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[edit] "Waste management issues"

I have moved this to the talk...

Naples has a waste management problem because the landfills are full. The garbage crisis of 2007 has led to serious health warnings but attempts to ease the problem are being hampered by the Camorra, the local mafia.[1] The Camorra has infiltrated parts of the waste management industry in Naples, and a significant part of the budget appears to be disappearing into the pockets of the Camorra.
Since the mid-1990s, the Camorra has taken over the handling of garbage disposal in the region of Campania, with disastrous results for the environment and the health of the general population. Heavy metals, industrial waste and chemicals and household garbage are frequently mixed together, dumped near roads and burnt to avoid detection, leading to a severe soil and air pollution. Together with corrupt local officials and unscrupulous industrialists from all over Italy, the Camorra has created a cartel that has so far proved very difficult to combat for officials.

Obviously its notable but I don't think it needs an entire section on it in the article. Its recentism. Maybe it deserves its own article if somebody who knows more about that wants to. I'll make a mention of it in the "modern Naples" section. - Gennarous (talk) 12:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Sitting in Berlin-Germany, right now I do watch a 2 hours documentary about this situation. It mentions all the facts of this development. Naples has now become internationally known for this ongoing crisis of European dimension. I moved back the section to the main article.
Then, as advised create an article on Naples waste management issue. Wikipedia isn't a bulletin site for recent news, its mentioned in passing in the recent history. It does not deserve an entire section of its own see WP:Recentism. Note that Wikipedia city, country, etc articles are written in regards to a historical context. - Gennarous (talk) 12:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe it should be mentionned as it is an internationally well-known issue. On the other hand I'm not all that familiar with WP guidelines on this kind of stuff. On another note, I'm surprised that there's no mention of the mafia in this article; it seems as though it is a major issue (I assume there are more incidents than just the garbage one).
Would there be a problem with creating the Naples waste management issue article and simply copy/paste the above text? A bad article is better than no article (as far as I know) and I feel this issue should be mentionned somewhere. M.nelson (talk) 02:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Note that WP:Recentism is not an official policy or guideline of Wikipedia, and I think that most people by now would expect to find references to the waste management issue and other problems, in the main article. Nevertheless, I doubt that putting a short but very emphatic sentence like The city is everywhere in the world synonymous with organized crime and other widespread problems in the introduction is an appropriate solution. Maybe a "Crime and other problems" subsection in the Society section would be better, with "see also" references to Camorra and/or to an article dedicated to the recent waste issues. fudo (questions?) 15:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
So now recent starts before the 90's? Anyway I came to this article precisely to look for some more information on this subject and I was surprised to see no mention of it on Wikipedia at all. I personally don't care if the issue is recent or not, it is still a problem of epic proportions. Garbage not collected for months... in a modern-day city. This is not some obscure factoid that will blow over after a solution is reached, this will be remembered for long after. And because it has its roots in the socio-economic situation of the city, and can be used to illustrate those, it would make for an excellent addition to the article. Let's add it back. Shinobu (talk) 16:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I did the same. I came to this article precisely to find info on this subject. I find myself going more and more to the "discussion" pages on Wikipedia now because the useful information I want is actually placed there and not in the main page. I find it very strange that people choose not to include information in an encyclopedia whose tagline talks about "the sum of all human knowledge". I've submitted the article for creation. --84.151.209.252 (talk) 07:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I think the idea that this section can be considered WP:Recentism is highly questionable. According to a BBC News article from January 2008, "Rubbish collection is a perennial problem which has plagued Naples and its politicians for some 15 years." Now if that's correct, but if this section is still Recentism despite this, then, by that reasoning, the List of current child actors from the United States should be deleted on the grounds of Recentism too, since a lot of those actors are less than 15 years old, and therefore younger than the "recent" Naples waste problem. 85.210.70.181 (talk) 08:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

See the italian article, specifically this it:Napoli#Problemi della citt.C3.A0. There is a section on the Camorra family and on the garbage problem. These are also both discussed in great detail in the Spanish (es:Nápoles#Camorra y degradaci.C3.B3n urbana) article, which is at featured status. I'm no Italian, and don't know anything about the issues, but I figure that this gives us the green light to start a section in the English language article. Based on this, I have replaced the initially removed text. M.nelson (talk) 03:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Government section needed

This should be standard in a city article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.17.58 (talk) 12:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neapolitan pizza

Oregano is not an ingredient of pizza Margherita, as can be verified on the cited reference, as well as on this official document. It is, together with tomato, garlic and olive oil, an ingredient of pizza Marinara, the other traditional Neapolitan pizza. See also the relevant italian article. fudo (questions?) 12:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Omertà in Wikipedia

I had to see that unfotunately, looks like some Mafia members are probably controlling this Wikipedia article as nothing is mentioned here in the incipit of the problems of the city that are enormeous. Everybody and mean really everybody knows it, so it's critical in Wikipedia to have mention of it. It's really incredible. This is deliberate continuous disinformation. And if you look in the history you will see that in the last months many people tried to say something about it and it was always systematically deleted. Wikipedia, the mafia-controlled encyclopedia? --78.54.67.192 (talk) 12:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The article already contains a link to Camorra. If you think the Camorra is more pervasive in Napolitan life than you would think judging by the article, you can always fix it, or dicuss it here. Shinobu (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I think 78.54.67.192 seems to be a troll and an uneducated one at that. First of all the Mafia is from Sicily, as Shinobu rightly pointed out Camorra is from Naples. Second of all, Mr. 78.54.67.192... I suggest you take a look around Wikipedia, why are the Russian Mafia not dedicated mention in the intro of Russia? Why are the numerous white nationalist neo-nazi gangs not given a mention in the intro of the United States article? Why are MS 13 not mentioned in the intro of every country in the Americas? Why is Yakuza not mentioned in the intro of Japan? When we have sections dedicated to those things, then we can talk on this one. In any case, the Camorra are already mention... I notice the IP of this person seems to be Germany, the same as the guy who came earlier this month with his unintelligent view of Naples. In the Italian Unification section, if Heir 78.54.67.192 can read, he would see that it says already.
Naples still has some issues, however: high unemployment and landfill management problems, the latter of which has been attributed to the Camorra by the media, a loose confederation of organised crime networks.[38]
Clearly nothing is "covered up" or left out. Its given due weight and directly mentioned. - Gennarous (talk) 03:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)