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Contents 1 Geographic Info-Box Project. First State: Zacatecas 2 Help with Zhenli Ye Gon 3 Join? 4 Quality scale 5 Wikipedia project Toluca Mexico 6 Machine translations? 7 Proposed deletions (WP:PROD) 8 About Geographic Info-Box Project 9 New articles 10 Portal:U.S. Roads or North American Roads? 11 Potential Collaboration: Indian Slavery 12 Barnstar templates 13 Two articles on natural disasters need expansion 14 Mexican municipality template 15 Names with and without accent marks/name variants 16 Amecameca 17 El Salto, Jalisco 18 Toluca article 19 Emiliano Zapata 20 Mexican flag image 21 Mass tagging of Mesoamerican articles with WP:Mexico banners 22 Partial list of stubs/short articles created or rewritten by Adv A students 23 More stubs!!! (the last major batch, I promise!) 24 Four more stubs 25 Talk:Burrito 26 About the energy reform 27 Archiving messages and help with town/municipality pages 28 Student rewrites of certain town/municipality pages 29 Who's active, really? 30 Portal:Mexico 31 Mexican Peso 32 Willing to help 33 Barnstar 34 Cabalgata 35 Willing to help 36 How can I Join

Geographic Info-Box Project. First State: Zacatecas

Alixb and I are going to start a project of providing Info-Boxes for each municipality in Mexico. Alixb said that we should use the Template:Infobox Settlement to work on this project. To avoid overlapping, please enter the municipality that you are working on below.

Here is the page of all municipalities in Mexico, an idea of Richard: List of Mexican municipalities. It allows us to get an overview of how many municipalities we still need to work on. Thanks for the idea, Richard!

When you are done with a municipality, don't forget to document it by moving the line into the 'done' section.

Here is the link to the Municipalities of Zacatecas.

Currently working on:

• Municipality of Cuauhtémoc, Municipality of Chalchihuites, Municipality of El Plateado de Joaquín Amaro -- Alixb
• Moyahua de Estrada -- Hugo Estrada

Done:

• Municipality of Nochistlán de Mejía -- Hugo Estrada

• Municipality of Atolinga, Calera de Víctor Rosales, Municipality of Cañitas de Felipe Pescador, Municipality of Concepción del Oro -- Alixb

--Hugo Estrada 01:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Borbotones Team!! Contribution

Help with Zhenli Ye Gon

Please take a look at article Zhenli Ye Gon. A Spanish-language source was given as a reference that Zhenli Ye Gon was born in Hong Kong. But according to both Washington Post[1] and New York Times[2], he was born in Shanghai. I don't read Spanish, so can a Spanish-reading editor please verify that the Spanish-language source actually backs up the claim that he was born in Hong Kong? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I read the spanish article that was provided and in it does not even state that he was born in Hong Kong or as a matter of fact it dosent even state where he was born, all it provides is a date for when he was born. So I would go with your other sources, they are really more reliable and at least state it. Alixb 16:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response. I'll be editing the article to change his place of birth. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem, hope all goes will with the article. Alixb 17:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

""Contribution by Lirdoco"" ****Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Lirdoco****

According to an important newspaper of Mexico (EL Univeral), Zhenli Ye Gon was born in Shanghai. He moved to Mexico in 1990 and get the Mexican nationality in 2002. When he moved to Mexico he created an important company called Unimed, this company was specialized on the selling of pseudoefedrina. He begun to appear on the news because the government found an important amount of money in his house, the government suspected that he was a drug trafficker, this is because the pseudoefedrina is also used to made metanfetamina (drug). I hope you find this information useful, there were many other things you can find about Zhenli Ye Gon like his relations, his business, his hobbies etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lirdoco (talk • contribs) 18:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Join?

Can I? --Louis Guel 08:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure the more help the better, all you have to do is add your name to the list in the WikiProject Mexico page and start contributing. Alixb 16:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome aboard! Do you have any questions? What areas are you interested in working on? --Hugo Estrada 23:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Quality scale

I'm not a member of this wikiproject but I had a question. Why don't you have a Quality scale to rate articles?Bewareofdog 04:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)"

Cause for some reason we are not very well organized, I see that you have listed on your user page that you are working on the Mexico Portal page, well if you have time and wish to help us out and you can we would gladly appreciate your help. Alixb 18:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Borbotones Team!! Contribution

Wikipedia project Toluca Mexico

As my students will be coming in here in about 2 weeks... I was wondering if/how to update the list of things that need doing? One of their assignments is to find a page that screams "oh man, this needs help" and work on it (add info, revise info, update info, add citations, reorganize info...etc) they will print the page and propose the changes to me. (Im looking for informational editing changes, not technological ones). If you need to know more about my class project, see the navigation bar that is on my user page. It links to the pages associated with the projects my students are doing.

I see that the Mexico City Metro page, for example, has a template requesting work be done on it. Can we make a list here of pages like that? Thelmadatter 16:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Sorry it took me such a long time to get you back, but with the hurricane down here and all that stuff I got sidetracked. Well there is a page that might help out its the Mexico stub page Mexico stubs. Tell me if that helps you out or if you want something more specific. Thanks Alixb 18:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The stub page helps but what I am looking for are pages that need serious editing. The stubs are fine for when they need ideas for writing a full article but Im looking for articles they will want to update, reorganize, elaborate on ideas - things like that. Like what is requested for the Metro page. You are in the Yucatan? How did you fare? Thelmadatter 22:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

I would just like to make a small change to the main Mexico page in English in the Geography:Biodiversity section - Biosphere Reserves are not "not altered" by humans - they may have been extensively altered or still used for sustainable activities - eg. fishing, wood extraction. The are cited by CONANP (National Park Service) as being important for representative species and habitats, especially endangered and endemic species. I can't seem to edit the Mexico main article page. Thanks for any help with this. Alyssa

Alyssarosemartin 18:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Machine translations?

I recently read several articles on former political parties and politicians, and I'm under the impression a lot of them are machine translations of Spanish. I've corrected several of them; sometimes I had to leave out pieces that had become incomprehensible. I'd like to call on everybody here not to use machine translations and if some people can look out for them and try to correct them into proper English that would be nice as well. Mixcoatl 21:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Will look out for them, have not ran across them. Thanks for the heads up though. Alixb 23:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Borbotones Team!! Contribution

Answer Machine translations? Los Boogeys

Hi, we are in the wikiproject Mexico, so we are spanish native speakers. If you need some help just let us know. You can put a comment in our project page and we will help you. Also we think that machine translations are very bad, the translation sometimes doesnt have meaning. We as foreign speakers sometimes did machine translation because we havent the enough knowledge of the language. Now we can help to people with the same problem that try to make a aricule. Diego Callejas 01:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC) Team Page: Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Los Boogeys

Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

• 6 September - expires 11 September
  • 1999 in Mexico (PROD by User:TexasAndroid; only a single item listed presently, a date of death for a Mexican author.) --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

About Geographic Info-Box Project

I have a lot of doubts about this project. I dont understand the meaning of an info box clearly but i would like to help. The project started with municipalties of Zacatecas, but what if we want to contribute with information about municipalties from other states?. I would like to help as I have a lot of books and researches of municipalties of the State of México (Or at least i know where i can find them) but how can i join the project? ..Does anybody knows if that information can help? Thanks for your time. --Flea 1100962 20:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, well there isnt really a join page, its just kind of a project me and Hugo Estrada were doing, but if you would like to help, basically use this template for the infobox: Template:Infobox Settlement and look at the list of Municipalities in Mexico: List of Mexican municipalities. Any questions let me know. Alixb 17:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

New articles

The "bot" looking for new Mexico-related articles is working now; you can see the results here: User:AlexNewArtBot/MexicoSearchResult.--Appraiser 23:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Borbotones Team!! Contribution

Portal:U.S. Roads or North American Roads?

Please see the discussion at Portal talk:U.S. Roads. --NE2 23:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Borbotones Team!! Contribution

Potential Collaboration: Indian Slavery

I've nominated the very short article on Indian Slavery for the Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive. The article covers two continents and some 420 years of history, but lacks basic organization and a lot of relevant information. It deserves to be brought up to the caliber of other articles on Slavery, Slavery in the United States, and so on. You can vote for it at the improvement drive page. --Carwil 14:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar templates

Hi, there are efforts to delete several barnstar templates, I think you might be interested and add your opinion here [3]. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 08:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Two articles on natural disasters need expansion

I created 2007 Tabasco flood today. Please help expand the article. Thanks, Johntex\^talk 17:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, the October 2007 California wildfires article includes a brief mention of the fires in Northern Mexico, but this section needs expansion. Could someone please help add information to that part of the article? Best, Johntex\^talk 14:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I gave this to my students as an extra credit assignment. They will give me proposals tomorrow (Mon Nov 12) and will make their changes after that.Thelmadatter 15:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Mexican municipality template

On my talk page User talk:Thelmadatter, I proposed a template to use as a kind of "cheat sheet" to allow my students to contribute to Wikipedia in a timely way. Richardshusr, Wikipedia god that he is, has made my outline into a template at Template:Mexican_municipality. I would like the community to take a look at this template and tweak it so I can start using it with my student in the coming semester (January). We can also put in an infobox to it so all Mexican municipalities can have one without my students having to learn how to do it from scratch (just fill in the information). (I teach English as a foreign language, not computers). Any and all help is appreciated! Thelmadatter 00:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Names with and without accent marks/name variants

As my students were looking for topics to write for their assignments, we ran into a problem finding articles that truly didnt exist. This was problematic particularly with biographies as many Spanish names have accent marks and names of foreigners are changed slightly when written about in Spanish. An example of the first problem is Raúl Velasco and of the second Maxim Gorky known as Máximo Gorki in Spanish. In both these cases, my students thought they had found a topic only to be corrected by myself or another Wikipedian. Generally, we do not use accent marks in English and I do not understand why these names would have them in the English language Wikipedia. Most native speakers and non-Spanish-speaking non-native speakers would never think to include them. The alternatives that appear below as a search are not terribly obvious. For cases like Raúl Velasco, I recommend that the variation without the accent mark be the English language form and the form with the accent mark work as a redirect. In cases like Maxim Gorky, the solution is less obvious.Thelmadatter 16:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the solution is simply to create an empty article for the unaccented name and reditrect it to the accented version.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 22:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Amecameca

Hola soy miguel rodriguez y quería comunicar a la comunidad de wikiproject mexico que mi grupo y yo From The South todos de diferentes países (Peru, Ecuador and Venezuela) hemos escrito un articulo completo sobre wikipedia, sería interesante que lo leyeran. Thank you for your time, From The South —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmiguelrd (talk • contribs) 16:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

El Salto, Jalisco

Most or all of the pages that link to El Salto intend to take readers to an article about the municipality in Jalisco, not El Salto, a climbing site. It would be helpful if someone would create an El Salto, Jalisco stub and then correct the linking. ✤ JonHarder ^talk 13:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks like Aille is working on this. Thanks! ✤ JonHarder ^talk 03:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Toluca article

The article on Toluca is classified as a B category.... which I take to mean barely acceptable. But this was assigned to it before my students made improvements. I would like to know how to get it re-evaluated. I will also have my January students go over it for more improvements. Who knows? Maybe we can get this to something appoaching featurable. I would love suggestions. Thelmadatter (talk) 18:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Emiliano Zapata

There is currently a claim on the Afro-Mexican article that Zapata was Afro-Mexican. They don't cite this claim and until I saw it there I had never heard anyone even mention Afro-Mexican and Zapata in the same sentence let alone make the claim that he was one. Can anyone shed light on this? DeathRattle101 (talk) 05:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I have started looking into it. It seems the same claim is being made for José María Morelos - something that I am also not convinced is true. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 14:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Mexican flag image

Got a use for this? If other flag photos are needed, I can take a few. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Mass tagging of Mesoamerican articles with WP:Mexico banners

The recent bot-assisted mass tagging of (it would seem, all) articles that are related to Mesoamerica in some way (and that are identified in any case with WP:MESO banners) has resulted in a number of "false positives". That is to say, there are now quite a few articles tagged with WP:Mexico banners that are only distantly, or not at all, related to Mexico. For example, there are a fair few languages not spoken in Mexico that are now so tagged, articles on sites and historical personages (eg Uaxaclajuun Ub'aah K'awiil) from points in the Mesoamerican region that are well-outside of any connection with Mexican geography or history, etc.

I would suppose that there ought to be some further round of rationalisation to go through these newly added WP:Mexico banners and double-check that they really apply to the scope of WP:Mexico. Otherwise, the project scope is likely to become unmanageable and diluted. Is anyone planning to do such a clean-up exercise?

Not sure if the tagging efforts have completed yet. If there are still others from the Mesoamerican article set to be processed, perhaps the remaining list could be checked beforehand before processing, just to save double-handling further down the track....?--cjllw ʘ TALK 00:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Stumbled across this message by accident.... Assuming you're talking about my bot completing this task, the original request can be found here. As soon as the bot's done with the current category (which, will likely take a bit), I'll stop it for you, and give you the remaining list, if you'd like to check it over. While I'm not an expert on Mexico, the request seemed reasonable enough to me... Not complete yet, by the way, probably has a good 8 hours to go (I'm running it slowly), I believe there are some 300 categories left to process. SQL^{Query me!} 08:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

While we wait, here's the remaining cats: User:SQL/Sandbox SQL^{Query me!} 08:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

After a quick look through that list of the remaining cats, most would seem to be apt ones, and so will leave it up to John whether the bot can be reinitiated to complete the job. One that did stand out in a quick scan, as being unlikely, is Cat:Venetian language— of the few articles in that one, only Chipilo Venetian dialect would have relevance for Mexico. Cheers, --cjllw ʘ TALK 04:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I wish it would use the nested banner shell option though.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 21:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

AFAIK it does, I had to go in and do a few by hand, however. Wasn't editing some for some reason or another. SQL^{Query me!} 10:34, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Partial list of stubs/short articles created or rewritten by Adv A students

I know there are a lot here but many are very short stubs. If there are a lot of grammar mistakes, just tag it with a clean up tag. I did not require that they wikify the articles due to time. Final versions for grading purposes are due Tue Feb 5 so any help you can give would be appreciated.

Santa Clara del Cobre, San Felipe del Progreso, Villa de allende, Ixtapan del Oro, Zumpahuacán, San Juan del Río, Nautla, Santo_tomas_de_los_platanos, Tejupilco, Saint Vincent (island), Jilotepec, Tlacotepec, Palizada, Santa Gertrudis (This student wrote about the town in Oaxaca State but it redirects to Misión Santa Gertrudis in Baja California. The student´s stub is under the information about the mission), Álvaro Obregón (municipality), Zentla, Bernal, Querétaro, Temoaya, Acambay, Xpu Há, Chapa de Mota, Pasorapa, Huasca_de_Ocampo, Malinalco, Mexico State, Almoloya de Júarez, Polotitlan, Córdoba, Veracruz, Mexicaltzingo, Lagunillas, Michoacán, [Ixcateopan]], Benito Júarez, Quintana Roo, Jocotitlan, Ixtlahuaca, Temascaltepec, Teapa, Tabasco, Huandacareo, Zualcapan, México, Capulhuac, Xalatlaco, Boca del Cielo

I will add more here tomorrow. Thelmadatter (talk) 00:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

More stubs!!! (the last major batch, I promise!)

Malinalco, Valle, Tlalpujahua, Xonotla, Otumba, Aculco de Espinoza, Lerma, Tonatico, Luvianos, Tarimoro, Guanajuato, Tambopata - Candamo, Donato Guerra, Angangeo, Huixquilucan, Tlatlaya, Jiquipilco, Juchitepec

Again thanks! The students are taking your tagging their articles to heart. Thelmadatter (talk) 20:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Four more stubs

Otzoloapan, San Jose Villa de Allende, Temascalcingo, El Oro Thelmadatter (talk) 23:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Burrito

Input from active WikiProject Mexico members is requested on the Burrito discussion page, particularly in the topic Talk:Burrito#Breakfast_Burrito. Thanks. —Viriditas | Talk 07:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC) ==Hi I am new in wikipedia but I would like to join the project Mexico I would be glad if you add me to the list of participantsGuillermo7777 (talk) 01:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

About the energy reform

It would be honorable that a political party no matter who would defend the national affairs, but here is not the case, is only a political behavior to be seen well by the radicals, they are not defending Mexicans by doing that they are trying to sell a story and make controversy so they can stay on the political actionGuillermo7777 (talk) 01:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, when you're answering to a certain topic put your reply inside of the == ==, I don't wanna move it so you can see my reply but just put it right at the end, before the next "==". Also, I noticed you signed your name all the way at the top. I've removed it, if you want to add yourself as a member of wikiproject mexico, you have to do it on it's page, not on the talk page and on the appropriate section. If you have any more questions contact me at my talk page, have fun!! -Solid Reign (talk) 01:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Archiving messages and help with town/municipality pages

I am an English teacher in Mexico who is trying to work on pages with my students to better coverage of Mexican geography. I had students choose a town and write about it, but we have run into some problems. One of most confusing being the (lack of) distinction between "town/city" and "municipality" (municipio). There is lack of standardization as to how to name the articles to make the distinction clear.. (see the discussion between User:Aille and myself on my talk page. As these articles are sorely lacking, I would like to make this an ongoing project with my Adv A classes. Any help would be appreciated. By the way, the Municipalities of Querétaro seem to be done well... would like to make the other states just as good.

I also started an archive page for this talk page.... Thelmadatter (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Student rewrites of certain town/municipality pages

I am having students rewrite the worst and/or the most confusing of the town/municipality pages

The assigned work is not linked and the pages that currently appear in Wikipedia are linked

Chapa de Mota (municipality), Chapa de Mota(town) (pages deleted)
Otzoloapan (town),Otzoloapan (municipality),Otzoloapan
Otumba (municipality),Otumba (town), Otumba (municipality)
Lagunillas (municipality), Lagunillas (town),Lagunillas (municipality)
Quiroga (town) Quiroga (municipality), Quiroga, Michoacán
Almoloya de Juàrez (municipality),Almoloya de Juàrez (town),Almoloya de Juárez and Almoloya de Juárez (municipality)
Ixtapan del Oro (town),Ixtapan del Oro (municipality)Ixtapan del Oro
San Felipe del Progreso (municipality), San Felipe del Progreso (town) San Felipe del Progreso
Santo Tomàs de los Plàtanos (municipality), Santo Tomás de los Plátanos (town), Santo Tomás, Mexico State and Santo Tomás de los Plátanos
Temoaya (town) Temoaya and Temoaya (municipality)

I would really like to standardize the naming of these articles.

I am having them rewrite these articles a little at a time, with me checking them each step of the way before we do any more damage in Wikipedia! However, I would like to set up the pages so that students know exactly where to put their information when the time comes. So far I have had my students write tables of information and "stubs" and the quality of the writing is MUCHO MEJOR (a lot better!) However, I would like some suggestions, help in how to set up these pages and get students to put in their information so that we have good results... Anyone? Thelmadatter (talk) 14:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Who's active, really?

Im a teacher of advanced English here in Toluca Mexico. I have my students work in varying degrees with Wikipedia (depending on the class). One requirement is to work with other Wikipedians so I was wonder which of all those participants on the main page really do participate. That page hasnt been edited well in so long (Ive seen the same suggestions for participation since last July) that I dont trust that list. Who would be interested in working with us? I have a small group of teachers here taking a class with me that heavily works with Wikipedia. They would certainly appreciate your input. Thelmadatter (talk) 17:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'm active and I edit Mexico related articles, and sometimes add my additions to the WP. I try to work mostly on culture related articles, and some human rights articles, for example Danza de los Viejitos, Albur, Danza de los Voladores de Papantla, Kamel Nacif, Aguas Blancas massacre and some others. I've been around in wikipedia for about four years and am familiar with the rules, etc. If you want to bring back to life the wikiproject mexico section or need anything let me know and I'll be glad to help. -Solid Reign (talk) 18:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Mexico

I have nominated the portal at featured portal candidates please vote.Bewareofdog 02:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Mexican Peso

Does anyone have any current Mexican banknotes they can upload to Wikimedia Commons and realese them under a free licence ? The Mexican Peso article needs some images.Bewareofdog 01:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

As in scanning them and putting them up? If thats the case I'm game. Alixb (talk) 00:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Willing to help

Hi people, I think I can help with this proyect, bilingual and Im living in both Countries, to be exactly in Tamaulipas & Texas ; anything I could help please tell --Vik.sanchez (talk) 16:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Does this project have a barnstar ? Bewareofdog 05:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Cabalgata

Cavalcade could use some photos of cabalgatas in Mexico. Also, more content and sources. --Una Smith (talk) 23:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Willing to help

I would like to help contribute to food of mexico aswell as salsa variants, also mexican inspired dishes. Sickero (talk) 03:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

How can I Join

? Sickero (talk) 03:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Just sign your name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mexico#Participants Bewareofdog 01:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)