Talk:Barry Bonds

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	Barry Bonds was a nominee for Everyday life good article, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones Date Process Result February 16, 2008 Good article nominee Not listed March 25, 2008 Good article nominee Not listed May 19, 2008 Good article nominee Not listed May 27, 2008 Peer review Reviewed Current Status: Former good article nominee

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Contents 1 GA Fail (March 2008) 2 TV movie 3 Lead paragraph 4 GA Review

[edit] GA Fail (March 2008)

• "In 1986, Bonds finished 6th in Rookie of the Year voting, hitting 16 home runs and stealing 36 bases. He hit 25 home runs in his second season, along with 32 stolen bases and 59 RBIs. Bonds improved in 1988, hitting .283 with 24 home runs. Bonds started off his 1989 campaign well, but tapered off quickly, finishing with 19 homers and 58 RBIs." - Source?Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
• The vast majority of the "San Francisco Giants (1993–2007)" section needs a lot more sources.Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• "2005 season" part needs a lot more sources.Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• The vast majority of the "2006 season" part needs more sourcing.Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• "2007 season" part looks OK with sources, but this part needs source: "Bonds concluded the 2007 season with a .276 batting average, 28 home runs, and 66 RBIs in 126 games and 340 at bats. At the age of 43, he led both leagues in walks with 132."Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 12:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
• Need source for the last part of the "Players' Union" section.
  • Could not find source, but hid text in comments.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• "Bonds on Bonds" needs sourcing and a little expansion.Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• "Personal life" needs expanding to at least a decent paragraph. Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 23:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• Where do all the facts from the "Career Distinction" section come from? Needs sourcing.
• We don't need that many links in the "See also" part IMO.
  • I have removed the only two that don't have articles. I think everyone on any of the remaining lists should have it linked in their see also section.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm failing the article, as finding sources for some of these may take quite a bit of time. Re-nominate at WP:GAN when the problems have been rectified. Regards, D.M.N. (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TV movie

I don't think I'm crazy. I distinctively remember, as a kid, Barry Bonds playing a lawyer in a TV movie years ago, I think when he was playing for Pittsburgh. But I haven't been able to find anything. Am I going crazy? Can anyone help me out here? --JerryLewisOverdrive (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lead paragraph

There's so much information about this guy, so much stuff he's done and "hasn't" done...and this article starts with who he's related to?! Grsz^talk 21:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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I am sad to say that I have failed the article for a variety reasons.

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Here are a few examples of poor prose: "...Bonds reached out and flipped a Chris Young (of the San Diego Padres) pitch just over the wall to the left of straightaway center field for career home run 735." Flipped? "On November 15, 2007, Bonds was indicted." Indicted for what? "Bonds finished with 19 homers and 58 RBIs, but he finished 2nd in NL with 14 outfield assists." Why but? These are not the only examples. An editor or two needs to run through the article and fix the prose problems.

   Examples above fixed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

   B. MoS compliance:

   While the article is too long, the WP:LEAD is too short. In the 2006 season section, there are images at the same height, which crunches the text down.

   Jordan - 37.2 KB, 6493 words. Gretzky - 36.4 KB and 6332 words. Bonds which is deeemed too long 30.2 KB and 5350 words.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

   I have started beefing up the WP:LEAD. It will get better.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

   Images have been fixed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   There are a couple of unsourced statements in the 2007 season subsection, but overall the sourcing isn't too bad.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

   See above in 2a.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

   The 2006 season and 2007 season subsections are too large. They need to have unnecessary details removed such that only relevant information is left. For instance, in the 2007 season subsection, we don't need a game-by-game, homer-by-homer breakdown of Bonds' chase for the home run record.

   I will attempt to pare it down, but I think these were very important seasons in need of in-depth accounting.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   Watch out for stuff like this: "Upon his return, Bonds mostly continued his pre-injury dominance at the plate, hitting home runs in four consecutive games from September 18, 2005 to September 21, 2005 and finishing with five homers in only 14 games." That's poor prose, and the use of the word "dominance" is POV.

   fixed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   Other than petty vandalism, the article is stable.

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   The first image in the article is not tagged and does not have a fair-use rationale.

   I swapped it out for a properly licensed image.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This is the third time in just over three months that this article has failed a GA review. I would like to suggest that this article be extensively improved before it is brought back to WP:GAC. Good luck with the improvements! Ice Cold Beer (talk) 05:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

   Third time in three months - yes. Same article - no. Look at each version to see how much work was done between each.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)