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Contents 1 Naples the capital of south Italy 2 What is this (above)? 3 Postcodes? 4 The landmarks template 5 that's life, pal 6 Pics 7 skyline 8 demographics 9 transportation map 10 diaspora 11 deleted "Gulf of Naples" 12 Mafia 13 Running behind? 14 Famous Neapolitans 15 what's up with the picture on top? 16 climate table 17 The term Neapolitan 18 language 19 Neapolis or Neopolis? 20 Food and Drink 21 motto and nicknames 22 Crime in Naples 23 Contradictions in Demographics section 24 Which Kragujevac is a partner city?

Naples the capital of south Italy

Naples is the largest city of southern Italy. Naples and its suburbs has around 3 million people living there.

Naples is a city rich in traditions, art and history. It has its own language, called "Napoletano". Napoletano is actually mistermed a "dialect" of Italian when in fact Napoletano, as well as other so-called "dialects" such as Siciliano and Veneto, along with Italian itself, are all sister languages descending from Latin.

This city has its origins as a Greek colony and, along with a large part of southern Italy, was part of the Greek based culture of Magna Grecia. It quickly became an important city in the Mediterranean.

Naples was taken over by the Roman Empire and was called "Nea Polis" (Which in Latin means new city). In addition, citizens from Naples are called "Partenopei". They are called Partenopei because a siren died in the port of Naples.

Between 1284 1816, The "Regno delle due sicilie" (Kingdom of the Two Sicilies) was created, dominated by the Spanish.

Naples was controlled by rulers from different countries until Italian Unification in 1860, when it was integrated into the new Italian state. The major influences on this city have been from Greek, Arabic and Spanish cultures, and they have left their mark on the traditions and culture of the city.

Naples is a city rich in music, art and traditional food, and has dominated in Italy and all over the world.

One of the most important traditions in Italy is "Christmas". Every year people prepare a "Presepe" for their house or church. A presepe is a nativity crib of the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. There is a competition around the city for the best one.

Other attractions of the city are: Pompeii from the Roman Empire, the Amalfi Coast and Sorrento. There is also a variety of museums, art gallery, and theatres.

The opening of the funicular railway to Vesuvius was the occasion for the writing of the famous song "Funiculì Funiculà", one more song in the centuries long tradition of Neapolitan songs. Other Neapolitan songs are also famous outside of Italy, for example "'O Sole Mio", "Santa Lucia" and "Torna a Surriento".

Another tradition of Naples is the food.There are so many dishes which have become national and international ones. The most popular are: pizza, pasta, fish stew, ice cream and the traditional food of Naples, witch is based on meat, fish,and vegetarian food. In addition there is a good selection of wines, the most noted are: Lacrima Cristi, Greco di Tufo, Fiano di Avellino.

In conclusion, Naples is a hospitable city, providing entertainment for individuals of all ages, who can find relaxation and excitement and who can enjoy the architecture and the unique style of the city!

What is this (above)?

What is the point of the above item? It contains errors in fact--or at least oversimplifications-- and has stylistic problems, apparently a rush translation job. ("...They are called Partenopei because a siren died in the port of Naples..." ?? They are called Parthenopeans because Parthenope was a siren in Greek mythology who is said to have washed ashore on the small isle of Megaride after throwing herself into the sea when her singing failed to enchant Ulysses.) It isn't really "talk" about the main article. Just wondering. Jeffmatt 03:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Postcodes?

Is it really encyclopedic to have a list of postcodes for Naples? None of the links in that section even resolve to anything. If no one objects, I'm going to remove this section. —Cleared as filed. 05:01, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

The landmarks template

I inserted the landmarks template in the body of the main article while I work on filling in at least some of the main empty slots. This means that there is redudancy between the landmarks as listed in that subsection and the template. I don't know what to do about that except leave it as is for a while until the slots have been filled and then eliminate one or the other. Jeffmatt 03:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved the reference to the band Spaccanapoli. It was an ad, obviously put in by someone in the group. I renamed it Spaccanapoli (band). (It now seems to have disappeared.) The main reference Spaccanapoli now leads to a short description of the street, as it should. Jeffmatt 03:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I did away with redundant entries between the lists and the landmarks bar.Jeffmatt 07:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Changed my mind. The nav bar is ugly on the page. I replaced all the items in the lists. Little by little, I'll do the ones that need doing. The nav bar, of course, remains at the bottom of the individual items once you go to the page. Jeffmatt 07:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Still filling in the landmarks. I'll add photos later. Jeffmatt 08:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

that's life, pal

Working on it, working on it. Wikipedia is an ongoing collective effort. I just started a section on demographics. All help is appreciated. Jeffmatt 15:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Pics

Napoli has an amazing skyline now. There are many glass towers and office buildings that could match up to many North AMerican cities. We should include more colourful pics to liven up the page including some pics of the city's massive skyscrapers.

skyline

Started on that. See Centro Direzionale. Jeffmatt 05:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

demographics

To 24.36.36.67. Thanks for straightening out the demographics a bit. I realize I had too much stuff about the province of Naples in there. If you get a user name, we could commicate on our talk pages. Jeffmatt 05:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

transportation map

What's up there now is useless, I'm afraid. We need some high-quality copyright-free graphics! What else is new. Jeffmatt 14:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

diaspora

Forgot to log in. New paragraph and citation in the "diaspora" section (identified by IP number) are mine. Sorry. Jeffmatt 15:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

deleted "Gulf of Naples"

The section was redundant, having been covered in the "Around Naples" section. There was no text--just a list of links that already exist in the other section. Jeffmatt 10:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Mafia

Shouldn't the recent mob war that has pretty much "engulfed" this city, be on the page? Or at least mentioned???? Is wikipedia running behind a few years or something? [1][2]Superdude99 20:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is Mafia in Naples, indeed there is something which looks similar but which is rather different, a part of it is called Camorra or even something else like O' sistema (local dialect) by some of the napolitans. 13 November 2006.

I live in Naples, here is born the Camorra, the local Mafia System that have an economy much bigger than the legal one. I'm talking of Billions..it should me mentioned. Reference on the book "GOMORRA" by Saviano. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.14.44 (talk) 23:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Running behind?

Of course we're running behind! We all have real jobs. Be a real super dude and write an article on it. Good luck! Seriously, where would it go on this page? We'd need a subsection called, perhaps, "Social Problems" (or something like that) with a number of subheadings--unemployment, organized crime, etc--and then a link to respective main articles. I see there is an article at Camorra--a brief item about organized crime. That might be a start: i.e. a "social problems" section with a first link to that item. What do you think? But since the episodes you mention are recent and ongoing, someone might try putting a shorter item up on the "news" section of the main page. I haven't got the time right now. Jeffmatt 08:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Famous Neapolitans

It would be nice if people would stop loading their own names, or the names of their friends, into "Famous Neapolitans"--out of alphabetical order--and waiting for someone else to do all the research. At least start a stub!Jeffmatt 08:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Al Capone is american of italian (neapolitan) origin, but he isn't neapolitan! User:SpeDIt 0:34, 11 february 2007 (CET)

what's up with the picture on top?

• It looks out of place. JuJube 02:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

climate table

I dropped down the climate table at the top so it no longer bleeds over into the info box on the right. That leaves a lot of white space, but it's better than it was. Jeffmatt 18:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

The term Neapolitan

I have seen this term applied to not just people specifically from Naples, but the Province of Naples too. Is this correct useage? For example someone from Pozzuoli is a Neapolitan too? - The Daddy 15:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

language

Tthe article currently states: "Neapolitan-Calabrese is the geographically most diffuse Italian language and the Neapolitan dialect ('o napulitano) spoken in Naples is often mistaken with the language itself". These are bold assertions that need explanation and/ or a source. Mariokempes 00:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Neapolis or Neopolis?

I've seen the old name spelled "Neopolis" which means "new city" in Greek. Here, it's spelled with an "a". Correct or what?

Food and Drink

The food and drink section is now unnecessarily long. I would find it rude if someone reverted my own contributions, so I'm going to kindly request that the recent additions by FBWiki be moved to the article Italian food and the current section reduced to its former length. Sicilianmandolin 11:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

In fact I removed much of it. There were numerous redundancies, typos, errors etc. Much infos can be found in separate articles for which links are present. --Attilios 11:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

motto and nicknames

for the article on Roma they have the motto of 'Senatus Populusque Romanus', for this one would 'vedi Napoli e poi muori' be the Neapolitan motto? its the one ive heard most. also as roma has 'The Eternal City' would Napoli have 'Partenope'?--SalvoCalcio 04:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Crime in Naples

I've heard many stories of crime targeting tourists in Naples as well as other criminal organizations. Is there someone who's willing to write a section on this? I can't because I've never been to Naples.Wai Hong 09:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I live here, Naples is the city with the most high crime perception in Italy. It should be mentioned. Last year died over 200 people in gunfights,only in the city. It's unfair to not mention theese facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.14.44 (talk) 23:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, some people talk italian?? however.. i am wondering.. because nobody write here that naples has got most buildings religious in the world.. i think it is a very important factor!! thanks --87.1.15.110 16:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Contradictions in Demographics section

I've reorganized the Naples article a little. I noticed two contradicting figures regarding the number of immigrants in Naples. Does anyone know an accurate number of immigrants in Naples?Wai Hong 14:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Which Kragujevac is a partner city?

The link in the partner cities section claims that Kragujevac, Serbia is a partner city, but the flag next to its name is Ukrainian. On the site used as a reference, it's really mentioned as Kragujevac, Ukraine, and Naples is not mentioned as partner city at the Kragujevac article, but I can't find anything about Kragujevac, Ukraine. So, which one is it?--Vitriden (talk) 00:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well the official website says "COMUNE DI KRAGUJEVAC (Ucraina)" which means basically City of Kragujevc (Ukraine), but I cannot find where that city for Ukraine is? It's confusing. - Animagentile (talk) 02:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe that is a mistake. Obviously, there is no larger city named Kragujevac in Ukraine, and I sincerely doubt that city of Naples would become partner city with a village. Therefore, I assume this is Kragujevac, Serbia, and I've made the change, in an honest belief I'm not making a mistake.--Vitriden (talk) 12:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)