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[edit] Christmas/holidays

pokemon supports christmas and christianity with the CD, christmas Bash. this causes controversy from non-christioan groups. should this be added under Controversy? i'm new and trying the language. BrainiacMatt (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Proof? No proof, we can't verify or add it. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 19:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll rephrase myself: Find a newspaper article or news article that states or agrees with what you're saying. Until one is found, we can not add this to the article. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 20:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archive 3

Thanks MelicansMatkin for creating archive #3! New year, new archive, and a fresh talk page! Cheers, Face 13:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monster In My Pocket

A large section with statements labeled unreferenced since February 2007 was recently removed (by another editor). I don't know whether this was truely appropriate or not, but in any case I think discussion on those claims is warranted. Strangely, there seems to be no discussion about this in any of the past archives.

One of the claims was that Nintendo chose the name "Pokemon" in the US instead of "Pocket Monsters" like in Japan because of a lawsuit brought by the holders of the trademark "Monster In My Pocket". It's strange there wouldn't be more discussion over this, because as a person who was a fan of this franchise when it first came to the US (I was in middle school), I remember this controversy; possibly because I also remember playing the "Monster In My Pocket" NES game some years before that!

Unfortunately, this controversy is ancient in internet terms - 1998, that's like 4 years after the birth of the web! - and so I can't find many sources on this, and so even though I personally remember this issue, I'd have to agree we need to dig up some information before including it in the article

The best I could find was this article from 2001

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5072/is_46_23/ai_80165415

It would support a claim like "Pokemon was originally called Pocket Monsters before coming to the United States in 1998", and another claim that there was a lawsuit over this trademark (Note that the judge ruled in Nintendo's favor, so I suspect they could have used Pocket Monsters in the US if they chose), but to claim one implied the other would be speculative (original research) even though it seems likely.

Anyone care to help digging up information? It's a little difficult since most of the results are archived (often old) versions of this article itself! Wikipedia is a victim of its own success in that regard. - TheBilly (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Dear TheBilly,

I personally do not believe that Nintendo ever planned to call the franchise "Pocket Monsters" in Euro-America. So far, apart from your article, I have found 4 additional sources about this, but they seem to contradict each other.

First of all, an article on gamingtarget.com and an academic case study about Pokémon mention the name "Pocket Monsters". The first one states:

"Poketto Monsutaa debuted in Japan where Nintendo published and released the Game Freak creation in February 1996. Poketto Monsutaa is translated to Pocket Monsters in English, but that would have to change to the popular contraction Pokemon once the game was exported to other countries. This was because in the 1990s, Morrison Entertainment Group established a brand called “Monsters in My Pocket,” which sounds similar to Pocket Monsters. However, despite Nintendo’s name change, Morrison sued anyway and lost."

The latter one, however, states:

"The original title printed on the game cartridge and box was "Pocket Monsters." As this name has potentially salacious connotations in English, the abbreviated "Pokemon" was used as the general name."

The case study does not mention the Monster In My Pocket suit. Instead, it says that Nintendo never even wanted to name its newest franchise Pocket Monster, because it has "potentially salacious connotations". Sounds dubious, but the extreme cultural adaptation of the anime for the North-American market is well-documented: every detail that could remind children about sex was removed.

Both texts do not verify these statements unfortunately. However, if I would choise which one to believe, I would choise the case study, because it was written for a course in consumer behaviour by someone who was, at that time, an assistant professor at the Emerson College. It is a very detailed paper about the history of Pokémon and uses a lot references. The article on gamingtarget.com by contrast, does not lists its sources, and only a small part of it is about Pokémon's history.

As for the lawsuit, I have found two other sources about it. The latter quotes directly from the opinion of the court:

"The marks are significantly different in sight and sound. The two marks look very different when written out as text. Pokemon is a single word with seven letters and an accented e. In contrast, Monster in My Pocket contains four separate words, two of which begin with m."

Both texts imply that the suit was not about the name "Pocket Monsters" at all. I think Morrison actually claimed that the name "Pokémon" was the problem.

Unless someone asks some Nintendo official, we can not be sure about this. However, my opinion is that we have too little proof to assume that Nintendo wanted it's franchise to be called "Pocket Monsters", and to much proof to refute this. So in short: I say we do not make this claim in the article.

Hope this helped.

Cheers, Face 22:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chile's "Pokemon Subculture"

The consensus building process has now been violated twice, despite my asking objecting parties to explain the addition of this poorly sourced paragraph instead of edit-warring over it. First of all, I speak enough Spanish to know that this "source" is not claiming that a "Pokemon Subculture" exists. The "source" does not seem to support or make notable much of text being inserted into the article. Secondarily, this is a blog. It doesn't matter if it's hosted on a newspaper website, it's a blog. I see no evidence of editorial review or authority in this piece, and it does not appear to be making sensible claims - not to mention, no one is doing a good job of contextualizing or translating this "source" - what does this mean: People from Pokémon subculture claim that they're different to emos in that they not predict with the depressing thematical. ?? So does anyone actually want to discuss this, or just edit war over it? --Cheeser1 (talk) 19:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

According to a footnote from WP:SPS (the self-published source policy):

Some newspapers host interactive columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control. Where a news organization publishes the opinions of a professional but claims no responsibility for the opinions, the writer of the cited piece should be attributed (e.g. "Jane Smith has suggested..."). Posts left by readers may never be used as sources.

Thus, the El Mercurio blog would technically be considered acceptable source; I will assume good faith, seeing your interpretation of Wikipedia's no-sourcing-blogs policy as a little misunderstanding. I do agree, however, that the subculture claim should be cleaned up a little. However, since this such Chilean claim is supported for now only by this Spanish-language site, it does raise up concerns over WP:RSUE. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I see no evidence that "the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control." It just seems to exist as part of their site. Perhaps I'm missing some Spanish small print, but it looks like blog-musings to me (and some pretty far-fetched ones at that). --Cheeser1 (talk) 03:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Very well then. I removed the edit for now...also exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and I'm doubtful that just one sub-translated El Mercurio questionable Spanish-language blog post is gonna make the alleged "subculture" notable. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Some pictures that may prove that the existence of this subculture has been acknowledged by Chilean media... I have no idea which tv show these came from, though: [1] [2] Esn (talk) 16:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Here are some more from a more reliable source: [3]. Time to reinstate this section, maybe? Esn (talk) 16:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Once again, a photogallery from a Chinese newspaper about Chilean kids who call their little hipster clique "Pokemon" for no apparent reason (they aren't playing Pokemon, they're wearing makeup and wacky hair and dancing at clubs) - this does not make a subculture. Even if this is what they call their little clique, how is it relevant to this article? I could name my dog "Pokemon" but that doesn't make it related to Pokemon. --Cheeser1 (talk) 16:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
But this isn't someone's dog, this is a social group, and China Daily is a major newspaper. How is this different from chavs? You say "this doesn't make a subculture". If it's your word against that of a major newspaper, I'm going to go with the newspaper. Esn (talk) 03:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the China Daily is considered reliable. Unfortunately, the article itself is just a gallery of six seemingly unrelated pictures. I also fail to understand what this 'subculture' has to do with Pokémon/Pokemon itself. If you manage to find an actual informative article about this, I'll consider including it into the article. - Face 12:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I've done a quick search myself now. The only thing I found were a small number of YouTube videos via this blog post (google translation). This and this are examples of these videos. I've posted a message on both asking if someone could give some English explanation. - Face 13:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
There's also a long article in the Spanish-language Uncyclopedia (here). I acknowledge that there is currently a problem of finding sources (although the China Daily article should be proof enough that it is at least considered a fashion style - I don't know why Cheeser1 removed that, honestly). But you know the saying: "where there is smoke, there is usually fire", and there is currently a hell of a lot of smoke. Just google for "pokemon chile" and see how many references to an emo-like subculture you find. It seems that Cheeser's main objection is that this group calls themselves "Pokemon" and he can't figure out why. He wants to retain control of the word "Pokemon" and prevent it from being appropriated by a shady subculture. But isn't our job to report what's there, rather than to wish it wasn't? I'm sure that the millions of people who for centuries had decorated their woven baskets with swastikas in India didn't much like the Nazi appropriation of the symbol. Yet there it was. I assume that there's a good reason why the name "Pokemon" sprung up for them (which, a Chilean friend tells me, is both what they call themselves and the word that others use as an insult). A combination of otaku culture imitation with trying to be "unique" is my guess. I hope that eventually we'll find a good article that talks about this. But until then, we should at least mention this to the extent that the available sources allow us. Esn (talk) 07:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
There is another mention of the "pokemones subculture" in the Mullet (haircut) article. Esn (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Please familiarize yourself with our policy on original research, particularly synthesis. If this is based on your guess, and has no substantive relationship to the subject of this article, then it doesn't belong here. Please also try not to make unfounded accusations of my lording over the article when I am simply asking you to follow our content policies. And try not to jump straight into the Nazi analogies. It's a little early for that. --Cheeser1 (talk) 07:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I've added a sentence back in that is devoid of original research. Esn (talk) 08:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Do not reinsert contested material back into the article. It disrupts the consensus building process and doesn't do much to affirm our assumptions of good faith we might have given you. Please also note that you did not restrict yourself to what was given in the captions for this image gallery (not that an image gallery constitutes journalism that could substantiate sociological analysis). --Cheeser1 (talk) 08:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I think I did. Please explain what was in my sentence that was not in the article which I used to cite it. Also, what exactly are you objecting to? Are you objecting that China Daily is a reliable source, or are you objecting notability? Esn (talk) 08:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Or are you saying that a long article by China Daily is notable, but a short one is not? Esn (talk) 09:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
It appears as though you are having trouble with our notability policy, which tells us about what we can create articles about, not about what we can put into articles, and certainly not about which sources we can use. Please familiarize yourself with these polices. Please also note that the China Daily article is certainly not a source of sociological analysis, and it does not make use of the term "subculture," nor does it really establish any link (besides the name) between the subject of this article and the text you keep inserting (if anything, try creating Pokémon (subculture) and see how quickly it gets CSD'd). And for future reference, please don't cite the Uncyclopedia - it doesn't make your argument look very persuasive. --Cheeser1 (talk) 09:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, you win. I'll just quietly disappear now. From this article, anyway. I'll work at making the Pokémon (subculture) article worthy (though I wish I had some help from someone who understood Spanish). If anyone adds this information to the main Pokemon article again, it will not be me. Esn (talk) 10:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
You actually created Pokémon (subculture)?! OMG..... Well, I guess we'll continue this discussion at the appropriate talk page then. - Face 12:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I know, there is a jaw shaped hole in my desk. I was in the middle of writing an olive-branch reply to his "okay you win" sulky thing when I noticed this ridiculous creation of an article that I obviously wasn't really telling him to go create. --Cheeser1 (talk) 12:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I object to being accused of disrupting wikipedia to illustrate a point. This was not my intention. Esn (talk) 12:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


Just to let casual onlookers know, the result of the AfD for Pokémon (subculture) was keep. Esn (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The hidden comment

I know I screwed up big time. I should have added the hidden note UNDER the redirect note. But I said that if I was reverted I would discuss it, so now that I'm watching, I will gladly discuss.

Look at this:

<!-- If you like/love or dislike/hate Pokémon, this is NOT the place to express it. We are an encyclopedia, not a forum for expressing disaffection. Thanks. ->

This would be great for one of the first few lines. It might need rewording if you want.

But think about it. Even when Semi-Protected this article is still being vandalized a lot. Most of them are "Pokémon is for faggots", "Only a loser likes Pokémon" and bullshit like that.

I apologize for using such a strong word, but I really think that's the best way to describe such vandalism.

Anyway my point is, I think the note is needed, because I'm sick off "Pokémon is for loser/faggots" vandalism. And Semi-Protection isn't stopping it from coming. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Then request full-protection for a bit. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 01:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Last time I checked that should only be used when there is a huge edit war going on. I really think that the hidden note is the best solution. Tell you what, if I get no objections before Monday I will add it on Monday. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Full-protection is also used if semi-protection is ineffective at curbing vandalism (example: Mudkip and its associated pages). -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 01:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll be more specific, I think that idea isn't gonna work out because there are plenty of good editors editing this page. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't change the fact that I don't find the problem big enough to have that protection, besides this isn't a discussion about whether or not the page should be protected, we are discussing whether or not this hidden note should be here. And I don't get you, your comments give me no clue whatsoever whether or not that note should be here. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 19:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, we had a comment line like that some time ago, but I can't remember why it was removed. Anyway, add it if you want to. I don't think there's any harm in it, even though it won't stop most of the vandals of course. As for the message itself, maybe you could add some more WikiLove:

<!-- 

Hi, and thank you for your interest in the Pokémon article. 
However, if you like/love or dislike/hate Pokémon, this is NOT the place to express it. 
Please note that ALL your edits are logged and looked at. Thanks.

--> ...article begins here.

How's that? - Face 13:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't like that wording, the first line is quite weird. How about this?
<!-- If you came here to express your personal opinion about Pokémon please go somewhere else. This is an encyclopedia not a fansite, any changes like that will be reverted. Users that continuously come back here to express their opinions could be blocked -->
Well, the old one kinda sucks, disaffection? What the hell? I'm sorry, but I don't really like the first line of your version.
Ok, this needs more discussion. Tomorrow isn't good enough. We shall not add it to the article unless we can come with something we all can agree on. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that's a good idea, but it won't change anything. Because of the increasing popularity of Pokemon, someone is bound to try and come here and vandalize the article. And what's stopping the vandals? Everyone knows that this site can be changed by anyone with internet. Unless you put on a full block, nothing will really help.65.223.58.226 (talk) 22:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I have merged the in my opinion two best sentences and added a third one. I think the message should: 1. be short and simple; 2. make clear that you're being watched; 3. mention the consequences. How about this:
<!-- If you came here to express your personal opinion about Pokémon, please go somewhere else. Note that ALL your edits are logged and looked at. If you make unconstructive changes, you WILL be blocked. Thanks. --> - Face 10:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Perfect. Al right, added it. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
You keep clean language right now! 
Pokèmon stuff on Wikipedia is not opinional expression. 
If you're going to do that, do it on a fourm.

how's that? Huh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidude57 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I personally like the current one better. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 20:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pokemon glitches (Missingno.)

I SERIOUSLY think Missingno should have its own article right now. It isn't identified as a glitch for most pokemon experts (like me)! We must take action or suffer! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidude57 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

If you're such an expert, it shouldn't be much problem for you to find a source. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Blazikenmaster, you are rude. Wikidude57 Pika! 22:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

See this: WP:No personal attacks, I was just pointing out that you need to show reliable source in order to make it have its own article. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 22:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
The only way to get this notable enough is to find reliable sources, oh and try not to call anyone rude for any reason in the future, instead discuss why you disagree. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Missingno (and its incarnations throughout the series) once had a page with the rest of the Pokémon game "glitches", but the article lost an AfD argument. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 21:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that Missingno should have its own page, but I am definitly up for adding some more information. Some pictures would be nice also. There is a picture from a website, although it is just one of those "post whatever you want" sites. I'm not sure if I can say the name, so I won't. I copied the picture, and could easily refind the artist. But don't misunderstand me, Missingno appears on the art as it does in the game. I also think that reearch should be done on why there is a missingno. This may be speculation, and I'm terriblty sorry if it is but if someone wanted to research it then I would like to help them, but I read somewhere (it may have been a chatroom for what I remember) that Missingno is required to fill in the #000 space before Bulbasaur, etc. Once again, sorry if it is speculation.--TriCheeseSorrow (talk) 04:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
First of all, welcome to Wikipedia! As for why MissingNo appears: in short, it's just a bunch of player data stored at the wrong place, putted there when viewing the demonstration of the old man in Viridian. MissingNo means "Missing Number". There are several sites about this issue, this one for example being one of the best known. Indeed, like you said, MissingNo doesn't deserve an article, just like the other glitches and most of the Pokémon in my opinion. It does have two paragraphs though: one at the Pokémon video game series, and one at the Pokémon Red and Blue article. Interest for these sections has runned out, so if you would like to write some info, your help is greatly appreciated! As long as you keep it constructive of course. - Face 19:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Distinguish

A very common occurrence and seems to happen frequently between the two series is confusion of the distinction of one from another. Would anyone object if i added {{distinguish|Digimon}} to the top of the article? Simply south (talk) 16:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind. -Jéské (v^_^v :L13 ½-Raichu Soulknife) 04:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't confuse the two, but I can see how other people might, so perhaps the tag is appropriate. Useight (talk) 17:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Come on! How are people going to confuse the wildly popular Pokémon with the marginally successful Digimon? Pokemon is simply too popular to be confused with anything else nowadays. Kreachure (talk) 00:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Not true, actually. I know some kids who easily confuse the two. In fact, one of my friends recently began watching Pokemon because they thought it was Digimon. 204.147.20.1 (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Giratina and the Sky's Bouqet: Shaymin

I have found that the actual title for the 11th movie is Giratina and the Sky's Bouqet: Shaymin. However, I appear to be unable to edit the article. Could someone please change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grasspuff (talk • contribs) 19:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Grasspuff. I think you mean the following article? Giratina to Sora no Hanataba: Sheimi. There have been some dispute about the title, so moving the article is currently disabled. Editing the article is still possible though, so I do not understand why you should not be able to do so. Cheers, Face 08:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
The reason of the move protection is that "Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin" is just one of many fan translations of the Japanese title. There has not yet been an English title released, and there likely won't be an English title until next year. Because there is no official English translation of Giratina to Sora no Hanataba: Sheimi, the Japanese title is the one being used in the article's name. Unfortunately, some people did not seem to understand this and so the ability to move the article was disabled for all members. There is no edit protection or semi-protection that I am aware of, so you should be able to edit the actual article without any problems. MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bulbipeadia....

Bulbipidea has alot more stuff than this artical should we ask bulbipeadia if we can use some of their artical. Poohman0 (talk) 02:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

More stuff on what? That project, no offense, practically lives on what this encyclopedia would consider cruft.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Further, Wikipedia and Bulbapedia have incompatible licenses (we cannot use material that is CC-by-SA-NC). -Jéské (v^_^v Detarder) 06:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

I noticed how there are two different pronunciations shown. The second I don't think is valid, because 1) it should be the same as the japanese pronunciation and 2) because the acute grave on the é is not pronounced with a hard "E" (ee, or IPA: /i/) Someone want to check that over? Sparky-sama (talk) 03:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The right pronouncion is the one in the anime. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 09:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
That being said. I don't think I've ever heard in the Japanese (or English[except for the first few episodes, where it was completely off,]) series of the second pronunciation with /i/, Maybe there was one person or so who pronounces it like that, using nonstandard Japanese pronunciation, but, unless the main seiyuus are using a constant articulation, I don't really know how the second can really be valid? That being said, in other languages (ie: Chinese) it is pronounced as "pɒkimɒn." I dunno, maybe I missed something. Sparky-sama (talk) 16:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
The correct pronounciation is (for lack of fluency in IPA) "Poe-kay-mon". Thunderboom (talk) 17:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tripp

I am very smart at pokemon. I can name a pokemon if I see it's picture and I can describe a pokemon if I see or hear its name. So if you say Venusaur I will be able to say that it evolves from Ivysaur and from Bulbasaur. It has 4 legs and its type is grass/poison. It has a plant growing out of its back and the plant is reddish pink with yellow dots and a brown stem. Its shiny form has a yellowy orange colour and white dots. It is 87.5% male and 12.5% female. That means I am very smart at pokemon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.42.207.70 (talk • contribs) at 21:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you go to Bulbapedia then, they could use your smart brain. This is a page to improve the article, not to discuss the subject, but it's ok if you did a mistake. After all, most people don't spend enough time on Wikipedia to know how stuff works around here. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 23:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arceus vs. Mewtwo addition

Can a section about Pokemon supremacy debate (ie. Arceus vs. Mewtwo) be appropriately added? Wiki4120 (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, but such debates are too fancrufty to add to Wikipedia. Maybe you should go to Bulbapedia instead. It has all the Pokémon in-universe info you could think of. Cheers, Face 07:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] some religious content in a pokemon episode

Wednesday, April 23, 2008: I have seen an episode in the original Pokemon series about Ash and the team going on a cruise ship and sunk. They later came back up and found team rocket and actually thought up of a way to find land. They used a part of Noah's ark in the bible (but used pidgyoto instead of a dove). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferrariguy1000 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thursday, April 24th, 2008: undo reason: if this is because I did'nt sign it, but if you need proof, let me look for it. Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlRmnVZEmug&feature=related , go to 4 minutes, 42 seconds.signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 01:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Note: if none of this is the reason, you have the right to delete, anyway tell me the reason if none of the above are the reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferrariguy1000 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC) sory, i'm new and i'm not use to signing. anyway, signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 01:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
oops, wrong video, Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRq0iCg8gC8&feature=related, look at 4:42. Signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 02:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
So... what is it exactly that you want? Can I help you with something? - Face 07:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I want to show proof that pokemon is not all saintinstic. signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 18:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
You mean saintinistic like a saint, or satanic? - Face 19:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
satanic. signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 20:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:List of Pokémon (441-460) needs some attention.

♦ copied from WT:WikiProject Pokémon:


So please comment on that talk page, I can't discuss this with an unregisted user alone. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I can't have a discussion with that IP alone anymore, I don't even know how to explain that cons. has been reached. Especially since the IP took the word "everyone" too literally in my opinion. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm copying this section to the Pokémon talk page, since this wikiproject is deserted. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I replied on Talk:List of Pokémon (441-460). Cheers, Face 18:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another aspect

One more contronvertial aspect. After hearing the Pokèmon theme song some people online have put it in reverse amd claimed they heard "Satanic" lyrics such "love Satan" or "he marries me". Should we put that in the article or not?--Angel David Commune with heaven My Angel Gifts 14:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

No; that is original research, and backmasking is widely seen as (a) controversial and (b) if not deliberate, someone looking for what they already "know" is in there (i.e. someone looking for Satanic cues is going to find them, while people looking for dog chow ads are going to find them), meaning that we can't use them anyhow.
Besides, the Pokémon animé has had several theme songs throughout its run, thus Pokémon has no one theme song. -Jéské (v^_^v E pluribus unum) 17:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kansas banned Pokemon in 2007

http://www.dailygaming.net/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=202

Wow! just wow!--Dark paladin x (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe that banning is crap, but it could fit somewhere into "Criticism and controversy". TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 18:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
There are two comments on that article. The first one reads: "Pokeman [sic] Article Utterly False. Posted by Kansas Department of Education on Thursday, April 5, 2007. We hope you were not duped into believing the Pokeman article posted on April 3. It is totally fictitious." The second person says: "I couldn't say i believe it". Indeed, it's hard to believe this isn't a hoax, because the whole article simply is... amazing. One section I particularly liked:
"Soon religious groups were organizing protests outside their local school systems and flooding politicians, and especially the board of education, with angry letters demanding that Pokemon be permanently banned from the schools. Many Kansas churches also held events geared towards encouraging children to drop the game, ranging from several “Pokemon burnings” where copies of the games were thrown into large bonfires, to programs that provided students with a free Bible for every game they turned in to church authorities. Still other church groups, recognizing the addictive nature of video games, have started voluntary support groups for children where they can admit to their video game addiction and give over their life to a higher power in order to remain Pokemon free for the rest of their lives."
Really... WTF!? - Face 18:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, just took a better at the website itself. It is indeed, as I suspected, a hoax site, see here. It's almost annoying how easily I was tricked into almost believing this trash :-(. Cheers, Face 19:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
You're right, and I was right about the banning being a total crap. More right than I thought, since it is a hoax site, it shouldn't be used as source. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 21:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone find a more reliable to confirm if this is true or not?--Dark paladin x (talk) 03:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
The fact a hoaxite is reporting it precludes its veracity to begin with, much like we couldn't report that British Columbia was annexed if The Onion reported it. -Jéské (v^_^v E pluribus unum) 03:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of all Pokémon CD articles

Following Blaziken's idea, here's a heads up for this. Please reply. Cheers, Face 18:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Non-notable, fail WP:MUSIC Ultra! 19:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Wait just a minute, how is it MY idea? TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh well, you did so here to draw more attention, so I did the same. Thanks, Face 13:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] shinnoh

In shinnoh you get 3 starters chimchar piplup and turtwig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.110.170.156 (talk) 04:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is in the main starters article. The template is there for a reason, that kind of information doesn't belong on this already-long article. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pokémon controversy article

What does everyone think of there being an article for all the controversy of Pokémon? This would include:

  1. Religious controversy
  2. Pokémon card controversy
  3. Individual Pokémon controversy (namely Kadabra, Jynx, Ludicolo, etc.)
  4. Banned episodes
  5. Other stuff

This would allow for a wide coverage of all its controversy without having to limit its content.

Also, a similar mention, I think we need an article about the species of Pokémon. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Game history

The game history for the USA is (from oldest to newest)(does not include pinball or puzzle pokemon games) blue&red,pokemon stadium , pokemon gold&silver,pokemon stadium2,pokemon crystal,pokemon ruby&sapphire,pokemon box,pokemon channel,pokemon Colosseum,pokemon firered&leafgreen,pokemon XD gale of darkness,pokemon dash,pokemon emerald,pokemon trozei,pokemon rescue team red&blue,pokemon ranger,pokemon diamond and pearl,pokemon explorers of time and darkness,and eventually pokemon platinum.

sorry if i left any out 5-31-08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.175.230.57 (talk) 00:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you want, could you check the article List of Pokémon video games for inaccuries? Cheers, Face 21:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DVD set for DP ,Battle frontier , etc.

http://www.animeondvd.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=82264

the thing is, is it official? signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 19:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice to see you again Ferrariguy! That post makes me think of this, but that press release only mentions Pokémon: The Rise of Darkrai. That list also mentions two new boxsets of anime seasons. I'm really not sure if it's official. The poster says that the list comes from The Right Stuf International, a retailer of anime and manga products. I don't see it on their site though. Cheers, Face 21:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)