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[edit] King of England; Lord of Korea and Japan?

The caption for the first picture has been changed to "King of England; Lord of Korea and Japan". Surely this is a mistake (or vandalism)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.103.159 (talk) 22:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shakespeare's Play

There's no mention of the Bard's The Famous History of the Life of King Henry the Eighth, yet there's a section for "In Popular Culture"? Criminal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.97.7 (talk) 01:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mistresses

I suspect some material from The Other Boleyn Girl is creeping into this article. We should probably get some sources for the information on, say, Mary Boleyn's uncle trying to push her on the king. That at least is probably not true. 12.144.50.194 (talk) 17:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah and Mary (Not Madge as is popularly believed) Shelton was his mistress, she doesn't get a mention! Chloe2kaii7 (talk) 12:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Is it not confirmed that Anne Stafford, the sister of the 3rd Duke of Buckingham, was Henry's mistress early in his reign? I thought this caused the famous quarrel between Henry and the Duke. 18.173.1.125 (talk) 15:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, according to Chapuys one of the Stafford sisters, probably Anne was his mistress in 1510. It is in the Calendar of State Papers, Spanish and is cited on p.123, Henry VIII: King and Court, Alison Weir. Boleyn (talk) 16:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Illegitimate Children

What happened to his illegitimete children birthed by Mary Boleyn? They are mentioned nowhere in this article.

Do not forget that it is well known that King Henry (Tudor) VIII had two children with his mistress of the time, Mary Boleyn.Or am I simply wrong??

(I am a big believer in the whole Boleyn period of time).

~sweetlife31~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetlife31 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

They are mentioned in the 'Marriage and Issue' section and the 'Mistresses' section. However, Henry never acknowledged Henry and Catherine Carey as his children and we only have one recorded rumour from the time that Henry Carey was the King's son, and no recorded rumours about Catherine Carey. The one contemporary we know of who questioned Henry Carey's paternity alleged many things about Henry VIII's love life that are unlikely to be true. From my research, I think it is unlikely that the Carey children were Henry's. I think if they had been Henry's, he would probably have acknowledged them as he did Henry Fitzroy. Unfortunately, the popularity of 'The Other Boleyn Girl' has led many to think that this is a definite fact. However, we cannot now know. I don't think they deserve any more of a mention than they receive.Boleyn (talk) 16:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

True! Excuse my naivity, however I am not a historian so my facts tend to stick to what I read!! SO once again, I excuse myself! Sweetlife31 (talk) 10:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It can be difficult. I'm a historian but love historical fiction - it's sometimes difficult to remember whether I read some information in one of the many great fiction books based on Henry VIII's court or in a reliable source. Boleyn (talk) 16:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Or in a popular biography, a mixture of the two. qp10qp (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't much like the way the article deals with this question—by listing the Carey children as Henry's but noting that some historians question it (oddly, the listing is not referenced but the questioning is—though only to popular historian Weir). It should be the other way round. Rather than treat this as fact, the best historians merely note Hales's unreliable rumour-mongering and the view of someone like Anthony Hoskins (see Scarisbrick, Bernard). It remains only a possibility, therefore–literally a footnote in history (as it should be on our page, in my opinion). William Carey acknowledged the children as his own; realistically, that leaves historians with little scope to prove otherwise. The adult Henry Carey bore no resemblance to Henry, though his thin-faced looks weren't dissimilar to Elizabeth's, which may have been the Boleyn in him. qp10qp (talk) 12:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be best to remove Catherine and Henry Carey from the table detailing Henry's offspring altogether and, instead, to add a short paragraph after the table, saying that while some historians (naming them) believe that one or both of them might have been Henry's children, Henry never acknowledged them as his and other historians (names, again) dispute that he fathered them, or something along those lines.193.95.162.29 (talk) 11:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

A brief sentence there might be useful in place of the listing. One could put the names of historians in the ref.qp10qp (talk) 14:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please correct date of coronation on sidebar.

Coronation of King Henvry VIII occured on the 24th of June 1509 as stated in the article text and misstated on the sidebar text (or whatever one calls the info box to the right of the article...) where it is stated as a day earlier: the 23rd of June 1509. --Augustusxxx (talk) 08:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Corrected; well spotted. (The infernal thing you refer to is called an "infobox": yuk!) qp10qp (talk) 11:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mary I.

Maybe i've failed to read it correctly, but within the section covering 1509 - 1525, there is no reference to the birth of Mary I. She is first mentioned in the section about Anne Boleyn. As she was Henrys first child and did later become Queen, i feel this should be rectified. 82.36.173.55 (talk) 13:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Please do add it in. This is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. qp10qp (talk) 15:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Daughters' Titles

Just a quick point about the paragraph below;

"Henry married his last wife, the wealthy widow Catherine Parr, in 1543. She argued with Henry over religion; she was a reformer, but Henry remained a conservative. This behaviour nearly proved her undoing, but she saved herself by a show of submissiveness. She helped reconcile Henry with his first two daughters, the Princess Mary and the Lady Elizabeth. In 1544, an Act of Parliament put the daughters back in the line of succession after Edward, Prince of Wales, though they were still deemed illegitimate."

Is there a particular reason that Mary is referred to as ‘Princess’ and Elizabeth as ‘Lady’? By that point, both daughters were illegitimate and had been deprived of their titles as princesses and they are also referred to as ‘Lady’ in the text of the Act of Succession. Wouldn’t it be more accurate to refer to them both as ‘Lady’? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.42.32 (talk) 10:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Even better, just call them Mary and Elizabeth. qp10qp (talk) 14:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)