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[edit] Semi-Protection

Due to recent vandalism by unknown IP addresses. I suggest that the Hot Chocolate page should be semi-protected under the vandalism policy. A Raider Like Indiana 01:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

Is this a copyright violation. Much of it is lifted from the first external link. Rmhermen 04:21, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

I re-worded some parts of the article to make it more distinct. I also included a more explicit reference to the site's author.
Acegikmo1 05:50, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] image

can we find a better image? that image has so much whipped cream in it, you can't exactly tell that it is hot chocolate. Kingturtle 03:37, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have uploaded an image called Image:White hot chocolate.JPG that I think may be good to have under Place in modern society. If anyone thinks its relivent? The recipe for it is at here.--Hapenstance 14:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marshmallow

Why are marshmallows placed into hot chocolates sometimes? I find that it makes no difference to the taste, and the only evidence that is was there is a white layer of liquid on top of the drink. Also, is the marshmallow supposed to melt so quickly? If so, why? Hugh Jass 03:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Marshmallows add extra sugar. Beau99 21:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
It may not change the taste of the actual hot chocolate, but I for one like the marshmallows themselves when they're all gooey from being partially melted. Kinda like the cherry on top of an ice-cream sundae. It doesn't change the flavor of the ice-cream (except maybe for the tiny bit it touched), but it's yummy when you pluck it off and eat it! --Icarus 05:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
So could we have something on the history of adding marshmallows to hot chocolate? Because, to be honest, I'd never even heard of it until I read Calvin and Hobbes comics. I mean, why is it so common in America whereas the very idea, here in Europe, is strange? Crazy Eddy 20:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hot chocolate as coffee?

I once had a teacher that drakn hot chocolate instead of coffee to stay awake. Can hot chocolate have enough power to keep someone aeake for a day? — Hurricane Devon ( Talk ) 12:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Probably not, one site a found listed 8 mg of caffeine in a cup of hot chocolate made from powdered mix (and a chocolate bar at 30 mg). A regular cup of coffee contains about 100 mg or the same amount as a caffeine pill. Rmhermen 18:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I've removed the link Chocolate Fountain Hire, please note external links are to cross reference facts and point people towards authority sources.

[edit] Hot chocolate vs. Hot Cocoa

In this article it is stated that some may make the distinction between based on whether the drink is instant (cocoa) or made from bar chocolate (hot chocolate). I wanted to know how verifiable this is, especially because different places have different names for things. I have always understood that hot chocolate is made from water (and thus includes all "instant" varieties as well as the original european version which was made with water) while hot cocoa is made with milk. Curious to know if others agree with changing the statements made in the article to be more general. strideranne 19:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Even if some do make your distinction, that doesn't mean that other don't make the distinction already noted in the article, which seems more far common. Note packages of instant "hot cocoa" and quotes like this "In the '50s, they added sugar and cocoa to their dry mixes and developed one of the first full-flavored dry cocoa mixes. Swiss Miss..." from the ConAgra site. Rmhermen 14:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
On the page you mention, Swiss Miss is self described as "America's preferred brand of hot chocolate." The desription you have included is one that refers to the addition of actual cocoa powder and does not refer to the actual product. While doing google searches on various combinations of keywords, these were my results. Hot Cocoa - lots of homemade recipes using cocoa or bar chocolate. Hot Chocolate - much more varied but i noticed more commercial brand mentioned as well as Mexican hot chocolate which i think is closer to the original recipe. I also looked at labels of a bunch of different commercial brands, most are advertised as hot chocolate. Also wondering if the phenomenon is regional, Im from NY but now live in Montreal, so maybe it is an east coast thing. strideranne 19:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cadbury's Drinking Chocolate

I removed the following excerpt:

Cadbury's Drinking Chocolate is probably the best known brand of hot chocolate, and as a result some people refer to hot chocolate as "drinking chocolate".

...because it mentions two facts that are unsubstantiated and, in the latter case, quite dubious. It's likely the other way around, unless a cited source shows otherwise. CGameProgrammer 18:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Good call. "Drinking chocolate", as far as I know, is an Italian thing not a Cadbury's thing, and is significantly different from what most people call "hot chocolate". — Saxifrage ✎ 00:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
"Drinking Chocolate" is without a doubt a Cadbury's thing, regardless of any Italian connection. The brand has been around for a very long time. But the edit is probably for the best, because it's certainly true that there's no proof of origin for the phrase, and it's clearly not just used by Cadbury's. On the other hand, simply editing out "drinking chocolate" altogether is not a great fix, because currently the article doesn't make any reference to "drinking chocolate". That was my aim in adding it in the first place. Perhaps it should be added to the previous section, where it could be noted as a common homonym for hot chocolate. It seems likely that historically it came about as a way of distinguishing chocolate bars from chocolate drinks, but I haven't been able to find any evidence to confirm this. Thorf 14:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
That's the thing, it seems to have different meanings depending on where you are. Obviously, where you are drinking chocolate is a Cadbury's brand name for hot chocolate. Where I come from I've never heard of that stuff, and "drinking chocolate" is a dense, intensely sweet and rich drink that comes in 1 cup doses so that you don't overdo it. Perhaps it means other things elsewhere. If it's going to be reinserted into the article, the fact that it has different meanings in different places is probably the thing to focus on for lack of any fixed definition to focus on. Some citations would be useful for that too. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Re-reading the article just now, I see that in fact "drinking chocolate" is mentioned quite a few times. I don't see how I could have missed it, really. In any case, I would definitely be in favour of adding a paragraph about the different meanings for "drinking chocolate". It seems that all three terms (hot chocolate, cocoa, drinking chocolate) have rather different meanings depending on area, and it would be nice to clarify this. Of course, it would have to be a group effort, because I doubt that any one person knows all the variations. Thorf 10:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It shouldn't actually be that hard for one or two people. If we have a section with sources for two meanings, we don't need to worry about getting all the rest because people will inevitably add them when they read the article. The trouble will be getting sources for these additions, but that's work that can be done later. :) — Saxifrage ✎ 17:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
According to Brett Moore the difference is that drinking chocolate is made from actual chocolate while hot cocoa is made from cocoa powder. I think someone more resourceful could find additional sources to back this up. I'm ASSUMING Cadbury's "drinking chocolate" is actually hot cocoa. I personally think that if drinking chocolate is something different it should technically have its own page. However, I think the page would probably end up being a stub and thus combined with the hot chocolate page. Bgramkow (talk) 04:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Whipped cream?

Isn't it common to top the chocolate with some whipped cream? or is it just me? eitherway, the article doesn't mention it. -- Frap 09:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems like I only get the choice of topping my hot chocolate with whipped cream if I go to a coffee shop. I think it's like a substitute for adding marshmallows. Or maybe it's the other way around? QueenStupid 16:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someone should add something about this into the article. -- Frap 17:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Correction For This Page

The page says something about the "McDonalds" being the first to use hot chocolate, which is obviously vandalism. A much older page uses the "Olmecs" in its place. I don't actually know if this is truly correct either but I can't fix it anyway because of the semi-protection. Someone who can fix it should. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.145.153.92 (talk • contribs).

Done. Thanks for pointing it out. Femto 11:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hot chocolate in Argentina

In Argentina and Uruguay, what you would call hot chocolate (and in Belgium "warme chocolade" or "chocolat chaud") we call it a "submarine". When you go to a bar or cafe and you ask for a submarine, you get a tall jar or glass of hot milk, and a bar of chocolate that you sink into the milk youself - thus, a submarine (and then steer with a long spoon, and add sugar as you like it). Dunno if in the rest of latin america such concept exists. --200.70.117.22 05:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to history section

This article sounds a bit repetitive, so I'm going to be bold and do some major edits. Also, I think some material can be included from the history of chocolate article, since chocolate was a drink for most of its life. -Flutefreek 19:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I did a major revision. I incorporated some material from the history of chocolate article, the cacao article, and a few outside sources. It seems a lot more coherent to me. Feel free to improve it as you see fit.Flutefreek 21:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-oxidants

the Chocolate#Potential_health_benefits_and_risks page has some (cited) mentions of chocolate "containing more anti-oxidants". Fdskjs 10:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name of the drink / article

I think its poor choice to have "HOT" in the name, as it is in fact regulary served both boiling hot and ICE COLD (yes absolutely same drink, just the temperature changes). In fact proper and correct name would be simply as "cocoa". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.248.159.240 (talk) 10:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The title again

It appears that the only title difference between this and the music group is capitals. That should be fixed

216.57.220.248 (talk) 00:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frozen Hot Chocolate

I think there should be a section here related to Frozen Hot Chocolate. If not, Frozen Hot Chocolate should be created as a seperated page. Serendipity 3 in New York and Santa's Candy Castle in Santa Claus, Indiana are two of the best known sellers of this speciality -- but many, many others exist. Frozen Hot Chocolate has become so popular as to warrant inclusion somewhere in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.107.132 (talk) 14:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Improves Sleep?

This sounds like marketing to me. How could something as caffeine-laden as chocolate improve sleep? I think that comment should be removed until it has a proper citation. Venice (talk) 16:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hot chocolate/drinking chocolate/cocoa

I was trying to find an article on cocoa (the traditional bedtime drink) and arrived here. I would just like to say that I have never heard cocoa (the drink) called "hot cocoa", likewise, hot chocolate and drinking chocolate are the same as each other but not the same as cocoa, in the UK at least. DuncanHill (talk) 06:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of 'hot cocoa'?

I'm wondering if the drink made of hot milk and PURE cocoa powder, which you can sweeten with sugar to taste, qualifies as 'hot cocoa'. It seems to be the same as the drink that's just called 'cocoa' in the UK. But what's it called in other English speaking countries? The following sentence seems to imply that 'hot cocoa' is only the instant form of the cocoa drink;

"Hot cocoa is made from a powdered mix of cocoa, sugar and thickeners, without cocoa butter."

BTW, in the Netherlands both the instant form (e.g. Nesquick) and the drink made with pure cocoa powder (e.g. Droste) are called hot/warm chocolate milk (provided that heated milk/water is used). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.46.8 (talk) 12:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)