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[edit] Armenian ethnicity in lead sections

Discussion at Talk:Alan Hovhaness has indicated that the ethnicity of Armenian and Armenian-Americans is being added or deleted from the lead sections of the subjects articles against policy found at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Opening paragraph (WP:MOSBIO):

  • "Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability."

Ethnicity has been added to lead sections without demonstration of relevance, indicating either a pro-Armenian agenda or an unfamiliarity with policy and pracice. Worse yet, ethnicity has been removed from articles entirely, not simply moved from the lead to the body of the article, indicating an anti-Armenian agenda. Either way the quality of articles covering topics related to Armenia need improvement. Hyacinth (talk) 01:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Mention of Armenian ancestry of diaspora Armenians (for individuals born outside Armenia) in the first sentence or paragraph, I believe, would hinge on the importance of that heritage to that individuals. For Alan Hovhaness, it's central to his life's work, whereas for Eric Bogosian it's not. For Atom Egoyan, it's somewhere in between. This should be evaluated by editors on a case-by-case basis, not on an "enforcer" basis as has been going on with the blanket removals (and refusal by such "enforcers" to consider discussion from editors skilled in the respective fields of those articles). Badagnani (talk) 01:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what ethnicity we are talking about, the guideline applies... in general. The quote above is not a policy, which would be binding, but a simply a guideline - there are always reasons for exceptions! A guideline is not written in stone, so it is up to the, hopefully good, judgement of the individual editor. I think you will always have people inserting it for their own reasons and other people deleting for being "against the rules". A problem like this can only be dealt with on a case-to-case basis, i.e. discussion with the revising editor and, if that doesn't work, arbitration. TINYMARK 08:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I generally add the script if the person is notable to be an Armenian, and not just Armenian. For example Mark Geragos is notable Armenian, his very involved in the Armenian community, one of his clients is the family of Nataline Sarkisyan. On the other hand Michael Vartan is notable but not for having Armenian roots. Having Armenian script on his article would clearly be inappropriate and POV. What I'm trying to say is that the script should be used if the person him/her self is open about his/her Armenian ethnicity. VartanM (talk) 00:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I have no problem with removal of the nationality from the lead. I do have a problem with completely removing it. VartanM (talk) 00:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian script

The addition of Armenian script appears to be a seperate issue. Hyacinth (talk) 00:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Third and forth generation Armenians who have lost all ties with Armenia and Armenian nationality and all that it remains is the last name, usually don't warrant having the Armenain script. VartanM (talk) 00:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Justin McCarthy

The article Justin McCarthy (American historian) is in a situation of more-or-less OR and POV. I have tagged it, but I do not know anything about him in particular, and very little about Armenian and Turkish history. So maybe somebody more knowledgeable about it might want to have a look. Happy editing, Goochelaar (talk) 23:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Justin McCarthy as a Wikipedia Source

There are two articles here in which Justin A. McCarthy is used as a source for information. He doesn't seem like a reliable or unbiased source to me. My arguement is that someone who denies something as undisputable as the Armenian Genocide is no longer reliable. Maybe someone here with more knowlege about him can argue that his writings aren't suitable to be used as sole sources for controversial information.

These are the articles I have seen him references to:

Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) Turks in Bulgaria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.66.205 (talk) 10:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian presidential election, 2008

Hi everyone, I'm sure you all are aware of the uprising in Armenia. Please help cover this important historic event by contributing to the Armenian presidential election, 2008 as well as WikiNews. (There is still no article on WikiNews on this unprecedented now 11-day peaceful protest.) As you know, the government has a virtual information blockade in the country. No government TV station or newspaper is covering the uprising. It is now up to volunteers and the people to help cover the event (since corporate media also likes to pick up and parrot what the government has to say...).

Here are a set of reliable and reputable sources:
Armenia Liberty (Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty) -- now much of the Armenian people's chosen news source
A1+
More sources
Aravot (opposition)
[1] (opposition)

Good day! Serouj (talk) 06:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian mail

Postage stamps and postal history of Armenia has been improved recently but could do with some more, actually lots more, sourced detail. Does anyone have sources that I, or others, can use to add further information to make it more comprehensive? TIA ww2censor (talk) 04:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is pretty weak - I see lots of errors. But I don't have sources which I can cite, I have only knowledge. Meowy 20:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Film editors wanted

WikiProject Films has solicited interest in creating a Soviet/CIS cinema task force. We'd like to cordially welcome all regular editors of these articles to voice their interest in starting this task force so as to see if there is sufficient support. Many thanks! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 02:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roustam Raza

Friends, someone (notebly the user with nickname Vanbok, either logged or anonimously) is constantly removing the words and sentences concerning the Armenian origin of Roustam Raza, changing it with Georgian ones. Meanwhile, the Armenian origin of Rustam is well proved/referenced in the article. So please add this page on your watchlist and watch for vandalism. Thanks Armatura (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Project categories

I have nominated several of this project's maintenance categories for renaming (a minor change). The discussion is located here and comments are welcome. –Black Falcon (Talk) 03:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested

Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 18:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Armenian-Russians

This list has been vandalized so often in the past (usually by IPs in Georgia) that it's now impossible to tell what is real and what isn't. I took the liberty to cut everything that wasn't wiki-linked out. Rather drastic, I know, but the only way I can make sure the people on the list actually exist. See [2] for my explanation and a link to a steady, absolutely clean version.  Channel ®   22:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)