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[edit] Chris Young and Bob Meusel FAC

You may want to come by and comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Chris Young (pitcher).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I also have a nice baseball FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bob Meusel. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 01:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Bob Meusel was promoted to FA status on September 9. Caknuck 18:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terminology

In baseball, there are certain qualifying numbers that are significant. There are the number of at bats or innings one needs to accumulate to qualify for Rookie of the Year. There is another set of numbers (I believe 162 innings and 510 plate appearances) needed to qualify for annual statistical leadership. What is the number of career games, at bats, plate appearances, innings necessary to qualify for career statistical leadership? I am trying to clean up the WP:LEAD at Hector Lopez and need to correctly state the fact.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 02:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it is plate appearances, not at bats, and the number is 502 (the multiple of 3.1 times 162). Also, there is an exception that is of importance -- if a player is short, you can add fictious at bats to hit the necessary number, and if he is still league leader he wins the championship.--Epeefleche 02:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I knew this applied to batting average; I knew that if a player needed X amount of at bats to qualify for a batting title, then you can add X many hitless at bats to his stats to see if he would qualify. Granted, this wouldn't hurt his stats at all; his batting average wouldn't drop because of the hitless at bats, but it would just prove if a player would qualify if he had enough chances or not. Now I don't know if that applies only to batting average or for statistics like OBP, SLG, or OPS. Ksy92003(talk) 03:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
It applies to OBP and SLG, and to any other batting statistic that might require a minimum number of plate appearances, though OPS is not an official statistic. -- Couillaud 04:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment I think you are misinterpretting my question. Suppose, a player wants to qualify for the career batting average, slugging percentage, on base percentage, home runs per at bat leadership. How many career plate appearances, at bats, or games does one need? Similarly, if one wants to qualify for the career Earne run average leadership, how many career innings or games does one need?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 07:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I know there is a number of seasons required to qualify for a pension, which is also a significant number in determining who had a career and who played in the majors. I guess that number is also relevant here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 07:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't read the original question, but merely followed up on the last comment.
The answer is that there is no official minimum qualification for lifetime lists.
It's up to the discretion of the individual list maker. Sometimes it's stated as a minimum of (for example) 10 seasons or 4,000 at bats, but minimums vary widely. Baseball-Reference.com considers its minimums to be 3,000 PA, 1,000 IP, and 100 decisions for applicable categories.
There are a number of hitters who missed the 4,000 AB cutoff but make the 3,000 AB requirement (Lefty O'Doul and Dave Orr, e.g.), and if you don't see them on the list, then it has a higher cutoff. I have seen some lists that required 5,000 AB PLUS 1,500 games PLUS 10 seasons minimum, but most lists are less restrictive. And again, there is no such thing as officially sanctioned minimum requirements.
Hope this helps clear things up a bit.
--- Couillaud 13:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
O.K. so the lists vary. Let's go by the list of Major League Baseball. What is required by MLB.com to qualify for career averages? Next most important as a wikipedian is what would qualify for baseball-reference.com? Then, what qualifies for a MLB pension?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colorized stats

User:StormXor and I worked together to come up with a pretty good colorization scheme in the presence of heavy editorial activity in the weeks immediately after 756 at Barry Bonds. Now, there is a move afoot to uncolorize Bonds. Opinions are needed at Talk:Barry_Bonds#stats_section_use_of_color. We are debating the use of colors in stats tables with respect to WP:WAI section 4 and the current Barry Bonds page versus the former color scheme. The debate will probably shape color scheme usage throughout baseball bio article stat sections so be thoughtful. You may want to look at other pages that have colorized stat sections such as Roger Clemens, Good article Hector Lopez, and Good article Chris Young (pitcher). Keep in mind what Bonds before colorization looked like. If you know any other editors who you think may have strong opinions one way or another please ask them to comment as well.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help at John Smoltz

User:Street20, who has done good work on the MLB roster templates, keeps making incorrect edits at John Smoltz. He keeps changing Smoltz years with Atlanta in the infobox from "1988-present" (correct) to "1988-1999, 2001-present" because Smoltz was injured in 2000. Obviously, he was still with the organization as much as ever so there should be no break in the years. Can anyone help me explain to Street20 that his edit is wrong?►Chris Nelson 02:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible connection to Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography

I note that there are currently several subprojects which function as subprojects of more than one "parent" project. This project would seem, at least to me, to be one such project. I was wondering if you might want to consider "formalizing" a relationship with the Biography Project. It might help get more editors involved in these articles. Also, at least potentially, I might be able to adjust the biography banner to include separate assessments for this group. If any of you have any opinions one way or another, please feel free to indicate them below. John Carter 13:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor League Players

Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Additional criteria#Current notability guidelines state that anyone who plays in a fully professional league is notable. While I had previously thought that only Major League Players had inherent notability, it would now seem that minor league players do as well. (Also see this discussion). Any thoughts? CitiCat ♫ 17:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed a number of times, and no real concensus reached (I think in part because there is no agreement on what is a "fully professional league"). From recent AfD discussions, it seems like AAA is considered notable, while single-A is not. (Many single-A players hold down other jobs, or are supported by a spouse or family. League minimum is $1050 a month, last I checked, for employment that is seasonal.) I haven't seen an AfD recently on a AA player, so no idea there.--Fabrictramp (talk) 18:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Baseball articles needing infoboxes

I have created this category to assist us in identifying articles that are missing the necessary infoboxes. Please tag articles with the category when you come across them. Better yet, dig through the category and add infoboxes to the articles. Caknuck (talk) 23:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I've identified at least 3400 player articles that need this. I've set up a list in AWB, and I'll plod through it as I get time. (I used the assumption that any player article that doesn't have Template:Infobox MLB player or Template:Infobox MLB retired needs an infobox, which has been true so far.) This has had the added benefit of finding a number of articles that need Template:WikiProject Baseball. --Fabrictramp (talk) 18:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I went with the same assumption. I'm tagging them as I find them, but I'm moving more slowly, as I'm doing other gnomish work on the articles at the same time. Caknuck (talk) 21:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Player naming standards

A while back we hashed out some naming standards that seemed to have consensus, but they seem to have disappeared. Unfortunately, without naming standards for player articles, we're getting some chaos out there. This article is on its third name, for example. Anyone know the status of the naming standards?--Fabrictramp (talk) 20:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

An old proposal can be found here. It would be good to establish a standard. BRMo (talk) 01:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
My effort lost its momentum a while back. Because it's come up recently, we can reexamine it and push for formal adoption. Any comments? Caknuck (talk) 06:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I've just reread it, and it's as good as I remember.--Fabrictramp (talk) 16:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] "How to help" section

I have completely revamped the "How to help" section on the Task Force page. Your thoughts/comments/opinions/revisions are appreciated. Caknuck (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. Do we want to add article improvement/expansion to the "how to help" section? --Fabrictramp (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be good to have a general guide on how to write player articles. See User:Mattingly23/Guide to Writing Baseball Player Articles, which I wrote more than a year ago. Obviously some of what I wrote is out of date and is incomplete, but I think a page such as this would be useful for people who want to easily find out what standard items should be on a player's page. Also, I felt that it should be aimed at people who are new to editing Wikipedia, so it should be very explicit as to what needs to be done and offer links to other pages for more information. Anyone else think this would be a good idea for the players task force? We could use what I wrote as a starting point and expand upon it. - Mattingly23 (talk) 20:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, some of it is out of date (categories, for example, should use the {{DEFAULTSORT:}} magic word or {{BD}} template). But it's a good start and would be good to have a link to it in the how to help section. --Fabrictramp (talk) 21:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Should I create a new page for it in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Baseball instead of linking to the page in my profile? - Mattingly23 (talk) 21:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Sure.--Fabrictramp (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I've created the page here. If everyone could review it and make changes where necessary (and fill in missing info) that would be great. I've already updated some of the information, and I'll continue to work on it as time permits. When someone thinks it's up to standards, they can link to it from the task force page. - Mattingly23 (talk) 01:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox generator

I made a web page that will generate a partially completed infobox based off of a player's baseball reference page. Try it out here. Right now it only works on retired players. You just need to give it the baseball reference link, the player's position, and whether or not they are deceased. It will then pull the information from the players br page and present it as a partially filled infobox. You still need to fill in the player's teams (debut, final, and career), their highlights, and their stats. Based on their position, it will fill in stat labels (for a pitcher: win-loss, era, strikeouts, everyone else: batting average, home runs, rbi) although obviously you can change this to whatever you want.

If you try it on a player (remember right now they must be retired) and it doesn't work, let me know. If BR changes the formatting of the page, things could get messed up. Also, the site is on a free web host, so there's no guarantee that it will remain up. I've used it to generate a few already, and it definitely speeds things up. Let me know if you have any suggestions for improvements. - Mattingly23 (talk) 01:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roric Harrison

Found his article in the uncategorized pages. Roric Harrison has an important piece of trivia associated with him (last pitcher to homer in AL before advent of DH rule in 1972). I'd like some assistance to be able to have that fact be in the Did You Know section on the Main Page. DandyDan2007 (talk) 04:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)