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Contents 1 John Douglas 2 DYK notice 3 The Original Barnstar 4 25 dyk 5 Italics 6 DYK (again) 7 Buckton Castle 8 Chester Cathedral 9 Crewe Hall 10 DYK - Chester Castle 11 Re: John Douglas & a suggestion on the portal 12 DYK 13 Oakmere Hall 14 DYK 15 Chester Cathedral again 16 Definitely Cheshire this time! 17 Another DYK! 18 DYK 19 Chemical industry 20 Re: Macclesfield Forest DYK 21 Re: Highfields, Buerton in close studding 22 Chester Cathedral 23 Re: Cheshire Portal, etc 24 DYK 25 chorley 26 DYK double dip 27 DYK 28 Victorian engineers 29 Re: Grade I listed buildings in Cheshire 30 DYK 31 St Peter's Church, Heysham 32 DYK

[edit] John Douglas

I think the structure you've adopted for this article works fine. My only real concern is the volume of tables listing his works, as I think it is perhaps yours as well. I think in this case I would be inclined to do what you did with Thomas Brassey, and move the list out. But of course then you'd need to expand the article itself a little, by drawing attention to some of his more famous and/or representative works.

I made a few small changes, chiefly to the formatting of the Architectural styles and practice section, which had the same problem with the edit button getting hidden as the Beston Castle article did. But overall I think it's looking very good. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK notice

On 7 February 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Mary's Church, Widnes, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations - and the coveted top, pictured slot too! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! Great to see Cheshire hitting the main page again. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 14:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For your tireless work improving the coverage of Cheshire churches. Thank you! Espresso Addict (talk) 16:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 25 dyk

		The 25 DYK Medal for Peter I. Vardy
		Congratulations! Here's a medal for you in appreciation of your hardwork in creating, expanding and nominating 25+ articles for DYK. Keep up the good work, Peter - fine work! --Victuallers (talk) 17:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Italics

Yes its to show they are a redirect. I think this is a great idea as it can be frustrating to click on a link and then find a mini-stub that tells you very little. re notability. I agree .... but they are not Eton and Harrow. I have added your article as an example of good practise to Wikipedia schools project. Well done Victuallers (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC) See here Victuallers (talk) 14:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK (again)

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--Bencherlite^Talk 00:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Buckton Castle

Hi, I was wondering if you could take a look at the Buckton Castle article and tell me what you think. I'd like it to be GA standard, it's a short article but there's only so much that can said about it and I think this is nearly it. I'm coming to you because you got the Halton Castle article to GA. I know these are two very different articles (Buckton never - as far as we know - had anything like royal visits and wasn't in use during the civil war) but Halton Castle is the only castle GA I've come across. Thanks. Nev1 (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Just back from a 5 day holiday in London; exhilarating and exhausting. I've a lot of non-Wiki catching up to do but will certainly try to have a look in the next few days. Cheers. Peter. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I have placed some comments on the article's talk page which I hope are helpful. As a matter of personal interest, where are the other two ringworks in the historical counties of Lancashire and Cheshire? Good luck. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, I've not be able to completely address all the points you raised - for example, a current state section would be woefully small as there really isn't much to say - but what you suggested has improved the article, especially the recommendation about the plan by Ormerod. I'll put it up at WP:GAC and just see what happens. I'm not sure which the other two ringworks are, but I think Chester Castle may be one of them (another article ripe for expansion). Nev1 (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the article is better now. Good luck with GAC; let's hope it's a reasonable assessor. Chester Castle is on my "list" to do soon. Cheers. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Chester Castle now expanded. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chester Cathedral

On 3 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chester Cathedral, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 07:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

On 5 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Peckforton Castle, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 21:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crewe Hall

Hi Peter -- the reason I hadn't tagged this one is because I've hardly begun to work on it. I've a huge amount of information that I hope to add as soon as I can get my head around it -- aiming for a DYK, as my Peckforton suggestion looks in danger. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 18:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

PS -- Might I suggest that you link directly to the database subpage, rather than the index page, for quicker reference. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I had not realised you were working on it. On reflection I think I was a bit surprised to see the article because last time I had looked it was not there! I'm sure you will find a DYK in it (and I don't see why the last suggested hook in Peckforton should not succeed). Looking at some of "your" articles I think you should be looking towards GA rather than (as well as) DYK.

I agree about the links; but when I clicked on the links on the index page, the address did not change, so I was not sure how to get the direct link to the page. Can you advise? I ask because I have made similar links on some other Cheshire pages and I should like to correct them. Best wishes (and good to see you doing so much on Cheshire themes again). Peter. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Discovered how to do it! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I was surprised to find such a well-known house as Crewe Hall wasn't already up. I haven't come up with a natty hook for DYK yet but I think there has to be something in there relating to the Barry reconstruction. I was hoping to get Acton to GA but have stalled a bit over the precise requirements listed by the UK geography project, which are in places rather hard to interpret for a village of 300 inhabitants! Also, Dorfold Hall should open in April, so I might be able to get some photos -- if the weather ever clears up. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 22:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK - Chester Castle

On 13 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chester Castle, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! The portal is certainly not going to be short of DYKs next update. You seem to have a knack of getting the pictured slot, which keeps on eluding me! Espresso Addict (talk) 19:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Actually a lot of getting the "pictured slot" stems from your advice to me to go to Geograph for images. It's good (and fun) to get Cheshire-related articles on the main page (even though only for a few hours) – the only reason I do it!. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the main page DYK generates more traffic in the 6–8 hours than the portal does in a month, so it's definitely worth slogging away at them! Just featuring on the suggestions page gets a few seasoned editors looking the page over, as well, which often results in useful edits. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: John Douglas & a suggestion on the portal

I went through all the B-class biography articles tagged by the project last night, and I think this is the most suitable remaining, so I'd be keen to feature it, either as it is, or after the split you mention.

I'd agree with splitting the list out, particularly if you plan on developing it, and summarising his key works in prose form in more detail, with illustrations, in the biography. I think the biography part might need some expansion before it would have a reasonable chance at Good Article, though it depends so much on the reviewer.

I've not had much contact with the featured list group. I toyed with the idea of attempting with Listed buildings in Nantwich, Cheshire, but got sidetracked by attempting to photograph them all. (To be honest, I find it a touch annoying that things like Buffy episode guides are getting to 'featured' status by this route.) The major problem with the John Douglas list would seem to be that you've excluded various things, per the note at the top of the list. I think the featured list criteria would tend to require a complete list or some very well-defined set of exclusions. The Manchester project people could be helpful, as I think they've had several successes there, and the Architecture project seems quite active too.

As an aside, I've been wondering about suggesting that the portal ditches doing a monthly Featured Biography, as we're currently very limited in high-quality articles with a free picture that have a strong link to Cheshire, in favour of doing Featured Place (city, town, village, CP &c), Featured Article (buildings, structures, geographical features &c) & Featured Picture. The article slot could, of course, include biographies if good ones turn up. I believe one of the geography portals that is featured or at featured review uses this structure, though I can't find the one I was looking at now. What do you think? Espresso Addict (talk) 18:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Early days. By all means use the Douglas article as it is on the Portal. It may be time (months) before the article is ready for GA and the list for featured consideration. I will take into consideration all you say. Let's face it; Wikipedia IS serious – but maybe it shouldn't be taken TOO seriously, if you see what I mean (why lose sleep?...).

Regarding what to put on the Portal, let's use what seems appropriate. If there are not enough biographies, let's use what is available (and good). Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way, the Douglas hook has just been selected. (I'd have selected it myself, but I'm trying to avoid using Cheshire project hooks, as it seems a mild conflict of interest.) Espresso Addict (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the news. I had assumed that, as it had become "expired", that was the end of it. So, successful after all! Thanks for your input. The more we have of Cheshire DYKs, the better. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

A whole set often get expired just because there's a backlog, as there is today. They remain viable until they're removed from the page totally; it's not unheard of for items as much as 3 days expired to be selected. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

In fact I note the heading's just been chanaged from "Expired" to "Expiring" to reflect this. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 14 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St John the Evangelist's Church, Sandiway , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 22:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

So it made it after all! It must have appeared overnight: I missed it. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oakmere Hall

On 16 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Oakmere Hall, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 17:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

And to you! I think this month might already be a record for the Cheshire WP. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 19 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St Alkmund's Church, Whitchurch, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 08:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You're right, it is Shropshire! I tend to forget that we live so near to the border. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chester Cathedral again

I think that there's lots to like about this article, and the interior photos are simply great. It's obviously not a million miles away from a credible GA nomination, but if I was the reviewer I'd be critical of two things. First of all I'd say that there were too many short sentences - yes, I know what you're going to say, but bear with me. ;-) Secondly I'd say that the short sentences result in there being no real flow in some of the prose, making it read a little bit disjointedly; this, then this, then this. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'll have a go. I suspect I am stronger on content than on style! Cheers. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I've done a bit of copyediting on this article, but there are one or two places where I don't feel certain enough about what's being said to make any changes. For instance: "The organ was later re-erected in its present position at the front of the north transept. In 1910 William Hill & Son of London extensively rebuilt and revoiced it, replacing the Cavaillé-Coll reeds with new pipes of their own. The choir organ was enlarged and moved behind the choirstalls on the south side. The instrument was again overhauled by Rushworth & Dreaper of Liverpool in 1969, when a new mechanism and some new pipework made to a design drawn up by Roger Fisher was installed." Are we talking about two organs here, the organ and the choir organ, or just one?

I've got a suggestion to make as well. I found the Cathedral section a bit difficult to follow without having any idea of the layout of the cathedral. Would it be possible to include a floor plan of the cathedral? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It shows the value of a pair of outside eyes. Although what I said about the organ is what the source says, in fact the choir organ is a division of the main organ (and I can verify that from attendance at organ recitals); text amended accordingly. Your idea of a plan is excellent (maybe essential) but I have a problem with including one. I do not have the expertise to produce one myself and to copy one may run into copyright difficulties. The best plan I have found is at Chester Tourist but I am pretty sure this is under copyright, and I have no clue how to satisfy the obligation of a fair use rationale. The one at National Image Library I think demands a fee. There are older, probably out of copyright, but much less clear plans such as Intaglio Fine Art and Ash Rare Books and, perhaps the best "oldie" (dated 1893) at Images of Medieval Art and Architecture. What do you think? Thanks for the contributions made so far. Oh, and I should like to use the image of the exquisite choir canopy and a misericord on Talk:Chester Cathedral - but how do you fit it all in (maybe swap it with the one of the ceiling)? Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The Chester Tourist plan looks perfect. My understanding is that we draw an image ourselves, based on that one, then there are no copyright problems. I'll have a go at producing one if you like. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 16:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that would be ideal. Hope it does not take too much valuable time. Peter Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I've made a start on the plan, and I'll hopefully be able to upload something tomorrow, but Monday at the latest. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

No rush. I meant to say "too much of your valuable time"! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've finished it, and added it to the article. If you see any errors, let me know. I wasn't sure whether to draw it in the same east-west orientation as the graphic on the cathedral's web site, or north-south as in most of the older maps, but I settled on east-west in the end. It would be very easy to rotate the graphic 90 degrees to produce a north-south orientation though, if there's some convention to do so. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

That's excellent; many thanks. I prefer the orientation the way you have done it. I visited the cathedral this morning and have a bit more information which I will add when time allows. I was wondering about replacing the image of the choir ceiling with that of the choirstalls and misericord - these are well worth demonstrating (and to have both would be too crowded). What do you think? Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Swapping the images sounds good to me. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I find it easier to do copyediting in bursts, coming back with a fresh eye from time to time, so I may make a few more suggestions, but I'd say that this article is definitely worth a punt a GA now. You've done a great job with it. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Done a bit more polishing and submitted it as a GAC. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. What an excellent job you've both done on the article - no Peter I've no problem with you swapping the images, however from a photographic point of view, the choirstall photo could be improved - I'm going to return soon and take a panoramic shot of the choir and rood screen, which might be a better alternative - I have a few shots of some of the carving there also - the 'elephant' with horses legs which is mentioned in the audio guide and also the erm....I think it's called the Deans chair....I'll have to check, I think it's in the guide book. I'll upload them and make a bit of a gallery on the talk page. I made a few alterations this morning - Pevsner had his dates muddled regarding when St John's was a cathedral - His dates related to when St. John was the sole cathedral - it then became a co-cathedral, but for simplicity in our article it seems better to say St. John's was the cathedral until the dissolution. Personally I wouldn't waste your time with GA and pitch straight at FA. From a style point of view, I hope you don't mind me saying, it is a little dry with description of the building and its contents - I'll see if I can dig up some blood and guts to spice it up a bit - perhaps a new section, the cathedral in history. I seem to remember a member of Chester cathedral's clergy was involved in a very public debate and mini media storm (a media squall?) a few years ago - I think she was born with a cleft palate and she objected to the right of parents to terminate pregnancies if this malady was detected.

I think your plan is pretty good Malleus, so I'm sorry to suggest this as I know you spent quite some time on it but......this plan confers better information regarding the various phases of the build, and the inclusion of the vaulting lines is really useful for architectural nerds such as myself. You actually picked me to the post regarding the plan - Although the plan I just linked to is actually in the public domain, my view is it needs a fairly extensive overdraw to make it sufficiently legible - colour etc. The other issue with your plan Malleus is that it might be better to exclude the text in english and just use numbers. That way we can still link the text in the image caption - but the plan can easily be trans-wiki'd to other languages. Kind regards --Joopercoopers (talk) 12:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

If you or Peter want to replace my plan with something else that's fine with me. I'm not wedded to it. :-) If we're going to stick with my version, then I'll be quite happy to remove the text, if there's general agreement to do that. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 12:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll have a stab at another and we can make our minds up then. PS. seems the Rev. Joanna Jepson was the curate of St Michael's Church, Chester and so nothing to do with the Cathedral. --Joopercoopers (talk) 13:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I've copied this discussion on to Talk:Chester Cathedral and suggest we continue it there; more in the public eye! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Definitely Cheshire this time!

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Keep up the good work! --Espresso Addict (talk) 16:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another DYK!

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Congratulations! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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--Gatoclass (talk) 04:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chemical industry

"Chemical industry of the USSR" building was built in 1967 in the excibition centre in Moscow. Architect B.S. Vilensky. Total excibition area is 5000 sq meters. In this [1] image you can see the "Chemical industry of the USSR" inscription in front of the building. The excibition featured chemical machines and equipment, mockups, models etc.--Dojarca (talk) 07:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Macclesfield Forest DYK

Thanks, Peter. I think it was PFHLai who reordered the pictures so that they didn't make sense. I hadn't realised Forest Chapel had an article already -- I was in a bit of a hurry on Thursday and looked in the categories under St Stephen's & Macclesfield Forest but didn't think to look under F! (I've made a redirect for St Stephen's Church, Macclesfield Forest now, in case anyone else looks for it there.) Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 13:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Peter. Two in one update is my record, I think! Espresso Addict (talk) 19:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Highfields, Buerton in close studding

I've removed the reference to this property in the close studding article. The list was intended as a selective list of buildings known either as good examples of close studding or as unusual examples of the form. I should probably edit the list to indicate this. Also, I think it would be useful to avoid more Cheshire bias than has already been introduced by using the McKenna book on timbered buildings of Cheshire as a major source; the Cheshire examples listed are all pointed out by McKenna as a good example of close studding. I'm sure, for example, that there are other European examples, but I don't have any sources. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 13:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chester Cathedral

Hi. I didn't remove the en dashes, I just substituted the visual of them (–) rather than using their HTML code (–). They are still different/larger from the normal dashes (-); they're just a bit neater in the source code for the article. If you look below the edit summary box while editing the page, there's a line that starts with "Insert:"; the first dash after that is the en-dash, and the second is the em-dash. Click on them to insert them in the edit box, wherever your cursor is. BTW, you'll be seeing more from me on the article in the (hopefully near) future, as I add info from the Home book to it... Mike Peel (talk) 21:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! It sailed through GA. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Cheshire Portal, etc

Thanks for the reminder on the Crown Hotel; I've started a short page under that title (which seems preferred by everyone except the IoE), though references are rather sparse. I have a few books out of the library at the moment on Cheshire country houses, so if I can add anything significant to your new articles I will certainly have a go.

I'm hoping eventually to submit Listed buildings in Nantwich, Cheshire for featured list assessment, but would like to get as many photos as possible first. (I have another batch of pictures I haven't got around to sorting yet.) I've been putting off an attempt because I'd have to change the references format to use the citeweb template, which will take quite a bit of faffing. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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Cheers, Daniel (talk) 11:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] chorley

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another! --Victuallers (talk) 10:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK double dip

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And with the photo, too! --Daniel Case (talk) 21:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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Cheers, Daniel (talk) 00:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Victorian engineers

We've briefly discussed this subject before, with Thomas Brassey, but I'm becoming more and more astonished at how poor wikipedia's coverage of important 19th-century engineers is. I was idly thinking about starting an article on the history of Manchester's water supply, so I went off to the library. I discovered that it was designed by John Frederick Bateman, who also designed and built the water supply systems for a very large part of the UK - including Chester as it happens. I looked Bateman up in wikipedia, only to find an article about a minor baseball player!

I've written a stub on him now, hopefully enough to keep the deletion police away from it anyway. But it still astonishes me that wikipedia has an article for every single episode of The Simpsons, yet hardly anything on these 19th-century engineering megastars. Ah well. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree, especially with your comments on The Simpsons. To my "credit" I did some time ago write stubs on William Baker, John Webster and Donald Campbell, and something slightly longer on James Beatty, but these could all do with more input. In passing I note that the article on Daniel Adamson of Manchester Ship Canal fame is entirely unreferenced (and the canal article is very poorly referenced).

My parallel moan is about 19th century architects. In writing articles on Cheshire churches and Grade I listed buildings, few of the important architects had articles about them. I've tried to remedy this a bit with new articles on James Harrison, Edmund Sharpe, Thomas Lockwood and Edmund Kirby, and some work on John Douglas, Thomas Harrison and Anthony Salvin. I guess it's up to people like you and me and Espresso Addict to try to fill these gaps. Keep up the good work. I'm thinking of submitting Chester Castle as a GAC. What do you think? Best wishes, Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Chester Castle looks good, well worth a shot at GA. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 12:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Grade I listed buildings in Cheshire

Kudos on the list, it's looking excellent. I've kept meaning to get back to Dorfold Hall when it's open and I can take a picture from closer (that one's from the road!), but Mondays are my least plausible day for outings. It might have to wait till a bank holiday.

Re Chester Castle, I'm not sure I understand the good article review criteria well enough to advise -- Malleus undoubtedly has a much better handle on the standards. It's well written and referenced, but I think there is probably rather more to be said on the subject. I don't have any specific references on Chester or castles, unfortunately, but there is a little material in those volumes of A History of Cheshire that I have currently have on loan from the library. I can try to abstract and add, if that would be helpful?

By the way, I was wondering about going for it with Crewe Hall after a bit of minor polishing, if you had any thoughts on that one? Espresso Addict (talk) 21:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that Chester Castle is a bit thin on the history section but I've added all the info I can find in my sources. If you add more I would be delighted. Re Crewe Hall, I think that is excellent and should easily get a GA rating. The assessors usually come up with a few quibbles (although amazingly they did not with Chester Cathedral). One quibble they may make is about a mixture of metric and imperial measurements (miles, hectares and acres); the best tactic would be to give all units in both imperial and metric. As a matter of interest, was the Paris Exhibition of 1878 the same as Exposition Universelle (1878)? Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Re Chester Castle, I'll see what I can do when I get a moment. Thanks for the note about metric and imperial units, I'm of the generation that gets terminally confused between them (metric at school, imperial at home). Conversion would seem the way to go there, although I never know which I want to put first! Espresso Addict (talk) 13:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Something else that'll likely get picked up at Crewe Hall's GA is the use of

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They're not meant to be used in the body of an article. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 13:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, as I recall it was you who confused me on that one, by adding them to Churche's Mansion during the GA review ;) What is the preferred display quote? Does one just use blockquote? Espresso Addict (talk) 13:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear, I did, didn't I. Probably ought to go back and fix that. :-( The relevant style guide is here; obviously it's been changed since we did the Churche's Mansion review, *cough*, *splutter* :-). --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 13:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I just knew they were too pretty to conform to MoS :) Espresso Addict (talk) 14:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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