Talk:Peter Hain

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Contents 1 Place of Birth 2 Parents 3 Mugabe 4 Current event - Peerage Bribe 5 Photo 6 Edits 7 Inappropriate material 8 Chelsea FC Fan? 9 Lack of altruism 10 Satsuma 11 War Avoidance Team 12 Asylum Seeker 13 Conspiracy 14 1973

[edit] Place of Birth

Why do I think he was born in New Zealand? (I know that seems an odd question, but right up to reading this entry this week, I had believed he had been born in New Zealand (or, at least, that his parents were from New Zealand))

DrWhoFan 07:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parents

In what country were his parents banned. What country did they flee from. Surely South Africa not Kenya - which is how it reads. Paul Beardsell 00:26, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Yes, South Africa. I hope it's now clear in the article. --rbrwrˆ

[edit] Mugabe

"Robert Mugabe, whom he helped into power, attacked him as a "racist" for backing Zimbabwe's white farmers' rights."

I am confused about this bit. Peter Hain helped Mugabe into power? — Trilobite (Talk) 17:44, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Current event - Peerage Bribe

Plaid Cymru MP Elfyn Llwyd has accused Hain of offering Peter Law, the deceased independent MP for Blaenau Gwent, a peerage in order not to stand against the Labour candidate. [1]

[edit] Photo

Can we find a better quality, bigger photo? Matthewfelgate 18:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

I made some edits to this page including adding some dividers because I thought it was rather a big bulk of text. Please refine these dividers as you see fit :) Matthewfelgate 18:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate material

I have removed the following:

"He also gave a eulogy and the funeral of a convicted and executed station bomber and has subsequently condemned station bombers in the United Kingdom. He fought against detention without trial and house arrest for terrorists, their sympathises and supporters in South Africa, but has supported those same laws in the United Kingdom against Muslims."

Both the tone and content are totally inappropriate for an encyclopedia. It tries to equate the actions of Islamic terrorists in Britain today with anti-apathied campaigners in South Africa. Quite apart from anyone's views on that, an encyclopedia entry on Peter Hain is not the place for it.

i think it show that churchill old adage is true, "Anyone who isn’ta liberal by age 20 has no heart. Anyone who isn’ta conservative by age 40 has no brain" or that the older we get the more rightwing we become, its true of most current labour figures except Tony Benn, i think a more neutral worded reflection of that does belong in the article, to juxtapose his background, suspected terrorist, Asylum seeker, ex con against his political positions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.99.176 (talk) 13:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chelsea FC Fan?

I've proposed List_of_famous_people_who_are_fans_of_Chelsea_FC for deletion as it stands but I thought it might make sense to put that into the bios of those on the list. The list says that Hain is a fan and They Work For You seems to corroborate that. But it doesn't really seem to be appropriate or significant to put it in anywhere in this article (besides adding a trivia section which I found horrid) so I didn't add it. Can anyone else think of a way to add it in? Crito2161 02:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of altruism

Peter Hain has a dark complexion and appears not to be a pure blooded white.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.138.131.19 (talk) 17:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Satsuma

The dark complexion is a standing joke in journalistic circles.

[edit] War Avoidance Team

I've moved this paragraph to the mainline and copyedited it - but I don't recall coming across this issue before so I've flagged it for citation. All relevant wiki material seems to be by one hand - could others verify please? Many thanks Grblundell 14:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Asylum Seeker

Did he enter the UK as an asylum-seeker? Fleeing perscution in South Africa? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.104.199 (talk) 15:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy

The conspiracy theory put in the main article recently needs substantiation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.51.240 (talk) 11:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems that 'the conspiracy' against Peter Hain is widespread. --Gibnews (talk) 12:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1973

Peter Hain was given his first degree in 1973. This is two years later than expected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.232.26 (talk) 14:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)