Talk:PMS Clan

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[edit] Pms clan

a group of online gamers; not notable, no specifics about group membership Mikeblas 05:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


I have made a first attempt to improve the article and demonstrate notablity 13:37, 13 January 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.139.10 (talk • contribs) 08:38, January 13, 2006

after the vote to keep, I am also working on this. Jal 14:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


Constant edits by Clan PMS members are turning this page into a PR sheet instead of factual information about the group.

Clan PMS is well sponsored, but draws criticism for the fact that they have never performed remotely well at any tournament, and continue to ignore that fact, even with their own self-promotion. The negativity directed towards Clan PMS is not related to them being a group of females, but to them being a group who claim their sponsorships come because of their skill, and not their all-female membership. Fallout01 05:57, 03 July 2006


No where on our website does it say that we claim to be the best clan or the best gamers. Some of our girls are really amazing gamers, but no where does it say that they are BETTER. What you will find in any article anywhere is that our main purpose is to be a safe haven for female gamers, which is why the clan is so large. You should also take note that we accept ANY female gamer, not the best female gamers. This of course will affect our competition performance. But of course, our main goal is to accept all female gamers, not focus on winning competitions. Just the fact that we can help any female make it to a public male dominated event is a privilege. Especially, if they tended to be shy or embarrassed during online play, like many of us were.

Also, we were just recently sponsored and it's something we worked very hard for by not only attracting so many female gamers but also having good sportsmanship when we play. If you look at our sponsors/partners, WITI, Xbox Live, FiOS, they don't sponsor us or partner with us because we win competitions but because we are trying to be a positive face in gaming and because sadly woman are still seen as a minority in gaming and FPS games in general. If you go to our website yourself you will see that we don't make any false claims about being the best at anything but being a great place for female gamers.Gypsyflypms 09:02, 04 July 2006


I'm aware that you aren't the best gamers, but from the way your group is promoted, it certainly isn't said out in the open. While one person placing well at a small tournament isn't really grounds for praise as a competitive organization, it's at least something.

As I said before, your group isn't looked down on by competitive gamers because you're girls, but because you're sponsored, and much of the time try to pretend like it's for reasons other than just being a clan for girls. You guys do a good job at promoting girls in competitive gaming. You don't do a good job at participating in gaming tournaments. Just lay off of the references to your supposed skill, which has been shown to be average at best, and there won't be any issues with the validity of the article.

The changes made to the article look good. Fallout01 11:24, 04 July 2006

Thanks Fallout. Xena was also a great competitive PMS gamer. She happens to be the number one female Halo 2 player in the world and the youngest, so good that she teaches lessons on Halo 2. However, our recent go at competitive gaming tournaments may not be going so good, but much of our competitive gaming is done on online clan matches where we have more success, and we still have a long way to go. However, I agree that Xbox should be a little more informative in why they are partnered with us, not because of our skills, but because we are known in the community. We help promote the community features of the 360 console. Although we didn't write the original article, this experience has made me even more interested in contributing to more Wiki articles and probably writing some of my own.

Thanks for the advice Fallout and I hope you visit us sometime! Gypsyflypms 5:58, 05 July 2006

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maru (talk) contribs 04:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

7 Feb 07: Removed the POV label as there is no ongoing discussion (this talk page was last updated July06), and there was no explanation as to what the label was aimed at.

The article is in large written as a fan site/promotional piece, with very little encyclopedic content. There are mentions in the article which are mostly unnecessary and untrue, such as the claim of achieving top-8 rankings at CPL and WSVG events, and the 'in the news' section. The entire article is written in a quasi-POV style, which makes it largely unsuitable for Wikipedia. There needs to be a thorough rewriting of the article altogether. I also have some doubt whether it passes WP:BIO. Consider Wikipedia:Vanispamcruftisement as well. -- Laurens Hoek 00:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


    • How can you say we did not place top 8 at WSVG or CPL, or that stats or mainstream media accomplishments are uneccesary? I have placed our championship bracket placements in the other comments below, and I urge you to call the tournament directors to verify your statements in the future. Thank you.

67.10.222.18 (talk) 20:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)Athena Twin

[edit] notability

If this passes WP:BIO standards I'll eat my keyboard. Additionally, there really does not seem to be much notability in this article. Yes, they're girls and they play video games and are mostly booth babes for things like the FiOS Grand Tournament, what's the point? ZBrannigan 05:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. The article makes little to no mention of their penchant for risqué photos. It still reads as an advertisement or press release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.241.60 (talk) 20:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I placed the ADVERT tag at the top of the article.翔太 「Shouta:talk」 20:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Booth Babes? Have you ever seen a booth babe go undefeated in game challenges? Also, we happened to help raise $20k for charity at that event with Verion at the FiOS Grand Tournamnet...is that something "booth babes" do? Do you call Fatal1ty a booth babe when he plays at his partner's booths? This would not even be said if we were not girls, as there are many teams/players that work their partners/sponsor's booths at events...I find that comment insulting. We never try to say we are the best, we are simply the largest mulit-platform female gaming organization with the misson of providing a safe and competitive enviroment for women gamers. We have been featured on MTV, Entertainment Weekly, CBS, AP and almost every gaming publication out there, which shows our sub-culture validity...which is what Wiki is about. Everytime someone post one anything that shows our accomplishments (stats, media, etc), it is deleted because someone calls it "self-promotion"...make up your minds, people. I try to stay off edits on this page, but this is ridiculous. If anyone wants to know about us, use google or contact me. We have over 800 girls worldwide now, and if you want our tournament stats, here are the Championship bracket placements only...and right from the horse's mouth...
  • 2005 MLG Houston: Championship Bracket top 24th, Halo
  • 2005 MLG Seattle: Championship Bracket top 16th, Halo (Coed Team)
  • 2005 CPL Summer: 6th and 8th Halo
  • 2006 WSVG St Louis: 9th Halo; PGR top 12; GRAW 9th
  • 2006 WSVG Dallas: 7th Halo; CS 1.6 top 24; Quake 4 top 32
  • 2006 CGS Invitational: 2nd DOA
  • 2006 WCG US finals: top 16 DOA
  • 2006 CPL/VGL Winter: 2nd, GOW
  • 2007 CGSI: 2nd place DOA
  • 2007 Gaming Edge DOA Tournament, 1ST DOA
  • 2007 Buy.com/CGS Qualifier: 1st & 6th DOA Double Elimination
  • 2007 Buy.com/CGS Qualifier: 2nd & 8th DOA Single Elimination
  • 2007 Buy.com/CGS Qualifier: 1st & 4th DOA Female
  • 2007 Buy.com: 5th Gears of War
  • 2007 WCG West Coast Qualifier #1: 1st DOA
  • 2007 WCG South Qualifier #1: 1St GOW (Co-ed Team)
  • 2007 WCG South Finals: 3rd GOW (Co-ed Team)
  • 2007 WCG US Open: 2nd Place DOA,
  • 2007 WCG US Open: 4th Place GOW (Co-ed Team)
  • 2007 WCG Pan-Am: 1st Place DOA
  • 2007 WSVG St Louis: Top 16 Fight Night (2)
  • 2007 WSVG St Louis: Top 24 Quake (2)
  • 2007 WSVG St Louis: Top 24 Guitar Hero
  • 2007 WSVG Dallas: Top 16 Fight Night
  • 2007 WSVG Dallas: Top 32 Quake (2)
  • 2007 WSVG Dallas: Top 32 Guitar Hero
  • 2007 QuakeCon: Top 32 Quake 4
  • 2007 WSVG Ontario: Top 32 Quake 4
  • 2007 MLG Charlotte: Top 24 R6 Vegas
  • 2007 CPL Summer: 6th and 8th GOW
  • 2007 Digital Life: Top 16 DoTA
  • 2007 Fire and Ice; 7th DoTA

67.10.222.18 (talk) 19:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)Athena Twin