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[edit] The Helpers

HEY! ARE YOU A FAN OF Family Guy! DO YOU WANNA GET ALL THERE DVDs! DO YOU WANNA SLEEP WITH MEG! IF YOUR ANSWERES ARE YES YES YES, than why, she's ugly. IF YOUR ANSWERES ARE YES YES NO, THAN JOIN THE FAMILY GUY HEPERS! JOIN NOW! JOIN NOW! JOIN NOW!--BrianGriffin-FG 18:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Speaks with an English pronunciation?

Stewie's pronunciation is currently listed as English English. Is this correct? I wouldn't know English English from British English myself.

Usually when an american actor does an English accent, one can find online 'Enry 'Igginses who critique the performance in meticulous (and disparaging) terms, often with claims of ability to geolocate English speech within a few city blocks. Do we have any of this for Stewie? With sources please? / edgarde 09:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Stewie speaks with an upperclass english english accent.

Yea stewies accent is upper calss Eniglish Enigish Stewiechewie 15:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It is a Upper class Boston or New England Brahmin accent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.112.4 (talk) 03:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

for examples of Boston Brahim follow these links, I hope this is helpful and enlightens all to what his accent is

http://www.gazzaro.it/accents/sound/Boston(UClass2).mp3

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6IbJcIceh44 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chef Fincher (talk • contribs) 04:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stewie's accent is "upper-class British English"

Surely Stewie's accent is "upper-class British-English accent". not > "Upper Class English accent". I think my correction is what the original author intended. Gregpalmerx 21:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no such thing as a "British English accent". The Scots and the Welsh sound nothing like the English.
But, for the record, Stewie's accent is not really an English accent at all. It certainly sounds like it sometimes but at other times it sounds like a strangely refined American accent, maybe like an upper-class Bostonian. (I'm not sure how exactly to describe it, I'm not familiar enough with New England accents.) I think it probably is meant to be an English accent, but I think faux-English is the best description, because it so often seems to break down. Nick 00:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought it was a Mid-Atlantic accent. Trolleytimes 03:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't Talk:Stewie Griffin be better place to discuss this? After all, this can only help that article. TheBlazikenMaster 20:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. There even exists a section beginning this discussion. / edg ☺ ☭ 20:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

if he's supposed to have an english accent why does he pronouce words like american english e.g he says aluminum instead of aluminium —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.151.142 (talk) 10:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what I notice about it, that it can't be a real English accent with so many American pronunciations. My guess is that it's meant to be upper-class English, but Seth MacFarlane just doesn't do a perfect rendition (he's only human). This would explain why no Henry Higginses can pin it down. That's why I suggested "faux-English" before. Google brought up a better phrase: my new suggestion is "speaks with an affected upper-class English accent." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick81 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


your right, its not an U.K. English accent. Its upper class Boston or New England Brahim. much like Winchester on MASH. Its sounds similar to U.K. English to American ears, but of course has distinct american characteristics that any Englishman would notice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.112.4 (talk) 04:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

for examples of Boston Brahmin follow these links, I hope this is helpful and enlightens all to what his accent is

http://www.gazzaro.it/accents/sound/Boston(UClass2).mp3

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6IbJcIceh44 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.112.4 (talk) 04:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

We could use sources for this, since our guesswork is original research which is likely to be challenged, and we don't know the creator's intent. It is possible for instance that Boston Brahim is what comes out when MacFarlane tries to do "upper class British". / edg ☺ ☭ 05:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

very true, but if I intend to do an english accent, yet a southern accent comes out, is it not a southern accent despite intent? The arguement is what accent does he have, not what accent Seth intended, Besides, since Stewie lives in New England it certainly makes more sense for him to have a New England Brahmin accent than one from across the pond. Its also noteworthy that he has an overbearing sense of superiority and right, which is more common amoung the upper class brahmins than typical English folk. But despite my arguments your position still remains true, a concrete source is necessary. But I remain steadfast that it be labled Boston Brahmin, since thats what it sounds like. Stewies accent doesn't sound very British, but its almost perfect Brahmin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chef Fincher (talk • contribs) 05:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

It definately sounds more Brahim than British to me. And doesn't anybody remember One If by Clam, Two If by Sea, where Stewie disparaged Eliza's accent and tried to teach her to speak properly? Why would Stewie mock his own accent? xp

K00bine (talk) 15:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


So we all agree that it's not a good rendition of an upper-class English accent. Either MacFarlane is aiming for a Boston Brahmin accent and getting it right, or he's aiming for the upper-class English accent and accidentally speaking with Boston Brahmin accent. Chef Fincher is right, we can't know what he was aiming for but we do know what he achieved. It also sounds a bit like "Mid-atlantic" but that would be inappropriate as Stewie has no known connection to the UK. I think we all agree, so I'm going to change it to:

Stewie speaks with a Boston Brahmin accent and the vocabulary of an adult, which is exaggerated for comic effect

Nick (talk) 17:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

PS K00bine, Eliza speaks with a Cockney accent, therefore anyone who's not a Cockney could mock it.

I'm sorry - listening to the examples given, stewie's accent is not Brahmin... in my opinion it is clearly upper-middle class english english. Its near perfect, although any performance is bound to have the occassional flaw. It is certainly not upper class english; for that you need only watch the episode where they go to britain for the rendition of the upper class accent which is considerably more absurd!

There is, in relation to the above comment about there being no known connection to the UK, I agree no rational explanation for such an accent, however there is no logical explanation for a talking dog either.

Either way, a source somewhere would help any definition of the accent, so I will go out into the WWW and have a look.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Toomanynotes (talk • contribs) 19:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't hear in Stewie what is described in the article Boston Brahmin accent. Since Stewie is being serially added and removed from that article (without sources), it doesn't help settle this discussion. I would add that since MacFarlane intended Stewie to be like a Bond villain and Rex Harrison, some kind of english seems the likely intent. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
New point: In the episode "Peterotica", there is a short aside in which the characters are portrayed as cheaply made versions of themselves (the drawing is jagged and all the voices are done in a cheap/exaggerated fashion). Stewies accent changes to an umistakeable cockney English accent. I think the inference from them is clear that his 'normal' (non-cheap) accent is meant to be upper-middle class English. His accent is certainly not "upper-class" English however (that would be more along the lines of the way the Royal Family speak; which is significantly more affected). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.71.246 (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't help but state honestly here that in my opinion, Stewie's accent is definitely NOT fully English, upper-class or otherwise. I am English, and if someone were to come along with an accent like his, it would stand out as being somehow out of place. His pronunciation is similar to received-pronunciation English at times, but the overall sound of his speech simply cannot be called 'English'- it's more similar to the synthesis of American and English used by, for example, Frasier Crane, in my opinion, albeit slightly different- this article seems to detail it all well enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_English (despite probably having some areas of conflict with Stewie's accent) See the following link for received pronunciation English accents for comparison if you like: http://web.ku.edu/idea/special/RP/pmeier.mp3 http://web.ku.edu/idea/europe/england/england65.mp3 I hope this is of some use. Ashiyura (talk) 01:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It's definately not an English accent and rather than finding out what it IS why isn't it just removed as we have no reference to what sort of accent it's meant to be so why make any claims with regards to it at all? It is after all just a cartoon character voice and cartoons are not meant to be accurate representations of real life - it's meant to be a voice that sounds amusing. Muleattack (talk) 11:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Relatives overkill

I consider the following two additions overkill for the Infobox. I'd favor removing them both, but am especially concerned about Olivia.

[edit] Siblings: Bertram

Two episodes, but not a regular character. Only interacts with Stewie if I recall correctly — could even be a fantasy. / edg ☺ ★ 11:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

dissagrement. bertam is an enourmous character, being the only person on the show, save possibly brian, who can come close to matching sewies wits, and thats incredible --Gen. S.T. Shrink *Get to the bunker* 00:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wife (putative): Olivia Fuller

Added three times this week. [1] [2] [3]

The grounds to call Olivia a wife is incredibly flimsy. Obviously this was never a legal marriage, even by the indifferent continuity standards of this show. The single-episode "marriage" is consistently presented as kiddie make-believe, like their cardboard house, and day job Stewie comes home from. If my memory serves me well, dinner was made of Play-Doh.

I'm not a legal authority, but Putative marriage seems to be an old-ish Catholic concept that may not extend to kiddie make-believe marriage. Really this is quite a stretch. / edg ☺ ★ 11:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not overkill and in any case, Wikipedia is not paper. First of all, Bertram's got his own frigging article where Peter, Chris, Meg, and Stewie are linked. He also appears in the FG video game which gives him independent significance outside the 2 episodes he was in. As for Olivia, the article on putative marriage does not limit its definition to Catholicism. While bigamy/lack of proper divorce is the most cited example of a legal impediment to marriage, any legal impediment including the underage of a spouse will do. I have tried to get this point across to you through edit summaries twice. The cardboard house, etc., is irrelevant - Stewie and Olivia acted as if a married couple. That's all the analysis requires. Until Seth MacFarlane comes out and says no, the whole thing's a fake, the fact remains that they were putatively married. If you want to think about it as a play marriage, fine. But in Stewie's mind, they were married. I don't see the big deal with either Bertram or Olivia. Wl219 12:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
If your children play house, do they have a putative marriage? If your son goes about saying the girl he plays house with is his wife, and he really doesn't understand that she is not, is that girl now really a "relative"?
The idea that Stewie is in a "putative marriage" is (at best) original research, and should not be included in this article. Video games notwithstanding. / edg ☺ ★ 13:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
It's fiction. Weird things can happen in fiction. Like a talking megalomaniac baby and a talking dog. You accept this or else you wouldn't watch FG. And it's not OR if it's stating a verifiable fact. Fact: we saw in the episode Stewie and Olivia going about as if they were married. Nothing about that is OR. Wl219 14:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
You are all taking this seriously. It is a comedic show, with comedic happenings. they weren't LEGALLY married; but in his mind, she was his wife (until he burned her alive.) so she should be listed. It is NOT OR, because they were married, and it can be referenced. Ono 17:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
STOP!!! I read the article on putative marriage, which was short, and it said that it had to be legaly reconized. It was not, so it's not a legal marriage. STILL NOT DONE--BrianGriffin-FG 22:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I have to ask. What does STILL NOT DONE mean? / edg ☺ ★ 00:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Removed this per BrianGriffin-FG. Declaring Olivia a family member via "putative marriage" constitutes a WP:OR synthesis. This would not recognized anywhere as a putative marriage. Arguments based on "it's a cartoon — anything can happen" are not supported since the show does not call this a putative marriage. / edg ☺ ★ 00:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

It clearly doesn't count episode-to-episode. Infoboxes are meant to be neat overviews, not fancrufty in-universe biographies.~ZytheTalk to me! 17:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I do that STILL NOT DONE thing when I start saying somthing and I have to go and I mean to come back and finish it. Unfortunitly, I completly forgot to come back and I don't even remember what my point was going to be. I think that the marriage should be mentioned as many times that it needs to be, but it shouldn't in a catagory. That is all. --BrianGriffin-FG 18:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe that habit isn't very helpful to others.
Perhaps in the intervening months you've forgotten the original point here, but the question is should this be included in the infobox. / edg ☺ ★ 18:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


She was still his wife regardless!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.221.176 (talk) 06:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wizard magazine citation

Could someone who has a copy of Wizard magazine #177 please fill in the correct title for that citation? Would help to also have author and other details per {{cite journal}}.

I'm not sure "95th greatest villain of all time" in a mag dedicated to mostly-american cartoons is that notable, but for now just having the citation correct is enough for me. / edg ☺ ★ 01:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

A one year old baby being the 95th greatest villain of all time is a pretty fucking big achivment i feel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.102.130 (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps for a real baby it would be. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of his name

As an adult he's named Stu, as a baby, it's Stewie... are we positive his name is Stewart, not Stuart? Arthurian Legend 21:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I always thought his name was spelled "Stuart" Stewiechewie 15:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

nope, it is 100% stewie. in the episode Arthurian legend is refering too, he does all he can to distance himself from stewie. lokk up his bio on http://www.familyguy.com/ --Gen. S.T. Shrink *Get to the bunker* 00:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I like to watch the with the captions on, to get the quotes right, and in an really early episode that mentioned his full-first name, I think that is was spelled "Stuart". I'm not sure if that was a captions mistake (because I've seen a few of them) or that was the original spelling of his name, I don't know. --BrianGriffin-FG 18:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Wait, I think that it was in the TBS version of "Stu & Stewie's Exelent Advevture" that I caught it. --BrianGriffin-FG

I think that on the back of the dvd box for "Stu & Stewie's Exelent Advevture" his name is spelt Stuart. I may be wrong but l think that it is. Ssm777 (talk) 23:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stewie's voice

David Hyde Pierce IS the voice of Stewie! It said so in the Family Guy 100th episode clip show! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.138.236 (talk) 23:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That was a sarcastic remark made by seth mcfarlane in response to a woman askin the stupid question of who does stewie's voice. Seth does all the voices of the family except chris, meg and lois [4] which are voiced by Seth Green- chris Mila Kunis- meg & Alex Borstein- loisDethfan216 20:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

We need to keep in mind that much of what MacFarlane says publicly is in jest. For example, off-the-cuff japes from MacFarlane interviews are sometimes reported breathlessly on Wikipedia as if they were serious/official announcements, especially when referring to a Family Guy movie. / edg ☺ ☭ 02:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's Seth because David Hyde Pierce isn't even in the credits. Northern (talk) 23:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Heritage (infobox)

Hey. I was just wondering why in the infobox it says Stewie is of German descent?

It isn't cited, so is it vandalism? Cf38 (talk) 16:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

In the episonde "The Griffin Family History" Peter talks about an ansestor who was a cousin to Adolf Hitler, this shows that Stewie has Ausraian ansestors. Although Peter also talks about many other nationalities of Griffins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stewiechewie (talk • contribs) 00:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] People understand Stewie

When Peter talks about how he dislikes the Godfather Stewie Remarks "How can you say you don't like it if you haven't even given it a chance?" and Lois responds "I agree with Stewie, It's not really fair."

Look on Youtube under "Peter Griffin dislikes The Godfather" and you can hear the whole clip. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.77.153 (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

the section about stewie's communcation with others should include a third section: everyone else. 'cause he doesnt only talk with brian or adults. in the episode where he goes to high school, he talks with all his classmates perfectly. in all the episodes were he's at his daycare (or at other functions with babies), he talks to the babies just fine, including bertram. Death talks with him, when he comes to visit.

and as for his accent/dialect, i would call it "Transplanted American English". its as if a very educated american moved to england and has been there for a while. he would still speak with american pronounciation, while using british expressions. Ivansevil (talk) 01:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

yea but Stewie isnt a very educated american who has moved to england and lived there for a while Ssm777 (talk) 22:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stewie getting hurt

I noticed there's a bunch of episodes where Stewie gets hurt by Peter by some kind of odd means. For instance, in Brian Sings and Swings, Peter picks Stewie up and throws him at Brian. I know there's another episode where this happens...Not sure if it's noteworthy though. 76.224.111.120 (talk) 20:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] STEWIE GRIFFIN IS DEFINITELY AND OFFICIALLY GAY

Seth MacFarlane has officially outed Stewie. Here's an article: [5]. Sorry if you think I'm being rude with all the capital letters. I just wanted you to notice this. Maybe we could change "Ambiguous sexuallity" to "Homosexuality," but still mention all of his relationships with girls despite his orientation? It's just a thought. Immblueversion (talk) 19:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah the allcaps detract from the statement's credibility considerably.
My opinion: MacFarlane isn't defining a rule so much as stating an uncertain but likely outcome. I'd say stay with Ambiguous until Stewie has a (broadcast) coming out episode. And even then, that won't negate 5-6 seasons of "ambiguity". It'll just be "in season x Stewie declared himself homosexual and in subsequent storylines has been consistently gay, despite being decidedly pre-adolescent".
If someone can talk the Family Guy producers into giving us a free use graphic of Stewie with a rainbow flag or something, I'll change my tune, a little. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Removed this section as it was repeated twice in the same section of the article. Feel free to revert if I did this incorrectly.

Stewie has cross-dressed in several episodes.[14][15] Stewie is shown reacting with spontaneous enthusiasm to brief homosexual encounters in several episodes, and in "Chick Cancer" he wishes men could "get together with their buddies, and just have it be the same thing as being with a woman". A few episodes depict Stewie imagining vaguely homoerotic adventures with his teddy bear, Rupert.[16] Stewie has also cross-dressed in several episodes.[17][18] In several situations Stewie is implied to have a crush on Brian,[19] and tries to trick Brian into having sex with him.[20]

Mulcibersforge (talk) 18:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for catching this. I suggest including an edit summary so other editors will understand the reason for the deletion. / edg ☺ ☭ 21:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Creator intent counts for nought?~ZytheTalk to me! 23:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
If you're talking about Stewie being gay, sources say this intent did not exist in the first season, and in season 4 the gay arc was abandoned, the intent then making Stewie deliberately ambiguous and perhaps polymorphously perverse (e.g. "I smell a dirty diaper!", the flagpole, the sadomasochism episode). What I infer from the The Advocate quote is in season 6 they've done so many gay gags that it now makes sense that Stewie is gay and doesn't realize it. If you have a source for "creator intent", please add it; we need more real-world information. / edg ☺ ☭ 23:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

I got a message when I added Catholic upbringing to the indeterminate next to Stewie's religion saying don't add controversial uncited material, but considering the Griffin family is Catholic, as protrayed since the first episode when Peter takes Communion when Lois says bad things happen when he drinks, wouldn't Stewie by that fact have a Catholic upbringing? I mean he is a baby, so it's possible that the Griffins could convert and raise him something else, but as of now he definately has a Catholic upbringing

[edit] Stewie's Full Name

The article needs someone to input the episode "Stewie B. Goode" (Stewie says his full name when he says that he will be good) or "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure" (his full name is shown at the first part of the episode where they show a picture of Stewie) as a citation for Stewie's full name in his article.

209.148.130.235 (talk) 02:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fluctuatation of Stewie's Understanding of things and his sexuality

I think it should be noted that Stweies understanding on the subject and use of objects and/or serv ices, sex, sex terms, sexuality, and most adult issues varies from episode to episode.

Though he has had Toliet Training, he s seen in another episode as being afraid to use it. However in another episode he tells louis he flushed a daiper.

He also has acted unaware of what the term Gay means, but he has said "There's always been a lot of tension between Lois and me, and it's not so much that I want to kill her, it's just I want her not to be alive anymore. Ah, I sometimes wonder if all women are this difficult, and then I think to myself: My God, wouldn't it be marvelous if I turned out to be a homosexual?" in the episode "fithteen minutes of shame."

Also in the episode "Peteroica" he is practicing olypic style gymnatistc and he says that its note gay, which would indicate his understanding of the term and how it can be used. But at the end of the episode "Chick Cancer" which takes place after "Peteroica" he learns the meaning of gay from Brian.

In the episode Road to "Road to Rhode Island" he is shown to be unable to use a phone to call home, but in "Mother Tucker" Stweies is able to call brian at the radio sation multiple times ot taunt him. This would indicate he was intelegent enough to find the number, where he was perviosuly unable to. He is also able to use a cell phone in the episode "A Fish out of Water"

And in many episodes he knows what sex ism and yet he doesn't. In the episode "You May Now Kiss the...Uh...Guy Who Receives" He heard Brian's cousin and his life partner/future husband having sex, but when he was married to Oliva in "Chick Cancer" he acts like not having sex is getting to him, but when asked if he even knows what it is he says somethign about cake.

There are a lot of other things but i can't think of them now.Yami (talk) 03:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category

Should Stewie's article be placed in something like Category:Fictional LGBT characters or Category:Fictional gay men? I think there have been enough hints in the series that we know Stewie is either gay or bi, and MacFarlane has said that "Stewie is almost certainly gay" and "we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character."

At the very least, we know he isn't straight, so one of the two categories should apply to his article.--DrBat (talk) 03:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

He is 1, and not gay!! Until he actually comes out on the show, he is straight! This is what we go through with Waylon Smithers on The Simpsons. Yes, everyone knows he is gay, but until it comes out in an episode, he is straight! Ctjf83Talk 04:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Category:Fictional gay men does not work because Stewie is not a man. I'd be okay with Category:Fictional LGBT characters. / edg ☺ ☭ 04:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
What part of he is not gay or bi do you guys not understand?! Show me in the article where Seth says "he is gay", he says almost certainly, but not 100%. Until he actually comes out in the show, he is not gay or bi Ctjf83Talk 05:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Why are you getting so bent out of shape over this?
There have been more than enough signs to show that he's not straight. Anything else is denial. --DrBat (talk) 13:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm hardly getting bent out of shape, I don't like inaccuracies in any article. You're taking bits and pieces of what MacFarlene said and twisting them into a lie that Stewie is gay. Ctjf83Talk 17:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Are you serious? If you think Stewie is straight, you're in denial. --DrBat (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
LMFAO, please, if I'm not in denial about myself in real life, why would I be about a cartoon character?! Ctjf83Talk 20:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know; the creator says he's gay, he's written as being gay, and for some reason you think he's straight. --DrBat (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
MacFarlene never said he is gay until you get that into your head, this convo is going to go back and forth and be useless!!! Ctjf83Talk 20:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
No, MacFarlane only said that "Stewie is almost certainly gay" and "we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character."
If someone is "almost certainly gay," chances are they're more likely going to be gay than straight. --DrBat (talk) 20:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
But until it's 100%, he is straight, I don't know why you are having a problem with waiting till he is 100% gay before putting it in. oftentimes as if, often doesn't mean every time. almost certainly, doesn't mean he is. You are just adding assumptions in. Why are you having a problem waiting until he comes out as gay in the show??? Ctjf83Talk 20:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Listen, I'm sorry that this has gotten heated/personal, but I don't like being accused of "[putting] lies and inaccuracies into the article." See Wikipedia:Assume good faith. I think we should both try being more civil.
I don't think Stewie needs to say he's gay; there's been more than enough signs that at the very least he's bi. He has romantic fantasies about Rupert, who's a masculine man in his fantasies, he's shown attraction to other men (ie, Brian and Dylan), ect ect. It's not like it's a case of a character just being effeminate and people assuming he's gay, or whatever. --DrBat (talk) 13:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think bad faith accusations are helpful here—there is a legitimate difference of opinion, and both parties are acting in good faith. Let's keep it WP:CIVIL and try to frame the discussion in terms of what Wikipedia policy dictates, rather than debating interpretations of what we've seen on the show.
I have asked for feedback from Category talk:Fictional LGBT characters and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies. We might also ask WP:3O. None of this is particularly urgent. / edg ☺ ☭ 15:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I just want to know why DrBat is wanting to put he is gay or bi without a 100% confirmation in the show of Stewie actually saying it? Ctjf83Talk 17:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Fictional gay men certainly seems inaccurate. As for fictional LGBT characters, it does not appear certain that he is G or B (and I've seen nothing to indicate that T would be relevant), but maybe we should think about an expanded version of the acronym, LGBTQQ, where the Q's can be queer and questioning. From the section above this one, it seems like he at least would fit as questioning. Should that qualify the article for the LGBT cat though (which does not have the QQ listed, but perhaps should)? Also, let me point out the obvious, and state that this is not a BLP. Aleta Sing 17:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
This isn't a WP:BLP. Is "100% confirmation" the standard for fictional characters? I really don't know.
It usually irks me when confused types start "gay" tagging for lame reasons, and I would generally prefer to be cautious about this categorization, especially when not explicit. (Not to mention any situational categorization for FG characters.) However, with Stewie I can see a case for LGBT, and I think with the The Advocate article we have a reasonable third-party source on Stewie's sexuality being identified in critical sources independent from the show, and notable in the real world. I think for several reasons Stewie cannot be categorized as a "gay" "man" (he's probably neither, definitions depending), but I think Category:Fictional LGBT characters makes sense, and as compromises go is a workable middle ground. / edg ☺ ☭ 17:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I just don't like to put anything in, unless it is 100%. Nowhere does MacFarlene specifically come out and stay Stewie is gay. This is the same problem we have with Waylon Smithers on The Simpsons. We all know he is gay, even more so than Stewie, but we don't list it, until he comes out on the show. Explain to me what the rush is to put it in, instead of waiting for the show to tell us?? I still haven't gotten that answer! Ctjf83Talk 17:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the threshold of an official pronouncement exists in this case. Stewie is a fictional character, and if MacFarlane while wearing his pope's hat stated Stewie is gay and retroactively always has been this would not meaningfully change the early episodes where no one writing this character considered him gay or gave him such material. Were this a BLP, then yes this threshold would exist. As for what "the rush is", I assure you I don't care if it ever goes in. / edg ☺ ☭ 18:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Why do you keep on using exclamation marks, like you're yelling? --DrBat (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Because I feel like a broken record, do you have an answer yet, DrBat? Ctjf83Talk 19:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I've already given my answer above. I'm not going to repeat myself again.
And screaming in almost of all your posts doesn't help with anything. Things probably wouldn't have gotten so heated if you had just kept your tone in a calm and respectful manner. --DrBat (talk) 19:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
All I see is MacFarlene this and MacFarlene that, I don't see why you won't wait till he comes out on the show Ctjf83Talk 19:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Fine, I'll just repost what I said above. I don't think Stewie needs to say he's gay; there's been more than enough signs that at the very least he's bi. He has romantic fantasies about Rupert, who's a masculine man in his fantasies, he's shown attraction to other men (ie, Brian and Dylan), ect ect. It's not like it's a case of a character just being effeminate and people assuming he's gay, or whatever. --DrBat (talk) 19:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
(ec) It appears that the show has made him deliberately ambiguous with regards to his sexuality, and this very ambiguity is notable. The question is can we categorize him in the Fictional LGBT category based upon this. I think it is appropriate: his sexuality is an issue. If this were a BLP, we could not categorize him wihout his coming out, but it is fictional, and there is plenty of documentation about the issue. What we can't do is say "Stewie is gay", or "Stewie is bisexual". (Sorry I forgot to sign before... Aleta Sing 20:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC))
What ever, I don't care anymore. Inaccuracies and assumptions like this is why the Family Guy wikiproject "rip(s)off [the] WikiProject The Simpsons as much as possible" and not the other way around. So put what you guys want. Ctjf83Talk 20:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... I have nothing to do with the Family Guy (or Simpsons) wikiproject. I answered a call to the LGBT project requesting comments. Aleta Sing 20:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)