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The article says that "According to writer Greg Weisman the timeline of the original Spider-Man story-arcs, which the series is based on...," but the series seems to have its own continuity, since in the original Spider-Man, Peter Parker didn't know Gwen Stacy, Harry Osborn, or Eddie Brock in high school. 4.167.229.92 (talk) 04:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Dwight Schultz?

Dwight Schultz's wiki article lists him as having a part in this show, but he isn't mentioned on this article or the talk page. So does he have a part in this show or is it just a mistake in his page? 84.31.80.180 (talk) 20:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rumored Cast???

this is to all who contributed to the newly added rumored cast section, where exactly are all those rumored?? i'm guessing that you were not told by a little birdie, so please cite your sources.. --PASSIVE (Talk|E-Mail) 15:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name Change

Can anyone change the name of the article to "Spectacular Spider-Man"? The name change has been recently announced. Thanks.

Done.--Venomaru 2.0 19:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright, thanks.--GamerSlyRatchet

[edit] Concept work

Some put down that some concept work for Peter, MJ, Spidey, and Gwen have been shown. Is there a link to verify this?

There is, I'll track it down again.--156.34.94.43 19:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cast and Title

A few questions: 1. Is this cast posted for real? And did they change the title from Amazing to Spectacular? We need references on this.

The Amazing Spider-Man title was tentative, it has indeed been changed to Spectacular. Probably for the simple reason that it rolls off of the tongue a bit easier. As for the cast list, I can't vouch for that. --156.34.69.102 06:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
In regards to the cast, Josh Keaton confirmed that he will be voicing Spider-man, it says on his website. Zidane4028 03:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

--- Now that the first episode has been shown at WonderCon, can you please stop wrongly correcting the cast updates?? --CrzyJen (talk) 17:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Poster

What happened to the poster that was on here?

[edit] The Spectacular Spider-Man to The Spectacular Spider-Man Animated Series

  • So is the title The Spectacular Spider-Man? Because on the poster it says The Spectacular Spider-Man Animated Series.

[edit] Doc Connors

I think it's important to note that Doc Connors will be a recurring ally, so his human form should be listed under allies while lizard should be listed under villains. Thoughts? --Vinnyvinny2 00:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? The only references I have seen list Doc Connors/Lizard as appearing in the show. If there is a reference that says that Doc Connors will be a recurring ally (like he was in the 90s TV show) then I agree that he should be included under 'Supporting characters' but that would have to be a separate reference than the current one that exists because that does not support Vinnyvinny2's claim. Freak104 01:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I have no proof that he will be an ally, but the link that already attached to the Lizard says that Connors, not the Lizard, will appear in multiple episodes. He's always been an ally to Peter when not in his lizard form, so I think that's good enough, but I'll wait for a reply before I do anything. --Vinnyvinny2 11:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I would wait, because part of the Lizard character has always been that he was a friend before he was an enemy. I don't think it should be re-added. What do other people think? Freak104 19:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Doc Conners is most definitely a recurring ally to Peter in the show and should be listed as such. There are no hard sources other than what I've seen with my own eyes, so it's up to you on how you want to deal with that info. --CrzyJen (talk) 22:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of episodes already?

There's already an episodes article on here. 1, it's too early, and 2, no episodes have even been announced. That page should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.37.71.165 (talk) 03:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

My bad. I meant to put the links up earlier, but I forgot. Anyways, since it is confirmed, there's no need to get rid of the page. --Vinnyvinny2 01:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Spidey promo1.jpg

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[edit] Ned Lee/Ned Leeds

I can't say I have ever heard of Ned Lee as a character and its possible that he is something of new character to the show, but I can't help but notice how similar his name is to former Spidey Reporter Ned Leeds (Husband to Betty Brant and casualty of the Hobgoblin storyline). Is this the character they mean?99.225.201.49 (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

It is, and that's why if you click on the name, it takes to the Ned Leeds page. It's the same character. He still works at the Bugle. Greg Weisman changed to name to add more diversity to the cast. He's Korean now. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 01:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Odio a los idiotas que borran imagenes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.127.42.89 (talk) 17:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two seasons of 13 episodes?

The summary claims that 'So far there are commitments to two seasons of 13 episodes each.'. However, the reference just points out that the commitment went from 13 to 26, and doesn't say that it will be over two seasons. Has there been any word that it will be two seasons? -Joltman (talk) 15:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It's animation, they work in seasons of 13 episodes each. The commitment to 26 episodes, means that they were contracted for a second season. I edited it to the correct phrasing. Of course, I also tried to correct the casting errors (like Daran Norris as the Tinkerer... which is flat out WRONG, it's actually my good friend Thom Adcox) and Vinny keeps changing it back. I just work on the show, what the heck do I know? --CrzyJen (talk) 16:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry that I keep changing it and I'm sure that Mr. Adcox will portray a great Tinkerer, but you just don't understand how wikipedia works. If you're so fired up about this, release an official statement that says that and I will be more than happy to correct it. Other wise, it's original research. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Like I said, I just work here. Although, I've added some of the production staff (which I plan to complete) and corrected the show titles and filled in the blanks, you only seem to care about the voice actors. --CrzyJen (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I changed the titles too in case you didn't notice and I plan to remove all of the production staff since is trivia and it's unsourced anyways. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 00:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
No, you didn't. You need to go back and number the episodes wrong again, then remove the episode titles that haven't been announced yet. The show airs next weekend, do the credits from those two episodes count on the verifiability scale, or does it have to be tossed on some backwards website in order to count as legit? Let me know what I need to do so I can make sure that these hard working people get the proper credit for their work instead of being snubbed by the internet. Thanks! --CrzyJen (talk) 15:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Production staff is "trivia"? Since why? If that is trivia, why isn't the voice cast also trivia? I work in the film industry (though not on this show) and I know that the production staff is every bit as important as the cast. Without them, you have no show. Without the cast, you have no show. These people bust their butts all over the place to put this out, show some respect. --Greg Bishansky (talk)
Respect given. That doesn't change wikipedia rules. What makes one member of the cast more important that the other. What's going to stop us from listed all 236 of the production crew for the show. It get unruly and unsightly for an encyclopedia page. As much as I respect the production staff, I'm not going to give up the organization of the page to show respect. Also, I grew tired of changing the episode titles becuase it took too long. I'd rather just leave it until we get the right reference, even though it's against Wikipedia rules. Anyways, thanks for your understanding and I hope you enjoy the premiere as much as I do! --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 00:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
So organization is more important than facts? Very well then, I will remove the voice cast after you remove the crew. That should keep it clean and streamlined for you. I've very much enjoyed the premiere already, I think you'll be impressed with it. It's very well done. --CrzyJen (talk) 01:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a list of facts. (See: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.) So yes, organization is more important than facts. And you don't have to tell me I'll be impressed with it. This is Greg Weisman. Of course I'll be impressed by it! --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 01:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps I overlooked something but nowhere on Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not does it say "Wikipedia is not a list of facts." I couldn't even find that statement in the revision history. However, I was able to find this line on the subject: "The purpose of Wikipedia is to present facts." --Irc goliath (talk) 20:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
"Wikipedia is not... a repository of links" That's exactly what I feel like this page is. I've never seen any other page so obsessed with links to other outdated web sites in my life. I think the local deletionist should re-read what he's preaching here. --CrzyJen (talk) 20:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks to me like that's EXACTLY what wikipedia is. A list of facts. As IRC Goliath just said, "The purpose of Wikipedia is to present facts." The crew list are facts. The information CrzyJen has posted are facts. Vinny, you lost this one. Be grateful there is someone who's actually working on the series who cares enough to take time off her busy schedule to make sure wikipedia is updated with accurate and comprehensive info. --Greg Bishansky (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 06:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I feel bombarded more than grateful. You two seem to be hell-bent on an argument so I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and just let you win. I don't come to wikipedia for arguments. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 11:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

You, personally, are a great example of everything that's horribly, horribly wrong with Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy threatening me with some stupid Wiki policy on personal attacks in return while utterly ignoring the real issue here. In conclusion, enjoy your studio apartment and the balance of your miserable life. (I feel compelled to add that no, you moron, that isn't a death threat). 66.75.52.157 (talk) 03:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course it's not a death threat. You specifically pointed out that I would be living life in you final sentence. How could I have possibly misconstrued that as a death threat? --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 10:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What to include?

What should be included on this site? Right now there are a brief summary (with references to other shows?? yeah, that can go), random quotes from the producers, an episode list, cast list and crew. In the future, there will be issues with the Villain hook ups (due to the fact that some of the origins/names are changing) and more voice cast, episodes and crew to add in. I think if it's organized correctly, then all should look fine. --CrzyJen (talk) 21:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Looking over other TV shows on Wikipedia, I note that it's common practice to put the cast and crew in the sidebar. I also notice a recurring structure in most TV shows and I think it would serve as a good foundation for this page as well.
  • Overview of the Show
[Table of Contents]
  • Plot
  • Characters
Main Characters
Villians
  • Episodes
  • Influences
Steve Ditko
Art and animation style (fluidity and Asian influences)
  • Media
  • Reception
See Avatar: The Last Airbender as an example. --Irc goliath (talk) 00:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
My hope is to eventually split the episodes and characters into their own articles when it begins to get to large for the main page. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 01:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
What exactly does this mean? Example? --CrzyJen (talk) 06:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that outline would be a great starting template. --CrzyJen (talk) 06:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Great template, change Main Characters to Supporting Characters and give the crew a section also, and it'll be perfect. The cast would likely be included with their characters. --Greg Bishansky (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 06:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
The template looks nice. Hopefully it translates well on the other side. And eventually I would like to at least split off the episodes like List of The Batman episodes. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 11:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
That looks really nice. --CrzyJen (talk) 19:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aspect Ratio

Did anyone else think it looked kinda squished? Like they put it together in widescreen then compressed it for regular TV? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 21:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Most definitely. I've seen the episodes several times in edits, but the version on my regular TV at home definitely seems squashed. I'll be asking about that today. --CrzyJen (talk) 18:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regular Cast?

I don't think it's wise to put a section called "Regular Cast" up. The people who are in EVERY episode is far too long and includes heroes and villains. --CrzyJen (talk) 18:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate IDs

The editors that wrote the cast list made a lot of assumptions about characters' alternate identities (eg. Felicia Hardy being Black Cat). Given that we now know that, for example, Herman Shulz is NOT the Shocker, I went about removing the unsourced assumptions. However, somebody has reverted my edits.

I also think it's inappropriate to have separate "supporting" and "villain" lists - some of the characters listed may not become villains in the show (such as Sin-Eater - methinks his story arc would be much too horrific for a kids show, a story I have no interest in spoiling here due to its overwhelming excellence), and likewise some of the supporting characters may yet become villains. (Where would you list JJJ anyway?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MultipleTom (talk • contribs) 19:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Your changes are just as unsourced. Although your theory is sound, Felicia is Black Cat and not all your edits were reverted. (not that they are accurate, just that I understand your point of removing them). If you want to remove Tricia as Felicia, then go right ahead.
I FULLY agree with you that the separate "Supporting" and "Villain" lists are just not going to work here. Doc Connors is both a friend and a villain. JJJ is a good man, but a greedy one, does that make him a villain? Not really. Stan Carter will remain a supporting character as long as the show is on as kids programming. How would you suggest changing this to work better for this show? --CrzyJen (talk) 20:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I totally saw this coming. I'm not even going to try and do something about the unsourced voice actors. I'll just take your word for it. However, I will create a separate character page and separate it by "Starring" and "Recurring". --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 00:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
My "changes"? I don't need to source the removal of unsourced information!!! I thought that was pretty obvious. Given that the episodes involving (for example!) Black Cat haven't aired yet, I think it's worth not being presumptive about it. For all anyone knows, these characters might not have their IDs revealed at all, someone different might voice the alternate ID character... for all you know, Gwen Stacy is the Black Cat!! MultipleTom (talk) 12:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
As for the supporting/villain thing... the best way to do it is to just not categorise them beyond separating regulars and guests (the regulars at this point ought to be limited to the characters that appear in the title sequence). Returning to Black Cat again (such a useful example), she's spent a lot of her fictional life as a villain - no reason to assume she won't be one on this show too. MultipleTom (talk) 12:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Apparently, you missed the part where I agreed with you... although the temper tantrum is cute. I think you should use even more exclamation points, that was the best part. --CrzyJen (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
That argument would be so good if she didn't work for the show. Not that using herself as a source is exactly by wikipedia guidelines, it is reliable, albeit against the rules. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 13:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't realise you worked for the show. While, indeed, it's not good practice to use yourself as the source, if it's accurate information you're adding to the article (which would be verifiable at a later date) that isn't spoilery, then it would obviously enhance the article overall.MultipleTom (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Herman Schultz is the shocker.Montana is just using the shockers out fit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocker_%28comics%29#Shocker_I .--Lbrun12415 23:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Venom

On EP 12 and 13 it was stated on the wb and spoilers.com that spiderman gets his back suit and on Ep 13 he fight eddie brok aka Venom.--Lbrun12415 23:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Give me a link and I'll be more than happy to put it up. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 03:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/29/index.htm ,--Lbrun12415 03:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
That link only confirms his appearances, not which episode. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 04:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

"By last episode" means sometime before the season ends. It does not necessarily mean the final episode. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 04:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinnyvinny2 (talk • contribs)

That is an assumption, which constitutes original research.--Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 04:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Foswell, Tombstone and the Big Man

Just because Foswell was the Big Man in the comics doesn't mean anything at all, as nothing has indicated that Foswell is anything more than a reporter for the Bugle. The Big Man is clearly Tombstone; the credits even list him as such. Arguing that its anything otherwise when the series hasn't even hinted at it is original research.--CyberGhostface (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Tombstone does say something along the lines of "This Big Man, if he even exists..." which is quite confusing, but may point to the fact that Tombstone is just a figurehead for the actual Big Man. This is most likely not the case, but I'm throwing it out there. Michael Podgorski (talk) 04:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

There is purposely an air of doubt. Tombstone says, "The Big Man, who ever he may be..." and Foswell says, "If there is a Big Man out there, his name isn't Lincoln." The evidence points to Lincoln, but the show is purposely leaving it open to interpretation and it would qualify as original research to assume that Lincoln is the Big Man just as much as it would to assume Foswell is the Big Man. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Explain to me then why the credits list Big Man and Tombstone as the same person? Also, its not as if Wilson Fisk never denied being the Kingpin...--CyberGhostface (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Using Fisk's denial and adapting it to this show is original research and the credits may just be a way of throwing us off. It what's we're supposed to believe. I'm not saying I'm right. I just saying there is discrepancy and we should not assume one way or the other. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 00:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Tombstone has the same exact voice as the Big Man on the phone. Its the same actor (excluding the first episode of course). Unless you want to argue that it wasn't the Big Man on the phone to begin with. Also, arguing that the credits are trying to throw us off is original research as well.--CyberGhostface (talk) 01:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm suggesting Tombstone has always been on the phone as the voice of the Big Man, but the orders still come from Foswell. He's the real Big Man (That's just my guess. I don't actually want to put that in the article) We have a fairly equal amount of sources denying it as we do confirming it. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 01:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Spectacular Spider-Man episodes

Should the episode list be split into a different article considering that a second season has been confirmed? RC-0722 247.5/1 20:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it should. Someone with the time and will to do it should get on it. --Vinnyvinny2 (talk) 20:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I'll do it. Just give me a few. RC-0722 247.5/1 20:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Observations

The title of the series is The Spectacular Spider-man Animated Series, which makes it different from the comic book title and therefore makes the title of this article inacurate and its (TV series) clarification useless.

I know aunt May doesn't appear in the oppening credits as Peter, Jonah, Gwen, Mary Jane and Harry, but is she not credited as supporting cast?

The episodes can be kept here while it is a short list, but prventing it to grow would be a mistake. I won't be editing, thore were only some tips I thought you could use.--20-dude (talk) 23:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)