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[edit] Awesome!

Good going, folks. It is a big task, but an ideal way to focus attention on Armenian related articles and subjects that are not yet well developed. --RaffiKojian 01:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing you would like to be a participant, so I took the liberty of adding your name to the list.--Moosh88 02:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adopt an Article

Please decide to "adopt an article", this basically means that you will be researching and adding the majority of the info to your adopted article.--Moosh88 02:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cool

Hi! This is a great idea, will add templates. I will start working on an article on the Armenian kingdom of Gardaman-Parisos in a little bit. I gues this would be my article ...

Hetoum

I added you to the list of Participants, Hetoum. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me on my talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moosh88 --Moosh88 04:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translations

Hello. I have a suggestion four you. What about add to task table a string "Translation" and write there articles from other wikis to translate into english? For exemple, there are some quite a good articles about cities and rivers of Armenia in russian wiki such as ru:Иджеван, ru:Арпа (река), ru:Агарак... I know that some users of this project understand russian. I want to ask you if you are interested in this idea? --FHen(ru) 18:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. What you propose should be incorporated under To be created.--Eupator 19:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not shure if such incorporation is the best way. I suggest to translate also a articles, that have already been created, such as Ijevan (ru:Иджеван), Hrazdan (ru:Раздан (река)). May be it will be better to create a separate table like this--FHen(ru) 19:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
English Russian Deutsch
Cities and towns
Ijevan ru:Иджеван ...
Agarak ru:Агарак ...
Stepanavan ru:Степанаван ...
Goris ru:Горис ...
Meghri ru:Мегри ...
Rivers
Hrazdan River ru:Раздан(река) ...
Voghdji ru:Вохчи(река) ...
Vorotan ru:Воротан(река) ...
Aghstev ru:Агстев(река) ...
Arpa (river) ru:Арпа(река) ...
Diaspora
Armenians in Europe ... de:Armenier in Europa
Yes you're right; however, we should only include articles that are signifcantly better or longer than their English counterparts (if one exists). For example Zvartnots should not be included.--Eupator 19:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I tryed to move this table to project page, but had a problem: links to iwikis are seen only on talk pages. --FHen(ru) 16:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

prefix it with a colon like so: [[:ru:foobar]] ru:foobar

[edit] Alphabet

I've redone the alphabet table in Armenian_alphabet. An Armenian speaker should add in the IPA-values, as I meself don't speak a word Armenian. The German and Italian pages might help there (see interwikilinks on the Armenian alphabet page). ActiveSelective 06:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion-sorting page

Hello,

I just wanted to let you know that Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting is being provisionally reactivated, and that you can find current deletion debates related to Armenia at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Armenia. At this writing, there's only one debate listed; if you know of others, please feel free to add them. -- Visviva 10:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenians in Latin America

I can write about the argentino-armenian relations, i know we are so far from homelands, but the armenian spirit still remains!

I know I have some family in Argentina. We went anywhere we could find safety in after the Genocide. -- Augustgrahl 03:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian in Wikipedia

A guideline on whether or not to italicize Armenian (and all scripts other than Latin) is being debated at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Italics in Cyrillic and Greek characters. - - Evv 17:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone can contribute?

Not according to Eupator and Clevlander, they teamed up to delete my name, I have made many positive contributions to this project and do not appreciate being deleted.--Caligvla 03:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, this deserves an explanation. -- Augustgrahl 03:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Caligvla's contributions have not been positive for Wikipedia. Instead, they have been offensive towards Armenians. -- Clevelander 11:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
True, his contributions to the Armenia article are questionable and his userpage emphatically states that he will never travel to Armenia. -- Augustgrahl 15:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Your motives are dubious when your userpage clearly states contempt for Armenia. It would seem that you are using Wikipedia to push a personal and potentially offensive agenda, which is contrary to the spirit of the encyclopedia. Your past edits have been disruptive, rather than constructive, to the aims of Wikiproject Armenia. -- Augustgrahl 14:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Does that change the fact that "Participation in WikiProject Armenia is not limited to anyone"?

I mean no ill will, so please assume good intent, I am trying to help wiki reach academic standards.--Caligvla 07:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

So can I please be added back in? thanks...--Caligvla 05:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

No, you are not welcome here.--Eupator 12:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poll on Armenian flag and coat of arms

I was wondering if we should change the colors of the Armenian flag and CoA. See below for arguments. -- Clevelander 19:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The flag

The colors of the Armenian flag as presently featured on Wikipedia are directly reflected by those that appear on the Armenian government, Flags of the World, and Armenica websites. However, on the CIA World Factbook, Vector Images, and FIFA websites, the colors appear more faded. Vote change to change the flag to the CIA/Vector/FIFA colors or vote keep to keep the colors as they are.

  • Keep -- Clevelander 19:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep--Eupator 19:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Change - The problem came up when I was trying to state what the HTML codes for the colors are, in the Flag of Armenia article. I noticed that in every site the colors look different. Let's take blue color, for example, Wikipedia's flag shows #0000AA, Gov't's flag shows #0000D6, FOTW shows #000099, CIA shows #3B5AA3. However, I remember people were saying in Armenia that the colors on the flag are the colors Martiros Saryan loved to use, which were faded. So the colors that CIA or FIFA uses look more Saryan-like than the one at Wikipedia. I really believe that the colors on this image look as close to Saryan's colors as possible.--Crzycheetah 19:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at the flag at Armenian embassy in Washington DC. The blue and orange look like they are worn out, but they are the real colors of the Republic of Armenia.--Crzycheetah 22:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep -- Fedayee 20:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep -- Augustgrahl 20:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • No Preference at this Time It should be possible to find out if the nation assigned Universal Color Codes to the national colors. If so, then it's a simple, indiusputable matter to pick the correct color. Regardless, this is a de minimus issue. - Gregkar 19:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The coat of arms

The Armenian coat of arms as presently featured on Wikipedia comes from Vector Images. This same version is used on Armenica's website. However, the coat of arms as featured on the Armenian government's website shows a slightly different color pattern with the red and blue parts of the shield switched. Vote change to change the CoA to reflect the version from the Armenian government's website or vote keep to keep the CoA as it stands.

  • Change -- Clevelander 19:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep--Eupator 19:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Change - The Gov't website states The law "On the State Coat of Arms of the Republic of Armenia":
The colors of the kingdoms of the historical Armenia are as follows: from top to left - red, from top to right - blue, from bottom to left - blue, from bottom to right - red, with orange-painted Mount Ararat positioned in the center on a shield."

I think we need to have the right Coat of Arms, not the one that looks nicer.--Crzycheetah 20:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep -- Fedayee 20:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Change - and add a redesign to the todo list... --RaffiKojian 08:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • No Preference at this Time - Gregkar 18:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I decided that it should be changed once and for all. I think this'll work better. -- Clevelander 18:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Web Link Hub & Spokes

Greetings Ladies & Gentlemen! Is there a standard box of text we can attach to other pages linking back to Project Armenia? I mean something along the lines of what has been done in other project: "This article is part of the Wiki Project Armenia...." If not, should we create it?

Great job so far! Keep up the good work!

Gregkar 22:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

It already exists. See the talk pages of the articles. Did you miss this in the project page:Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia#Project notice ?--Eupator 00:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outreach Effort

I think we would benefit from reaching out to other branches of the academic and Armenian community instead of hoping they stumble upon us by accident and decide to contribute (like in my case). I propose reaching out to Armenians because they will be highly motivated, having a personal interest in the project. I suggest reaching out to the academic community so that we can benefit from a rigourous, academic level peer review of our work and to benefit from HIGHLY knowledgable contributors and scholars. Objectivity, credibility, and unimpeachability are important objective to attain. I have already spread a few bread crumbs around at the Myspace forums. Gregkar 19:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds fishy. I would't have thought a thing, but MySpace?--Eupator 20:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


Fishy? Outreach cannot hurt or am I missing the obvious? Why Myspace? Only because it happens to be a central location for English speaking people of Armenian descent. A good many of the people there are students at CSUN, UCLA, UCSB, UCSD, and UCR. I don't suggest that as the exclusive recruiting ground, only as one of potentially hundreds. Gregkar 21:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


I'm not sure if Myspace is the best recruiting ground for potential motivated editors. -- Augustgrahl 20:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


I concur. Read my reply to Eupator supra. Myspace is not necessarily the happy hunting ground for academics, but there are a good many Armenian-Americans students there. It doesn't have to be perfect. It only has to be progress. There are enough people already ensconced here who can do clean up and editorial work if we have a good crew of workers who can generate the raw work product in the first place. And finally, it couldn't hurt to do some soft advertisement of Armenian culture and our cause among non-Armenians. The more awareness there is, the more people will put a "human face" on the word "Armenian;" ergo, the greater the likelyhood that genocide recognition will reach political critical mass and start move as an agenda in the world community. But I digress. I don't wish to steer the conversation off topic. My main objective is to identify and recruit people who can flesh our the articles that need to be created for the project. Gregkar 21:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Armenian Economy Articles to be Merged

Gentlemen and ladies, yesterday I came across another article on the Armenian national economy and I proposed that we merge the two together. The other article is outdated, but much more comprehensive. Merging the two would be a real time saver and brings a quality product to fruition faster. Gregkar 14:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I say that the Agriculture in Armenia and Armenian Stock Exchange articles should be created as separate (other countries have individual articles on their argiculture and their stock exchange - so why not Armenia?) -- Clevelander 23:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


Well, I wasn't proposing eliminating agriculture and the armex. I was proposing merging the two existing articles o nthe ECONOMY. The other articles can certainly be drafted and posted and linked up with the general article on the economy. I'll do more when i have more free time. Gregkar 21:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latin Transliteration

Could anybody do this? Luka Jačov 18:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Of what?--Eupator 15:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Well many or maybe all of the Armenian related articles have original Armenian name but without latin transliteration (Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic). Luka Jačov 17:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I added translit. for ASSR, anything else in mind? Maybe you can compile a list and it to the project?--Eupator 18:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian SSR flag and coat of arms poll

A poll: should we change Image:Flag of Armenian SSR.svg and Image:COA Armenian SSR.png to Image:SovietArmenian flag.jpg and Image:Armenian COA.jpg respectively? Vote change to change the flag and CoA or vote keep to keep things as they are.

  • Keep -- Clevelander 19:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and replace them with the ones I uploaded directly from the SA Encyclopedia. Things like this are the least of my concerns but the SVG flag's colors are inaccurate and cartoonish. They are akin to having the American flag with red, white, and green colors. Moreover, the COA's colors display the real colors of grapes that we all hopefully eat - the green and not the yellow kind. The ones from the encyclopedia have a more authentic feel to them. Perhaps this "consistency" that they be svg format be reconsidered but we shouldn't forgo realism here.--MarshallBagramyan 19:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Are we both looking at the same flag? The SA Encyclopedia version looks just like the SVG version (of course, the scanned flag looks a bit darker and grainy - but that's expected from a scan). The consistency of using SVG flags is something that Wikipedia has been long-striving to achieve (almost all flags on Wikipedia are now in SVG format and if not PNG format). I really don't see how SVG flags "forge realism." The grapes on the coat of arms from the SA Encyclopedia are shown in the same color as the grain and the hammer and sickle are (that is they're all supposed to be gold). This is accurately represented on the PNG CoA which is currently in use. -- Clevelander 00:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The "darkness" of the uploaded flag is not a byproduct of a poor quality scanning;it is the true color of the Soviet Armenian flag - Communism heavily emphasized the color red and all but it wasn't such a bright red like the SVG file but a mixture of red and more pronounced, orange hue. I'm willing to let all this subside but I can easily change the formats to .png extensions but its one thing whenever the official encyclopedia shows something different to what's being used here.--MarshallBagramyan 05:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
If it's the tone of the current Armenian SSR flag that's the issue, then that can be changed. In fact, I'd be more than happy to fix the color myself later today (I'll admit, the red is a bit bright). Kindest regards, Clevelander 09:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - Darkening the current flag's colors is necessary. The coat of arms has to be changed. The one we currently have was used from 1940-1966, the one MarshallBagramyan uploaded was used from 1966-1991.Source in Russian--Crzycheetah 08:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some Armenian villages in Iraq

Hey guys, I thought these couple articles I wrote long time ago might interest you; Avzrog and Dehi. It would be nice if any of you living in Armenia could visit Verin Dvin, Arzni or Dmitrov in the Ararat district and try to write an article about the Assyrian population their (with pictures of course ;) ) Chaldean 08:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Haghartsin

I have created the Haghartsin article, which is close to being finished text wise on my behalf. If you have any information you can add, and can help to wikify/clean up, that would be great. I will add some photos tomorrow. Also any "Did you know" suggestions would be nice. Thanks! --RaffiKojian 13:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cities and towns in Armenia (box)

Can someone fix the "Cities and towns in Armenia" (box). This is the box that is under all the cities of Armenia. On the box for the town of "Verdi" when I click on it it redirects me to somewhere else and when I click on the "Masis" city it redirects me to Mount. Ararat, but not the city of Masis. One more thing on the box of "Cities and towns in Armenia" "Martuni is under Armenian cities, but it is part of Nagorno-Karabakh district, It should be takne out. I tried to fix it, but I didn't know how. Thanks. ROOB323 23:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Clevelander 00:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks ROOB323 00:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armeniapedia

The Armeniapedia page is currently liable to be speedily deleted under WP:CSD A7, since it makes no attempt at establishing the notability of this website. I plan to delete it later today, this is just a courtesy notification, as it's been marked as belonging to you guys' wikiproject, in case anybody wants to improve and save it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norshirakan and Persarmenia - same region?

Note: In the Template:Historical regions of Armenia, there are two different links (Norshirakan and Persarmenia) that, I believe, relate to the same historical province. Can someone confirm this and take appropriate actions? I'd suggest to redirect Norshirakan to Persarmenia.--Crzycheetah 00:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

They seem to be the same thing but odds are Norshirakan has different borders and a different history, I mean what's the history of that name? Where did it come from? There must be some sort of a difference between Parskahayq and Norshirakan. My guess is that Norshirakan is the name of the territory of Parskahayq after the demise of Greater Amenia in 428?--Eupator 02:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ardahan

Folks - please keep this on your watchlist. A Turk is removing the Armeniapedia link repeatedly, and says it is "unreliable" on my talk page. Thanks and Happy New Year! :-) --RaffiKojian 17:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coat of Arms image

I am not sure if this would work, but I managed to export the EPS image hosted by the Armenia Government into an SVG file for Wikipedia. Image:Coat of Arms of Armenia.svg is my result. Do you want the colors from the arms image, in SVG, to be used in the SVG flag for Armenia? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 10:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I created the flag image using the colors, but holding off on the upload until yall ok it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 11:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The CoA image is now on Wikipedia, but I had earlier issues with rendering because of the software used to convert the image from EPS to SVG, Adobe Illustrator. I fixed it using Inkscape and I wish for comments about this. Thank you. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Hrant Dink

Can you guys try to put this in the front page under the "in the news" while the story is hot? Chaldean 18:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Forty Days of Musa Dagh

Guys, please keep an eye on the "Criticism" subsection of this page to avoid injustice and vandalism. Thanks --Armatura 14:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Introducing WikiProject Armenia article assessment

I have borrowed elements of WikiProject Greece and WikiProject Turkey to create Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia/Assessment. The purpose of this new feature is to increase the efficiency of WikiProject Armenia by using the article rating system. -- Aivazovsky 00:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{Armenian script}}

I have created a template {{Armenian script}} to be added to the talk pages of articles about people, places, or concepts in Armenian that are missing the name in the Armenian script. They are then automatically placed in the Category:Articles needing Armenian script, which hopefully somebody knowledgable will peruse sometimes to add the missing script. Rigadoun (talk) 16:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Topics

Some more relevant articles:

[edit] I thought you Guys could use this

[[1]]

Meanwhile, it was the father of the present Azeri president, Haydar Aliyev, who first said that “Karabakh is lost for us.” On July 22, 2002, while receiving the founders of the Baku Press-Club in his palace, Aliyev made a number of avowals. The full text of Aliyev’s interview was published by Zerkalo daily on July 23, 2002. In particular, Aliyev said that as the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the USSR “he did much to help Nagorno Karabakh to develop, but, at the same time, he tried to change the local demography.” “Nagorno Karabakh asked for an institute. I decided to open one, but on condition that it would have three sectors – Azeri, Russian and Armenia. We opened the institute and began sending Azeris from nearby districts there rather than to Baku. We also opened a big shoe factory. Stepanakert had no sufficient labor force, so we began sending there Azeris from places around the region. By doing this I tried to increase the number of Azeris and to reduce the number of Armenians,” Aliyev said. He also noted that “when I left Azerbaijan, the situation there got worse – Armenia’s influence grew bigger, and our authorities did nothing and missed the moment.” “When in Feb 1991 I was elected deputy from Naxcivan and came to Baku and said in the parliament that Nagorno Karabakh was already lost,” Haydar Aliyev said. Returning to our topic, let’s try to describe the consequences the war in Iran may have for Armenia. The armed crisis in Iran, the preventive strikes on or the military invasion of the US and the “accomplice-countries” in that country and the possible consequences this may have for Armenia are a question that can knock out any Armenian politician. They in Armenia have no answer to this question – they just well realize how serious this threat is. The possibility of a US-Azeri or any other conspiracy over the Karabakh-Iranian problem as a whole is an even bigger trap for the Armenians. We can hardly imagine them to rule out this possibility at all. The region is too small, and there is just one step from Iran (and, most importantly, from its regions where the ethnic Azeri majority is several times bigger than the whole population of Armenia) to Karabakh. Yes, it’s not calm in Armenia, and not only because of the daily shuttle visits of US politicians and diplomats. In fact, any destabilization will reveal the real balance of forces in the region and will blow up the whole foreign political doctrine of Armenia. The country will have to instantly choose which camp to join. The situation is going beyond short-term predictability, which means the end of the epoch of complimentarity – a wait-and-see policy, a policy of balance between the interests of macro-players.

Yerevan seems to have already taken the first steps in this direction… not without Moscow. In the chronology we give in the preamble shows that after the usual OSCE MG format broke up and the Russian co-chair went into the shadow, it was only the Armenian FM that visited Moscow. But this was overshadowed by an unprecedented meeting of the Russian ambassadors to Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey and Russian Deputy FM Grigory Karasin in Yerevan. Even in calmer times such a meeting would look intriguing. The N1 topic before and after the military exercises in Nagorno Karabakh was the Armenian-Russian military cooperation. Apr 19 the chief of the general staff of Armenia’s armed forces Mikayel Haroutyunyan said that “Armenia and Russia should conduct joint exercises more frequently and should involve the Karabakh armed forces therein.” In the meantime, Armenian Defense Serzh Sargsyan said in an interview to Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper that Armenia would welcome the training of Russian military students in highland conditions.

Is a local war in Karabakh possible? It is — as war is still regarded as one of the possible ways to resolve the dragging conflict. But who will it benefit? The benefits are many, but they depend on what the beneficiaries want. Let’s consider some of the possible scenarios: The US involves Azerbaijan in a local war with Armenia and deploys its military bases in the Azeri territory to protect its oil-gas interests and, at the same time, pressures on Iran from the north. This scenario fits well into the US’ strategic plan of Iran’s military-political encirclement.


I am from the Azari Wiki Project and both a Iranian and Azari. I know I am an ethnic Iranian and not a Turkic as fake party line in Baku cliams. The Baku government has even killed Azari scholars who have taught that Azaris are really ethnically non-Turkic. We are reallly an Iranian people related to the Armenians and I hope their is peace for everyone in the region. 72.57.230.179

[edit] Abdul Hamid II

Fellow Armenians, there is an anonymous vandal who keeps removing a part of Abdul Hamid's page where it states about the hamidian massacres, and about the reforms Armenians demanded...we should pay attention -- Fedayee 22 September 2006

[edit] Take a look at the role of Armenia in a war a US-Iran War

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NAZ20061001&articleId=3361

[edit] Correct English Spelling

I often find transcriptions instead of correct English transliterations of Armenian words in headlines. Please keep an eye on this.

Examples:

  • Sarkisian instead of Sargsyan (this is the transcription), Sarkisyan etc.
  • Hakobian instead Hakobyan, Akopian etc.
  • Vahanian instead of Vahanyan, Vaganyan, Vaganian etc.
  • Russian patronymics (see f.e. Vagarshak Arutyunovich Ter-Vaganyan) for citizens of the Armenian SSR.

A reader who does not know Armenian is just misinformed when seeing “Sargsyan” as a headline. This does not reflect the English pronuciation. Thank you.

[edit] Pre-Christianity

I'm interested to know what was the pre-Christian religion of the Armenians! Please send any links talking about that to me on my talk page. Thank you a lot. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 16:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nikita Simonian

Hi! Why haven't you written his name in Armenian yet? Alaexis 21:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

done--Armatura 17:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small version of WPAM template would be very helpful

Hello, I would like to request that WPAM template support the small option. Combining it with several other project templates clutters up the talk page enormously. --Free smyrnan 12:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Done, lets just hope its right. Artaxiad 18:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks!!! I used it in Talk:Vakıflı. A great improvement. I still find it a tad large, but at this point this is just personal pref. The map could be a tad smaller and some of the explanations could be more brief for the small version perhaps? --Free smyrnan 21:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Not to sure how to do that. Artaxiad 10:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wpam template

We should get the Importance thing to, looks nice, and it will shorten some space. Artaxiad 16:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FC Ararat Tehran

Thought this might interest you guys. Chaldean 19:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice find, thanks Chaldean. lol their emblem looks like the Homenetmen emblem - Fedayee 19:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do you mind deleating Serge Avedikian?

Friends, the page about famous Armenian-French actor Serge Avedikian has been considered for deleating. Please make your remarks concerning this issue] and help me to improve the article]. Best Regards, --Armatura 10:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move of Denial of the Armenian Genocide to Denial of the Armenian Genocide allegations

It has been proposed that Denial of the Armenian Genocide should be moved to Denial of the Armenian Genocide allegations. See Talk:Denial of the Armenian Genocide for further reading. Errabee 21:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hrant Dink - Early Life

I have substantially re-written the Early Life section, from Hrant Dink's birth until the start of his career at Agos. I would really appreciate editors looking it over. I have tried to get all the facts in. The language is somewhat rough still. Wikification etc, is quite weak. --Free smyrnan 22:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Van Resistance

Hi All,

I am trying to rewrite the Van Resistance article. I intend to use Christopher Walkers survival as the main reference, and start writing a temp article, asking the admins to delete the current one. Aside from the obvious poor grammar and formatting, this article goes on about some "Administration of Western Armenia" nothing to do with the self defense of 1915. It is only appropriate the article solely deal with this. What do you guys think? Feedback? Suggestions? (Hetoum 19:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Armenia template

Friends, I have just noticed that rated and quality scale worlds in WPAM box link Assesement and Quality Scale sections of WikiProject Hip-Hop:) This ridiculous inaccuracy needs to fixed ASAP. --Armatura 21:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The lead sentence of Serj Tankian article

Mentioning Tankian's ethnicity in the top of the article was considered "agenda" by on of the users (Tom). If you have any remarks on this issue, please make them here. ... or better bring with you some administrator to resolve the dispute, cause it's no longer a civil discussion. Thanks.Armatura 16:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Թոմը դրսևորում է հակահայկական և հակահրեական տրամադրություններ, imho պետք է նրա վարքը դնել քննարկման ադմիիստրատորների բորդում: Եթե ինչ որ մեկը գիտե թե դա ինչպես է արվում, ապա plz, do it.Armatura 18:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenia: The Secrets of a Christian Terrorist State

Plz review and revert (if needed) the last eitions by 165.196.104.56 Armatura 20:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject user category

It is recommended that Category:WikiProject Armenia Wikipedians be renamed to either Category:WikiProject Armenia participants or Category:WikiProject Armenia members according to convention. It is left up to the project participants/members to choose which they would like. Please hold a discussion here and when there is consensus make the change. Thank you. --NThurston 14:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm more of a participant then a member. Vartanm 17:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] armeniapedia and Raffi Kojian

User:RaffiKojian's armeniapedia and cilicia.com are used a lot on Wikipedia. What is the reliability? Thanks denizTC 10:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Barev (Privet) Im new to wikipedia but i think there should be a section of Armenian wiki made for Armenian Singers of the 20th Century and New Armenian Vocalsists. (Such as Erevanski, Hay Tgheq and Armenchik) Though it sounds like the page is useless it could provide other races a small taste of Armenian music from this era. Gevo2267 2-29-07 9:19PST

                                           Levon ****yan

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gevo2267 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Hye, you may want to check out this article first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_music --Hetoum I 20:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trade unions in Armenia

Hello. I started this stub article as part of the work at WP:UNION. It is a "top" rated article for the Organized Labour project, but I am working from few resources and I was hoping someone here would take a look at the article - and at least check for any glaring errors. Of course, anything you could add would be appreciated as well. Thanks.--Bookandcoffee 03:06, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenia's relation with Arab nations.

Do we create articles based on Armenian relations with specific Arab countries (e.g. Armenian-Lebanese relations) or do we create an article based on Armenian relations with the entire Arab world (Armenian-Arab world relations) and sectionize the specific countries? Or do we create both kinds of articles...- Fedayee 00:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

There are some Arab countries that Armenia has no relations at all, and there are some like Lebanon for example that Armenia has good relations with. So I guess creating both kinds of articles would be optimal. The countries that have good or bad relations with Armenia would get their own articles and the rest of them would go on the Armenia-Arab world article. An article about Armenia and European Union was created recently by Aivazovsky but Armenia-France article was created by Davo88 last year. I say lets have both, I'm sure we would get help from other wikiprojects. VartanM 03:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Alright, sounds good! - Fedayee 01:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah that's a good idea... The two most important ones are Lebanon and Syria not only because of the Armenian genocide, but also because Armenians have been there for a very long time. But a lot of the Arab states of today are artificial creations (Iraq for example) so you can't talk a lot about them. btw when talking about Iraq there should be a part about the Armenian peacekeepers. -- Davo88 02:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Also lets not forget the Armenian church bombing in Baghdad [2] --VartanM 04:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian EU userbox

I created and added an Armenian Userbox to this list: EU-based_Userboxes--Waterfall999 12:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orion and Hayk

I would like to ask for any help in tracking down sources documenting the identification of the Armenian mythical figure Hayk with the Greek mythical figure Orion per the interpretatio graeca.

The more scholarly sources on the subject seem to point most directly to the Old Armenian Bible's translation of "Orion" for the constellation, and give the similarity between the god Orion and the god Hayk as the reason for this translation. There is a suggestion that this reflects a broader identification, but little detail on this point. See this site and also pg. 32 of Hackiyan's The Heritage of Armenian Literature (available in limited preview on Google Books): By virtue of his being a valiant prince of fine stature "strong and accurate in drawing the bow," and "a skillful archer," Hayak became a couunterpart of the Greek Orion, perhaps because, like Orion, Hayk has fine features and was a night hunter. No ancient records documenting Hayk's apotheosis into a constellation survive, but in two instances in the Greek Bible that mention Orion, the fifth-century Armenian translators have replaced Orion with Hayk.

What I would really like are pointers to ancient or medieval sources that directly compare the gods Hayk and Orion (as opposed to just the constellations), and cited in scholarly or at least respected publications (not random stuff on the internet). Thanks very much for your help.--Pharos 02:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Scouting

Can someone help render Misht Badrast (Be Prepared), the Scout Motto, into Armenian script? Thanks! Chris 04:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New category

I was thinking about creating a new category to cover the burials at Yerablur military cemetery. Currently we have Andranik Ozanian, Vazgen Sargsyan, Monte Melkonian and Gurgen Margaryan. I'm not sure if the four names alone warrant a category but there are some notable individuals whos articles are yet to be created. VartanM 04:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, Vartan. We can down the line create the articles of other people buried there as you mentioned. - Fedayee 04:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I support this idea! We can also add Sose Mayrig.Andranikpasha 11:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Picture Candidate

I have nominated a photo of a khachkar I just uploaded. You can follow the nomination at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Khachkar --RaffiKojian 10:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo of Russian embassy required

I have reformatted Diplomatic missions of Russia and have included a column which is to be populated of the various Russian diplomatic missions, and the article needs a photo of the Russian Embassy which is located at 13A Grigor Lusavorich Street in Yerevan. There is also a consulate-general in Gyumri at 5 Garegin Nzhde Street of which a photo is needed. Can anyone in Armenia assist with this? Cheers --Russavia 04:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Genocide - Armeniapedia link being attacked

Folks, it seems the integrity of Armeniapedia as a valid source is under attack on the Armenian Genocide article. One Turk simply questioned it, and the very same day another user immediately removed it without any discussion. Now these 3 are preventing the reversion to add the link, which as I state there has possibly the largest collection of digital documents on the genocide. It's amazing to me, and I hope some of you are actually around to vouch for the site, as these folks don't seem to have actually even visited the site, or really care if it's of any value, instead asking irrelevant questions like, "what if there was a Turkopedia, would we include that??". Your input would be appreciated. --RaffiKojian 17:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Scouting

Please help expand Armenian Scouting history and also visit User:Phips/workshop/DP-Scouts and contribute, and build this article as well. Surely in the aftermath of the Armenian Genocide, there must have been Scouting in displaced persons camps. I know there is the Homenetmen article, I think there was other stuff going on too. Chris 07:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sprotection

an appalling number of Armenia-related articles has been semiprotected recently. This is due to persistent campaigns of disruption by editors with no manners and no grasp of policy (likely a banned user). This is annoying, and is damaging to the healthy progress of these articles, but I simply see no other way to prevent rapid degradation. This especially refers to topics of ancient history and mythology, such as Hayk, Hayasa-Azzi, Armenia (name), History of Armenia, but also Armenia itself. Sorry about this, but we simply don't have the manpower required to patrol these articles against dedicated trolls. dab (𒁳) 19:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Whats really going on is you are removing our historical info from the "History of Armenia template" that was there from the first day the Template was created. That is whats really going on. So who is the vandal, its dab. There should be no reason to remove Nairi and Hayk. Also, "History of Georgia" template, for example, has all of their earlier history just as we had, but ours gets removed??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.96.243 (talk • contribs)

you are the vandal. If you had the slightest grasp of manners and Wikipedia policies, you could actively improve articles. Instead, you force us to lock articles down, to the disadvantage of our coverage of Armenian history. If you cannot understand that what you do actually damages the reputation of Armenians, I cannot help you. dab (𒁳) 13:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
As a non-Armenian with an interest in the history and geography of the area that is now eastern Turkey, I'm a little confused and saddened by the edit wars over some related Wikipedia pages. But this does raise the issue of the best way to handle the various ethnic elements of the region's past.
Take for example the article on Lake Van. It was obviously part of various Armenian kingdoms over a long period. And equally obviously, it has been ruled by Turkish states since the Battle of Manzikert. But, this should actually be an article about the lake, and the region's history should be one small part of the overall description. WP:UNDUE makes this pretty clear.
So, as a reader, I would welcome some way (i.e. links, and small history navigation boxes) to connect to articles on Urartu and the Ahlatshahs, but a 10-inch high History of Armenia navigation box is getting a bit out of proportion to the relevance of Armenian history in the overall article, and placing the history box at the head of the article is clearly POV.
What I'd like would be a collapsible history navigation box for Armenian history (and for Byzantine history, Seljuk history and Ottoman history) that could sit neatly at the right of the text and give the casual reader an easy way to broaden his/her reading. And I'd like to specify that it is initially collapsed. Is it too much to ask? Is it already available? It certainly might defuse the flaming edit wars over some of these pages. Rupert Clayton 16:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The template for Armenian history is only intended to be placed on articles that are included in the template. Lake Van is a lake, not a state, culture or dynasty so it doesn't need that template.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 16:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Also the edit warring was a result of one vandal, it was not a content dispute just blatant vandalism.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 16:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm fine without the Armenian history navigator in geographic articles. It's certainly better than taking up the whole right-hand side of the screen. Is there a more general policy that restricts the inclusion of other similar history templates?Rupert Clayton 18:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Don't think so. It's common sense really. -- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 19:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

collapsible navigation boxes are spreading on Wikipedia like cancer. Whatever happened to writing an actual paragraph in prose, with relevant terms wikilinked so that interested readers can click on them? The ratio of tempate designers to encyclopedic authors is apparently out of balance. No wonder: it is much easier to collect existing articles into a snappy template than to get down to producing content. I fully agree with Eupator: templates have their uses, but they need to be used judiciously. A link being included to a template may be less controversial than including the template on the article linked, so I would not advise a policy of automatically slapping the template on every article it links to. this template topic is a wider debate without special relevance to Armenia, and there is of course much room for bona fide disagreement. What we are dealing with here is just a single vandal. We'll need to keep the articles semiprotected for as long as necessary, perhaps indefinitely, but that isn't really all that bad, since everyone can still (a) suggest corrections on talk and (b) create an account and do 50 edits or so on other topics first. Semiprotection is an excellent tool to get rid of IP hopping vandals without putting a significant barrier in the way of bona fide editors. dab (𒁳) 14:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Armenian nationality

Hello, I wanted to let this project know about the existence of this (relatively) new article. It was created by a college student as part of his course work and has been sitting off in a corner, unlinked and uncategorized. I created one or two links to it and put it in a couple of categories, but I think there are probably others here who can help it along better than I can. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 04:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Victims

I was wondering if people could start adding to the [[Category:Notable Armenian genocide victims]]. Thank you. Chaldean (talk) 23:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)