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[edit] Renaissance Artists

I didn't see anywhere in the article, a reference to the names of the four turtles having the same names as the four most successful Italian Renaissance artists. I'm not very good at putting things in the right places on the wiki, so maybe someone else should do it? Thanks LeetaCris (talk) 00:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Film image

I changed the image in the film section. I don't mind if someone changes it to something else, but the image of Raph, which looked like a promo image just looked weird, as he looked cross-eyed, and gave the impression that the Turtles wore those costumes in all the films. Also it would be better if we had an image of all the Turtles, not just one of them. Davey4 03:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


The information regarding the TV series is wrong too. Back in those days, they were called 'Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles', *not* 'Ninja'. I have paraphenelia to prove this, if needs be. I believe the Heroes made the transformation into full-blown official Ninjas when the first movie came out. BRY, 10:43am GMT, May 21 2007

The article says that in the UK, the word 'ninja' was deemed too violent by old censoring laws, hence they changed it to 'hero'. Bekkie 15:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)



There is even more wrong information in the article. It mentions that the Foot Soldiers were changed to robots to lower the rating of the show. There weren't ratings back then. The TV Rating system was implemented in January of 1997.JoeyFNK 14:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk of a 4th Feature Film Prior to TMNT (2007)

This is mainly a concern more than it is an addition. A fellow hardcore TMNT fan from back in the day and myself were having a discussion, and it was brought up by him. It was brought to my attention that there was a 4th prior to this one coming out March of next year, which included a girl turtle. I have been looking all i can, and have not been able to find anything on it. I continued to do research and found others that have said the same thing. Why cant i seem to find out anything on this "Mysterious 4th Film."? If anyone knows anything, please e-mail me at twiztid_juggalo_reverend@hotmail.com so i can finally put this movie discussion between us to rest and move on to the next one.


It sounds like you're mistaking it with the Live-ACtion Series, they had a Female Turtle...

From what I've read they were gonna use the Next Mutation as the basis for a fourth film. There was also that Hallmark TV movie that was never made. User:Jay Verdi

On the official Mirage TMNT site in the Blast From the Past section http://www.planetracers.com/blast/prblastarchive.html there are some old conceptual sketches from early pre-production of a fourth live action movie. The concept was that the Turtles were going to mutate further and develop sort of superpowers that fit their personalities, ala Fantastic Four. (ie Mike could appear as human, Raph could morph into a monster, Don would go blind and get psychic powers) But any fourth live action film was ditched sortly after movie 3 was released I guess. I know this sounds far fetched but it's right there on the official site. You have to remember though these were early, early pre-production ideas and who knows what a fourth live action film would have been if it had really happened. But to answer your question, yes there were plans to do a fourth live action movie but they were scrapped early on. Danleary25 05:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to clear up what I just typed above. If you go to the official Mirage page http://wwww.ninjaturtles.com and go tot the site map the Blast From the Past link takes you to the Planet Tracers website which was a comic of Peter Laird's. That is where he did the Blast articles. The ones I was talking about which show early pre-pro sketches for the ill-fated TMNT IV movie are articles 36 through 40. Danleary25 05:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA

Fails criteria 6.c of WP:GA?, none of the images have fair use rationale. Image:Tmnt 7.jpg has a watermark on it and Image:Metal raphael toy.jpg has fansubs on it (we aren't supposed to support copyright violaters), so both of those should be replaced.

This is mostly just a quick fail based on the images, but the article also seems a little light on the citations, especially in the first half. This may not be a problem though, as most of the article seems fine from a quick glance through. Fix up the images and tweak the page some and nominate it for GA again. --SeizureDog 12:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Inspirations, Influences and Frank Miller

Can someone post some notes about the influences that originated TMNT in its first run at Mirage? I think anyone who knows the history of TMNT, the art and the story heavily resembled a parody of Frank Miller's gritty "Ninja" and "Japanese-themed" storylines seen in Marvel Comics' "Daredevil" and "Wolverine" limited series which were hugely popular at that time during the mid 1980's. Does anyone have any information on this which can be added to the article??? --Hokgwai 05:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

That information is currently contained the lead-in paragraphs, mentioning parodies of Daredevil, The New Mutants, and the influence of Jack Kirby and Frank Miller. Any further details (such as the influence of Cerebus, the Fantastic Four, Richard Corben, Star Wars, etc.) would probably be better off in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Mirage comics) article. --Wild Goose 13:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I added a note that it was Frank Miller's work on Dardevil that was an influence. If this is not appropriate, please advise.--Hokgwai 04:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw the noted reference link from Kevin Eastman himself regarding the influences for TMNT. Much thanks to whoever posted it....but in the text, someone only cited Frank Miller's Ronin as his influence. I truly feel that Frank Miller's run in Daredevil was just an important influence as K. Eastman noted in the reference. If it is okay, I am adding Daredevil as on of the influences in the opening text. If this is not useful, or appropriate please advise. Thanks. --Hokgwai 07:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Removed some vandalism, dont know if I did it correctly, didnt use revert. This page is linked to by slashdot, probably why it has been targeted.

Thanks --204.104.55.243 16:25, 4 January 2007

[edit] Lead-in picture

The replacement of the main picture may cause some controversy, so please feel free to discuss in this forum. The previous picture seemed to be fan art based on the 1990 movie, but we can't know for sure because the source of the image was not documented. The artist's rendition of the TMNT also struck me as very passive, which is inconsistent with their role as action-adventure heroes. The new image represents the Turtles in their most current and ubiquitous incarnation, that of the 2003 animated series. Since the Turtles have been interpreted in almost a dozen different ways in as many media, it's important that the introduction to this article includes a picture of the Turtles that casual Wikipedia users should be most familiar with. Wild Goose 20:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Aww. I liked the picture, but I do see where you're coming from with this one... The Pacifist 16:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
yeah, the older pic was pretty cool, but without documenting its source we can't really use it. But honestly, if we're going to use a logo, i think it should be the logo from the original tv show. This is just a personal preference though, that, honestly, i can't really justify very well in the context of this article. Maybe when it's no longer an active tv show we can revert to the old stuff, but for the time being i suppose it's appropriate to represent the franchise with the face they want to be seen. 172.150.177.151 07:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the picture should be from the most recent comic series, for reasons of showing the original incarnation in its most refined and defined form, if nothing else. This is the normal procedure for comic series that have been adapted into many forms (see Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Hellboy, Justice League, Sin City, X-Men, etc.). For what is basically a comic series that has been adapted due to its popularity, having a picture from an animated series seems amiss. --Switch 14:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to changing the lead-in picture, as long as the art does not confuse an average Wikipedia user looking for info about the mainstream Turtles. For better or worse, the Turtles will always be more closely identified with the cartoon than the comics. So the lead-in should be a full-color image of all four Turtles wearing their multi-colored masks. If you can find another image that's acceptable, by all means, feel free to replace the current lead-in. --Wild Goose 15:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't really mind which image is used, but I must say if it were to be a cartoon, it should be from the 1987 version. Just because the 2003 one is current, it doesn't mean it is more notable. The 1987 is much more well known... Davey4 10:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
By the way, imo the image that is there right now is no good as they do not have their individually colored masks. Davey4 10:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I am liking the current lead-in picture. --Switch 17:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Solicitation for new lead-in pic

Given the recent failure of our Good Article nomination (see above), I would like to invite a Wikipedia editor to contribute an original work of art, released under the GFDL, that can be used as a suitable lead-in picture for the main TMNT article. Please remember to include all four turtles in their multi-colored masks, preferably with their appropriate weapons. This is not a talent search. But my attempts to find a suitable image that does not violate any copyrights have not been successful, and I think this might be a good alternative to explore. Thanks for your help. --Wild Goose 17:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This new lead-in picture is terrible, in my opinion. There are two reasons. Firstly, this picture is not a fair illustration. It seems more like an artistic expression of the main protagonists, not an accurate representation of what they seriously look like. Second, I do not like the blaring advertisement for a domain at the bottom of the picture. This needs to be removed. 70.243.118.9 16:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Drug 80's Cartoon

If my memory doesn't fail me, I believe the TMNT were in a cartoon about a boy doing drugs with other famous cartoon characters of the time... someone (who rememberes more than I do) should add something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.23.91.8 (talk) 19:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

I believe it was called Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue. CurtDogg 22:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I forgot to check back, I just came back to this article to add that bit (wich I found in The Muppet Babies article).Vicco Lizcano 19:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC) (Tell me where I'm wrong)
To be accurate, only Michaelangelo appeared in that cartoon; none of the other TMNT characters did besides him. 75.70.123.215 (talk) 06:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Turtle monsters?

I remeber watching once some episodes where the turtles had some sort of "unstable mutation" and would ocasionaly turn into big, fat turtles with incerased strenght. There was also a boy pal of them, who turned into a "the-thing"-like yellow rock monster. The article failed to give any info on that, aparently.

You may want to look for that information here. --Wild Goose 01:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mask Colours

I'm adding mention of the fact that originally (and continuing in volume 4, based on the cover art) their masks were *all* red. FangsFirst 03:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

This is true. However, because it only applies to the Mirage Comics, it might be better to add a single sentence under the Mirage heading, rather than to repeat the same info four times for each of the Turtles. --Wild Goose 04:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Point taken. I considered that, but wasn't sure how to approach it. I think I'll do that. I in fact was going to until I noticed the characters all had parallel sentence structure as it was, so I shrugged and went ahead. Silly of me, I realize. Ah well, it can be fixed! FangsFirst 05:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
On re-reading, it appeared to fit better in the section about the original TV show, as it already references the fact that changes were made, and thus was a contextually appropriate addition. FangsFirst 05:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TMNT Lair

I think we need more information on the turtles underground home, either as a separate article or a sub-heading of the main page. I would do it myself but I don't have enough information.--203.59.107.145 19:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

203.59.107.145 henceforth known as --Teletran 10:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canclled Projects

Just a thought but should we include some info about Ninja Turtle movies and shows that almost were but werenever made. On the Official site they have the CGI cartoon pilot and stills from it, and concept art for a cartoon from WB.User:Jay Verdi

[edit] Pimiko

I just started the article. --HanzoHattori 13:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-Fictional???

Granted, I'm no wikipedia expert (or member for that matter), but how on Earth are TMNT "semi-fictional"? Is there any truth to this story of crime fighting mutant turtles? God, I hope there is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.162.34.152 (talk) 09:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Comparison and Cultural Reference

What happen to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comparison and cultural reference article? It use to be on here but it got deleted. Any way to restore the article?

[edit] No summarry?

I find it hard that there isn't a section talking about the storylines. I recently watch the 2007 movie and I want to catch up on the series but there isn't a section that gives a short summary over it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.51.120.128 (talk) 14:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Sadly, you'd have to look up on each indivual character article for that. Really, though, this article needs something of a plot summary to ever pass the GA or FA standards. Disinclination 04:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the reason you don't find plot summaries on this page is because the TMNT story has drastically changed over time, resulting in several parallel storylines running simultaneously in each medium. For this reason, most of the plot summaries have been spun off to the sub-pages, such as those specifically dealing with the Mirage comics, the 1987 series, the three live action films, and so forth. This was why the "Comparisons within TMNT" page was helpful, just to sort out all these changes that have occurred. But alas, it got marked for deletion. --Wild Goose 04:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michaelangelo or Michelangelo?

The article uses both, so this needs to be checked. --85.194.204.100

Early on, creators accidentally misspelled the name as Michaelangelo. It has since been corrected as Michelangelo. Unless specifically talking about the spelling error, the character should be known as Michelangelo. --Wild Goose 04:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Height, Age, and Weight

I've seen some sites(their myspace) list their height as being 5'2" and their weight 180 pounds(all of them the same), but that doesn't really sound right. I'm not sure if this myspace was official or not, but I've seen the same weights/heights listed on other sites too. Does anyone know their true age/weight/height

Those height and weight figures are consistent with the official TMNT site. But ages are a little trickier because it's never really been determined. The cartoon Turtles are usually assumed to be 15-16, but the Turtles in the Mirage comics are in their 30's. --Wild Goose 13:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Is that in human or turtle years? :) --Robotech_Master 03:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I added their height and weight to each of their pages.
will someone please add them with citations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.128.185.84 (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

It should be pointed out that they started in the comics at 15 and have continued aging in real time ever since.--Teletran 03:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures for characters

Is it possible that if we include a fair-use rational, we could re-upload the four "posters" for each of the characters that came with the 2007 movie? If not, should we use the comic book covers that are for each of the characters? Disinclination 19:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mirage Vol. 4 Canceled/Indefinite Hiatus?

Under the Mirage section of this article it mentions that Volume 4 (the most recent of the comics) went on an 8 month hiatus while Peter Laird supervised the new cgi film. However it has now been 12 months since the last of the Volume 4 comics was released. But what has really come to my attention is that on the official Mirage TMNT website (ninjaturtles.com) under the comics section it gives Volume 4 the dates 2001-2006, instead of 2001-Present, and says "On indefinite hiatus" beneath that. There are no further details on exactly why Laird has not published issue 29 of the series but it sounds like Volume 4's future is now in serious doubt. I think the end of the Mirage section should be edited to mention this (as well as the separate Mirage comics page which has the same info and where I left this same discussion). What does anyone elese think or have you heard further news on Volume 4's present state? Danleary25 04:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't heard about this. You're right, the info in the article should probably be changed. Feel free to edit it. --Wild Goose 12:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like that edit was made before I did it. However I revised it because it didn't seem accurate to the info I brought forward. The series was not placed on indefinite hiatus because of Laird's work on the movie. It was in fact placed on an eight month hiatus. But now some other reason for which Laird's has either not spoken publicly or has not been found for this page went on to change it to indefinite. Since so little info is currently available on the series' ending I think it's important to express exactly everything that happened, which only take two sentences. Danleary25 14:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

According to the main website (I contacted them to verify that it isn't a mistake) but Volume 4 shall resume its run beginning in May. 1808Productions (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cowabunga?

How to spell that? 84.58.150.105 22:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yup, that's the correct spelling. BTW, please add new discussion topics to the bottom of the page. Thanks. --Wild Goose 23:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:TMNT-Coming Out of Their Shells.jpg

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[edit] Titan's UK TMNT comic

Added a reference to Titan Uk's current TMNT comic. If anyone wants to expand that would be great.

[edit] TMNT Fast Forward Info Removed

Info regarding it seemed too specific for an article as general as this one, and would be better served in TMNT 2003's own article, I felt. Plus, it seemed to deal more with the Lost Season 5 than Fast Forward itself.

Ian 65.218.145.47 17:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For TMNT fans...

I know this got nothing to do with the article, but for fans of the franchise, these userboxes are for you!

(o)(o) This user prefers the Turtles with pupils.
{{User:Jw21/deUBdomain/tmnt pupils}} whatlinkshere
( ) ( ) This user prefers the Turtles without pupils.
{{User:Jw21/deUBdomain/tmnt no pupils}} whatlinkshere

Yes, I remember a time when the Turtles had no pupils in the original Eastman & Laird comic, then some guy thought of adding the pupils in the cartoon, and the movies have the pupils, while the present cartoon don't have the pupils... you get the idea. I believe the TMNT community is divided with the new movie's inclusion of pupils, so... these are for you! --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits)'NUCKS:4-6-0 18:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Sweet, dude. Make mine no pupils and all red masks for life! --Wild Goose 15:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
There ya go, man! Hope it doesn't look Christmacy or anything... XD In fact, I copied exactly you wanted... "no pupils and all red masks for life!", right? Also added a link to the original comic, and a small link... to the historic discussion! XD Enjoy! --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits)'NUCKS:4-6-0 01:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
( ) ( ) This user prefers the original Turtles - no pupils and all red masks for life!

{{User:Jw21/deUBdomain/tmnt no pupils and red mask}} whatlinkshere

Awesome 76.173.92.70 01:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Technodrome

Why not restore the Technodrome article? The Technodrome is a very important thing in the 1987 TMNT cartoon, and the Archie TMNT Adventures Comics. Especially the 1987 TMNT cartoon. It's like "removing" the Death Star article from Star Wars. When I think of a season in the series, I often think of the Technodrome's location. / Johan1982 22:40, 31 December 2007 (CET)

[edit] Leonardo only described as using katana?

every incarnation identifies his swords as "katana."

I have a pretty firm memory of the Palladium TMNT RPG describing Leo as using Daisho. This was a looooong time ago, however, so I could be mistaken. Pseudo Intellectual (talk) 17:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Main character names

I'm not a TMNT fan, so the Main Characters section made no sense to me. Why is Michaelangelo called "Zrob," and what does it mean when it says "he is named after Patrick Robbins?" Similarly, it calls Raphael "Jazzbo," and says he is named after Val Tolbert; Michaelangelo is called "Mick dude 08" and "named after Ron Lankford;" and Donatello is missing entirely, though it says that the fourth Turtle, "Neil," is named after "the lunch lady nancy yunker" (sic). I do not understand what any of this means! 163.192.21.44 (talk) 21:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Terry Rosie

Someone keeps adding Terry Rosie to the list of main characters. Can someone who's more familiar with the show back me up on the reverts I've been doing? Thanks, FCSundae ∨☃ (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll back you, I googled and yahoo searched for the name and I got nothing related TMNT. Plus, the person is trying to add this supposed character to a Main Character listing, there should be numerous episodes this "Terry" appears in and even then, Karai isn't mentioned in the Main Character list and she has been in nearly EVERY reincarnation of the TMNT franchise. Bekkie (talk) 16:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] TMNT 3

Some one keeps deleting the third tmnt movie! who is it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bottomlivefan95 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Check the edit history. Rau's Speak Page 21:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)