Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennessee/Archive 1

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New WikiProject

I've had this in my watchlist for a while. More than happy to help get it off the ground. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

~~I didn't even know it existed till you tagged Murfreesboro.~~ Of course, now I see it was just created today.... Don't know what I can do, but I'll add my name. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 21:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, this Wikiproject was sorely needed. A good member to have would be User:Rlquall, that guy has probably edited every TN-related article a few times, and every one is far better for it. Danthemankhan 21:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Progress

Yesterday, in a fit of activity, I applied {{WikiProject Tennessee}} to all the pages linked to from {{Tennessee}} and all TN sports teams articles, along with a bunch of other the smaller cities.

I also whipped up a quickie userbox at {{User WikiProject Tennessee}}.

Wheee. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced

Hello, I commend the work that has gone into both Tennessee Titans and 2006 Tennessee Titans season. However, these article are completely unreferenced and I have tagged them as such. Articles on Wikipedia need to compley with WP:V and WP:RS. Please add some sources to these article so they do not get deleted. Thanks and keep up the good work. Johntex\^talk 16:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Franklin

I am shocked by the lack of information on the city of Franklin in Williamson County. That town is filled with many historical sites from two civil war battles and many other events. I'm in school right now so I can't go to these historical places to do research right now but when spring break rolls around I will definantly write some articles about the the Civil War sites. SMBriscoe 01:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Knoxville, TN, Historic Structures

Since the Knoxville, Tennessee page is an overview of the city, would it be better if I created a separate page for the historic structures rather than have them on the main page? I could then do links from Knoxville, Knox County and Farragut. I'm the newbie, so I could use your input.--Baxterguy 12:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow...this list definitely needs to be either moved to a separate article or significantly pruned down. If these locations are on the National Register of Historic Places, then I would suggest removing them from this article and placing them at List of Registered Historic Places in Tennessee#Knox County, which can then be wikilinked from the Knoxville article. This tidies up the page, and consolidates all of the Knoxville area and statewide locations in one place. Additional historic places that are not on the National Register, if they are actually notable in some way (being old doesn't imply notability), should remain in the Knoxville article. Also remember that it isn't necessary to create an article for every location, again, if it isn't truly notable. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 15:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Focus

So what should be be focusing on? I've been adding the TN Wikiproject template to discussion pages, any other major initiatives we should be doing? Anybody notice any areas that need work? --AW 15:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

At this point, I'd suggest raising the quality and citations of the major cities (Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville, Chattanooga), then secondary cities (such as Jackson, Murfreesboro, Clarksville, Franklin, etc). Of course, every person has their areas of specific knowledge, so just work on those things you are comfortable with. Any contribution is great. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 16:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. I do think we could use some more people though. i've brought in a couple, but the more the merrier --AW 17:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm more than happy to help in any way - I'm not as familiar as many on the subject, but I'm pretty handy with templates and fact checking. Ancjr 07:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Clinton, Tennessee

Can some of you good folk watchlist and review the content of this article. We've received a complaint and I have removed blatant pov pushing, but the article needs watched against a return and the current content checked for fairness. Thanks.--Doc^g 22:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Will do --AW 15:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

New articles

Dear Wikipedians, a list of possible Tennessee-related articles found by bot is available at User:AlexNewArtBot/TennesseeSearchResult. Colchicum 15:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Very cool! If people could tag some of them with the TN template, that would be great. I've done a few --AW 18:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for Project Template

Hey!

I have joined the TN project just recently, I am glad I found it. I live in Tennessee and have started a few articles about smaller TN topics. I also have put some photos I made of TN locations into articles. This project is a good idea for people who are interested in whatever niche of TN topic and they can concentrate their knowledge and interests and discuss their issues.

There's something I would like to ask about the formulation of the project template.

On the project template is says "This article is part of Wiki Project Tennessee".

Some other state templates read "This article is within the scope of Wiki Project state"

Are there objections to change the Tennessee project template to the second formulation "... is within the scope of ..."? Here's why I suggest it. Is "part of" sounds like or might give the impression that the very article is currently being worked on according to the Wikipedia sandards and being improved and soon it is going to be ready and finished.

Furthermore it might discourage new Wikipedians to contribute to articles. Imagine a newly created articles about any topic. Someone might work on or even start a new article and later the tag appears saying that the article is "part of" a project now. This could discourage the contributor in two ways. First he or she might get the impression that someone else has taken over now and stop him or her from contributing or they might feel like their efforts are not recognized. Of course, there is no ownership of articles but people sure are proud of their work.

The formulation "is within the scope", however, can sound more rewarding if put on an article because, especially for new articles. It could encourage the contributor to continue because the article has been recognised as an important element in something bigger.

Since I understand this project to be an ongoing one the second formulation would better make the point. It would suggest that the article has been recognized as one that meets the criteria of the project and is going to become subject to improval once an expert on what needs to be improved starts over on the article. The improval need not be immediate but rather ongoing, just as the project is.

As a conclusion I would say that "is within the scope" better underlines the constant process and ongoing progress in the project as well as in Wikipedia and it can encourage new Wikipedians by recognising their work. The formulation "is within the scope" has less possessive connotations and might be encouraging to new Wikipedians.

Finally, this suggestion is just about the words, I don't want to change any project policies. Words can be very precise instruments.

I am looking forward to hear your opinions!

DoxTxob 19:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely, the second term sounds better and would bring the template into standardization with other such WikiProjects (and with WikiProjects as a whole. I have no problem with the change, and say go right on ahead :) -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 06:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we could expand the project template. I like what Kentucky's says, for example, inviting people to join:

{{WikiProject Kentucky}}--AW 18:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, unless someone objects, I'm going to make it more like the Kentucky banner. Anyone? --AW 15:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Great idea, full support, I like that it is encouraging users to join, so far there are not too many users in the project Tennessee. Great way to encourage users with similar interests.

DoxTxob 18:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I did a little work at it here: User:Awiseman/Sandbox/Template:WPTN. I can't get the Watch All link to work though, can somebody else have a look? --AW 18:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks great already!

I found these pages. Probably you have found them already, too. The project Kentucky had their list of related changes to project articles done by the user who maintains the WatchlistBot. The code for the bot is available but that seems to be lots of effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WatchlistBot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mom2jandk#Bot

Maybe I find some time to check it out further tomorrow.

DoxTxob 19:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I asked the bot owner about it, I guess we'll see --AW 19:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, bot is done, here is the page it makes Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennessee/Articles. So should I replace the template with the one I made? --AW 15:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi AW, Wow, we can now get a list of all the tagged Tennessee articles and follow the changes made, that is an amazing feature we were missing. I love it! Great work! I vote for replacement because of the valuable extra features. PS - I made a minor edit on the template in your sandbox. Sorry for the intrusion. DoxTxob 17:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good, I'll replace it today. I was away for a few days --AW 15:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I say rock it Qmax 16:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

User Category

Currently there are two user categories for this WikiProject: Category:WikiProject Tennessee members & Category:WikiProject Tennessee participants. It is requested that you choose one or the other and request a merge of these categories. --NThurston 21:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna go ahead and say "participants", as that is the category that {{User WikiProject Tennessee}} uses and it has 10 pages, versus "members"'s 1. Doing it now. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Images of Tennessee

Today I went through all the links in the {{Tennessee}} infobox and added most of the images in the articles to the Category:Images of Tennessee.

Most ... Those few (about 10% of them) that were from the Wikipedia commons did not work. I could not add the images from the commons to the category, the category link would show up in red. So I left those out. I also did not add photos of people, however famous, or maps because they belong in other categories.

1 - What kind of images should be categorised as images of Tennessee and which should not? Are there Wikipedia standards already? And if not, what standards would be appropriate?

My vote: Yes for landscapes, buildings, streets, skylines, parks, other views. No for people, maps Unsure about satellite photos

2 - Should we put categorising images on the to-do list for the project? I guess people are going through the new articles anyway and in case they find appropriate pictures in the articles, they might as well be categorised in that same step of assessment.

My vote: Yes, put it on the to-do list

3 - Is it possible and would it make sense to categorise the Tennesse images in the Wikipedia commons as well?

My vote: I don't know how to but it would probably make sense

4 - Can it be automated by a bot to get a list of recently added images in articles about Tennessee that are tagged with the project banner? This is not helpful to work through the existing articles. But for the future it would be great to get a weekly updated list of images that have been added to TN related articles. So someone could go through that list of images, evaluate them compared to the standards and categorise them.

My vote: I don't know how to do it but it would sure be great to have it automated

Please put your vote or comment directly under the question signed with four tildes to avoid confusion in case there are many.

Take care

DoxTxob 23:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

On commons add it to Category:Tennessee. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 11:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Project Banner upgrade

Again using {{WikiProject Kentucky}} as an example (aka, blatantly stealing from it), I've upgraded our project banner {{WikiProject Tennessee}} to allow for assessments of both class and importance. Not everything has been fixed or created yet, and I'm hoping to find an automated method for building and tagging some of it, but at least all of the important categories are in place. This should, hopefully, make it easier to assess articles and keep track of what is what. At this time, all tagged Tennessee articles are in subcategories of Category:WikiProject Tennessee articles, in both the class and importance subcats. This also means that they have been removed from the top-level WP:TN categories, so things are easier to manage. There's still a lot to do...so start assessing! -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 00:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Chattanooga Task Force

Hey, there have been a few of us wikipedians talking about starting a Chattanooga History Project, but perhaps we could just join the Project Tennessee and start a Chattanooga History Task Force instead? Thoughts? Qmax 21:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd encourage those Wikipedians to simply join WikiProject Tennessee and create the task force. We are too few in numbers as it is, and perhaps by placing everything under the header of this WikiProject, it will encourage everyone to expand their field of contributions. Perhaps you could just create a subpage here to organize your work? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 08:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Huntster I have little experience working in WikiProjects. Any guidance or input you could provide would be most helpful. Should those of us involved in the Chattanooga Task Force discuss specific needs here? do we (can we?) create our own talk page? Do we create to-do lists underneath the Chattanooga Task Force heading on the main Tennessee Project page? Qmax 00:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've slightly changed the front page for the WikiProject. What I would suggest is that you establish your own page, perhaps at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennessee/Chattanooga, which will allow you to more fully discuss material, while still keeping it in line with the wikiproject as a whole. Once that page is established, just link to it from the main WikiProject page. This means you'll have your own talk page. As for the last thing you mention, I'd recommend having the bulk of material on the subpage for the task force, but include a summary of current activities and a small list of your major or current target articles in the subsection for Chattanooga on the main page. These are just suggestions, as I'm not a real expert at WikiProjects myself. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 03:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You're a beautiful human being! Qmax 03:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Shut down this task force and head on over to Wikipedia:WikiProject Chattanooga. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 11:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Chattanooga was integrated here specifically so that everyone would be able to more closely work together. We only have a little over 500 articles altogether in Tennessee tagged thus far...how many are going to fall specifically under a Chattanooga WikiProject? I just think a separate WikiProject would be bad for everyone at this stage. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 12:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

'Course not. Maybe around well, 100, articles - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 12:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Agree. We're just getting started on the Chattanooga Task Force, and it looks like we may have only a handful of active participants. I think making an entirely separate project would be a burdensome and unnecessary. Qmax 13:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Agree on that. It makes more sense to have the Chattanooga task force integrated in the TN project. Might be good if other cities want to follow. I think that if you have lots of small projects, it could be hard to accomplish tasks with just a handful of people. With more people in the bigger project with task forces you have more brains available and tasks can be shared more easily.

It is not that we have a milatary structure here, right? As I see it everyone can (and should) concentrate on the topic they like to work on.

Take care,

doxTxob 19:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Article Assessment

What does assessment do? --AW 16:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey! I have adapted the Kentucky Assessment page for the TN project. It explains which criteria are used to assess the quality and the importance of an article. It seems that all the links and features work already. The page also has a table showing the number of already assessed articles by quality and importance.

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tennessee/Assessment

There are few red links, they all are missing categories. Minor for the moment, but I left them so we can see what categories might need to be created, still. The only adaption I did so far is to change all "Kentucky" to "Tennessee".

For the moment this should work. And if someone wants to go on assessing articles we have a common basis for how to do it and which standards are to be applied. So if someone likes to assess, they should read the instructions first.

Take care, DoxTxob 17:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Great, the assessment works perfectly. I have just assessed the article about Brownsville, Tennessee to start with an easy one. I have added an explanation for the rating on the comments page of the article, that page is linked from the project banner as "Rating summary page". Is this how we want to do it?

Take care, DoxTxob 18:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks so much for taking care of that assessment page. I'll be taking care of those redlinked categories later on, hopefully tonight. I think it'll require a touch of code update, but I'm not certain. Either way, it'll add some flexibility being able to tag templates, dabs, and the like. I'm rather disappointed that there is no unified page to explain step-by-step the process of creating these pages and categories, and getting them all set up. Most data does exist (...mostly) but it's all spread out over the WP namespace. And those cats left that are red-linked? They aren't really documented anywhere. Arg.

Anyway, I've found that categories aren't always the easiest thing to work with, given how they branch and form. We have so many now, I'm gonna have to create a tree graph just to track them all, lol. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

That would be great. Today I start to assign mid-importance to all the TN counties on the list. According to the assessment standards mid importance is for articles that are notable on a local level within the state but not necessarily outside the state. That describes counties very well and should be done fairly quick.

However, I do not rate the quality of those articles at the moment.

Take care, doxTxob 19:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds great, though personally I would think that the political divisions of a state would rate as High rather than Mid, given that those boundaries are what defines the state, but I suppose I'm biased towards that since I care more for the technicals than the people and things that others might define as highly important ;)

While on this topic, I would propose the following simple, informal definitions for the Importance scale (as I consider the existing definitions somewhat fuzzy):

Low - Known or of importance to a local population.
Mid - Known or of importance to a statewide population.
High - Known or of importance to countrywide population.
Top - Known or of importance to a worldwide population.

Eh? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is basically the same definitions in shorter words, easier to understand.

Right again about the ratings, I guess it depends how you look at it. At first I checked in which category the guys from the Kentucky project put their counties, they have them rated as mid importance.

I rated some TN articles as top (constituton, history of TN, big cities, and natural features, hey, and even graceland, stuff of almost global dimensions). Other articles as high (smaller cities, artists, natural features)

Well, and the counties as mid important. "of importance for a statewide population" ... seems about right to me. Maybe there are a few counties that stand out and deserve a higher rating. by the way, i started with the counties because i found them relatively easy to rate. ;) there will be much more discussion when it comes to the quality ratings.

what i really like very much with this new system of ratings is that they are automatically categorized and everyone can have a look and change ratings. i attached an explanation on the comments page to all ratings i gave, comparing the topic to the standard, making the rating transparent. but a lot of things have different weights for different people.

it is very good that we have adopted the system, it seems to be very sophisticated compared to some other state's article ratings. some do not even rate, some only rate quality. ours is more complete and i am sure that sooner or later the best system will be adopted by other states. this system is good for not only the moment but also for the future.

do you have idea for other categories that could be easily rated all at once and all the same way? how about county seats (exception big cities). mid? low? most articles probably need individual attention.

take care,

doxTxob 21:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that all sounds quite good :) As for other categories, you are right that most articles will require individual attention, but county seats, I believe, can be rated as mid-importance due to their overall importance as centers of governance, commerce, and (usually) population. This is not always the case, such as with Dickson, Tennessee, which is by far the largest town in Dickson County, but Charlotte is the county seat. These types of situations might require either dual mid-importance, or even low importance for the county seat, depending on just how small the seat is. Outside of large-scale topics like cities and counties, I don't know of other groups which may be mass-tagged, except for perhaps large geological features? Even then, it's uncertain. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 21:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Agree. I rated all the county seats mid importnat (except major or big cities that have been rated higher already). Funny, about 25% of the TN county seats did not even have the TN project tag. I wonder how many TN related articles are still undiscovered?

doxTxob 00:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Status Quo

Counties = mid important

County seats = mid important

Town/villages/settlements = low importance (except bigger cities)

That's how I rated them on the importance scale, according to standards and comparable U.S. state projects. So that should not be too far off. Shortens the list, too. Most of the town or city articles are articles, by the way, that only consist of some geographic and demographic imformation generated by robots or so from U.S. census data. So almost all of them are correct in the low importance category.

I have marked the clear stuib articles as well as the clear start class articles, not many of both, though. Mostly in accordance with identical ratings that have been assigned by other projects in these dual-project cases.

Take care,

doxTxob 22:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Main project page

Okay, I've completely overhauled the main page for the project, taking what I perceived to be the best from several other projects. However, there's a number of sections that need fleshing out, primarily under the "Article status" section. If you have ideas for further sections, etc, please list them here. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 09:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks damn good. Only thing I'd mention is that the text in the project infobox in the top right is really small. Qmax 12:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I'd fix it but I can't figure out how --AW 15:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Er, I'll fix it, but I don't see how it is that small. My screen resolution is 1280x1024, and I can read everything fine. The old one took up so much space, it was awful. But whatever, I'll revert. :/ -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 15:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah sorry, didn't mean to make a whole bunch more work for you. Just a slightly bigger font would be perfect. Qmax 15:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, no, no big deal. The problem is, with the current format being used, you cannot control anything, other than "big font and full size" or "small font and narrow". I'll eventually reformat the /To do page to add some flexibility. I enjoy playing with templates ;) -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 15:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for blowing up the box so much... I have tried out different things, too. Either it is hard to read due to small letters or it gets too big and takes up the complete first screen when you go to the project page. Especially as the TN project is growing, it would be good to have a to-do box that can hold lots of information, but that can still be handled and read well.

How about making it collapsible? I have ssen that occasionally with project templates, when there is more than one, they are all in a box and is just shows the header of the box, then it has a [show] and [hide] option to eith show it or hide it. I have no idea how that is done, though.

Small at the side with larger letters would be great, too. Some other projects have it with small letters and with my resolution it is pretty hard to read. So larger letters are probably necessary.

Take care, doxTxob 17:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It looks good the way it is now --AW 18:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Include TN state routes in the project?

There is a bunch of articles about Tennessee state routes. Should they be tagged with the project tag? Some state projects seem to do it (Texas) others don't. I suppose all of the state routes are part of the WikiProject Roads already. But a lot of topics are covered by more than one project, like TN politicians, they are covered by both the TN project and the Biographies project.

My vote would be yes, include. Because of the comprehensiveness. I would put the TN project banner as the last banner on the list on the talk page (the roads project is the leading project) and follow the quality ratings of the leading project and rate the importance for the TN project as low.

Any suggestions?

Take care, doxTxob 22:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd absolutely tag them. They are an intrinsic part of the state, and they are cared for by TDOT. Agreed with the low importance, though. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 23:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

done doxTxob 22:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

State parks/National parks rating

State parks

I tagged all TN state parks (about 30) from the list of state parks as mid important. Accorting to the stadards the mid importance rating was for topics reasoably noticable in TN but not necessarily outside.

According to Wikipedia State park article: State park is a term used in the United States (...) for an area of land preserved on account of its natural beauty, historic interest, recreation, or other reason, and under the administration of the government of a U.S. state (...). State parks are protected area of IUCN category II.

A lot of the parks are historic sites. Unfortunately most of the articles are stub class.

doxTxob 22:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

National parks

Are there objections to tag the National Parks/Sites in TN with a high importance?

That would be every park or site on this list that is loated in TN, which are only a few: List_of_areas_in_the_National_Park_System_of_the_United_States

doxTxob 22:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. These should be reasonably well known to both those in Tennessee and those elsewhere in the Country.

Also, all WikiProject catagories and state-related templates/stub templates should now be both created and tagged, so as far as I know, the project should be fully functional. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 22:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Articles for project review

I have found a few good articles for a project review.

Four articles have been added here for importance assessment (three FA class and one GA class articles): Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tennessee/Assessment#Project_review

And a nominee for a GA (good article) here, currently the article is B class: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tennessee#Top-rated_articles

How can we discuss that best? Suggestion: Leave the list of requests on the project page, where it was added and mark the cases as done, when they are done. In case a discussion is needed, I would put that on the article_name/Comments page of the article itself, that's the page you get to when you click on Ratings summary page in the project banner. And on the project page I would link to the article_name/Comments page.

Or should we discuss it here and link to the discussion from the article? There needs to be a connection of some kind between the discussion and the article, I think. At least when it is about higher quality articles or articles of a higher importance for the project.

Does anyone have experience on how it's done best, most effectively and trasparent?

doxTxob 22:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Possibly useful map

I made a locator map for Tennessee. Similar ones are in use in infoboxes in state park articles (for example Warrior's Path State Park) or city articles (for example Elmwood, Louisiana). I hope this is useful, Ruhrfisch 04:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, we'll find some ways to use it. Good graphics are too hard to come by to let pass. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 05:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

TN State Routes and Rivers

I'm adding this under the state routes because rivers were the first and for centuries most important way of traversing distances through long territories.

We don't think much about it now, but most of the early major cities were founded on rivers, often on the same places where Native Americans had communities or trading centers.

I think editors should look and always identify the rivers on which cities or towns were located. They were integral to history and settlement of TN and other states, to the connection of cultures across rivers, and to business interests - for instance, those states whose rivers ran into the Ohio also had business links to New Orleans and the Mississippi. --Parkwells 21:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

At least in terms of categorisation, all bodies of water should be classified in one of the subcategories of Category:Landforms of Tennessee. Yes, they are historical routes, but for our purposes, bodies of water are simply treated as parts of nature. Now, in terms of noting which rivers run through or near which settlements, this information may be of best interest in individual town articles. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 22:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that information about rivers belongs with towns or city articles. I wasn't thinking about categorization but about referring to them in places where it can be understood what part they played in the development of the towns.--Parkwells 17:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)