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Maybe I'm just crazy here, but doesn't the nom de guerre Tristan Tzara mean something in Romanian? I've heard "Bored of his country" as a proposal, but I'm far from sure. Anybody who speaks Romanian who can back me up on this??—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabbe (talk • contribs)

Tristan Tzara doesn't mean anything in Romanian the way it is spelt and pronounced, but it is similar to a few other words. Ţară (read "Tzară") means country, that's right. Ţara is the articulated form (the article goes at the end of the word in Romanian), so the ă is dropped for the a. So, Tzara means "the country", the "tz" frequently replacing the "ţ" character in the same way that "oe" replaces the German o-umlaut (ö). Tristan is a Romanian name (and a Romance-language name in general). Trist means sad in Romanian, similar to how triste in French means the same thing. So -- "trist pentru ţară" means "sad for his country", or, and this is where it links it -- "trist în ţară", which can also be written "trist ân ţară" (î and â are the same character in terms of pronunciation) means "Sad in the country", in context meaning "Sad in Romania" because Romanians frequently talk about their (our ;-) country as "ţara" - the country. So, you were very close ;-) Cheers.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.67.10 (talk • contribs)

An anagram of the name Tristan Tzara is Artist Tarzan. — JIP | Talk 10:24, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Much of this article is plagiarized from the Encyclopedia Britannica article on Tzara.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.254.242 (talk • contribs)

This article has serious POV issues. Or maybe Britannica has serious POV issues.--Quadalpha 06:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Origins of "Dada" 2 **comment*** 3 *request* 4 word "dada" 5 Works 6 Pronunciation 7 Opinion 8 Date of death 9 GA Review

[edit] Origins of "Dada"

It is speculated that the word "Dada" comes from the Romanian "Yes, yes" and is thusly originated from Tzara and Janco's contributions.

An art history I read text speculated that the origins of the name dada were not from this, but becuase of the Dadaist statment that "Art is not only here (in a museum), but [pointing] there, there." In Russian or German "there there" becomes "da da."

No source...sorry. 208.102.114.164 17:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] **comment***

shoudn't we mention about the dada poem he created; i mean it was arguably the most important thing he did.--Vircabutar 07:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you refer to his original works, or his propensity to cut up other works and pull them word-by-word from a hat?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.61.130 (talk • contribs)

[edit] *request*

Couldn't we get some more information about his life? We read that he was born in Romania, lived in France, but for some of his life was in Switzerland. Did he have a family? Was he educated? Where did he live? Did he always make a living exclusively from his art? Or did he do something else too? What were his major works? Were they all in French? Or some in Romanian too? Any other langugages? Who were his major influences, if any? Does he have followers? What's here doesn't say much.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.13.8 (talk • contribs)

The article says something about Tzara creating the "movements manifestos". Wasn't that Hugo Ball?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.182.40.92 (talk • contribs)

[edit] word "dada"

Well I learned at school, that word "dada" comes from dictionary, that they blindly marked this word in a dictionary with a pencil. And from that time on they called their new style "dadaism". And the word dada should mean something like "hobby". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.176.40.127 (talk) 11:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Works

Can someone link something to some of his works? That'd be very helpful, thanks! 71.111.112.58 08:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Could someone tell me how to correctly pronounce "Tristan Tzara"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.72.194 (talk) 09:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion

Is important to emphasize the language used by the writer. Most of his works were written in French and are a part of the French literature heritage. Also he lived most of his life in France. Thus one can define Tzara as a French writer born in Romania , or of Romanian origin ,less exactly - a Romanian author of French , and in his youth of Romanian expression. At the same time one can mention his Jewish ethnic origin . A similar case may be for example Joseph Conrad who was an English writer of Polish -Ukrainian origin or of Polish origin born in Ukraina . The pronounciation for Tristan Tzara has to be ,I suppose , following the French rules, with emphasis on the last syllable of each word . Ewan

[edit] Date of death

Google seems roughly evenly balanced between 24 December and 25 December, but I've found nothing that settles it one way or another. Can anyone help? -- JackofOz (talk) 08:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tristan Tzara/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of June 9, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass - although with some issues

2. Factually accurate?: Pass - definately enough refs

3. Broad in coverage?: Pass - perhaps overly detailed

4. Neutral point of view?: Pass - couldn't fin anything wrong.

5. Article stability? Pass

6. Images?: Pass - barely but it is not an article that would require many images anyways.

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations.

Now in more detail I can say that I still have some issues with the article, altough it is good enough to be listed as a good article. Here are the suggestions if anyone would want to take the article to FA:

1. firstly, the article is perhaps overly detailed. The article almost contains unnecessary details.
2. waaay too many red links. I understand that those people are not important and that is why no article is written about then... but then, should their name be here in the first place? This is closely related to the previous point. I believe that the article would make a lot of sense without so much overly-detailed information. Right now, it reads really hard, and I had problems concentrating on the point of the argument. This page should not be a book, and the information should not be copied word-by-word from the referencing books.
3. this is perhaps not essential, but an FA would definately require it: MORE images. Even the portrait is at least a little ambigous. I bet there is one free picture somewhere with his bust, and that there are some pictures somewhere with his work.

I hope it helped and good luck with the article. Nergaal (talk) 02:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)