up, but you're generally much better at the "nuts and bolts" side of things than me; would you mind having a look at it too, as I really think this looks like an author who should be encouraged. (What I know about Welsh railways can be summarised as 1) they're railways and 2) they're Welsh, so I don't think I'll be much use in content-adding.) — iridescent 21:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I had a quick look at this. It's a ways from FA, I'd say: too many short sections that still need fleshing out. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 07:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RCC FAC

This message is being sent to all opposers of the Roman Catholic Church FAC. Thank you for taking the time to come see the page and give us your comments. I apologize for any drama caused by my imperfect human nature. As specified in WP:FAC, I am required to encourage you to come see the page and decide if your oppose still stands. Ceoil and others have made changes to prose and many edits have been made to address FAC reviewers comments like yours. Thank you. NancyHeise (talk) 23:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] May FAC and FAR reviewer award

The Reviewers Award The Reviewers Award
To Jbmurray,
For your excellent work at Featured article candidates during May, thank you for the solid reviews of articles this month and for your thorough work towards helping promote Wiki's finest work. And a special thanks for lending a hand at WP:FAR as well!
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Monty Hall FAR

copied from user talk:Rick Block

(copied over from my talk page:) Yeah, it looked as though we had rather different interpretations of WP:LEAD, among other things, and I felt the discussion wasn't particularly productive. However, I'm happy to leave it at that, and have no real problems with the article remaining featured. Well done! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 19:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I'd like to think that we have similar interpretations of WP:LEAD (and other things) and that discussion would generally be productive. I hope this doesn't come across as pestering, and I do appreciate your willingness to let it drop, but I would like to understand. Would it be possible for you to sketch a new lead without spending too much time on it (rough sketch, without any polish)? No big hurry, and if this is too much of an imposition I guess I'll just have to be left wondering. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting you go to the trouble of actually rewriting the lead in a manner appropriate to edit into the article - just a quick sketch either here or perhaps at the article's talk page (I assume this would be easier than actually rewriting the lead). -- Rick Block (talk) 20:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, yeah, thanks for this. I'll try to do something, but I'm a little busy. I do appreciate your getting in touch. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] If you get time

Hey. I was just wondering if you get time could you take a quick look at this page and maybe correct some things if you see anything wrong and tell me what they were also so I can try to improve a bit more on my article writing. Thanks. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 23:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for this. I left a quick note about the sourcing: the article currently has few if any third-party sources. I do wonder also if it's the best way for you to gain article-writing experience. Perhaps choose a topic that's more obviously of interest to you, and easier to get decent sources? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 01:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes I agree that I should do another article but this one is just to help out a friend a bit. Its actually his article but it got deleted first time round. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 06:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re oppose strike

The edit comment line has a character limit, and therefore my response is unnecessarily curt. I apologize for that. I would like to explain my M.O. The RCC FA nomination page has become exceedingly long, and the support/oppose comments difficult to account for. Several individuals marked oppose twice without qualification. In the case of this article, this double vote would be difficult to notice by the FA director. I struck your second oppose (though I left your first) and made an inline comment regarding its risk of double counting. I made no further edit to your comments. I am amenable to a phrasing similar to Still oppose to immediately and clearly note that this is an additional set of comments. Without the strikethrough, this set of comments is a second ‘nay’ vote for the FA, which is clearly unfair. I encourage your additional comments regarding this FA. However, if you insist on being counted twice, I will not hesitate to involve administrators. I doubt it will come to that since you seem to be a reasonable individual. I have a habit of putting that statement upfront early on in discussion of such matters as I typically deal with persistent vandals to certain articles. I apologize for the brusqueness it causes. Best regards. Lwnf360 (talk) 08:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I have no thought of "voting" twice. I revisited the FAC when asked by the nominator. You should not be editing other editors' comments on the FAC, let alone doing it twice, after I'd made it clear you shouldn't be doing it. And repeated attempts to threaten other editors (by bringing in admins or whatever) hardly dispose me towards whatever point of view you may have. Moreover, I am certain that the FA director (or rather, his delegate) can see that this is a revisited oppose, rather than some kind of underhand "insist[ence] on being counted twice," the very suggestion of which is insulting and ridiculous.
However, should you be confused by the situation, I am happy to clarify it for you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 08:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Your actions speak otherwise for opposing the FA twice. As you have rendered it, you are very likely to be counted twice with regard to your opposition of this FA. Fairness is very important in this process—this article has been denied FA four times, as-such I want to see the ‘i’s dotted and ‘t’s crossed. I respect your opposition, but I do not support the way you have added additional comments. Please either strike your second oppose or change the wording so that it is immediately clear that this is a revisit for you. If you remain obstinate, I will, regrettably, involve administrators over this petty issue. I ask that you reconsider your actions regarding this. Best regards. Lwnf360 (talk) 09:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying your wording regarding your oppose. Lwnf360 (talk) 09:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
(ec) Before you made this comment, did you bother to look at my most recent edit to the FAC itself? I am not the one being obstinate here. Again, your attempts to threaten me (by talking about "involv[ing] adminstrators") are hardly very impressive. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 09:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I was writing my stricken comment while you made the further edits to the FAC. I struck my above comment, and thanked you for clarifying your continued oppose to the RCC FAC immediately after I saw your clarification. Again, I apologize for approaching this in a way that has upset you. Best regards. Lwnf360 (talk) 09:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

(outdent:) The issue is at an end as far as I'm concerned. But I've dropped you a note about your habits on other people's talk pages and elsewhere. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 09:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)