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Contents 1 Hugh Montgomery 2 Cleanup 3 Irish to removed 4 Pictures

[edit] Hugh Montgomery

This links to the wrong Hugh Montgomery. Not sure how to handle the disambig, but wanted to point it out. -- J1729 00:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This article needs serious work to convert all the lists to prose, trim off boring/POV/travel guide/advertisement information, and make the article flow properly. NicM 16:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Irish to removed

Since Northern Ireland is in the UK and over 90% of the people that live in Northern Ireland speaks English and not Irish please change the rule about havimg Irish in all towns and cities of Northern Ireland because our flag is the United flag and we pay tax to the UK goverment not to the irish.

I oppose the above request. There is a substantial minority (albeit not a majority) in Northern Ireland who support the Irish language. The Irish language is deeply rooted in the history of all of Ireland, and this is still reflected in placenames everywhere in Ireland even where they have been anglicised. Many articles about places in Scotland include Gaelic names, even in areas where Gaelic is no longer a spoken language. Viewfinder 23:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you live in Newtownards? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Newtownards (talk • contribs).

Shouldn't this belong on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(Ireland-related_articles)? In any case, I oppose for much the same reason as Viewfinder: Northern Ireland is part of the island of Ireland, and although Irish is now a minority language, it is part of Irish history and culture and it is important to reflect that, particularly since many people in Northern Ireland subscribe to that culture. NicM 00:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Where do you get your information. Newtownards was not even build up by the irish so how can you say even if you dont live in the town or the country. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom not Ireland and over 75% of people that live in Northern Ireland does not subscribe tp that culture. If you are not from or live in the town, city, county or country you dont have the right to post irish names on Northern Ireland towns. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Newtownards (talk • contribs).

I refer people to the manual of style that was formed by consensus of the editors of both Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland pages WP:IMOS#Irish_names_in_content. It's quite clear and the same format is used for all other towns and villages in Northern Ireland as well as the Republic of Ireland. This is a neutral encyclopaedia, editable by all not just people from certain areas. If you are on an anti-Irish campaign then this is the wrong place to be. Ben W Bell talk 08:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Newtownards is my home town and I will not have any irish relating to it because it has no irish history the name newtownards came from since it was a new town in the ards area they desided to call it Newtownards. So I dont know how anyone can name the town in irish. What about this I will take a photo of the town sign "Welcome to Newtownards" if there is any irish in it ok but if there is no irish then the irish naming rule has to be changed. The Ards Concel may not be too happy with its name in irish, either the people living in ards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Newtownards (talk • contribs).

Heh. It's going to be a pretty hard sell to convince us that a town in Northern Ireland on the island of Ireland has nothing to do with the history of Ireland. NicM 15:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Well tell me do you know anything about Newtownards? Newtownards 16:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Well this is not an encyclopaedia edited specifically by people from Ards or people who have lived there. Wikipedia has a policy and manual of style designating that all towns on the island of Ireland have the Irish version of their name alongside their English version at least initially. Ben W Bell talk 18:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do, but that is irrelevent. The policy exists and there is no reason for Newtownards to be an exception. NicM 19:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

There is no irish in Newtownards history that is why.

Really, is that why it was an Irish town for most of it's history? It's always been in Ireland, it wasn't moved there, it's only been separated from the rest of Ireland since the creation of Northern Ireland. Oh and I know quite a lot about dirty Newtown. Ben W Bell talk 07:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

What does "Oh and I know quite a lot about dirty Newtown" mean, Ben W Bell? Newtownards 15:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It means I know quite a bit about Newtownards, or dirty Newtown as it's commonly called. Ben W Bell talk 15:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure the article gives this information, but I will say it here anyway: Newtownards used to be Movilla. I don't know if 'Movilla' comes directly from Gaelic or not but, as far as I'm aware, 'Ards' does. I find it interesting to have the Gaelic there, though I would like to see the English translation also, as it tells the reader a little about the place. Once upon a time, so far as we can tell, we all spoke Gaelic in Ireland you know. Try reading a little history. --Mal 17:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I live in Newtownards and although the town does have a massive English speaking majority, Newtownards should be treated the same as any other town I feel in accordance with Wikipedia's core values.

We used to go to Ards Shopping Centre to get our shopping with our Mum in the 80's. I always thought Clandeboye in Bangor was better, anyway, I used to be Irish and I've been shopping with my Mum in Newtownards so I reckon that just about sews it up don't you think. The Boy that time forgot 01:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I was born in Baile Nua na hArda and the name of this Irish town should be shown in Gaeilge and English. Gearoid

Newtownards is an English stronghold - all the police live there because it's so far removed from what was going on for so long. My parents, who lived there for many years, had never even heard of the Irish name. I think there is a place for it in the article, just maybe not in the lead as it's not terribly relevant - Gaelic only appears on signs in the South of Ireland and Newtownards from an Irish point of view is hardly a major place (I would actually support a Gaelic alternative for very major towns or those with an Irish majority where the name is actually of meaning). I would hate to see the name removed entirely though, as I think that sort of information is interesting from an encyclopaedic point of view. Orderinchaos 15:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I'm from Perth, Australia, and have some pictures from my 2004 holiday (Newtownards is actually my birthplace, but I moved here at age 6) - one of the abbey ruins atop Movilla Road, a few inside and outside the shopping centre, a shot from the S/C of Scrabo Tower, the main street (seems to be Regent Street facing onto Francis Street), a few other nearby streets, town hall, what appears to be an old church with a spire, a few of suburban streets in Abbeydale estate, and one of the former (fenced/boarded up) Castle Gardens school which I went to as a small child. Numerous others too. If there is any interest I can put some of these up on Commons - where would be good places to start? Orderinchaos 15:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)