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Updated DYK query On 13 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Christopher Merret, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 00:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

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Re:Country stubs -> Project assessments

Hi, Using AutoWikiBrowser and Kingboyk's Plugin, i am able to do automated assessments using my bot, yes.

The "class=stub" can be done from either building a list from a category of "X article stubs", or what transcludes certain templates.

Any other class, is really only done in a semi-automated fashion, using the same tools. However, your way of detecting it as a "start" class, is interesting...

If you want me to do some blanket stub tagging (based on a category/template transclusion), if you let me know, and i can certainly work on it for you

—Reedy Boy 16:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Wine_legs.jpg

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:Wine_legs.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Terrorism

As a bit of context, if you didn't notice, SwatJester is pretty much the only person at that Wikiproject anymore, refusing to join the rest of participants at WP:T. I would strongly appreciate if you would use the WP:T tag, and if you wish to ask for assistance on a terrorism-related subject, I heartily recommend WP:T. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 22:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Did SatyrBot ever run for you?

Did I ever run SatyrBot on WP:Italy or WP:Wine for you? Looking over my logs, I don't see any runs. I see that you mentioned having the bot run on the Italy page, with resounding silence :) Was there any discussion within WP:Wine?

On that note, you've given me the top category for the projects, I assume. I can run the bot on that cat and one level down, but you may want to consider putting together a real category list. For example, WP:Alabama has the list Wikipedia:WikiProject Alabama/Categories. The reasoning is explained on the User:SatyrBot/WikiProject_Services page.

Please respond on User talk:SatyrBot/WikiProject new pages? Thanks! -- SatyrBot (talk) 15:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Località of Italy

I placed a category redirect on Category:Localita of Italy so it directs to Category:Località of Italy. Is that what you were trying to do? There is a bot that moves articles out of the redirected categories when they get misplaced there, so you don't have to continually check. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Zinfandel POV tag

Hi, would you please review/edit/comment on User:Amatulic/drafts, which is my suggested replacement of the POV-tagged section in the Zinfandel article? I re-wrote it to state subjective views as opinions rather than facts, and converted the list to prose descriptions of only notable regions. If you find it acceptable (feel free to edit), then we can put it in the Zinfandel article and remove the POV tag I placed there. Thanks. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

re: Name block on it.wiki

Y Done Welcome to it.wiki and apologies for the inconvenience. --Brownout (msg) 18:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Mathi

Not a stub, exactly—I wonder how you will rate it…. —Ian Spackman (talk) 23:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh heh - no sign of wikification and just small enough to escape an automatic Start on pure size grounds, :-) but it does make you wonder a bit about some people. I've had a bit of fun with my Mark II bot to pre-convert infoboxes, trying to minimise the amount of human intervention. The date part is not quite idiot proof but pretty good now - it can cope with translating things like "third Sunday in July" and I'm now working on getting a reasonable hit rate on the saints - although those idiots can be fiendishly ingenious.....
Good work on the fraz cats by the way, it needed doing. One thing that needs a bit of sitting down to do, is to make sure that all the comuni in particular are tagged with the appropriate comune cat. I've not looked in detail but from memory eg the Chieti cat had 104 members, when comuni.it lists 108 in Chieti, that kind of thing. If we can get them all tidied into the cats, then we can get Satyrbot or similar to assign them to the Project, and then we'll have a fresh lot of articles to sort out. But for now I'm holding off Satyr until we've got the current lot cracked, it would be nice to get the Project's Unassesseds and comuni-without-infoboxes down to zero before starting on a whole load of new ones, good for morale anyhow. At current rate of progress, I'll have my new infobox helper ready some time next week I guess - and in the meantime I've a whole load of cyclist articles to assess and infobox for when brain death sets in.... ;-/ FlagSteward (talk) 00:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
What I enjoyed about Mathi most was that there had been quite a few edits—including one marked copy-edit, or clean-up after it had embarked on its double life! Impressed by the sound of your info-box pre-conversion bot, I must say. Well I thought that there ought to be some frazioni cats so that those new articles that spring up can be slotted into place and not get lost. But I am actually not at all keen on using the word on the English wikipedia. The thing is that the Italians mostly use it the loose sense, in which case we can translate as ‘village’, ‘place’, ‘suburb’, ‘quarter’, etc. as appropriate to the place. Judging from their frazioni & località project talk page it is pretty hard to pin down in practice which of the 60,000 odd places concerned is ‘formally’ a frazione and which is not. There is no known official list. (Nor, by the way, does there seem to be an official list of città.) In theory each commune’s statute should its frazioni: but they don’t always, and when they do they are often ambiguous. And the few statuti I’ve looked at have listed them simply as being ‘historically recognised’ without specifying any particular administrative status. I think that most of the sub-commune level local authority stuff in recent years has been on a different basis: all those rioni and quartieri and so-forth. Istat, too, work on a diferent basis. Ah well. Cheers, Ian Spackman (talk) 01:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

"Accadia" page

Hi FlagSteward,

I was just looking at the Wikipedia page for "Accadia," and I noticed that you added a lot of information. I wanted to thank you, because my ancestors are from this little town and I have been fruitlessly searching for any information on this town for quite a while before thinking of Wikipedia. I have to ask though, because I'm bursting with curiousity, how did you know so much about this little town in Italy? If you remember, do you think you could send me links to the sources where you found this data?

Thank you again and I'm sorry to bother you, Tom Morrisey tmorrisey@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmorrisey (talk • contribs) 03:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Accadia

My grandmother's going to cry tears of joy when I show her the Accadia page on the Italian wikipedia, I can't believe I never thought of checking there for information. Thank you again so much, in return for helping me out I will see what I can do about translating some of the article this weekend.

Thanks again! Tmorrisey (talk) 15:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Cardinal box

Hi. To be honest I forget the reason (sic). It may have been a hangover from a box for another topic that I copied but it is such a long time ago I cannot remember. (It may also perhaps refer to any special reason for appointment. For example the archbishop of Dublin (and likely future cardinal, or further) Diarmuid Martin, was appointed to clean up the mess over the incompetent handling of clerical sex abuse cases by his predecessor, Cardinal Connell. That is just a rough guess. (Alternatively someone may changed 'reason' to 'reason for exit' but left 'reason' in in error.) I honestly cannot remember.

Sorry I cannot be of more help. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 20:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

New pages in it.wiki

If the new page about a municipal subdivision can have just one line of informations, you should think about making a redirect instead, as I did in this case. Thanks. MM on it.wiki 84.253.136.132 (talk) 06:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I answered here. 84.253.136.132 (talk) 17:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I noted too your one line (or babelfish-lenghthened) stubs about Italian fractions and my first reaction was to ask for immediate deletion. Later on, I learned that you aren't Italian speaking, so I can understand why such articles were so deceiving. I appreciate your efforts... anyway, they ARE deceiving, until someone works them out in order to get more satisfying pages. I feel that you'd better surrender and recognize that you, alone, cannot write all these pages in it.wiki (I'd like to write many things in en.wiki too, but I usually abstain since I must acknowdlege that the results would be quite deceiving), and probably the most useful thing you can do is asking people in it:Discussioni progetto:Geografia/Antropica/Comuni tho help you in your project. Thank you. --Vermondo (talk) 14:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Music of Italy

Thanks for the comment on that article. I put the following comment after yours on that discussion page:

"You're probably right, but it's a tough one. I was one of the two or three main contributors to this article, which got longer and longer and finally failed the peer review for FA, in my view, because no one could agree on whether to deal with "Italy" as a relatively new nation state (in the Music of (nation) series, or a very old cultural concept that would include all music from the Italian peninsula--ever!--(maybe even Etruscan barbershop quartets). We couldn't agree and there it sits."Jeffmatt (talk) 07:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

André Simon

Hi FlagSteward. I agree with your decision to move André Simon to André Simon (racing driver) - the wine writer does seem to be more notable. However, it might have been nice if you had updated the existing links to André Simon after moving the page. Perhaps something to consider for next time? Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 13:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

As per the instructions for moving, I fixed the double redirects and the 'big' single redirects like the one on the writer's page, but left the remaining ones to be fixed by bots "over the next few days". Let me know if that doesn't work out, but in principle if there's a bot to do something, I'd rather get on with more important things.... :-)) FlagSteward (talk) 18:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know, there are no bots that go around and fix up the links following a page move (although I'm happy to be corrected on that point - it would save me a lot of effort too!). I believe there is a bot that fixes double-redirects (like this) but not just straight links to the page. I fixed the André Simon links myself - there were only about 20. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 22:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

South African wine

Hey Flag, could you review this edit to the South African wine page. It seems to be a significant change but the current ref link is dead and so I couldn't verify for certain if the edit if legit or not. Thanks for your time! AgneCheese/Wine 04:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

André Simon (wine writer)

Updated DYK query On 30 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article André Simon (wine writer), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 11:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Traminer

Hello, FlagSteward. I noticed that you're the editor behind much of the material in the Gewürztraminer and Savagnin articles, and in particular the history and genetics material. It looks like you added the bulk of this material in August 2007, which of course is a couple of edits ago... :-) For a long time, I've thought that it's not an ideal state of affairs to have Traminer as a redirect to Savagnin, and have been considering a new Traminer article as an overview of the Traminer family of grapes, with a focus on history, genetics and the difference between the varieties/clones/versions/whatever-they-actually-are. I've started this article in my sandbox at User:Tomas e/Traminer. I'd be grateful if you could take a look at it, in particular if you think the main thrust of the article seems appropriate and understandable.

When the Traminer is finished, I plan to take away most of the material on history, genetics and related grape varieties out of the Gewürztraminer and Savagnin articles, in order to focus them on those specific varieties and varietal wines from them.

By the way, I'm somewhat sceptical to two statements that are included in the OCW article on Gewürztraminer (2006 ed, p. 313) and which you have included in Gewürztraminer and Savagnin:

  • Traminer being recorded specifically in Tramin around AD 1000. With other German-language sources mentioning that an old synonym for Räuschling being Großer Traminer, I'm curious how these varieties were differentiated and Traminer identified. For many other classical varieties such as Pinot Noir and Riesling, the earliest certain mentions and identifications are usually from the 14th and 15th centuries, so "certain" post-antiquity but pre-1300 varietal identifications must be extremely rare...
  • Red Traminer as a mutation of White Traminer. Other sources seem to say that DNA analysis show them to be extremely closely related/more or less identical, which reasonably could mean that the relationship goes either way from a genetic point of view. Perhaps this is based on the colour of "old Traminer in Tramin", in which case it could actually refer to Räuschling rather than White Traminer...

I am therefore not sure how I should treat these statements other than trying to look for additional sources - I assume that you just used OCW. Any input and comments would be appreciated. I don't have a fixed timeline when I plan to let the article go "on air". Writing it seems to generate a lot of smaller new articles, so it's keeping me busy anyway... Tomas e (talk) 19:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

{{or}}

Can you explain this edit where you mark and article as being tagged from Dec 06 on March 07? Is this a bug in your script and do you think other articles are affected?--BirgitteSB 13:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No, I wasn't using a script for that, so others won't be affected. In fact the OR tag isn't even one that's in my usual "library" of stock phrases, so I guess I must have just copied it from somewhere and forgot to change the date. FlagSteward (talk) 13:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

handling "difficult" editors

thanks for the response on the politics project talkpage

I was wondering do you have any experience of difficult editors and how to handle them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firebladed (talk • contribs) 13:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

assistance with Technocracy Movement article

if you are willing to assist with cleaning and properly sourcing the Technocracy Movement article id certainly appreciate the help, and if there is anything you think I could help with let me know and ill do what I can --Firebladed (talk) 16:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Technocracy related material

Thanks so much. This related group of information articles is besmirtched with lots of baggage from mono accounts and editors proclaiming this and that. Please sir or madam to continue to get involved in a general house cleaning thereabouts. Again perhaps the best course is to make the Technocracy movement article an article for possible deletion. Feel free to nominate it as such. Plus friend I am a wine lover and I have a small planting in middle northern Amercica. The grapes are doing well though they suffer. skip sievert (talk) 04:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hibernian

has made another personal attack on the Technocracy movement talk page. This is after your latest warning. I complained on the page. This person apparently thinks he is in some kind of personal fight with me. I am sick of being attacked by this person. skip sievert (talk) 13:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 17:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Technocracy movement

I think the edit just made by myself in combination with your last could be a very good one. If you could check my edit now just done after reading some aspects made in regard to Taylorism (Scientific managment) that would be appreciated. Thank you for adding the last reference connectors.. citations to article. Regards. skip sievert (talk) 18:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Prod removal

I'm afraid you can't restore deleted prods - it's AfD or nothing. --Dweller (talk) 19:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject templates

Hi! I was going through the list of changes to WP:PLANTS assessments and noticed a couple of your edits that added or removed the WikiProject Plants template on the talk page. One of the changes I saw added a template to a page not within our scope diff (WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening would be best for the botanical gardens) and another removed the template from a page definitely within our scope diff. If you're confused about which articles we include in our project, I'd be happy to answer further questions you have. Thanks! Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

So you know, my reasoning was that Pepperoncini does not appear to refer to a specific cultivar, it seems to be a US-English term for a range of sweet peppers, prepared by pickling. Since it's more about the processing than a specific botanical entity, it seemed one for the Food project rather than Plants, just like tinned tomatoes or whatever. On the botanic gardens front, I must have been misled by the bit on WP:PLANTS where it says "This project's scope also includes botanists and botany-related articles". If a botanic garden isn't a botany-related subject, what is? Sure it could also go under the horticulture project, but it's quite normal for articles to belong to two projects equally, botanic gardens are as much about botany as horticulture. To take an extreme example, are you seriously suggesting that Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew is not a "botany-related article" and should be removed from WP:PLANTS? FlagSteward (talk) 13:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I know very little about Pepperoncini, but the article does seem to be discussing a single cultivar, a member of a cultivar group, whether or not the cultivar taxonomy is correct in that there's an actual cultivar group, I'm not sure. I'd have to look it up, and really wouldn't know where to start with cultivated plants. If it is just a product of pickling, then yes, it should be removed and the cultivar infobox should also be removed, linking to the "parent" cultivar that is pickled to create it.
On the botanic gardens, yes, we include botany-related topics, but most botanic gardens serve on the purpose of being a showcase. Are non-research zoos included in the animal project? I believe there's been discussion about this among the WikiProject Plants members and it was decided to not include most botanic gardens and arboreta in our scope. The exception you pointed to, Kew Gardens, is because of their long history of being more than a showcase. There's so much taxonomic work done there that WP:PLANTS can't ignore it. So you can see why we consider most botanic gardens to be non-related to the study of plants (botany) and more of a pretty place to go visit or a horticultural endeavor. --Rkitko (talk) 14:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Zoos are a bit different, as the single word in English covers everything from "zoological gardens", places of serious study, to Barnum-type enterprises which might nicely described by the translation of the German name "animal gardens". The cost of keeping a couple of lions means that even "serious" places rely on people coming through the doors. Plants however are much cheaper to run :-) and a botanic garden can be funded by a university say, so they tend to be a distinct breed apart from "normal" gardens and parks. I'd profoundly disagree with your weasel-worded (and non-WP:CSB?) statement that "most" botanic gardens are purely for show - off the top of my head I can't think of any in the UK that aren't connected with a university or Kew, and that haven't been used for "serious" botany at some stage. And WP:PLANTS merely requires "botany" rather than "taxonomy", remember. I suspect the same applies to most of Europe - they were mostly set up in the early days when there was still a lot of "easy" taxonomy to be done - and even in the New World (I'm thinking Australia in particular) they may have been set up initially as a source of germplasm from Europe, but then made important contributions to understanding the native fauna. In fact, in the UK it goes the other way - there's quite a lot of "botany" happening outside the formal settings of the few botanic gardens, many of the National Collections of garden genera are in private gardens for instance, and there's a couple of examples of some private collections attaining such importance that they end up in some kind of "Big Botany" structure. To take a different example - not every university in the Universities Project can be a Harvard, some are almost exclusively teaching organisations, but just being called a "university" stands for something, it distinguishes them from 10,000's of other educational establishments. Since botanic gardens represent less than 0.1% of all public "gardens", I'd say that tag is a meaningful indication that some kind of botany has gone/goes on there, and that the onus should be to prove that it doesn't, rather than the other way round. BTW - if you're talking about this discussion, I'd say that's far from a consensus. Perhaps continue over there? FlagSteward (talk) 15:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I've been busy with work and had to do an OS reinstall on my laptop. I love that fresh new OS smell. Anyway, yes, let's continue this conversation over at the WP:PLANTS assessment talk page. I'll also leave a general note on the main WP:PLANTS talk page that we're discussing the scope of the project since I don't think many members have that on their watchlist. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Catania

Hi. Thanks for your comments. I have replied to them in the Catania discussion page. Cheers, Drunkpiper (talk) 14:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)